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NASA's Kepler Discovers 11 Systems Hosting 26 Planets
An anonymous reader writes "NASA's Kepler mission has discovered 11 new planetary systems hosting 26 confirmed planets. These discoveries nearly double the number of verified planets and triple the number of stars known to have more than one planet that transits, or passes in front of, the star. Such systems will help astronomers better understand how planets form."
Christianity and belief in life outside of Earth are not mutually exclusive.
Really? We already know there are Starbucks, Strip Clubs and Walmarts on these planets? I'm impressed with Kepler's resolution!
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http://setilive.org/ focuses on Kepler planets, and it's much more interactive than the old SETI@home
I say we apply Drake's to this. If we can do it with extraterrestrial life on other planets, we can do it with anything. I've done it with the question, "How many cell phones are currently playing the ringtone 'Combination Pizza Hut and Taco Bell' by Das Racist right now?" Any-thing.
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As much as I'm not one to defend any religion, this is certainly true. Look at official stance of the Vatican on the issue, they hold that there is nothing in the bible or any tradition of early christianity that prevents the existence of life outside Earth. (and they have scientists working towards SETI and other projects)
Christianity and belief in life outside of Earth are not mutually exclusive.
I would say the same about accepting the fact of Evolution and the we have evolved on this planet.
As with both, it depends on the Christian being asked. But as the GP said, he mentioned Christian Fundamentalists - you know, the ones who believe in the literal truth of the Bible.
Hosting in space? Is that their next move?
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Seriously. I have asked a few of the local ministers in my area when I was a christian. The de facto answer was always "The bible says absolutely nothing about whether or not intelligent aliens exist, but personally I think if God is really infinite then there is no reason why he wouldn't have many, many children.' It seems to be mostly the Catholics who believe weird stuff like that. (just an observation, Catholics aren't common here.)
Does anyone know how many of the 2000+ they've found have been in the "comfort zone"?
Actually there's an entire culture of "Christian intellectuals" that often discuss the relationship between science and God. The popes even got a physicist on staff that's also a priest. He does interviews. Anyway, the general idea on this front is this:
Before the whole "war on heaven" business, Satan was a good guy if you remember. He was given dominion over the earth. When God decided to give "grace" to humanity (basically meaning humanity could disobey him and still receive his forgiveness) Satan got pissed and turned. Well, the idea is that the bible is very specific that Satan was given dominion over the earth... so much so that it sounds like other angels had dominion over other areas... other planets maybe?
The 99% of you that are backward give the rest of you a bad name.
If your thinking cap is not broken, run this by it:
God is benevolent, all knowing, doesn't make mistakes, and so on. Humans are evil, largely stupid, screw everything up, and so on. Therefore, it makes perfect sense to put one's faith in God, and no sense at all to put one's faith in other men.
HOWEVER....
How do you actually go about putting your faith in God, without putting your faith in other men? If your pastor tells you what God wants you to do, and you believe him, then you are actually putting your faith in your pastor, not God. Maybe when God comes down from the sky and tells you what he wants you to do, maybe THEN you can really put your faith in God. But so long as you are hearing it from another human (be it a pastor, or a mystic nut, or a book written by either), then you are actually just putting your faith in men.
It turns out that all of Christianity is built on faith in other men. The Bible is a book, written printed and distributed by humans. The notion of "divine inspiration" is perpetuated by men. Did God tell you, himself, that He inspired the Bible, or did some other human tell you? Did God tell you, himself, that Jesus was his son, or did another human tell you?
Use your thinking cap and you will see: all religious teachings come from humans. And humans, as we already established, are unworthy of faith.
If you really want to put your faith in God, you are going to have to make a leap. You will have to reject every human idea about God. Every one. All that is left is the simple living of your life to the best of your ability...figuring things out as you go along...like the rest of us do. It is really scary living without absolute moral justification for your actions, or the comfort of knowing that you are doing exactly what God wants you to do. But the fact is...you have always lived this way, you have just been deluded (by other men) into falsely believing otherwise.
Before the whole "war on heaven" business, Satan was a good guy if you remember. He was given dominion over the earth. When God decided to give "grace" to humanity (basically meaning humanity could disobey him and still receive his forgiveness) Satan got pissed and turned. Well, the idea is that the bible is very specific that Satan was given dominion over the earth... so much so that it sounds like other angels had dominion over other areas... other planets maybe?
The Christians are now using Milton instead of the Bible as their source???
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Wake me up when they discover Risa.
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the only thing more annoying than the fundamentalist arguments are the people who complain about them.
Seriously, it's why reddit has an Atheism section where all that shit goes, so that people can remove it from their list of subscriptions. People are tired of hearing you're pissed off. You don't matter that much. Get over it.
The Kepler mission makes this very interesting scientific find and the only thing you people can do is trash Christians? That is your response to FINDING 11 PLANETARY SYSTEMS IN OUR GALAXY, that Christians are lolstupid?
this is one of the reasons slashdot doesn't garner the traffic it used to. People don't care if you're pissed off at christians, in fact they find the incessant complaining quite obnoxious.
I have to agree with what you've said, but it's not just bagging Christians that is the problem.
Often in Slashdot there are people knowledgeable about certain branches of science. They can often provide insight that hits the sweet spot between the pop-science ad-filled blog that stories link to and the original uninterpretable specialist and dry journal article. That's what I come here for.
Generally, the first 40 comments are people trying to make obvious jokes or trolling, followed by 20 or so dickheads like you and me complaining about the jokes. Fortunately reading the story late in the piece gets the few interesting comments up-rated - which is why I keep coming back.
Anyway, speaking of Christians and exoplanets: Giordano Bruno, one of the first people recorded as speculating that other stars might have planets, was executed by The Catholic Church in 1600.
Bah, they're only planets in metric units. In imperial units, it turns out those are only dwarf planets, and who cares about those? ;-)
The Catholics actually have their own astronomy department and do a fair amount of real science. As a sect of Christianity they are by far the most progressive about such issues. Seems they're making up for lost time after their historical antagonistic relationship with science (see: Galileo)
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The same can be said of Scientology. It doesn't make either of them any more likely to be true.
And cue the atheists pre bitching about it? Really? Get over yourself...
Congrats on your belief of nothing. Do you *honestly* think the rest of us *really* care?
Lord did such a good job providing living ground for his children.
He sure did provide his children with this beautiful land. Then we killed 90% of them and put the rest in concentration camps (reservations).
It's a great big universe, and we're all really puny.
Had to browse at -1 to understand your complaint. I am an atheist and I conccur with you. That egregerious religious bashing when the story does not mention religion at all is beyond stupid and make all taking participation in it , look stupid.
Reserve that bashing of christianity for the next tenessee bill on "evolution is only a theory" or the next stupid things the current pope do, or the next priest diddling choir kids being shifted between parish. THis story OTOH is not about religion at all this is about exoplanet.
Message to all those people at -1 : religion is crass stupid enough to show itself for the retrarded iron age myth it is in another story. GTFO of this story.
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Come on, Kepler has been operating for years and keeps identifying a trickle of additional planets. It's not news every time the total changes.
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Anyway, speaking of Christians and exoplanets: Giordano Bruno, one of the first people recorded as speculating that other stars might have planets, was executed by The Catholic Church in 1600.
And that is why we should mock them. Because you really, really don't want us picking any of the more "adult" alternatives. Be happy that we're a bit childish and just mock them.
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Culturally, this has long been the case! Lots of stuff people think of as "Christian" is straight out of Milton or even Dante.
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Perhaps you are not aware of the fact that many big names of Orthodox Christianity have said that there are no other worlds like Earth.
Quite frankly I don't care about your comment either. Slashdot always had tons of shitty comments, but they were just below a certain threshold so they were basically invisible. The top comments were very relevant. Now I'm seeing some dude complaining about some others dude shitty response.
Take a good look around, virtually all news websites with comment sections are of a similar retarded crap. Mostly this is because Americans (and I've seen it elsewhere, but, here, we're talking mostly Americans (but the world is hell bent on following us)) have become a base, selfish, ignorant people. Just like our political and corporate leaders.
Those people who said the internet would balkanize the populace won, over those who preached the cyber commons. All religions, too, are bent to political ends. How can they not be, when their gods haven't appeared in twenty centuries, and the innocent are slaughtered so easily without so much as a thunderclap from the clouds?
It's not just Christian leaders, mind you. How many Imams have some good scotch stashed away for a nip or two? How many priests are still fondling little boys? How many evangelicals keeping a hot little number on the side while they demand your dollars on television?
If you want to believe in the supernatural, fine. But you'd be money ahead creating your own religion rather that signing on to any of the corrupt selection you have before you now.
I speak only for myself, not for all of Slashdot, as you appear to. You may dismiss me with a wave of your hand and a blurted 'fucking cynic'. It's the popular method these days, and I won't mind at all.
The only reason that this is now true is that Christianity has long since adapted to the cruel fact that the Bible, its nominal description of God, the origins of the Universe and humans in it, its accounting of history and morality, has been shown to be false everywhere that it matters. Shown long ago to be false. However, for most of the last 2000 years one would have been burned alive, hung, imprisoned, tortured, ostracized, or stoned to death for any such assertion because it is in fact the case that belief in Christianity and life outside of the Earth -- hell, belief in an "outside of the Earth" for there to be life in -- were mutually exclusive.
Christians have responded to the troubling news (as described, for example, in Cardinal Saint Bellarmine's letter to Galilieo -- http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/1615bellarmine-letter.asp -- required reading for any Christian interested in the truth as opposed to excuses for continuing to accord partial faith to a stack of myths, legends, and self-serving lies) by simply eliding all of the contradicted and self-contradictory passages in the Bible out of their mental space. They do exactly the same thing that the selfsame Catholic Church has done with pederastic priests -- tried to pretend that they don't exist, or that they are "something else", for example metaphor, not literal truth, even though the original patriarch's of the church clearly thought they were literal truth and at least in the early 1600's acknowledged that if they were not, it was frighteningly probable that the whole structure of assertions of truth that is Christian Scripture was probably false -- probable enough to convince almost anybody, unless convinced otherwise by an increasingly tangled morass of "interpretation" of scripture that says one thing into something else entirely.
This has resulted in the shrinkage of sound core belief in Biblical scripture to the bare minimum to support Christianity -- at this point we are to believe that Christ existed, did all of these miracles, is misreported when he is asserted to have referred to Noah and the Flood as actual events, was crucified, died, rose from the dead, and will come back one day to judge humanity and bring in a golden age after a really big war against antichrists like myself where he will (one presumes) kill us for our disbelief and then condemn us all to a fiery furnace for eternity for the insult. Everything else is up for grabs as it contradicts yet another piece of science or historical analysis, but if Jesus did not exist, did not die and come back to life, then Christianity itself has no basis at all in fact.
Fortunately (for "Christianity", the hodge-podge of Christian faiths), it is impossible to disprove this because the events in question happened 2000 years ago, safely beyond the ability of telescopes to disprove them, and the Church itself long since destroyed any historical records that might have contradicted its account of the events of that time. All one can combat this with is sheer common sense -- the assertions are absurd -- and the fact that everywhere we can actually check the miraculous assertions of the Bible, they are false. The Bible is a false witness. It has zero credibility. It endorses slavery and marriage by rape. Moses, were he alive today, would face a Nuremberg-like trial for the slaughter and rape of the Midianites and be hung by the neck until he was dead. Its morality is not just suspect, it is openly wrong. The God it portrays is a cross between a tempery three-year old child whose name is "Jealous" and an ego-bound Earthly King.
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The literal truth of Genesis is that God created. Genesis was not written for the purpose of providing a literal or scientific account of Creation. To read it looking for such is unwise, because it ignores the authorial intent and misses the meaning of the text.
Remember that the Israelites had no concept of modern science nor modern historiography. It simply makes no sense to read their works by such standards. Any such attempt is doomed to fail to understand the text's intended meaning.
"How did God create the universe?" is the wrong question. Any being powerful enough to do such a thing could do it any way he wanted to, and in ways likely incomprehensible to us. The meaningful questions are, "Did God create?" and "Why did God create?"
"Those who consume the bulk of goods are those who make them. We must never forget this secret of our prosperity."
I like to think that after his death and re-incarnation Jesus flew to other planets via divine means.
Unfortunately, he ran into a planet with alien life that had blood composed of acid and a nasty habit of depositing eggs into human hosts.
It didn't look too good for our savior in the beginning, but Raptor Jesus happened to pass by the sector with the space ferrying Flying Spaghetti Monster. Through many trials and tribulations they were able to "save" the alien race.
By save I indicate the use of heavily armed holy weapons which brought fiery wrath down upon those bastards.
At least, that is what I was taught when growing up.
It's ignorant to equate Catholicism with Christianity. Real Christianity doesn't condone executing anyone. (cf. John 8:1-11)
"Those who consume the bulk of goods are those who make them. We must never forget this secret of our prosperity."
Giordano Bruno would like to toast you on that point, but I think he'd have preferred it if you just poured the drink on the fire to put it out.
Birds are not dinosaur descendants;birds are dinosaurs, for all useful meanings of "birds", "are" and "dinosaurs"
I thought these had been discussed back then.
Back to the god-squaddie baiting!
Birds are not dinosaur descendants;birds are dinosaurs, for all useful meanings of "birds", "are" and "dinosaurs"
Yeah, I'm pretty sure most of the population of, say, Texas is not Catholic, still consider themselves "Christian", and is pretty obviously in favor of executions. When you've convinced an overwhelming majority of the people who self-identify as Christians to share your beliefs, then perhaps you can make claims about "real Christianity". Don't get me wrong, I know a lot of liberal Christians who seem to be pretty good, but "Christianity" as a whole is defined by its self-identified adherents, and the overwhelming message I get from them is one of intolerance and ignorance.
(As an aside, I believe that the Catholic church is now pretty solidly against executions in general, though I don't know how well that's followed by majority Catholic jurisdictions.)
Most "Catholic" politicians are adamantly pro-abortion, a subset of executions, despite a biblical commandment against it. It's easy to see how some guy who went afoul of the establishment in 1600 could get burned at the stake as a heretic and the Church take the rap. In case you wonder how many Catholic scientists did NOT get burned at the stake: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Roman_Catholic_scientist-clerics
Yeah, but seriously? Why do all astronomy news comments end up becoming about religion?
Real Christianity is not defined by those who claim to be Christian. Real Christianity is defined by Christ.
You're generalizing millions of people into one, "intolerant", "ignorant" whole. That strikes me as hypocritical.
Not to mention your generalizing the entire state of Texas. Your arguments aren't logical at all.
"Those who consume the bulk of goods are those who make them. We must never forget this secret of our prosperity."