But never faster then your max bandwidth. Something some people don't understand.
But still usually 2-3 times faster than http downloads, Something some people don't understand.
I would assume most people do understand that bittorrent does not magically make their internet connection faster.
Funny story, was at a college that allocated bandwidth by time. First come, first served.
Bittorrent was literally 100x faster than http.
Yes I did use the word 'literally' correctly.
Seriously, what does a "web app marketplace" have to offer that isn't already done better through one of the above resources?
Agreed. I need a fucking web browser. Does it still do that? Great.
How about focusing on making it run faster?
How about focusing on the monstrosity that is Firefox's memory usage??
I've yet to have my browser as the network bottleneck, but i have had firefox take down my system due to never releasing memory ever.
holy shit, I switched to opera cause it has slightly better memory management.
It doesnt leak like an empty sieve, but still leaks. 3gigs of memory after 3 hours? fuck that noise.
You just gave me a very good reason to try seamonkey.
thanks
My father had that surgery and I do not advise it unless the procedure has drastically changed in the last ten years.
1. endless complications including another severe infection.
2. rather long recovery time (to be expected on anything that sensitive really...)
3. He required two more to actually fix the complications from the first.
4. After a trip to nevada he to this day wants to move there.
5. Visibly crooked nose afterwards.
"Linux (my basis for comparison is Ubuntu) "
That's probably part of the problem right there.
I've used all three OS's as my 'daily driver.'
Win7 is probably the most unstable, Followed by OSX(they hide stuff, so you would never notice until you started dicking around with it), and then Linux. The most stable install i've had is crunchbang linux. (based on debian stable.)
The last two could easily switch places depending on what you're doing.
Ubuntu is, IIRC, based on debian unstable. (Downvote city here I come) Which is fine, except that things break easily in unstable. Ubuntu tested and grabbed the ones that work. Which means they get newer packages, and if the testing goes well, do not sacrifice stability. Well, sometime around the 2010 releases, they started really going after the UI, and the stability suffered. It's not really that noticeable if you run a stock desktop system, but start installing some odd packages for testing, and you'll run across some weird stuff you won't see in debian.
"and they taught her that computer expertise meant knowing how to use Google search and Microsoft Office."
Well, at least half of what they taught is useful.
Doubt that. Have you SEEN math textbooks?
You can't learn anything on your own from those.
Pretty much every math teacher I've ever had has stated "don't read the book, it's just for problems. You'll get confused if you do."
And they are always right....
Somehow we have developed this absurd idea that you simply have to place a computer in front of a child and ~POOF~ they are magically educated, with no thought or work required by a teacher or anyone else. As a result, many billions of dollars have been spent putting computers in every classroom, and it has been a gigantic waste of money, because computers are completely unneccesary in education. Maybe in the last couple of years of highschool it makes sense, but in the early years, a computer serves no useful purpose in school and actually hinders important learning.
Computers are fantastic, powerful and useful tools. but so is a bulldozer, and we don't insist that young children must learn to operate a bulldozer or else they will not get a proper education.
And somehow this "absurd idea" is how most people that I know learn computers...
Seriously. My parents are technophobes, the people in charge of the computer lab at school thought that computers couldn't be used for anything serious. Except through word of course. I learned how to use a computer completely on my own. Literally.
Somehow people have gotten this absurd idea that having access to information is useless without a person with a PhD to instruct you.
I am a sysadmin. I am completely self-taught. You don't need a teacher to learn things.
However they probably did give it to the wrong age group. 12yrs and up? They'll figure it out. Under 10 years? WTF did you think they were going to do with it?
The point has never been "technology enables learning" the point has always been along the lines of "what would happen if we could make sure everyone had access to wikipedia?"
What you say is true; someone assumed that giving each child their own computer would enable them to do something. But the assumption that the "something" would be educational doesn't appear to be correct. I saw it in the computer lab at my own kids' school; most of the effort by the students was listening to music or trying to find a way around the Net Nanny so they could view porn. They didn't know how to use it as an educational tool, and the teachers had no clue what to do with it.
"Trying to find a way around Net Nanny"
And you don't think that that is educational??
I learned more about computers getting around my parents internet filters than I did at computer class in school OR college.
Things you learn from that: How the internet works, How they can block certain things, Certain Network skills, How to research topics, What is a proxy, Social Engineering, the list goes on and on.
I don't know if you're serious or not, but in Portugal that was considered one of the main failures (Linux). Most teachers had no idea on how to use their heavily modified linux distro ( custom flavor of http://www.caixamagica.pt/ ) so they simply ignored the computers, that in turn became more of a plaything than a teaching tool.
It's not enough to get Linux to computers, laymen need to be educated or an intuitive shell needs to be developed (like OS X did with unix).
And in other news, Teachers who teach computers have no fucking idea what they are doing.
News at 11.
Seriously, why is this even worth talking about?
Maybe I'm from the US, but practically none of my teachers knew much about what they were teaching.
Hell, most of them were hired for their Coaching abilities. No joke.
So here we learn that Portugal is retarded. I don't know what else to call buying things when you aren't going to plan on using them....
"I bought a Soccer Ball for our Students!" "What's that?" "I'm not sure, really..."
Just let the kids use them. At least one of them will figure out that you can do some awesome crap with them.
My understanding is a lot of the stuff they contribute is to get things that should be interoperable there, eg. smb and of course interop helps sell a more hetrogenous environment to corps (so they don't all run and flee to linux, but also linux doesn't break when talking to a Win server).
My experience has been the exact opposite...
Win breaks when it tries to talk to Linux.
But yeah, interoperability with Window's "standards" is nice.
Not really.
The interstate near my house randomly switches between 70 and 60 a couple of times in a 10-15 minute stretch.
The end result? Not a single fuck is given.
Everyone travels 70-75 on that road. Including the cops.
Hell I've had cops pass me on that road.
I've never seen anyone get pulled over for speeding on that road unless they were going upwards of 75.
15 mph over the speed limit.
If you want to eliminate distractions, make handheld cellphones inoperable while moving.
Great.
So what happens when there is an emergency while I'm driving?
I'll have to Physically stop the car and turn it off in order to call Emergency services?
"No, honey, I know your giving birth, but I have to turn the car off in order to arrange for an Ambulance to meet us."
bad example, but it makes you think about the kinds of situation where this could potentially be dangerous.
I'm sorry, that is a fucking terrible idea on every single layer.
The only way that would ever happen is through laws, and we all know that what you just mentioned would
cause far more problems than it solved. If you can even say it solved everything.
Seriously. I have asked a few of the local ministers in my area when I was a christian.
The de facto answer was always "The bible says absolutely nothing about whether or not intelligent aliens exist, but personally I think if God is really infinite then there is no reason why he wouldn't have many, many children.'
It seems to be mostly the Catholics who believe weird stuff like that. (just an observation, Catholics aren't common here.)
Right because everytime I skipped class it was for the sole purpose of shooting some heroin, snorting some crack, and spray-painting buildings.
I would make a guess that most of the kids just go to the mall, or whatever the local hangout happens to be.
Hell, even kids just need to take a day off now and then.
Same here. I used fedora with Gnome3 for a while, but it doesn't like multiple monitors, and I don't like the way it's laid out.
Also what is going on with rpms? Every time I play with an rpm-based system I get burned. Badly.
Either the repositories are almost completely empty aside from the basics, or after installing a few packages I end up with a broken system somehow...
Buying a faster modem might help, it might not. where i live, there is no dsl, and the fastest i have managed to get out of my dail-up is around 16.8kb.... at that rate, its not even usable. not with all todays flash, and crap. I have satellite. much much better than anything else i could have gotten. (no reliably cell service either) except that the caps on data transfer are killing me.
So... At this point, QTopia runs on several phones while OpenMoko only runs on the one they designed. ummm... not quite... http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Supported_Hardware/ the end user phone isn't even out yet, and there are still other phones it work (sorta) on.
hey CDs in Australia are EXPENSIVE. at least compared to what I'm used to. I went a year ago, and the CDs where around $20. granted, thats Austalian dollars, but the exchange rate was reasonably close at the time. (what?.75USD to 1.00AUD? [this is at the time i went people, not now. so dont get your panties in a bunch)] and what? I can buy them for $10-12?
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But never faster then your max bandwidth. Something some people don't understand.
But still usually 2-3 times faster than http downloads, Something some people don't understand. I would assume most people do understand that bittorrent does not magically make their internet connection faster. Funny story, was at a college that allocated bandwidth by time. First come, first served. Bittorrent was literally 100x faster than http. Yes I did use the word 'literally' correctly.
Seriously, what does a "web app marketplace" have to offer that isn't already done better through one of the above resources?
Agreed. I need a fucking web browser. Does it still do that? Great.
How about focusing on making it run faster?
How about focusing on the monstrosity that is Firefox's memory usage?? I've yet to have my browser as the network bottleneck, but i have had firefox take down my system due to never releasing memory ever.
holy shit, I switched to opera cause it has slightly better memory management. It doesnt leak like an empty sieve, but still leaks. 3gigs of memory after 3 hours? fuck that noise. You just gave me a very good reason to try seamonkey. thanks
My father had that surgery and I do not advise it unless the procedure has drastically changed in the last ten years. 1. endless complications including another severe infection. 2. rather long recovery time (to be expected on anything that sensitive really...) 3. He required two more to actually fix the complications from the first. 4. After a trip to nevada he to this day wants to move there. 5. Visibly crooked nose afterwards.
"Linux (my basis for comparison is Ubuntu) " That's probably part of the problem right there. I've used all three OS's as my 'daily driver.' Win7 is probably the most unstable, Followed by OSX(they hide stuff, so you would never notice until you started dicking around with it), and then Linux. The most stable install i've had is crunchbang linux. (based on debian stable.) The last two could easily switch places depending on what you're doing. Ubuntu is, IIRC, based on debian unstable. (Downvote city here I come) Which is fine, except that things break easily in unstable. Ubuntu tested and grabbed the ones that work. Which means they get newer packages, and if the testing goes well, do not sacrifice stability. Well, sometime around the 2010 releases, they started really going after the UI, and the stability suffered. It's not really that noticeable if you run a stock desktop system, but start installing some odd packages for testing, and you'll run across some weird stuff you won't see in debian.
"and they taught her that computer expertise meant knowing how to use Google search and Microsoft Office." Well, at least half of what they taught is useful.
Doubt that. Have you SEEN math textbooks? You can't learn anything on your own from those. Pretty much every math teacher I've ever had has stated "don't read the book, it's just for problems. You'll get confused if you do." And they are always right....
Somehow we have developed this absurd idea that you simply have to place a computer in front of a child and ~POOF~ they are magically educated, with no thought or work required by a teacher or anyone else. As a result, many billions of dollars have been spent putting computers in every classroom, and it has been a gigantic waste of money, because computers are completely unneccesary in education. Maybe in the last couple of years of highschool it makes sense, but in the early years, a computer serves no useful purpose in school and actually hinders important learning.
Computers are fantastic, powerful and useful tools. but so is a bulldozer, and we don't insist that young children must learn to operate a bulldozer or else they will not get a proper education.
And somehow this "absurd idea" is how most people that I know learn computers... Seriously. My parents are technophobes, the people in charge of the computer lab at school thought that computers couldn't be used for anything serious. Except through word of course. I learned how to use a computer completely on my own. Literally. Somehow people have gotten this absurd idea that having access to information is useless without a person with a PhD to instruct you. I am a sysadmin. I am completely self-taught. You don't need a teacher to learn things. However they probably did give it to the wrong age group. 12yrs and up? They'll figure it out. Under 10 years? WTF did you think they were going to do with it?
The point has never been "technology enables learning" the point has always been along the lines of "what would happen if we could make sure everyone had access to wikipedia?"
What you say is true; someone assumed that giving each child their own computer would enable them to do something. But the assumption that the "something" would be educational doesn't appear to be correct. I saw it in the computer lab at my own kids' school; most of the effort by the students was listening to music or trying to find a way around the Net Nanny so they could view porn. They didn't know how to use it as an educational tool, and the teachers had no clue what to do with it.
"Trying to find a way around Net Nanny" And you don't think that that is educational?? I learned more about computers getting around my parents internet filters than I did at computer class in school OR college. Things you learn from that: How the internet works, How they can block certain things, Certain Network skills, How to research topics, What is a proxy, Social Engineering, the list goes on and on.
Who's going against me? and WHY???
I don't know if you're serious or not, but in Portugal that was considered one of the main failures (Linux). Most teachers had no idea on how to use their heavily modified linux distro ( custom flavor of http://www.caixamagica.pt/ ) so they simply ignored the computers, that in turn became more of a plaything than a teaching tool.
It's not enough to get Linux to computers, laymen need to be educated or an intuitive shell needs to be developed (like OS X did with unix).
And in other news, Teachers who teach computers have no fucking idea what they are doing. News at 11. Seriously, why is this even worth talking about? Maybe I'm from the US, but practically none of my teachers knew much about what they were teaching. Hell, most of them were hired for their Coaching abilities. No joke. So here we learn that Portugal is retarded. I don't know what else to call buying things when you aren't going to plan on using them.... "I bought a Soccer Ball for our Students!" "What's that?" "I'm not sure, really..." Just let the kids use them. At least one of them will figure out that you can do some awesome crap with them.
My understanding is a lot of the stuff they contribute is to get things that should be interoperable there, eg. smb and of course interop helps sell a more hetrogenous environment to corps (so they don't all run and flee to linux, but also linux doesn't break when talking to a Win server).
My experience has been the exact opposite... Win breaks when it tries to talk to Linux. But yeah, interoperability with Window's "standards" is nice.
Not really. The interstate near my house randomly switches between 70 and 60 a couple of times in a 10-15 minute stretch. The end result? Not a single fuck is given. Everyone travels 70-75 on that road. Including the cops. Hell I've had cops pass me on that road. I've never seen anyone get pulled over for speeding on that road unless they were going upwards of 75. 15 mph over the speed limit.
If you want to eliminate distractions, make handheld cellphones inoperable while moving.
Great. So what happens when there is an emergency while I'm driving? I'll have to Physically stop the car and turn it off in order to call Emergency services? "No, honey, I know your giving birth, but I have to turn the car off in order to arrange for an Ambulance to meet us." bad example, but it makes you think about the kinds of situation where this could potentially be dangerous. I'm sorry, that is a fucking terrible idea on every single layer. The only way that would ever happen is through laws, and we all know that what you just mentioned would cause far more problems than it solved. If you can even say it solved everything.
Seriously. I have asked a few of the local ministers in my area when I was a christian. The de facto answer was always "The bible says absolutely nothing about whether or not intelligent aliens exist, but personally I think if God is really infinite then there is no reason why he wouldn't have many, many children.' It seems to be mostly the Catholics who believe weird stuff like that. (just an observation, Catholics aren't common here.)
Right because everytime I skipped class it was for the sole purpose of shooting some heroin, snorting some crack, and spray-painting buildings. I would make a guess that most of the kids just go to the mall, or whatever the local hangout happens to be. Hell, even kids just need to take a day off now and then.
Same here. I used fedora with Gnome3 for a while, but it doesn't like multiple monitors, and I don't like the way it's laid out. Also what is going on with rpms? Every time I play with an rpm-based system I get burned. Badly. Either the repositories are almost completely empty aside from the basics, or after installing a few packages I end up with a broken system somehow...
Buying a faster modem might help, it might not. where i live, there is no dsl, and the fastest i have managed to get out of my dail-up is around 16.8kb.... at that rate, its not even usable. not with all todays flash, and crap. I have satellite. much much better than anything else i could have gotten. (no reliably cell service either) except that the caps on data transfer are killing me.
hey CDs in Australia are EXPENSIVE. at least compared to what I'm used to. I went a year ago, and the CDs where around $20. granted, thats Austalian dollars, but the exchange rate was reasonably close at the time. (what? .75USD to 1.00AUD? [this is at the time i went people, not now. so dont get your panties in a bunch)] and what? I can buy them for $10-12?