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Murdoch Faces Allegations of Sabotage

Presto Vivace writes "Neil Chenoweth, of the Australian Financial Review, reports that the BBC program Panorama is making new allegations against News Corp of serious misconduct. This time it involves the NDS division of News Corp, which makes conditional access cards for pay TV. It seems that NDS also ran a sabotage operation, hiring pirates to crack the cards of rival companies and posting the code on The House of Ill Compute (thoic.com), a web site hosted by NDS. 'ITV Digital collapsed in March 2002 with losses of more than £1 billion, overwhelmed by mass piracy, as well as technical restrictions and expensive sports contracts. Its collapse left Murdoch-controlled BSkyB the dominant pay TV provider in the UK.' Chenoweth reports that James Murdoch has been an advocate for tougher penalties for pirates, 'These are property rights, these are basic property rights,' he said. 'There is no difference from going into a store and stealing a packet of Pringles or a handbag, and stealing something online. Right?'"

201 comments

  1. Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This guy is basically like Mr. Burns on the Simpsons. What a horrible excuse for a person.

    1. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by philip.paradis · · Score: 5, Funny

      Mr. Burns is funny, which has value. This is not funny.

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    2. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by jhoegl · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, but do you really think this is the only business that does this kind of thing?
      Hint... no... no you shouldnt think that.

    3. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Call me a cynic, but when a wealthy sonofabitch who we all know corrupts the politics of multiple countries and plays dirty is caught at doing something like this, I think it's time for a good chuckle. My only hope is that if he ever really goes down, he'll take a few politicians down with him. He's enough of a scumbag to do it if he ever really loses his sway.

    4. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by Wrath0fb0b · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And what about all the nerds that actually did it? It's not like he sat around writing code himself. What about their (existent?) scruples? Did they know who paid them or wonder why? Did they just ignore those questions so long as they could?

      You want to read this as a morality play about how a bad man did something wrong. I want to read it as being about how some pretty smart coders ran pretty sophisticated hacking ring and either be oblivious or indifferent to the fact that they were acting as modern-day thugs smashing up a rival's store.

      It's the old "bad apples" routine -- or as Solzhenitsyn put it more eloquently: "If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?â

    5. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by philip.paradis · · Score: 2

      I'm absolutely certain that this is not the only business that does this kind of thing, which makes it even less funny. Hint: over the years I've known and worked with people on both sides of the pen testing "game." In other words, people with hats of many colors.

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    6. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It'll be fucking hilarious if he ends up in jail.

    7. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by philip.paradis · · Score: 2

      I don't view this is a morality play. I simply said it isn't funny, and I meant what I said. On the morality bit, you might be surprised to learn that I don't believe in black and white absolutes of morality either. In my experience, it really is all a matter of perspective, painted in shades of gray.

      While others may certainly feel differently, I draw the humor line at the point where lots of real people lose their jobs and see their lives wrecked because of acts like this. I'm not saying Murdoch is guilty of this (I don't believe that's been proven yet), and I'm not saying the other side is innocent or blameless either. I'm simply saying I don't think the situation, on the whole, is funny.

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    8. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by TWX · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, but do you really think this is the only business that does this kind of thing?

      It may not be the only business that does this kind of thing, but it certainly seems to be the most visibly blatant at the moment, and that's telling for an organization that controls such a large amount of the media in the areas its malfeasance is being reported in.

      Seeking to crack opponents' tech, not a surprise.

      Hosting a site or forum dedicated to the tech, including security and the like, meh.

      Seeking to create ever-stronger penalties for violations of security, expected.

      Using corporate resources to crack a competitor's technology and intentionally posting the technical information needed to allow others to also crack said technology, while advocating for laws that should theoretically result in essentially a corporate death penalty- that's a surprise.

      Corporations are chartered by the government. Simple solution, revoke their charters when the violations stack on like we've seen with News Corp. Force the assets into auction, require revenues to pay legal damages and then distribute what remains proportionally to those stockholders that weren't also employed in the company and engaging in the wanton illegal activity or directly managing those who were.

      If corporations faced their charters' revocation, and if egregious offenders actually saw this happen from time to time with dramatic losses to stockholders, maybe stockholders and corporate officers would reduce the amount of corruption in their ranks.

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    9. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A man who stands up for Rupert Murdoch. You wont get anywhere that way Wrathof. Except for maybe the odd backhander or two, chuckle chuckle chuckle.

    10. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by Y-Crate · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And what about all the nerds that actually did it?

      They'll inevitably get hefty prison sentences, while Murdoch goes free with a "please don't do any more bad things until the next time you do bad things" warning.

    11. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by FoolishOwl · · Score: 2

      You do realize that Rupert Murdoch controls Fox News, right?

    12. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by ravenshrike · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Murdoch's only god is money. He runs Fox News cause it's a giant market no one else was exploiting.

    13. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by guises · · Score: 1

      My only hope is that if he ever really goes down, he'll take a few politicians down with him. He's enough of a scumbag to do it if he ever really loses his sway.

      Which is, of course, why it's never going to happen.

    14. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by lexsird · · Score: 3

      Great solution, mine was not so eloquent. It was shoot them all in the fucking head and be done with it. I think your solution is far better, it hurts them deep in the pockets and across the range of investors, and sets an example for other corporations and their investors. Mine isn't a good long term solution, it doesn't set up for a long standing accountability, they could avoid getting shot. Whereas using the law to strip them of their ill gotten gains and inflict them with punitive damages can be sustained as long as we have vigilant people who have learned from this era of corporate criminal corruption.

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    15. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I always find comments like this funny. Because really only the American people are impressionable and stupid. No one in the rest of the world could possibly be unintelligent right?

      Don't get me wrong, I can't stand Faux News. But I've known many brilliant people who are just wrong. To go around calling people who don't agree with you stupid isn't helping anything.

    16. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by lexsird · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Let's call it what is is. It's not stupidity, really. It's the results of nationalist propaganda, corporate and capitalist propaganda, a completely shitty education system that undermines the very principles of education, Christianity selling out to politicians, AND jackass propaganda machines like Faux News. Of course, you have ignorance, prejudices, racism, sexism, bigotry and delusions of grandeur, but just calling it "stupid" doesn't do it justice.

      Hmm..looking at that, perhaps you have a point. It could easily be summed up to we have a lot of fucking stupid people. But what can you do?

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    17. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by dbIII · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's just where the biggest English speaking market in the world is, so yes, by sheer weight of numbers they are. You could say "more Americans are x" where x could be just about anything, so don't take it personally.

    18. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by Xest · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Really? Did you not see Sunday's headlines in the UK?

      A Murdoch publication published evidence of the Conservative party's deputy treasurer admitting you could buy access to the prime minister and influence policy for a £250,000 party donation.

      Nice to see these things exposed, but the timing and target weren't exactly coincidence. Murdoch knows he's on a downwar spiral in the UK and is already trying to take the PM with him.

      I'm not convinced Murdoch will get away with it this time, there's too much public anger and opposition pressure. Now that some semi-independent authorities in the police, judiciary, and oversight committees have become involved it's arguably even past the point it can be sweeped under the carpet.

    19. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by aynoknman · · Score: 5, Funny

      Rupert Murdoch does not control Fox News. Fox News is controlled only by the sincerest desire to provide fair, balanced, truthful reporting. How could you possibly believe otherwise?

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    20. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by Custard+Horse · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Sadly I think that it will be swept under the carpet. Murdoch has already replaced the News of the World with a Sunday edition of The Sun so everything is as it was before. The fact that Murdoch also owns the more respectable The Sunday Times means that he has both ends of the market.

      What we really need it for Murdoch's hapless son to be put in the frame for something serious only for him to give evidence against his father and bring the whole lot crashing down - including the politicians and police officers who have been paid off over the years.

    21. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by dintech · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well, it's all fucking unraveling for Murdoch. It couldn't happen to a nicer person. Schadenfreudegasm.

    22. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by Chrisq · · Score: 1

      I always find comments like this funny. Because really only the American people are impressionable and stupid. No one in the rest of the world could possibly be unintelligent right?

      You know I think you have just convinced me.

    23. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My only hope is that if he ever really goes down, he'll take a few politicians down with him. He's enough of a scumbag to do it if he ever really loses his sway.

      And politicians aren't? :) Usually when stuff like this happens it's all down to who's got what. One guy can destroy another's reputation or career or image, the other can tighten the screw all the way to jail time. Depends who breaks down and to what level. It's never "I got dirt on you so you can't touch me", it's a monkey crap-flinging festival.

    24. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by JakartaDean · · Score: 1

      Schadenfreudegasm.

      Best Neologism I've come across. Thank you for that.

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    25. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by dkf · · Score: 2

      Yeah, but do you really think this is the only business that does this kind of thing?

      Doesn't make it right. Doesn't make it legal. Doesn't make it ethical. Doesn't mean we should let them get away with it. Time to get our punishing boots on.

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    26. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't that a bit of a to toque?

      No, probably some other businesses do that too. But it's still illegal, and contempt should be rightfully directed at them if and when they are caught.

    27. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      oh well, thats ok then.
      lets let them all get away with it

    28. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yeah, it's weird to feel almost on Murdoch's side for once. I remember annoying everyone in the room when the news came on the radio and I shouted, almost with glee, "Payback for Cable!"

      There's one thing I like about Murdoch: he loves power and money and thrives on succeeding in business, but he hasn't really demonstrated any sort of creepy ideology beyond this. He isn't doing what the arms sellers do, making a mint from unnecessary deaths. He isn't doing what the private medical providers and insurers are doing, paying their way through friends in government to destruction of the welfare state. Indeed, any time he pretends to have an ideology - e.g. talking of meritocracy - he acts in a way completely contrary to it.

      OTOH, focusing on this bogeyman to democratic freedom distracts from the people who are the real problem: the politicians and the firms they're silently selling the country to. Murdoch is exposed and failing. He remains untouchable. It's likely that this report is not one of a long line of expositions on corruption in government, but a single salvo to warn the government not to go any further. Like I said, Murdoch is no idealist. And it'll work.

    29. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by ommerson · · Score: 1

      This is what we used to do to pirates in the UK

      Execution dock.

      It's still there, but has laid unused or quite some time.

    30. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by bfandreas · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This is not as far away as you might think.

      I'm heavily involved with a couple of huge European chemical companies and they found out that sustainability is the only thing that will keep them afloat for another century. They test if their reps are corrupt, if ethical guidelines are followed, that they don't leave a mess, how their employees fare worldwide, if they eed to get involved in education and how far away they are from their own goals. Which still is quite a bit. But still.

      The frequent corruption scandals German industry faced and a few other desasters have caused a serious shift in what they think is needed. Stockholders don't quite get it but they are still doing fine.

      Now I reckon this is also the case in other companies(I only consult those) so this makes Muroch Corp look like a bit of a dinosaur. You will not be able to steal, cheat, lie and sleaze your way to the top and can expect to end up with a slap on the wrist. Quite a few execs of Murdoch Corp are now facing charges, some are in jail. Also Murdoch had politics by the colloar for quite a while and now that public opinion swings the other side you can expect something quite drastic to happen in GB.

      There's an old Fry&Laurie sketch on Murdoch, that's how long his sleaze has been public knowledge.

      SCHADENFREUDEGASM indeed(thanks, dintech).

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    31. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by bfandreas · · Score: 1

      Rupert Murdoch does not control Fox News. Fox News is controlled only by the sincerest desire to provide fair, balanced, truthful reporting. How could you possibly believe otherwise?

      'tis true! Santa told me himself a couple of months ago.

      Funny, I always thought he came from the North Pole not Australia. What's next? The Easter Bunny not being Catholic?

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    32. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "A Murdoch publication published evidence of the Conservative party's deputy treasurer admitting you could buy access to the prime minister and influence policy for a £250,000 party donation."

      There is no honor among thieves.

    33. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by bfandreas · · Score: 1

      Selling access to politicians seems to be common practice. We had a couple of scandals like that in Germany, too.

      I don't think the timing is ominous. The incident was simply disgusting, it was news, hacks were involved, so it got reported. That's exactly what a newspaper is for. Only this time it seems no phones were hacked. More likely the usual mix of whistle blowing, dumb luck, bribery and snooping. The newspaper business will never be squeaky clean and it doesn't have to be as rotten as News Corps was.

      The biggest German yellow press newspaper-lookalike has faced allegations of making up news as they go for years. This is not your Bat Boy thing but the biggest and most influential newspaper in Germany. Hated by many, read by even more. Their currenty billboard ads are quotes from prominent Germans(A list, B list, the whole alphabet) on their view on that rag. Quite a few of them are disapproving. That's how confident they are. Despite the allegations. Despite the opinionated reporting. In one fell swoop to clean up their public image they took the tits from page one to page three.

      ...and that is the newspaper that had the most scoops in the past thirty years. Which makes it an invaluable national institution, I suppose. Oh well, tits. They manage to make them boring.

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    34. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by Black+Parrot · · Score: 2

      Corporations are chartered by the government. Simple solution, revoke their charters when the violations stack on like we've seen with News Corp.

      This is known as the "corporate death penalty".

      You don't hear the term much anymore, because punishing corporations for malfeasance isn't exactly in vogue these days.

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    35. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by digitig · · Score: 1

      Corporations are chartered by the government. Simple solution, revoke their charters when the violations stack on like we've seen with News Corp. Force the assets into auction, require revenues to pay legal damages and then distribute what remains proportionally to those stockholders that weren't also employed in the company and engaging in the wanton illegal activity or directly managing those who were.

      But then where will the bribes -- er, campaign donations -- come from?

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    36. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This much is true. But Murdoch is also the risk taker (Simpsons, House and various Science-Fiction shows like X-files and Fringe) where ABC/NBC are complacent in producing sitcoms/dramedys that copy each other and reality/gameshow filler.

      Fox News is defined as "nothing but opinion segments", akin to looney bloggers and about as trustworthy source as wikipedia (no fact checking.)

    37. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by kosty · · Score: 1

      Really? The "everybody does it so move along, nothing to see here folks" defense? Sheesh...

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    38. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by flyneye · · Score: 1

      I can picture Murdoch in drag with his stolen handbag and Pringles chips in front of the mirror "ah , yes, my plan is coming together, just as soon as Simpson cracks Turners card, I will rule the World"

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    39. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by kosty · · Score: 1

      Oh, I beg to f$cking differ. Here in the good ol' US, he has made a bundle on feel-good ads by Boeing and the like. I'm sure it doesn't hurt his standing and business with such pricks since he regularly beats the war drums for any and all world conflicts -- i.e., insane wars for insane profits.

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    40. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by tomhath · · Score: 1

      The Nerds That Actually Did It are the ones pointing fingers, claiming innocence in the matter and blaming NDS for everything. Apparently both ITV and BSkyB were losing a lot of money to piracy, ITV was also losing money in other ways and went bust.

      Whether NDS was the one leaking the information, whether they were both leaking each other's information, or whether third parties were also involved is speculation at this point. My guess is all of the above.

    41. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by flyneye · · Score: 1

      I give you kudos for the quickest, most cost effective solution though.The law can pillage and pilfer the smoking wreckage after the "Dirty Harry " ceremony.

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    42. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by MrAngryForNoReason · · Score: 1

      published evidence of the Conservative party's deputy treasurer admitting you could buy access to the prime minister and influence policy for a £250,000 party donation.

      I'm not sure why this has been presented as a shocking expose. The list of donations and what access it gains you are on the Conservatives website.

    43. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by TheSpoom · · Score: 0

      No, it's not. In less than a year the public will completely forget about this, and Murdoch will still control the media. If the public cared about someone powerful being evil, Fox News would not still exist. They expect it.

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    44. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by yahwotqa · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      You seem awfully butthurt by this. Did it hit too close to home for you?

      Fox News is targetted at stupid impressionable people, and its primary target audience is USA. Therefore it's for "stupid impressionable Americans", just like grandparent worded it. Nowhere in his post can I see him claiming that all Americans are stupid or impressionable.

    45. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by Stormthirst · · Score: 1

      And that makes it right?

    46. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I call BS on this. Just because his clothes aren't stained in blood, doesn't mean that he isn't responsible for the suffering of others. His ideology is greed. He doesn't care how he goes about doing it so long as it benefits him and is sustainable. The measure of a man is what he would do if he thought he would get away with it. We have seen on a part of what he thought he could get away with. At least idealists are doing things for a greater cause than themselves

    47. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by Stormthirst · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Except in corporate America this kind of behaviour is celebrated, not punished. I can hear the politician (Democrat or Republican, though I suspect the Republicans would be loudest) bemoaning how the job creators are being punished for doing what job creators do.

    48. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by cornjones · · Score: 1

      Don't get me wrong, I can't stand Faux News. But I've known many brilliant people who are just wrong. To go around calling people who don't agree with you stupid isn't helping anything.

      There is a difference between calling conservatives or republicans stupid and calling fox news watchers stupid. there may be a large intersection between the two groups but I have met/debated w/ a few conservative republicans with well thought through arguments and reasoned convictions. the rest watch fox news (and can't/don't see through it).

    49. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by cornjones · · Score: 1

      Rupert Murdoch does not control Fox News. Fox News is controlled only by the sincerest desire to provide fair, balanced, truthful reporting. How could you possibly believe otherwise?

      i love that this is already maxed out as funny

    50. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by Xest · · Score: 1

      Because that list isn't comprehensive according to the expose.

      The expose made it clear that there is an additional level around the £250,000 mark that gives you access to greatly influence and suggest policy itself.

      The site you linked merely says the £50,000 mark (the highest advertised level) gives you the opportunity to meet the PM at certain events and nothing more.

    51. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by sighnaps · · Score: 1

      You mean news for stupid impressionable Americans :D

      -1 flamebait! damn! No mod points left :(

    52. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by retroworks · · Score: 1

      Borderline Snidely Whiplash disorder.

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    53. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by Anthony+Mouse · · Score: 0

      The important thing to notice is that Fox News will not cover this, or will cover it in the nature of "why is the liberal media attacking our Dear Leader without cause?" Which means that viewers of Fox News will not find out about it.

      Friends don't let friends watch Fox News. (Even -- especially -- if your views are toward the right. There are just so many better options: Cato.org, reason.com, volokh.com for legal issues, etc.)

    54. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by Sique · · Score: 2

      The latest statistics are: 40% of the Republicans, 37% of the Democrats and 20% of the Indepents watch Fox News regularly. So even 60% of the Republicans know better.

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    55. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by Sique · · Score: 2

      Actually, Santa Claus (Nikolaos of Myra) comes from the small town of Myra (today: Demre) in Anatolia, and he is buried in the Cathedral of Bari, Italy.

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    56. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by need4mospd · · Score: 1

      When you comment using the words Fox News, fair, and balanced in a sentence, it's automatically modded 5, Funny.

    57. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by RoccamOccam · · Score: 1

      Thank goodness for MSNBC!

    58. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by T.E.D. · · Score: 5, Funny

      Actually, assuming it does happen to someone else, it would be next to impossible for it to not happen to a nicer person.

    59. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by Darth+Snowshoe · · Score: 1

      Oh, like that would ever happen. Corporations are people, my friend!

    60. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      You are right. Same exact thing can be said of every other MSM channel out there.

    61. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      On the morality bit, you might be surprised to learn that I don't believe in black and white absolutes of morality either. In my experience, it really is all a matter of perspective, painted in shades of gray.

      It's fine to say that morality is a matter of shades of grey and never pure black and white, just as long as you don't extend this to saying that one grey is just the same as another.

      Mahatma Gandhi was a better person than Adolf Hitler, by any rational system of morality. That doesn't mean that you have to say Hitler was 100% evil and Gandhi 100% good.

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    62. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by greg_barton · · Score: 1

      And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?

      A lot of us, actually. You do it every time you eat a double cheeseburger. So the trick is to make destroying evil in yourself fun, easy, and tasty.

      Only half joking.

    63. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 1

      ...Fox News will not cover this, or will cover it in the nature of "why is the liberal media attacking our Dear Leader without cause?"

      That's not news (it's Fox!). I'm interested if the Wall Street Journal has completed their assimilation into the Murdoch collective and will do the same.

    64. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do *you* think you're the only person who thinks that? STFU, geek.

    65. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by Hotawa+Hawk-eye · · Score: 1

      Fox has and has had its share of reality/gameshow filler as well. American Idol? Temptation Island? Who Wants to Marry a Multi-Millionaire? Cops? The Simple Life? [Okay, Cops isn't so bad.]

      And since you mentioned science fiction ... how did they do airing Firefly? For a show with self-contained episodes, airing them out of order would be fine ... but shuffling the order of episodes for a series that contains story arcs that cross multiple episodes? Really?

    66. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ignorance, prejudices, racism, sexism, bigotry and delusions of grandeur

      So, pretty much the same as Slashdot and other geek sites.

    67. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 4, Funny

      OK, I"m testing that.

      I went to the fair, met an acrobat named Fox who balanced on a beam, and got some News from the crier.

      Science!

    68. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by microbox · · Score: 1

      Murdoch is a political ideologue. He wants to shape public opinion. He runs "The Australian" at a lose, simply so that he can do that. Fox News is successful because vitriol sells.

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    69. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by mcgrew · · Score: 3, Informative

      He sounds exactly like the sleazeballs from the M.A.F.I.A.A. FTFS:

      'These are property rights, these are basic property rights,' he said. 'There is no difference from going into a store and stealing a packet of Pringles or a handbag, and stealing something online. Right?'"

      Wrong. If I steal a handbag, gles the store no longer has that handbag. If I make a copy of that handbag, the store has lost nothing. And, this comment is NOT my property, not according to the US Constitution. It belongs to everyone, I merely have a limited time monopoly on its publication, NOT ownership.

      "Intellectual property" is a lie. If you have to lie in order to make your case, your case is damned weak.

    70. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by Patch86 · · Score: 1

      I want to read it as being about how some pretty smart coders ran pretty sophisticated hacking ring and either be oblivious or indifferent to the fact that they were acting as modern-day thugs smashing up a rival's store.

      Then one of us must have read it wrong. The way I read it, a wholly controlled subsidiary of News Corporation employed people to hack into rival companies technology and hand out the cracked code for free to anyone who wanted it. No-one would be oblivious or indifferent in this situation- that's cold-blooded criminality. That isn't intrepid youngsters being tricked into wrecking a company- that's Mafia hitmen being paid to take out a rival.

      While it is obviously conceivable that neither Rupert Murdoch, nor James Murdoch, nor any senior figure in News Corp was aware of the systematic (and expensive) operation to destroy their biggest rival in the UK, it seems a little infeasible to me. And importantly, there are rules punishing criminal negligence almost as severely as criminal intent- that is, if the company that they're supposed to be running is committing massive and intentional crimes and due to their own incompetence they never realised it, they should still be going straight to the nearest criminal courtroom. Especially when you consider this instance of massive systemic criminality with other recent instances of massive systemic criminality (the tabloid phone hacking and the police corruption cases), the defence wears a little thin.

      As the MP Tom Watson said, James Murdoch must be "the first Mafia boss in history who didn't know he was running a criminal enterprise."

    71. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by ravenshrike · · Score: 2

      Actually, Fox is by and large targeted at stupid, impressionable conservatives in the US. Everything else on the US news market is by and large targeted at stupid, impressionable progressives.

    72. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by tunapez · · Score: 1

      ...but....but....Rupert's a good guy, a dyed-in-the-wool capitalist! Capitalism is good in any extreme, not evil like them darned commies. In the world of black and white market forces rule therm all, cheaters/evil-doers are always checked without the need of oversight and ponies come with optional horns included. Shucks, he's just misunderstood... a saint among entrepreneurs.

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    73. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Because there is a big difference between:

      1) Paying to get into a luncheon or other event in a large hall where the Prime Minister will make a public speech. (=£50,000 - the top level on the website menu)

      2) Paying to have dinner at the same table as the Prime Minister in number 10, where you can ask questions on "virtually any topic", and what the prime minister says is confidential. (=£250,000 price and package only revealed by Tory party official when he thinks he's off the record.)

      The former doesn't buy you influence and insider knowledge at the top level. The latter does.

    74. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about the independent contractors who were installing toilet mains on the Death Star?

    75. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by blackest_k · · Score: 1

      I remember hearing years ago a similar story about murdoch doing something similar to canal+
      Apparently a lab in israel was used to peel back the masks and investigate the canal+ cards the crypto was reverse engineered and cams released and keys released. Which meant it was very easy to access canal+ with softcams for a good few years. I think that it was traced back and it allegedly was down to murdoch trying to bankrupt canal+ who didn't want to use sky's encryption methods.

      ho hum,
      http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/03/27/news-corp-nds-bbc-itv-digital-ondigital-murdoch_n_1381735.html

      Well colour me surprised sounds like it is the same case after all, resurrected after all these years
      no wonder it sounded so familiar.

    76. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Schadenfreudegasm.

      Best Neologism I've come across. Thank you for that.

      So then it would have been a Neologasm?

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    77. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice false equivalence. Ever try honest debate tactics, by chance?

    78. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by doston · · Score: 1

      No, it's not. In less than a year the public will completely forget about this, and Murdoch will still control the media. If the public cared about someone powerful being evil, Fox News would not still exist. They expect it.

      The truth is, a large segment of the public does care...a lot and they know there is sqat they can do about it. Pretty much like election theater that's going on now, along with security theater at the airport. Welcome to democracy theater. The audience knows, the actors know the audience knows and they both know there is nothing the audience can do about it, so the show must go on.

    79. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by Lotana · · Score: 1

      With the ACTA and MPAA more active than ever, I can imagine that it will be used once again for its originally designed purpose.

    80. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by FunkDup · · Score: 1

      Murdoch's only god is money

      Former Australian Prime minister Paul Keating said it best when giving advice to Tony Blair and Alistair Campbell. "He's a big bad bastard, and the only way you can deal with him is to make sure he thinks you can be a big bad bastard too. You can do deals with him, without ever saying a deal is done. But the only thing he cares about is his business and the only language he respects is strength."

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    81. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by dintech · · Score: 1

      That's another one for my vocabularmory!

    82. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank God there are still countries in the world like GB whose legal systems haven't become impotent against corporate influence.

      At least we may soon learn if that is true.

    83. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1

      o.O

    84. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by HArchH · · Score: 2

      All news sources have agendas and filter their presentations and publications through those agendas. This is not specific to Fox News. Remember the ABC news report on the fictitious Bush performance report from his military days? Look at NBC allowing their own staff to cover their own actions as news related to the Trayvon Martin accusations?

      One-sided hatred of Fox is no more rational than what you accuse Fox News of doing. Fair and Balanced :) hatred of both extreme sides of news sources makes far more sense. Is your primary news source any less extreme than you see Fox News as being? And if you think not, is it only because you are tuned into a news source that matches your own slanted perspective? Maybe, if you don't routinely find things said by your news source with which you don't disagree you're not getting a broad enough perspective? Try something other than CNN and MSNBC for awhile.

      Finally, on the main topic: It is nothing new to anyone in the Conditional Access field that NDS has worked to "out" their competitors for years. The amount of patent infringement undertaking by NDS, specifically the basis of their work on the TV/COM multilevel access patents has been well known and litigated for years. But I'm not sure that Irdeto, Canal+, or any of the other players in the field are any better behaved. IMHO the advent of the embedded security processor in SoC and the software based security systems that use them are a good (if not new) evolution. The "replaceable security element" model of the Smartcard guys seems to be successfully attacked time and time again in many fields and requires a large on-going legal team to prosecute the pirates to try and keep the model alive. And, IMHO, what a PITA those smart card security company's are to work with due to the false pretense of expertise, their late-delivered demands on hardware and software design, and their almost capricious engineering review reports leading to demands for design changes that don't conform to even their own published security specifications.

    85. Re:Rupert Murdoch has no scruples. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Luckily, years of reading Slashdot has programmed us to believe that piracy is good, and only benefits the content providers. With all the piracy he's done, Murdoch should be congratulated for helping out his competitors so much. What a good sport!

      Or if they just happen to, you know, go bankrupt or something because of it, it's clearly their own fault for not adapting their business model to beat "free".

  2. Is there evidence that Murdoch knew about this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I have not RTFA, but, this would be damning if the board (including the Murdochs) were aware of it. They appear to be getting pounded in UK, though that has not yet reached this side of the Atlantic..

    Wonder if the corruption is so pervasive that they've broken the law here as well, or if it was confined to the operations (and management) in UK alone.

    Captcha: crotch.. :P

    1. Re:Is there evidence that Murdoch knew about this? by Isca · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I wonder how much Fox news will report it. You can't tell me all the other networks aren't going to have a field day with this in the US.

    2. Re:Is there evidence that Murdoch knew about this? by Guppy06 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Murdoch has enough money to buy plausible deniability.

    3. Re:Is there evidence that Murdoch knew about this? by Therad · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Breaking news! How will obama lower the price on gas? Have we gotten any proof he isn't a muslim? And will he ever show conclusive evidence that he is born in the US?"

    4. Re:Is there evidence that Murdoch knew about this? by djames · · Score: 1

      I wonder how much Fox news will report it. You can't tell me all the other networks aren't going to have a field day with this in the US.

      I don't know the networks are usually pretty nice to each other and Murdoch's sort of ridiculously powerful. Remember when all the networks went after Obama's aide for pointing out the obvious fact that FOX news serves as a branch of the Republican party. Plus Murdoch is smart enough that there is no way that there is any evidence proving he knew about it (although I would be surprised if he didn't know)

    5. Re:Is there evidence that Murdoch knew about this? by FoolishOwl · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There will probably be some sharp satire on The Daily Show and The Colbert Report. MSNBC may make a few snide comments. Other than that, I would guess most media will ignore it. Fox will try to frame it as if Murdoch is the victim.

    6. Re:Is there evidence that Murdoch knew about this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just watch Outfoxed and you know more than enough....

    7. Re:Is there evidence that Murdoch knew about this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From one of TFAs:

      "James Murdoch was a non-executive director of NDS when ITV Digital was hacked, although there is no evidence that he knew about the events reported by Panorama."

      So the more correct headline might be: "Corporation Owned by Murdoch Faces Allegations of Sabotage."

    8. Re:Is there evidence that Murdoch knew about this? by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      or maybe the networks sided with fox because 'obvious fact' wasn't quite so factual. the enemy of my enemy...

    9. Re:Is there evidence that Murdoch knew about this? by epyT-R · · Score: 2

      I see you're one of those ultra sensitives today's society pumps out in droves, who then lobby to make life so whitewashed and locked down that it's no longer interesting.. grow a thicker skin already, if you can't tell the difference between a joke and seriousness, or contextual reference.

    10. Re:Is there evidence that Murdoch knew about this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Statistically, most people enjoy group rape.

    11. Re:Is there evidence that Murdoch knew about this? by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      They appear to be getting pounded in UK, though that has not yet reached this side of the Atlantic..

      Until they are getting pounded in PMITA prison, they are not really being pounded. One can only hope that someday they will enjoy three hots and a cot at a quality 'reformatory'.

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    12. Re:Is there evidence that Murdoch knew about this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rape jokes are getting old.

      Which is ironic as the people I rape are getting progressively younger.

    13. Re:Is there evidence that Murdoch knew about this? by gmhowell · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's not so much being nice to each other. Fox and MSNBC employees seem to loathe each other from what I've read. The issue is that the businesses are looking at something more long term than todays viewership. Sure, CNN kicking Fox while it is down will help improve ratings tonight. The problem is when the current administration is no longer in power. If beating on Fox is ok now, you can bet beating on CNN will be ok in the future. This is merely the networks acting out of fear of mutually assured destruction.

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    14. Re:Is there evidence that Murdoch knew about this? by hawkinspeter · · Score: 1

      Some people don't like rape jokes.

      In my experience I find it helps break the awkward tension afterwards.

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    15. Re:Is there evidence that Murdoch knew about this? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I see you're one of those ultra sensitives today's society pumps out in droves, who then lobby to make life so whitewashed and locked down that it's no longer interesting.. grow a thicker skin already, if you can't tell the difference between a joke and seriousness, or contextual reference.

      Saying that someone (even Murdoch) being raped is funny is NOT the same thing as making a joke involving rape.

      Similarly, I wouldn't seriously want to see anyone being tortured with red hot irons or beheaded, and I seriously doubt I'd be able to find them funny if I did have to see them, but that doesn't mean jokes involving either of those are off limits.

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    16. Re:Is there evidence that Murdoch knew about this? by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      uh yeah, you agree with me, I think... maybe you meant to reply to the gp?

    17. Re:Is there evidence that Murdoch knew about this? by Larryish · · Score: 1

      I'm gonna grape you in the mouth!

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fqq051BU2MY

    18. Re:Is there evidence that Murdoch knew about this? by philip.paradis · · Score: 1

      And I see you're a fucking idiot. Did you actually read what I wrote? Hey man, you're free to like whatever you want. Likewise, I'm free to say you've got an awful sense of humor, or that you're just a fucking jackass.

      Man, it's actually people like you that better fit the "ultra sensitives" mold. I'm a little too old and have seen a little too much shit to fit that category myself. Go cry somewhere else.

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  3. Well by koan · · Score: 0

    My outrage is reserved for the likes of the Murdoch clans criminal behavior not for piracy.

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    "If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
  4. Hypothetical legal question by Michael+Woodhams · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If ITV Digital was a publicly traded company
    And it has ceased to exist due to bankruptcy
    And the bankruptcy proceedings have been all wound up
    And the allegations against BSkyB are true
    And BSkyB can be successfully sued for large damages for what they did to ITV Digital

    Who could bring such a suit? How would the proceeds be distributed? The obvious candidates are ITV Digital's creditors (who got paid less than they were owed) and ITV Digital's shareholders. However, it won't always be clear who owns those shares and bad debts, as they've been assumed to have zero value, so haven't been tracked since the end of bankruptcy.

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    1. Re:Hypothetical legal question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

          It doesn't matter if they are public or private. Anyone who lost because of illegal conduct would be able to sue. It's a slam dunk if criminal guilt by BSkyB is proven

      .

    2. Re:Hypothetical legal question by maadmole · · Score: 1

      Perhaps coincidence, but News Corp is selling its stake in NDS to Cisco, whose pockets are certainly deep enough to attract litigation.

    3. Re:Hypothetical legal question by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1

      Perhaps coincidence, but News Corp is selling its stake in NDS to Cisco, whose pockets are certainly deep enough to attract litigation.

      Heh... I read that as "Cisco, whose packets are certainly deep enough"

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    4. Re:Hypothetical legal question by c · · Score: 1

      > Who could bring such a suit?

      Former ITV Digital customers might have a pretty good class-action lawsuit.

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    5. Re:Hypothetical legal question by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 1

      I believe the majority of shares were owned by Granada TV & Carlton.

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    6. Re:Hypothetical legal question by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 1

      Also the Company I worked for back then has was one of their45 creditors so might be able to track that line however that firm went under about 3 years ago :(

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      Build a Man a Fire, and He'll Be Warm for a Day. Set a Man on Fire, and He'll Be Warm for the Rest of His Life.

  5. WAKEUP! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    These stories of corporate evil have been posted on Slashdot since 1997. You'd think these issues of corporate responsibility and malfeasance would have been solved already. It's been 15 years already people! The same old corporate corruption, everyday, for 15 years!

    It reminds me of that movie Groundhog Day. Every day its the same old shit. But at least in the fiction of the movie, things got better, and the Bill Murray eventually got laid.

    Reference:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groundhog_Day_(film)

    1. Re:WAKEUP! by XDirtypunkX · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Unfortunately no one has invented a vaccine for being an ass-hat. Until someone does, these things will continue.

    2. Re:WAKEUP! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the question we all need to ask is..

      What /is/ an ass-hat? Is it a hat made of regular material that one wears on their ass? or is it a hat that has been made out of somebody's ass to be worn on one's head? Or perhaps the evil combination of someone's ass being crafted into a hat, to be worn on the ass? No, that's ridiculous - if that were a thing, it'd be called a double-ass-hat.

    3. Re:WAKEUP! by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      These stories of corporate evil have been posted on Slashdot since 1997. You'd think these issues of corporate responsibility and malfeasance would have been solved already.

      Sigh, I'd love to be young again.

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      And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
    4. Re:WAKEUP! by N+Monkey · · Score: 1

      It reminds me of that movie Groundhog Day. Every day its the same old shit. But at least in the fiction of the movie, things got better, and the Bill Murray eventually got laid.

      No, he eventually became a good person. His character actually got laid before that ("[she] makes noises like a chipmunk when she gets *real* excited") but he still hadn't learned his lesson by that stage.
      The question is whether the Murdochs are planning a trip to Punxsutawney.

    5. Re:WAKEUP! by bfandreas · · Score: 1

      In my experience an ass has two cheeks. Only a few unfortunate few have one or three. So the number two is inherent to the assness of the ass. So I'll base this on a posteriori experience in the Aristotelian sense.

      Now let's examine the other object in question using the same method. A hat's pupose is to be worn on the head. So one would assume that an ass-hat is an object made from people's posteriors and formed into a hat.

      So in conclusion we are talking about an actual hat or possibly, deducing by the use of the word, an ass-hat wearer.

      In which case the vaccine is blindingly obvious. A hat stand and a firm policy of not wearing hats indoors.

      That'd make you look like an ass-hat.

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    6. Re:WAKEUP! by Ginger+Unicorn · · Score: 1

      They have invented a vaccine for being an ass-hat. Accountability and transparency. If you know people are watching what you are doing and that there are consequences for doing what they dissaprove of, then you don't do it.

      There are a lot of people working tirelessly around the world attempting to administer this vaccine, but unfortunately in most cases the patient needs to be restrained and forcibly injected, which is slowing the process down somewhat.

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    7. Re:WAKEUP! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ur not 1 of them so quit acting as if u are. Ur all talk, nothing more.

  6. Has anyone else noticed,...? by drmofe · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...the close resemblance between Rupert Murdoch and Emperor Palpatine...?

    1. Re:Has anyone else noticed,...? by jfengel · · Score: 4, Funny

      Given that this:

      https://www.google.com/search?q=Rupert+Murdoch+and+Emperor+Palpatine

      yields 16,000 results, I'm gonna go with "yes".

    2. Re:Has anyone else noticed,...? by rtb61 · · Score: 2

      I always felt this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKwk1ko6ceQ was the closet match for Rupert Murdoch. Just picture him screaming from the other side of the TV screen via the Fox not-news network. Just so damn creepily accurate. Pretending to be on your side, as he peddles nothing but fear and hate, all the while scheming to steal your sole in the guise of the religious right.

      Not just the appearance by the whole package, the psychopathic preacher peddling redemption but instead leading you to damnation and hell on earth.

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    3. Re:Has anyone else noticed,...? by femto · · Score: 2
    4. Re:Has anyone else noticed,...? by Xtifr · · Score: 2

      Well, given that all the first-page results from Murdoch+Palpatine are about their surprising similarity, while all the first-page results from Murdoch+Furter are about Rocky Horror showing on channels that Murdoch owns, I'm going to say...not much. :)

    5. Re:Has anyone else noticed,...? by Boscrossos · · Score: 1

      Awww, not my sole! I just had that meuniered.

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    6. Re:Has anyone else noticed,...? by bfandreas · · Score: 1

      Thank god! No Rupert in stockings!

      Oh noes! Now rule 34 applies! Must ... gauge out ... inner eye

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      20 minutes into the future
    7. Re:Has anyone else noticed,...? by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1

      Given that this:

      https://www.google.com/search?q=Rupert+Murdoch+and+Emperor+Palpatine

      yields 16,000 results, I'm gonna go with "yes".

      murdoch darth vader gives 1,220,000.

      murdoch dick gives 9,080,000, but that ventures way beyond relevance.

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      Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
    8. Re:Has anyone else noticed,...? by dkleinsc · · Score: 1

      Also, we also know that Palpatine is actually Sen Joe Lieberman:
      https://www.google.com/search?q=Joe+Lieberman+and+Senator+Palpatine

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  7. Well known, even on Slashdot, hardly news now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    NDS card hacking has been well known for a long time. They spent a year with some 30 guys using electron microscopes to reverse engineer their competitor's cards. When they published each new revision, they destroyed the Dish network's profitability for years, and everyone else using their competitor's technology. NDS mades the cards for DirecTV. They actually rate the security of their chips in electron-microscope years. This is well known, and well known that NDS and DirecTV are more Murdoch properties. I'm sure the people who have been discussing this for years are not surprised by the phone hacking scandal, which is like comparing pre-school with ... electron microscope school?

    1. Re:Well known, even on Slashdot, hardly news now by YesIAmAScript · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I thought this had come and gone already. There were even lawsuits over it IIRC.

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    2. Re:Well known, even on Slashdot, hardly news now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cracking Direct TV cards was the best cat and mouse hacker game ever until DMCA came around. The money I made from my bootloader was just icing on the cake. It was well know in the hacker circles that the big boys hacked each others cards. The code posted on DR7 for the H-card allowed me to make the bootloader.

      BoyHowdy

    3. Re:Well known, even on Slashdot, hardly news now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm sure the people who have been discussing this for years are not surprised by the phone hacking scandal, which is like comparing pre-school with ... electron microscope school?

      This.

      The boring story is about Murdoch's recent scandals. The interesting story is what, if any, complicity there was between two competing businesses, using the reverse-engineers as pawns (and whether or not the reversers knew they were pawns!) in a much larger chess game.

    4. Re:Well known, even on Slashdot, hardly news now by agentgonzo · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I thought this had come and gone already. There were even lawsuits over it IIRC.

      Yeah, there were. Two were dropped when NewsCorp acquired the parent companies many years later and the third closed a couple of weeks ago finding NDS guilty on just one technicality and cleared of the rest. Echostar (Dish) won $1,000 in damages and were forced to pay $18M in costs, but when has the outcome of a court-case been as sensational as exposés? Strange that the BBC/guardian articles about this fail to mention the court cases that have been ongoing for a decade.

    5. Re:Well known, even on Slashdot, hardly news now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do realize that NewsCorp was playing both sides, right? The guy they hired and used against the hackers was also the savior of the hackers (the Big Gun). Big Gun (Chris Tarnovsky) gave the code to DR7 (Al Menard). The real insiders even knew when the attacks would happen ahead of time. It was actually funny to read how it all went down after the fact.

  8. Re:"Handbag vs Something Online" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You know how I know you've never been to /d/ ?

  9. News Corp Caught Hacking in US by Required+Snark · · Score: 5, Informative
    News Corp already has a track record of computer crime in the US in 2004.

    News America Marketing, the division of News Corp. that was going head-to-head with Floorgraphics, later admitted that someone in its office had illicitly accessed its competitor’s password-protected website. But an internal investigation, as well as subsequent probes by the FBI and the Secret Service, failed to pinpoint the person responsible.

    Years later, after Floorgraphics’ lawsuit against News Corp. was settled and Henderson had received what he called a handsome exit payout, he openly talked about getting a peek at Floorgraphics’ forthcoming ad campaigns. Henderson’s co-workers didn't always know how much faith to put in their boss’s claims, but he certainly wasn’t one to mince words.

    “He admitted he had information from inside Floorgraphics’ computer system. He knew how to get into their passwords,” one former News America staffer told New York. "He said he had the blessings of his bosses."

    This incident followed the same pattern as the News of the World phone hacking scandal. An overly aggressive manager broke the law and was rewarded, and News Corp crushed the competition. When the bad deeds were found out the internal investigation was a joke:

    As for News Corp.’s internal investigation, he concluded that it “falls far short of any standards in this area." The company made a cursory check of Henderson’s e-mail — “The only search conducted was a limited Outlook 'find' command" — but Cats concluded the company never interviewed Henderson or any other employees. Nor did it preserve a record of the investigation.

    Then for some strange reason when the authorities investigate they decide not to press criminal charges (can you say political pressure, i knew you could). In the final stage, there is a civil case and it is settled out of court. In this case the total payout was $650 million. Note this figure includes some other wrongdoing besides the Floorgraphics case.

    This is exactly what happened in the News of the World scandal, until The Guardian newspaper in England did some investigation and found out how massive the phone hacking was. Given these two cases, one in the US and one in the UK, what are the odds that News Corp is blameless in this situation.

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  10. Welcome to 2002? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1
    1. Re:Welcome to 2002? by agentgonzo · · Score: 1

      Yes, they did. It went on a bit and eventually got dropped. The only active case (echostar) was found in favour of NDS a few weeks ago (http://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2012/03/19/nds-receives-18m-in-echostar-damages/).

  11. Rupert Murdoch likes Pringles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So all those rumors about Procter and Gamble being a satanic organization might be true after all...

  12. mirror,... by harvey+the+nerd · · Score: 1

    Mirror, Mirror on the wall
    Who's the biggest crook of all?

    1. Re:mirror,... by bfandreas · · Score: 1

      A mirror is the last object I would consult on these matters. It is bound to go horribly wrong.

      Besides, we've got TV for that nowadays. With a little bit of luck, although it is quite unlikely, you may get a glimpse of him. For some reason news programmes don't show true crooks anymore even if that is what they were created for.

      So you might actually be onto something with your mirror method. At least in one case it is bound to give the right information.

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  13. Just goes to show by jamstar7 · · Score: 2

    If you're a big corporation, piracy is a Good Thing, especially if it takes down a rival corporation.

    But if you or I download 1 song 'illegally', it's 250,000 in fines and five years in pound-them-in-the-ass prison.

    Have I got this right?

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    1. Re:Just goes to show by damburger · · Score: 1

      Yep

      They draw up a definition of property that is enitirely contrary to common sense, and use it as a pretext to brutalise people in the name of sticking up for their 'rights'

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  14. Give him the Megaupload treatment by RelaxedTension · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There is clear signs of piracy, that was intentional. Close down ALL of it, all the newspapers, the tv stations, everything, and sort it out in court first.

    Thats what they did to Megaupload, fair is fair.

    1. Re:Give him the Megaupload treatment by jpapon · · Score: 2

      I like the idea, but in practice you would be punishing thousands (tens of thousands?) of people who had nothing to do with this.

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    2. Re:Give him the Megaupload treatment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      True. Ok, so let all the Megauoload users get their data back. Then shut everything down again. Oh, wait, did you mean _News Corp_ people who had nothing to do with it? Hmm, guess I have to think about whether my sympathy extends that far.

    3. Re:Give him the Megaupload treatment by blarkon · · Score: 1

      I'm confused. I thought piracy never hurt anyone. How could someone go out of business because of it? Stupid cognitive dissonance!

    4. Re:Give him the Megaupload treatment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just like nukes on a city, or closing off trading borders with entire countries, or killing off natives, and many more.

      All of these people were innocent besides the minority vocal and defensive groups.
      Did the innocent people deserve these things?

      I left BSkyB. Never looked back. They flat-out accused me of having 3 boxes in our house, threatening cut-off unless I plugged their stupid micro-filters in that quite blatantly never worked and killed the connection regardless, over-charging constantly.
      They are scum.

    5. Re:Give him the Megaupload treatment by Spad · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because there wasn't any collateral damage in the Megaupload case?

    6. Re:Give him the Megaupload treatment by bfandreas · · Score: 1

      No, in this case something we hold dear to our heart was touched indecently by Rupert Murdoch. If you look at it from this angle then it is a case of molestation and that's why we are up in arms.
      WILL YOU NOT THINK OF THE ARRRRR?

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    7. Re:Give him the Megaupload treatment by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1

      I'm confused. I thought piracy never hurt anyone. How could someone go out of business because of it? Stupid cognitive dissonance!

      Consumers steal; corporations just look after their investors' interests.

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    8. Re:Give him the Megaupload treatment by Savage-Rabbit · · Score: 2

      There is clear signs of piracy, that was intentional. Close down ALL of it, all the newspapers, the tv stations, everything, and sort it out in court first.

      <sarcasm>
      I'm confused... Legions upon legions of Slashdot readers have conclusively shown during endless discussions over the last few years that piracy in general is a completely victimless activity. Ergo: ITV is just whining about nothing and whatever Murdoch's corporate goons did in terms of piracy cannot possibly have caused any economic harm to ITV Digital in any way shape or form. This should be a slam dunk case, just get our resident experts in the economics of digital piracy to testify on behalf of Murdoch's NewsCorp. Surely the basic axiom that piracy is a victimless activity does not become invalid just because NewsCorp is doing the cracking and pirating?
      </sarcasm>

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    9. Re:Give him the Megaupload treatment by garyok · · Score: 1

      Not really. The Astra fleet at 28.2 deg E also relays the Freesat channels. No dish realignment needed, just a new decoder (cheap ones start at £13). They'd lose Sky channels and all that but that's just the Simpsons, Cops and a load of other Fox crap. Dunno how losing that rubbish from your life counts as losing out. Plus, it's not like Sky customers in the UK are unaware of Murdoch's machinations - they just don't care. If they close down his businesses here, the subscribers have gained a salutary lesson in choosing the businesses they support.

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    10. Re:Give him the Megaupload treatment by jimicus · · Score: 1

      Sky will not, in a million years, be forcibly closed down. No chance.

      What **might** happen is Murdoch's family being forced to sell a large number of their shares in BSkyB.

  15. Re:Rupert Murdoch is a pirate by DanielRavenNest · · Score: 2

    We know he's a pirate because he distributes file sharing software: http://www.fileplanet.com/73/0/0/0/1/section/File_Sharing

    Scroll to the bottom and note it's operated by IGN Entertainment. Then check who owns IGN: http://corp.ign.com/about/

    That's right, News Corp, Murdoch's company.

  16. Too big to jail by petes_PoV · · Score: 4, Insightful

    if he ever really goes down, he'll take a few politicians down with him

    And that's his protection, right there. All the politicos in a lot of countries know that if they investigate his companies too deeply they'll uncover such a can of politically interconnected worms that their governments would have to relocate to the nearest jail.

    He's been in so deep for so long that no major party would come out with clean hands, or be able to "cast the first stone". He knows it, they all know it and are just hoping that the media knows it too.

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    1. Re:Too big to jail by Spad · · Score: 5, Informative

      If only there were some kind of independent judicial inquiry currently in progress that was investigating the culture, practice & ethics of the press...

      At this point it's virtually impossible for politicians, at least in the UK, to avoid looking into anything involving News International or other new media organisations. Any attempt to deflect attention from allegations such as this would be met with a very nasty response from their voters.

      In retrospect, the fact that it took the hacking and possible manipulation of a murdered girl's voicemail to get people to pay attention is a little depressing, but at least now they are paying attention.

    2. Re:Too big to jail by tehcyder · · Score: 2

      This is not insightful, see the reply below. News International/Corporation/the Murdochs are going to be taken apart in the UK. There are enough politicians and others who hate the Murdochs to follow this through for as long as it takes, and as it is in the public interest to uncover crooked police/politicians this story is not going to go away.

      I, for one, look forward to the day when James Murdoch is flown back to the UK in leg irons and forced to testify against his father to save his own skin from a twenty stretch. Hopefully at that point Rebekah Brooks, David Cameron and a few other fucktards will be joining him in prison.

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    3. Re:Too big to jail by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      That protection is not necessarily absolute.

      http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2003/nov/24/mondaymediasection6

  17. RTFA by Xest · · Score: 5, Informative

    "And what about all the nerds that actually did it? It's not like he sat around writing code himself. What about their (existent?) scruples? Did they know who paid them or wonder why? Did they just ignore those questions so long as they could?"

    None of that happened. The company that made the decryption cards was owned 50% by News International, and it made cards for Sky, and competitors like ITV's On Digital. Murdoch was a non-executive director at the company then this happened too.

    There was no hacking, the company that made the cards was leaking the decryption keys, likely at the behest of James Murdoch/News International who had such a stake in the company.

    1. Re:RTFA by s0litaire · · Score: 1

      NDS (HQ based in Israel) makes the "smart cards" for all the Murdoch companies that require Smart card technology.

      ITV Digital / On Digital used smart cards made by Canal+ (A French company).

      Canal+ took NDS/Murdoch to court in 2002 accusing them of leaking the French companies data to Pirate websites.
      Murdoch settled out of court by agreeing to buy some of Canal+'s non-profitable properties.

      Also check out Echostar (Dish Network). NDS did the EXACT same thing to their smart card technology, Echostar took them to court and NDS was found guilty. But jury did not award the $1billion EchoStar was claiming instead they got $100 (yup from 1 billion down to 100 dollars!!) for 2 breached of Californian penal code.

      http://www.multichannel.com/article/133249-EchoStar_Wins_Battle_Loses_War_In_News_Corp_Unit_Piracy_Case.php

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    2. Re:RTFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The Echostar thing actually just ended with Echostar paying $18.9 million to NDS in damages
      http://www.twice.com/article/482033-EchoStar_Payment_Ends_NDS_Lawsuit.php

  18. Are you against DRM or for it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe you slashbots decide at last...

  19. Wrong. by ausrob · · Score: 1

    'There is no difference from going into a store and stealing a packet of Pringles or a handbag, and stealing something online. Right?'"

    One [obvious] and distinct difference: physical deprivation of property. If someone steals a handbag, the lawful owner no longer possesses it (theft). If someone copies a file, the original is not removed, nor does the rightful owner lose possession (presumably).

    1. Re:Wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From your point of view someone stealing your banking data is harmless (because you don't lose possession: you still have this data and the card too). Think again dude ...

    2. Re:Wrong. by ausrob · · Score: 1

      It's not my point of view. I'm just pointing out the flaw in Packer's statement.

    3. Re:Wrong. by tomhath · · Score: 1

      There is no flaw in Packer's statement. Theft does not need to involve "physical deprivation"; theft of intellectual property or private data is still theft.

    4. Re:Wrong. by ausrob · · Score: 2

      It's a different kind of theft, different ramifications. You can't compare stealing a physical good to stealing personal data. What's he is comparing isn't apples and apples. They're different laws, different acts, different outcomes. Look it up.

  20. Businesses going bust because of piracy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You must be corporate shills!!!

  21. Surprised? by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    Seriously, there is a lot of evidence that the system is being gamed to simply keep the falling companies on top. Murdoch is just one. The labels are right up there as well. No doubt if we look, we will find the *IAA's are up to their own BS as well.

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  22. What's it like to work for Murdoch? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What's it like where money matters above all else, nepotism abounds and professional ambition transcends all known ethics? Let me tell you.

    I've been an employee of NewsCorp for the last 4-5 years. I stay with them because they offer the best compensation in my field, security in this recession, and yet we have our differences. On many occasions I've defended my employer and media outlets, mainly Fox News by saying, "I may not agree with the narrative but no one can say it's not a commercial success." Each business unit only worries about the bottom line, and not a soul has the well being of the U.S. and it's future in mind. Now it's starting to bother me.

    Rupert Murdoch may be more feared by his employees than Steve Jobs ever was. Instead of a razor sharp focus on perfection and simplicity, Murdoch works his media holdings like a venture capitalist, his political influence like the dirtiest lobbyist, and just doesn't seem to 'get' the web and social media. This old-fashioned media tycoon acquires, prunes and drives companies and their talent to exact his will.

    The pressure on his people shows. Employing very creative accounting (tax havens), phone hacking and leveraging threats of media smear campaigns, NewsCorp employees cross ethical boundaries more often than Rupert crosses time zones. It's no secret he enjoys the power he wields. On the editorial conferences he attends, on the way he treats political enemies, competitors and anyone else that dare disagree, it is striking from the inside.

    Rupert has always shown his considerable ego, from the (good for all of the British press) breaking of the print unions in Wapping to his new rambling outlet, Twitter (@rupertmurdoch) . This 80 year old man tweets solo from his iPad, attacking Google, President Obama and others, all the while disregarding his plethora of Lawyers, PR entourage and social media experts. But that's the thing. He doesn't care. He's an old, angry, ballsy billionaire with mostly incompetent, disappointing children who is set on nothing more than doing what he and he alone wants for the rest of his life. I would say his tireless work has earned him that privilege if his empire wasn't pro-SOPA, against LGBT and other rights, constantly polarizing America and driving the Republican Party farther right than I ever predicted. The national dialogue has turned into a screaming match and I know who to thank.

    With Roger Ailes as his Dick Cheney, Murdoch has incredible control over conservatives. 'Fair and Balanced' stopped being a funny joke years ago. I never thought I would live in a country where science was laughed at on the news, calling the sitting President a Communist was acceptable, or where a GOP candidate has no chance without the backing of Ailes, Czar of Fox News.

    This might be the future, where only money matters, your voicemail isn't safe and anything can happen when dirty police officers get their take. It might be, but I don't like it.

    1. Re:What's it like to work for Murdoch? by cornjones · · Score: 1

      mod parent up

    2. Re:What's it like to work for Murdoch? by Hatta · · Score: 1

      What's it like where money matters above all else, nepotism abounds and professional ambition transcends all known ethics? Let me tell you.

      Business as usual in America.

      This might be the future, where only money matters, your voicemail isn't safe and anything can happen when dirty police officers get their take. It might be, but I don't like it.

      The future? This is the present!

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  23. Coloquial Deutsch by flyneye · · Score: 1

    Kinder, ist die heutige Wort; Schadenfreudegasm.
    Was für ein Schrei! Ich bin, es zu meinem Wortschatz Deutsch auf einmal.

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    1. Re:Coloquial Deutsch by Sique · · Score: 1

      Interesting Google Translate :)

      (Kinder, das Wort des Tages: Schadenfreudegasmus.
      Was für ein Brüller! Ich werde es zu meinem Wortschatz Deutsch packen.)

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  24. Quote from Neil Chenoweth by Kevin108 · · Score: 1

    "Listen, all of y'all, this is sabotage."

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  25. Funny how things work in cycles by oshkrozz · · Score: 2

    All I can think of is how in 1577 Queen Elizabeth gave financial backing to pirates in the Caribbean to break the Spanish hold in the area at the same time publicly being very against the whole idea (why yes you would be hanged as a pirate if you were caught without the secret papers). This is not any different (well except that in this case no one was actually hung). It does put a different view on everything overall how a large company actually can benefit from some well placed and promoted piracy.

  26. Are Slashdot users torn? Nope! by brian0918 · · Score: 1

    Who do we support? The people behind Fox News who just wanted "information to be free" - or the companies who were trying to protect their intellectual "property"? Which is it?!

    Apparently, thanks to compartmentalization, Slashdotters are fine with supporting IP in this instance, if it means bringing down Murdoch.

  27. Old news is new again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is old news.

    NDS has been doing this since at least 1997. It has been dox http://www.out-law.com/page-2439 before.

    Oh wait its ok since it bashes Monty Burns / Fox notsonews

    and I am a libtard FYI

    Just be fair and balanced ok?

  28. But, but, but by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 1

    Piracy never hurts anyone! I know it has to be true because that is what I keep seeing people say here on Slashdot!

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  29. Mod this way up by tekrat · · Score: 1

    Parent is completely on target, and this may be the most insightful post ever written on Slashdot.

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  30. All the more reason by microbox · · Score: 3, Interesting

    All the more reason to make an example out of Murdoch. What type of society do you want to live in? One where the powerful break the law and cow politicians by endlessly propagandising the public? The Murdoch's probably think of themselves as stand-up guys, but they have caused so much harm that it is an embarrassment to a civilised society. Jobs said that Murdoch should think about his legacy, like somehow the karma boggie-man will do something about his behaviour. I would put more faith in jail-time for serial malfeasance.

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    1. Re:All the more reason by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What type of society do you want to live in? One where the powerful break the law and cow politicians by endlessly propagandising the public?

      I, for one, do not want to live in a society that jails people for what other people consider propaganda. That's a tyrannical dictatorship in the making.

      Every time you propose a splendid new power for the government, you need to ask yourself if you would want the opposing political party to wield the same power.

    2. Re:All the more reason by doston · · Score: 1

      What type of society do you want to live in? One where the powerful break the law and cow politicians by endlessly propagandising the public?

      I, for one, do not want to live in a society that jails people for what other people consider propaganda. That's a tyrannical dictatorship in the making. Every time you propose a splendid new power for the government, you need to ask yourself if you would want the opposing political party to wield the same power.

      Your tone assume "the government" can never be "the people". While the government does not represent the people at the moment, all the people have to do is take it back. Assuming that eventually happens, I have no problem giving the people *sweeping* power to smack these corporate schmucks down; up to and including ending the modern corporation as we know it. It's high time for a complete rethink.

  31. By definition there can be no collatoral damage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because there wasn't any collateral damage in the Megaupload case?

    Collatoral damage would require damage. Closing down every Murdoch outlet and unemploying his minions would cause no damage. Yes, the minions are damaged, but that is no more "collatoral damage" than a dead Taliban is collatoral damage when you target a Taliban safehouse to take them out. They are the rot, their removal is a net improvementm and certainly not "collatoral".

    Thus, no collatoral damage. No, the reason for the double-standard has to do with political connections and right-leaning institutions, not "collatoral damage." (All screams of "liberal bias" notwithstanding. The only thing with a liberal bias are facts and reality, not the institutions and politicians that coddle the likes of Rupert Murdoch and his filthy son.)

  32. Nonlegal answer: Eye for an Eye by pavon · · Score: 1

    I know this answer is has nothing to do with the civil law question you asked, but I think eye for an eye would be a very appropriate response to the antitrust aspect of their actions. Since it is difficult to gauge the actual level of harm caused by their actions, I think the fairest response is to make them suffer the same fate. If they were leaking this information for X years, rule that all broadcast, satellite and streaming encryption keys for all Murdoc media must be freely available for the next X years.

  33. No need to compartmentalize by pavon · · Score: 1

    It is easy to reconcile those two ideas. The problem was the asymmetry of the IP protection. If Murdoc was also leaking the encryption keys for his companies, then there wouldn't be an antitrust issue, as both companies would have been competing on the same footing. So a good punitive action is to force him to just that. Cognitive dissonance be gone.

    Note that I don't actually think that it is okay to pirate (in most cases), and definitely don't support theft of service. I'm just pointing out that there is more to the issue than IP.

  34. Piracy is piracy! Not theft! by The123king · · Score: 0

    'There is no difference from going into a store and stealing a packet of Pringles or a handbag, and stealing something online. Right?'

    Bulls**t.

    Piracy is piracy. Theft is the physical act of stealing the original. Piracy is like trying to steal the hypothetical packet of Pringles, but the Pringles are still there.

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