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Student Expelled From Indiana High School For Tweeting Profanity

First time accepted submitter OopsIDied writes with the story that high-school senior Austin Carroll of Garrett, Indiana was recently expelled after tweeting profanity from his own home, writing "Supposedly the school has a system which tracks students' social networks after they have logged in at school. Although the tweet was done at home at 2 AM, the school decided that such behavior was unacceptable and that the most fitting punishment was expulsion. He did use a school computer, but it was set up to use the school network even when used outside the school because the school claimed the tweet was associated with the school's IP address." As usual, TechDirt has some biting commentary about the expulsion. But Hey, at least they didn't throw him in jail.

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  1. Step up that Expulsion by residieu · · Score: 5, Informative

    Sounds like the school is really behind. They need to get themselves in gear and expel the 90% of the student body that says "fuck" on a daily basis in the halls, in the cafeteria and on the buses.

    1. Re:Step up that Expulsion by MatthewCCNA · · Score: 5, Funny

      this gives me an idea for a device that would use speech recognition to detect profanities. it could be an android pda in a box, rigged with a flashing light and a siren that would go off if they detected a profanity.

      John Spartan, you are fined five credits for repeated violations of the verbal morality statute.

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  2. High school student != Expert by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They can enforce the rules as they wish (just like employers). Student should have used a private ISP, instead of the government-owned school network.

    Perhaps. But should a high school student have been expected to know this?

    Maybe they should have opted for jailing him for life. After all, isn't tweeting "fuck" an incitement to the masses to commit rape?

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    1. Re:High school student != Expert by TheCarp · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You are sidestepping the real question though. He should know not to use it on the school network (whatever profanity is.... silly concept anyway) but... is it right to expect him to know that he is, indeed, on the school network vs home. Clearly he has a home internet connection.

      I mean, for me with work, its easy. I am either connected to the VPN or not, and if I am, then its all through their netowork... but I do this shit for a living...I am not even sure if people outside of the IT department understand this.... but... a HS kid is expected to?

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    2. Re:High school student != Expert by residieu · · Score: 5, Informative

      Where does it say it was school equipment? The linked article mentions "Carroll says he doesn't think he should be punished by the school for what he posts on his own time and on his own computer. " and I find no other mention of the computer's ownership.

    3. Re:High school student != Expert by GmExtremacy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      not as a swear word directed at somebody or something.

      I don't really care if it was directed at someone. What happened? Why do some people seem to have this mentality that someone getting offended will bring about the apocalypse?

    4. Re:High school student != Expert by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yes a student should know not to use profanity on the school network, just as he knows not to use it in the school building. (IMHO)

      Because, heretofore, using four letter words at school was an unheard of atrocity that would have surprised even dear old mom, right?

      Come on. I think I learned the f-bomb well before second grade. He wasn't selling drugs, carrying weapons, threatening a teacher, or being a repeat offender of general delinquency. He didn't even do it at school so you can't argue he was disrupting class. Expulsion is way over the top, this is worth a letter home to mom and dad, with the exact text of his message included.

      The most extreme, maybe they should sue him for stealing George Carlin's material.

    5. Re:High school student != Expert by jasomill · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Even if the AUP forbids it, who cares? In what fucked-up world could "a system which tracks students' social networks after they have logged in at school" even arguably be a responsible use funds earmarked for education?

      Also, given that the student's transgression required special technological measures merely to detect, how could it possibly be argued that it fucked with the school's educational mission to a degree that merits such a "last resort" as expulsion?

      Then again, while it's hard to imagine this being the idea, "don't trust technology you don't control, and don't enter into agreements you don't understand, because they'll be used to fuck you in the end" might be a more useful lesson than those he's missing.

  3. No... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Using profanity in the halls, cafeteria, and buses is safe, because such incidents are not visible to parents, school board members, or the general public.

    Twitter, however, is visible to the whole world, so anything undesirable must be just as visibly punished.

  4. Re:It's their network by rtfa-troll · · Score: 5, Funny

    He fucking did fucking use his fucking home network as you would fucking know if you had just fucking read the fucking article about his fucking post containing fucking lots of use of the fucking word fucking.

    First amendment indeed.

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  5. Who cares? by webheaded · · Score: 5, Insightful

    All issues of who own what aside, honestly, who gives a fuck what the kid said unless it was like...death threats? Seriously...why would you expel someone for using profanity in the first place? A stern talking to, perhaps, but expulsion for this? Good lord.

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  6. Re:precedents have been established by oracleguy01 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Actually this is interesting, the school has clearly established the punishment for doing this. So the easy way to protest this would be get a sizable percentage of the student body to swear on their twitter accounts. What is the school going to do? Expel 30+% of their student body? If they did, it would make national headlines and the people that run that school would become a laughing stock. It would also energize the debate enough where we could finally sort this out. And if they don't expel them, they can't expel this student.

  7. Oblig by Cobralisk · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm sure you've all heard this before, but it bears repeating here:

    Perhaps one of the most interesting words in the English language today, is the word fuck. Out of all the English words that begin with the letter 'f' ...fuck is the only word referred to as 'the f word... It's the one magical word. Just by its sound can describe pain, pleasure, hate and love. Fuck, as most words in the English language is derived from German ...the word fuieken, which means to strike.

    In English, fuck falls into many grammatical categories:

    As a transitive verb for instance.. John fucked Shirley.
    As an intransitive verb... Shirley fucks.

    Its meaning is not always sexual, it can be used as...

    An adjective such as... John's doing all the fucking work.
    As part of an adverb... Shirley talks too fucking much.
    As an adverb enhancing an adjective... Shirley is fucking beautiful.
    As a noun... I don't give a fuck.
    As part of a word... absofuckinglutely -or- infuckingcredible.
    And as almost every word in a sentence... Fuck the fucking fuckers.

    As you must realize, there aren't too many words with the versatility of fuck...such as these examples describing situations such as:

    Fraud: I got fucked at the used car lot.
    Dismay: ahhh fuck it.
    Trouble: I guess I'm really fucked now.
    Aggression: Don't fuck with me buddy.
    Difficulty: I don't understand this fucking question.
    Inquiry: Who the fuck was that?
    Dissatisfaction: I don't like what the fuck is going on here.
    Incompetence: He's a fuck-off.
    Dismissal: Why don't you go outside and play hide and go fuck yourself...

    I'm sure you can think of many more examples.

    With all these multi-purpose applications, how can anyone be offended when you use the word. We say use this unique, flexible word more often in your daily speech.

    It will identify the quality of your character immediately.

    Say it loudly and proudly: FUCK YOU!

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  8. The school was SPYING on his PRIVATE ACCOUNT by TheSpoom · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Remember kids, wiretap laws and the Bill of Rights don't apply to you when you're enrolled in school.

    Anyone agreeing with the school here really needs to read TFA (specifically the TechDirt article). Apparently he Tweeted while at home, and the school had a system set up that tracked all Twitter logins, recording all Tweets on those accounts. The kid must have logged in subsequently to posting the Tweet, and their spy system picked it up.

    I mean, what the fuck. The school is literally spying on its students' private accounts. I bet their system picked up Direct Messages too, all in the name of anti-bullying. I really hope this kid calls the ACLU and gets this shut the hell down. This is a huge violation of his and the other students' rights. If he had posted the Tweet from the school it may have been slightly different but still an overreaction. This is outright wiretapping, unauthorized use of an account, a declaration that students' private lives are subject to the school's rules... what the hell is going on here?

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  9. Contact them if you are outraged by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Phone 260.357.4114 press 3 for the principle's office

  10. Original Story by cforciea · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here's the original local story:

    http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20120325/LOCAL0201/303259931

    It appears the confusion all over the place here derives from the fact that there were two separate incidents. First, last year, he used school equipment to post a profane tweet and was suspended. Then, recently, he posted the above linked profane tweet, but it was from home, on his own computer, not on the school's network at all. They just saw it because they were examining his Twitter account because of the last incident.

    Hopefully that clears up some of the confusion.