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Why Are Fantasy World Accents British?

kodiaktau writes "An interesting article from the BBC News Magazine explores the reasons why most fantasy worlds use British as their primary accent. Citing specific examples from recent and upcoming shows and movies like Lord of The Rings, The Hobbit and Game of Thrones, the article concludes British accents are 'sufficiently exotic,' 'comprehensible' and have a 'splash of otherness.' It would be odd to think of a fantasy world having a New Jersey accent, or even a Mid-West accent, which tends to be the default for TV and movies in the U.S., but how do UK viewers feel about having British as a default? More specifically, what about the range of UK accents, like Scottish, Welsh, Cockney? The International Dialects of English Archive shows at least nine regional sounds, with dozens of sub-regional pronunciations in England alone. In the U.S., there have always been many regional accents that might be used in interesting ways. Filmmakers should consider looking at speech accents from other areas of the world to create more interesting dialects."

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  1. Abstraction by bigtomrodney · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have to agree with this article, I've always assumed it was just the American preconception of "old worlde". Different enough to be remote but still in the same language.

    On the other hand as an Irishman I often find it hard to find escapism in Irish TV and to a lesser extent, film. The familiarity of it all doesn't work as well while on the other hand so much of our media is American that even when I visit the USA there is an element of otherworldliness about the whole experience.

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    1. Re:Abstraction by operagost · · Score: 4, Informative

      Bugs Bunny has a Brooklyn accent.

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    2. Re:Abstraction by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well a lot of the fantasy films have a medieval themes to them. So it make sense that they would have an English accent. Because American, Australian, Canadian... Accents are post Medieval times, so you want to have an accent from an area that experience the medieval culture. You could use an accent from an other nation however. Their accent is more from not naively speaking the English language and putting their native languages inflections into the language. So for a movie that is in English British English will seem the most authentic.

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    3. Re:Abstraction by Tassach · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I have to agree with this article, I've always assumed it was just the American preconception of "old worlde". Different enough to be remote but still in the same language.

      This is exactly why Tolkien chose to render Rohirric as Old English -- Rohirric had roughly the same old-but-understandable relationship to Westron (common speech) as Old English has to Modern English. (Incidentally, this creates one of the biggest challenges in translating LotR to other languages)

      Tolkien was a linguist above all else, and as such was incredibly sensitive to linguistic nuances, something that's lost on most casual readers. Nevertheless, his work has had a huge influence on modern fantasy and sci-fi. Writers (consciously or unconsciously) mimic elements of Tolkien's style without necessarily understanding why he did it that way.

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    4. Re:Abstraction by snowgirl · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But British accents have undergone enormous amounts of mutation as well. In some ways, they have made more changes than American English since Victorian times.

      So, while Americans associate a British accent with what should be appropriate for medieval times, because they're living where the language was spoken during medieval times, the accent being used is still anachronistic, and just as inappropriate as a Jersey accent.

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  2. why do you have a northern accent? by msheekhah · · Score: 5, Funny

    Lots of places have a north.

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  3. Obvious... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Funny

    Do we even need to be asking such an obvious question? British is the foreign language that Americans are most likely to understand...

  4. Old World by SJHillman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For Americans, I would assume it's because we associate fantasy with the Old World because that's where most of our myths and legends originate. And they have castles. And among the Old World, England is our closest tie (as well as speaking the same language). The majority of fantasy settings are basically just medieval-Europe-plus-wizards-and-dragons even if a location isn't given (or it takes place on another world)

  5. Lord of the Rings and the Hobbit are ABOUT England by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Of course the Lord of the Rings and the Hobbit use British accents -- they're written by an English author and are fundamentally ABOUT England (a.k.a. the Shire).

  6. Re:Lord of the Rings and the Hobbit are ABOUT Engl by SJHillman · · Score: 4, Funny

    One does not merely walk into Parliament.

    However, one can try to merely tunnel under Parliament with a good bit of gunpowder...

  7. Re:Simple, really by wjousts · · Score: 4, Funny

    You wouldn't use terms such as "poofter" and "rodgering" unless you were a closest Brit. Admitting it would be the first step towards healing.

  8. Now think in American. by khasim · · Score: 4, Funny

    Imagine The Lord of the Rings where all the Hobbits had Brooklyn accents.

    Other enough to be unusual but still understandable but evoking an entirely different genre (mafia crime drama).

    1. Re:Now think in American. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Remember Rome. They used accents from all over the place (mostly UK variants it has to be said) to give a feeling of being different, but still understandable. It worked really well.

      British accents tend to used for villains too... which could be seen as insulting... but actually is quite flattering when you think about it. Really scary villains are intelligent... really intelligent... and Americans associate British accents with being smart (wrongly, but there it is).

    2. Re:Now think in American. by NEDHead · · Score: 4, Funny

      Imagine Romeo & Juliet set in NYC with singing & dancing street gangs....oh, wait

    3. Re:Now think in American. by kryliss · · Score: 4, Funny

      Someone out West may Side with you on that Story.

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    4. Re:Now think in American. by justin12345 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Shakespeare is actually Modern English (and he'll Melt with You), not Middle English. Middle English is somewhat nebulously defined, but Chaucer would be a better example.

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    5. Re:Now think in American. by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 4, Informative
      Chaucer? The Owl and the Nightingale forever!

      The niyhtingale in hire thoyhte
      athold al this, & longe thoyhte
      wat ho tharafter miyhte segge:
      vor ho ne miyhte noyht alegge
      that the hule hadde hire ised,
      vor he spac bothe riyht an red.
      An hire ofthuyhte that ho hadde
      the speche so for uorth iladde,
      an was oferd that hire answare
      ne wurthe noyht ariyht ifare.

      The bottom line is, if you can understand it, it's not Middle English. (Diachronous linguistics geeks excepted, of course.)

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    6. Re:Now think in American. by Tassach · · Score: 5, Interesting

      As I said in an earlier comment, Tolkien was a linguist and as such was extraordinarily sensitive to linguistic nuances like accent and the effect of social class on speech. If you render the common tongue as English, and keep in mind the history and social status of the various characters, choosing an accent becomes pretty obvious.

      Actually if you wanted to Americanize LOTR, the Hobbits would have Southern accents (country bumpkins), the Rohirrim Texan accents (close to the Hobbits, still country but a little more refined), and the Gondorians a neutral General American/ Received Pronunciation accent (educated middle/upper-class).

      I'd give the Elves a French accent (refined and a little snooty) when speaking the Common Tongue. Quenya played the role of Latin in Middle Earth (dead language used for formal purposes), and Sindarin was an everyday language evolved from it, so a Romance language would be the closest social analog to it. To an American listener a French accent would best convey the extreme refinement and cultured history (not to mention snobbishness) of the Elves. If you wanted to get even more specific I'd give Elrond and the Rivendell elves a French Canadian accent and the Galadhrim a Parisian accent. Linguistically, a Welsh accent would be most appropriate, as Sindarin was patterned after Welsh, but it just doesn't have the same social/class implications that French does.

      If anyone had a Brooklyn accent, it would be a Dwarf. Tolkien explicitly equated the Dwarves with the Jews, and based Khuzdul on Hebrew... so a Brooklyn accent would be extremely appropriate for working-class Dwarves like Bifur, Bofur, and Bombur. Dwarvish nobility like Gimli and Thorin would have a milder, upper-class Jewish accent.

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    7. Re:Now think in American. by idontgno · · Score: 4, Funny

      If anyone had a Brooklyn accent, it would be a Dwarf. Tolkien explicitly equated the Dwarves with the Jews, and based Khuzdul on Hebrew... so a Brooklyn accent would be extremely appropriate for working-class Dwarves like Bifur, Bofur, and Bombur. Dwarvish nobility like Gimli and Thorin would have a milder, upper-class Jewish accent.

      So, for real authenticity, Dwarvish should be Yiddish? The only problem with that is that Yiddish has been a comic language in Western pop language for so long (thanks to decades of awesome Jewish-American comedians) that it would reduce the Dwarves to comic relief.

      Oh, wait, we're talking about the LOTR movies, where the dwarves WERE reduced to comic relief. Right. Carry on.

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    8. Re:Now think in American. by LordOfTheNoobs · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I was wondering how to pronounce that until I realized it's just a clever bit of german with an outrageous french accent.

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    9. Re:Now think in American. by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 5, Informative

      As a Russian, I can tell you that I vastly prefer American movies about Russians where they all speak English (and I guess at that point they have to use accents to make it sound "foreign") over those where they actually try to put Russian in there - because I haven't seen a single movie where it wasn't hilariously wrong in both accent and sentence structure.

      Remember that scene in "Red Dawn" where a Soviet soldier tries to read the sign (in English) at the national park, has to make most of it up because of his poor command of the language, which results in a hilarious "translation"? Well, that scene is doubly hilarious if you're a Russian, because his actual speech is about as close to the English subtitles, as the subtitles themselves are to what's on the sign...

  9. Because these fantasies are based on Britain by mattdm · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Westeros is transparently (if not particularly faithfully) based on a fantastic reinterpretation of Britain, right down to the the Wall and the . And all the knights and chivalery (and non-chivalery) and so on are clearly Arthurian legend, which is unquestionably British even if it owes a big debt to France — which, speaking of, is of course right across the "narrow sea". Middle Earth is less literal with the geography, but Tolkien has said (were it not already obvious!) that the Shire is rural Britain in spirit, so of course the hobbits speak with the appropriate accent.

  10. Re:Because to Americans by HeckRuler · · Score: 4, Funny

    Ouch, that's pretty harsh on them thar Texans.

  11. Re:There's no such thing as a "British" accent. by H0p313ss · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Absolutely correct, and yet also so wrong. Yes, there are regional British accents, but when considered as a whole they are clearly distinct from American ones. Any fool can identify that someone from Cornwall or Glasgow is clearly not American, and if you take someone from New Jersey or Texas nobody is going to mistake them for someone from Yorkshire.

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  12. Actually modern American English sounds more... by f97tosc · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "For Americans, I would assume it's because we associate fantasy with the Old World because that's where most of our myths and legends originate."

    Yes, but we associate wrong because modern American English actually sounds more like old English than does modern British English.

  13. Re:Accent fail by UdoKeir · · Score: 4, Funny

    I think that's because an Irish accent is the only one that Colin Farrell can do. So they had all the other actors match him so that he didn't seem out of place.

  14. Re:Simple, really by newcastlejon · · Score: 4, Informative
    Firstly, you forgot one of the Brits' most significant characteristics: self-deprecation.

    - Free healthcare to all, at much cheaper rates than the US private healthcare system. I've tried both, and I'd take the NHS in a heart-beat.

    The NHS has its ups and downs but we count ourselves very lucky for having it as well as private healthcare providers like Bupa.

    - Significantly subsidized education. You don't come out of college desperate to find a job to pay off your immense loans.

    Desperate to find a job, maybe, but our student loans aren't taken out privately - for the most part - so the repayments are actually quite reasonable. In fact, the first £15k (around the $23k mark) of your earnings are disregarded when it comes to calculating repayments.

    - They're not currently at war with any chemicals, nouns, or indeed any nation-states as far as I'm aware.

    Some chemicals are very much targeted, but punishments are nowhere near as harsh as those in the US. Words... well, so long as you aren't encouraging violence, intolerance, etc. you're pretty much free to say what you want, including insults directed towards the Royal Family (see point the First). As for nation-states that depends entirely on who the US is after at the moment :P, but suffice it to say we don't have it in for Cuba; it's 4,500 miles away.

    - There's no gate-rape or sanctioned government-grope at the borders

    Nope, free travel between EU nations in particular is a wonderful thing and we've learned to take the rough with the smooth. We have enough home-grown nutcases anyway.

    - They don't have 1 in every 31 adults behind bars or on parole / being monitored. Think about that for a second. One in Thirty-one.

    Amen to that. That statistic is quite saddening and I'm given to understand that many inmates are imprisoned for relatively minor drug offences.

    - They live longer, and have less infant deaths

    A double-edged sword, since we're careening towards the same pension crisis as many other nations. Infant mortality, however, is a bad thing however one looks at it.

    - They have a genuine choice in politics - left, center, or right. As opposed to right and crazy-town here in the US.

    LOL! Our choice is basically pro-business toffs (Tory - blue), pro-union spendaholics (Labour - red) and the Liberal Democrats, whose yellow ties should give some indication as to their character.
    (I actually vote LD for their progressive social policies and attitude toward proportional representation... and partly because I'm curious to see how they would screw things up)

    - Their police won't handcuff you, lie you on the floor, then shoot you dead on a subway train.

    Generally, no they won't, and the fact that most of them don't carry firearms, but the ones that do have been known to shoot people before boarding a subway train. That was a dark day, but in our defence most of the nation was in uproar over it.

    - No metal-detectors needed at schools. Schools, for $deity sake!

    Not yet, thankfully, but we need to sort out the problem of knife crime, which is preferable to gun crime but still lethal.

    - There's no software patents :)

    Yes, but given that the blues are in charge and the reds seem keen on the idea too I think it's only a matter of time even without US pressure.

    All told, the UK society seems to be functioning as well as any enlightened Western society should, unlike the USA. On th

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