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Facebook Says It Has 'No Intention' To Abuse CISPA

An anonymous reader writes "Facebook is supporting the Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act (CISPA), despite opposing the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) and the PROTECT IP Act (PIPA). SOPA and PIPA were about intellectual property, and allowed courts to remove DNS listings for any website hosting pirated content. CISPA is meanwhile about security, and makes it possible for companies to share user information with the U.S. government (and vice versa) if the parties believe it is needed for the greater cyber security good. That being said, CISPA has loopholes that allow it to be abused, especially when it comes to Intellectual Property and privacy. Facebook says it will not do that, and will instead work on closing these loopholes."

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  1. Because, Lord knows... by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...you can trust Facebook when it comes to privacy!

    1. Re:Because, Lord knows... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Agreed,

      intentions ain't worth nothing in law. Intentions can turn at any time. Rather just let not happen such a law in the first place.

    2. Re:Because, Lord knows... by jo42 · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Facebook, invading your privacy since 2004".

      - Mark Douchebagberg

    3. Re:Because, Lord knows... by HarrySquatter · · Score: 3, Interesting

      How is it "invading" someone's privacy when they willingly give away their personal information to you?

    4. Re:Because, Lord knows... by icebraining · · Score: 4, Informative

      Facebook was found to be tracking users even those without an account across websites with the button. Yes, very "willingly giving away" /s

    5. Re:Because, Lord knows... by MightyYar · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How is it "invading" someone's privacy when they willingly give away their personal information to you?

      Facebook has changed the way they share your personal information several times since I joined up, sometimes doing something as blatant as default sharing information that was previously hidden.

      My bank also has a lot of my personal information, but I don't expect them to one day just throw some of it up on their website.

      I understand the relationship between a person and a bank vs a person and a social media website is completely different, but I wanted to use a really extreme example to make my point.

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    6. Re:Because, Lord knows... by MrKaos · · Score: 2

      Agreed,

      intentions ain't worth nothing in law. Intentions can turn at any time. Rather just let not happen such a law in the first place.

      It will be interesting to see how those who oppose the policy on facebook are treated by facebook.

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    7. Re:Because, Lord knows... by ScrewMaster · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Agreed,

      intentions ain't worth nothing in law. Intentions can turn at any time. Rather just let not happen such a law in the first place.

      You are being generous. The road to Hell is paved with good intentions ... but you get there faster if there are no good intentions.

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    8. Re:Because, Lord knows... by History's+Coming+To · · Score: 2
      Good luck with that - it doesn't get deleted, it just gets "de-publicified". And if you were silly enough to share it with anyone there's no chance.

      For content that is covered by intellectual property rights, like photos and videos (IP content), you specifically give us the following permission, subject to your privacy and application settings: you grant us a non-exclusive, transferable, sub-licensable, royalty-free, worldwide license to use any IP content that you post on or in connection with Facebook (IP License). This IP License ends when you delete your IP content or your account unless your content has been shared with others, and they have not deleted it.
      When you delete IP content, it is deleted in a manner similar to emptying the recycle bin on a computer. However, you understand that removed content may persist in backup copies for a reasonable period of time (but will not be available to others).

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    9. Re:Because, Lord knows... by hemo_jr · · Score: 3, Insightful

      When doing a practical threat analysis, one looks at potential rather than intention. The vague and over broad language of the CISPA makes its potential vast and excessive. Facebook's intentions may be honestly stated for now, but history has shown us that is not enough.

      ACTA negotiations were conducted in secrecy and public knowledge of its negotiations was restricted under the guise of national security. So the precedence has been set that national security encompasses anything and everything any petty bureaucrat says it does.

      If the US government, the administration, or even Facebook had a history of restraint, self-control or even good judgement when it comes to these matters, it would be one thing. But their failure to do so, especially that of the US government, is still a raw wound. Not only should they not be trusted in a theoretical sense as a best practice, they cannot be trusted in in a real, immediate and visceral sense,

  2. Yeah, yeah, yeah .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    The check's in the mail.

    I won't cum in your mouth.

    I'll respect you in the morning.

    I won't abuse CISPA."

    ....

    1. Re:Yeah, yeah, yeah .... by LighterShadeOfBlack · · Score: 5, Funny

      Man, you do some weird shit with Facebook...

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  3. So, shouldn't they OPPOSE CISPA? by Giant+Electronic+Bra · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You don't give your support to something that is broken, you oppose it and negotiate the bad parts out. How exactly by supporting this thing do they think they're going to get it changed? This is Bullshit. If I was Mr Zuckerberg I'd be careful what I wish for...

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    1. Re:So, shouldn't they OPPOSE CISPA? by houstonbofh · · Score: 2

      It indemnifies companies for sharing data. That is the part he supports. Indemnification so users can't sue.

  4. Needs to be modded up by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If I could mod TFS or TFA, they would definitely get a "+1 Funny"...

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  5. NDAA by roman_mir · · Score: 3, Insightful

    NDAA - Obama signed a statement saying he won't use the indefinite detention part of it.

    What's up with all these laws, that are getting passed and the people who are directly or indirectly responsible for passing them are all promising not to use the new powers they acquire?

    Why don't they just own up to the truth - there is no reason to pass these privacy and freedom destroying laws if you have no reason to use them, you pass them because you are intending to use them (or you are intending for them to be used, even if it is not you directly who is going to use them).

    When is it going to stop exactly and why would it stop?

  6. Merely "legalizing" the sharing of Private Data by dryriver · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It is my firm belief that Google, Facebook and other "Big Players" who collect user-data for a living have been sharing all sorts of supposedly "private" user data with various governments for years, without ever talking publicly about this happening, or saying/doing anything that would confirm in any way that this - probably - illegal sharing of data is taking place. CISPA to the rescue: Now, when someone using these services complains or sues about their private data being handed to some government or govt agency, they can simply say: "We checked out your data briefly because of suspicion of a security threat. We found nothing, and deleted your data again. This is all perfectly legal under the rights-of-action granted by CISPA." To put it more simply, Google, FB & Others will continue what they have been doing all along - sharing your data with all sorts of other parties without informing you and without having your consent. But now, if a legal problem or challenge arises from doing this, they can simply invoke the relevant section of CISPA, and it all becomes perfectly legal. In no way can Google, FB & Friends be held liable or accountable for passing your private data on to others anymore. What a terrific law this is! Just what Google, FB & Friends have always wanted...

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    1. Re:Merely "legalizing" the sharing of Private Data by smpoole7 · · Score: 2

      > It is my firm belief that Google, Facebook and other "Big Players" ... now, if a legal problem or
      > challenge arises from doing this, they can simply invoke the relevant section of CISPA ...

      Someone with mod points, kick this one up. Dead on the money. :)

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  7. Corporations have no "word" by mbone · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The only time a corporation can be trusted is when you have a contract (and, sometimes, not even then). Otherwise, no.

    A man or woman can give you their word, and may (or may not) be believed. A corporation cannot, as whatever is said can be changed totally, not least when the people at the top change.

  8. Re:Ok, then..... by million_monkeys · · Score: 2

    That is the obvious question. If you support the creation of a system full of loopholes, then a claim of "we don't intend to abuse the system" has the unspoken addition "...but we think it's OK for people to abuse the system (and we reserve the right to abuse it if we change our minds)." If they don't agree with that little addition, then they should oppose it until the potential for abuse is fixed. Why start with a broken system and try to fix it later?

  9. or, OR... by v1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That being said, CISPA has loopholes that allow it to be abused, especially when it comes to Intellectual Property and privacy. Facebook says it will not do that, and will instead work on closing these loopholes."

    How about not passing laws with known loopholes in them in the first place??!

    Reason? Because a lot of the support for the laws while they were under debate demanded those loopholes. But they weren't going to abuse them. Really. Honest! They'll be removed as soon as the law is passed. We promise!

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    1. Re:or, OR... by TubeSteak · · Score: 2

      I'm going to quote an old post from the "DMCA Abuse Widespread" article:

      Whenever a controversial law is proposed, and its supporters, when confronted with an egregious abuse it would permit, use a phrase along the lines of 'Perhaps in theory, but the law would never be applied in that way' - they're lying . They intend to use the law that way as early and as often as possible.

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  10. err? by Luckyo · · Score: 2

    We have no intention of abusing CISPA = We have every intention to claim any abuse has been unintentional?

  11. For the record... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Facebook is offended that you would even suggest that they would have any intention of abusing CISPA. They are really, really hurt that you would think such a thing about them.

    Further, they have released a statement saying that they are trying really really hard, and do you have any idea how it makes them feel when you don't trust them? Perhaps you have some trust issues which are preventing you and them from becoming closer, and until you deal with those this relationship cannot get to the next level, which is making social networking more user-friendly! It's always all about you, isn't it? Your privacy. Your rights. You, you, you. How do you think Facebook feels? Do you ever care about them for one minute?

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  12. "We Won't Abuse CISPA" by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "We'll use it, EXACTLY as intended!"

    "Abusing" CISPA would involve actions like demanding due process for actions by police and government agencies, or insisting on Warrants in the case of investigations and seizures. Facebook intends no such thing.

    Welcome to the desert of the real.

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  13. Which is more revealing, Facebook or Slashdot? by Time_Ngler · · Score: 2

    Isn't the Slashdot comment system a huge potential data mine for spying and profiling people as well? I mean with Facebook, you get to see things such as a persons favorite artists, their friends, whether they like mountain dew or not, etc. With the people actively logging in, commenting, moderating and meta-moderating in slashdot, you get to see their whole idealogy and opinion of various government and political ideas. Which of these two things would governments be more interested in?