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YouTube Ordered To Remove Videos, Filter Future Uploads By German Court

suraj.sun sends this excerpt from Deutsche Welle: "YouTube was told by a regional court in Hamburg on Friday not to display seven out of 12 contested clips without permission from the German copyright fee collecting society Gema. Gema claimed that its members were losing money every time their music was being displayed on YouTube. A proper licensing fee between the two sides expired in 2009. The Hamburg State Court ruled YouTube would in future have to install an efficient mechanism to filter out such content uploaded by users or face a fine of up to 250,000 euros ($330,000) for each case, or up to six months imprisonment. Knowing that a foolproof filter system looks next to impossible, Gema is now hoping that Google will finally agree to a new bilateral licensing treaty whereby the collecting society would not get an annual lump sum for the contested videos, but a fixed fee each time copyright-protected videos are watched."

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  1. Just withdraw from Germany. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I hope that Google plays hardball, and simply blacks out Youtube for Germany. The resulting user outcry would then be turned against Gema.

    1. Re:Just withdraw from Germany. by busyqth · · Score: 5, Funny

      They don't need to go that far. They can just make it so that no matter what video you click on you get rickrolled.

    2. Re:Just withdraw from Germany. by tlhIngan · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I hope that Google plays hardball, and simply blacks out Youtube for Germany. The resulting user outcry would then be turned against Gema.

      You don't have to go that far. Since they're only concerned about MUSIC, all Google has to do is give German viewers a different audio track. Maybe saying something like (in German and English):

      "The audio for this video has been filtered by request of Gema, who may be contacted at <address (street, phone number, email)>."

      Have it repeat the entire video length (in both languages). I'd say replacing the audio portion of the video with that message is an efficient filter. YouTube still serves up the video and blames Gema for the mess.

      Do it for all videos seen by German viewers.

    3. Re:Just withdraw from Germany. by BenJury · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why not? If the income generated from YouTube in Germany is less than the fines they are facing, why not pull out? Replacing the page with how the German electorate can let their elected representative know how they feel about it would work wonders.

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    4. Re:Just withdraw from Germany. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Right there with you, and I'm in Germany. I have to use tor for about two videos in five anyway, so they might as well block it completely and generate some political pressure against these asshats. Pirate party's already polling at around 10% these days; a bit more blatant censorship will just make the network rights issue even bigger.

    5. Re:Just withdraw from Germany. by rainmouse · · Score: 4, Informative

      This won't happen.

      Why not? Something similar already happened in the UK with Youtube regarding music performer royalties and other demands for lots of cash.
      http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7933565.stm

    6. Re:Just withdraw from Germany. by Luckyo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Because income from YouTube in Germany is likely multiple orders of magnitude bigger then fine for individual infringement. You're forgetting that country is an economic powerhouse that is one of the very few places in the world that keeps on growing at a decent rate even in current economic climate with a lot of users that are wealthy enough to be desirable targets for premium advertising.

    7. Re:Just withdraw from Germany. by BenJury · · Score: 4, Insightful

      All true, but at €250,000 per Infringement it adds up quickly...

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    8. Re:Just withdraw from Germany. by fritsd · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Very few people will understand. The majority will only see that Youtube's sound for videos is malfunctioning, blame Google, and move on. Because most people do not understand the connection between "who they vote for" and "what political decisions are taken".

      Yet in other news, a month ago Slashdot reported that 7% of German voters in the Bundesland Saarland voted for the German Pirate Party.

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    9. Re:Just withdraw from Germany. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Why would I stop using maps and email just because the video service has been pulled? A few zealouts will camp out and use Bing for a week and also send a notice to all 10 of their friends to change their email addresses. Everyone else will realize YouTube != the internet, won't want to change their email address on every blog, bank account and billpay service they have, and will get over it. Maybe, maybe if you're lucky people will outcry and blame Gema for blocking their ability to see what used to be available for free

    10. Re:Just withdraw from Germany. by Grishnakh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As much as I dislike the USA's actions with regard to IP law, this article has absolutely nothing to do with US IP law or any of its cartels. Instead, it's about a German copyright cartel, though it's interestingly causing the exact same kind of problems (if not worse) that its US peers have been causing.

      Don't blame the USA for BS going on in Germany. There's plenty of legitimate stuff to blame us for.

  2. Re:Or... by SomePgmr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm picturing a brutally honest landing page, explaining why.

    The unfortunate part is that they can't afford to do that here in the US.

  3. Re:IP wars will lead to scorched earth tactics by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, more to the point, once those Gema represented figured out that they had just lopped off their own noses despite their face, it's likely Google would be in the far stronger position at the bargaining table.

    At the end of the day, Youtube holds all the cards. It's the most visited video delivery site on the planet. You can be sure that if 80 million Germans suddenly found a message saying "Because of your courts and GEMA you will no longer be able to use YouTube", it wouldn't be long before GEMA came crawling back begging.

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  4. And then ... by LoudMusic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "... the collecting society would not get an annual lump sum for the contested videos, but a fixed fee each time copyright-protected videos are watched ..."

    And then start paying people to watch the videos.

    Profit!

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  5. Re:If not filterable... by wvmarle · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Gema will do that for them. It's a very simple calculation after all: something like 90% of the videos will have some Gema affiliate copyrighted music (if not more, if you ask them), then take the number of hits to YouTube from German IP addresses, well 90% of that number times a license fee of say E 0,50 a song (still give or take a 50% discount on the iTunes price) gives the number Google must pay.

    OK, I think the "pull out of Germany" option might be the cheaper one after all. Never mind.

  6. Google has to do something by cmptrs4now · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is an interesting dilema for Google. In my opinion google should appeal the descision asking GEMA to provide a filtering algorithm that meets GEMAs demand. If GEMA cannot or will not supply the algorithm the Google should be able to ask the courts to reverse the decision based on the evidence that GEMA has asked google to do something that GEMA themselves cannot do.

  7. They need to do this by future+assassin · · Score: 4, Informative

    while its still fresh. Imagine the look on GEMA's face when all videos from Germany are blocked or better yet deleted. The applause Google would get from the rest of the world would overshadow what they would lose from cutting Germany off.

    If they don't want to do that then at least

    • put all video from German IP's into a que while they look them over sloooowly for infringement
    • Disable all sound on videos uploaded from Germany with a voice over saying Thanks for GEMA all audio has been disabled ev en on your own personal family videos.
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  8. Losing money each time watched... make me laugh by ackthpt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Without youtube most of these people's works would have faded from public view or remained obscure.

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  9. Re:"Bilateral"??? by idontgno · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's perfectly bilateral. There's a meeting of minds and consideration on both sides.

    Just like when Vinnie and Mr. Sung agree that (A) Mr. Sung will pay Vinnie 1/3 of the gross till of Mr. Sung's convenience store, or $2000 (whichever is more) each week; and (B) Vinnie agrees that Mr. Sung's convenience store won't accidentally burn down.

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  10. No by Weezul · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Google should comply wit the court order by blocking these videos. Ideally, they should block them by redirecting users to videos by bands not controlled by Gema with a message as to why they were redirected. If the users like the redirected videos enough, well that solves the problem completely.

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  11. Re:I can't understand Germany by silanea · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Not Germany, the single most retarded court in the whole of Germany. Hamburg is to copyright suits what Texas is to patent suits. The decision will almost certainly be struck down in the next round. They virtually always are.

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