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French Elections Could Affect HADOPI, ACTA

bs0d3 writes "From having a position in the development and support of ACTA, to implementation of HADOPI, to imposing an internet tax to pay for music; France has been at the forefront of anti-piracy legislation. This week, it has been announced that current President and anti-piracy advocate Nicolas Sarkozy is unlikely to win the next election. His leading opponent is a man named Francois Hollande. Hollande has in the past opposed both ACTA and HADOPI (France's 3 strikes law). Hollande believes that ACTA, 'originally intended to combat counterfeiting trade[,] was gradually diverted from its objective, in the utmost discretion and without any democratic process.' At the same time, Hollande is also strongly against piracy. 'Piracy has been costly,' Hollande said, 'but I do not think that law enforcement alone is the answer to the problem.' Will internet issues be of concern to the voters in France? It certainly is to the rest of us internet users."

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  1. Too early to tell by Jedi+Alec · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Considering Sarkozy got only 1% less of the vote than Hollande in the first round, it's far too early to call it. All the folks that voted for other candidates will pick 1 of the 2 in the next round, and considering the massive amount of votes that went to Le Pen...we might very well be seeing more of Sarkozy.

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    1. Re:Too early to tell by rsborg · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Considering Sarkozy got only 1% less of the vote than Hollande in the first round, it's far too early to call it. All the folks that voted for other candidates will pick 1 of the 2 in the next round, and considering the massive amount of votes that went to Le Pen...we might very well be seeing more of Sarkozy.

      There are a lot bad signs for Sarkozy. For one, this is the first election in France's 5th republic where the sitting president didn't come out on top in the first-round popular vote [1]. Another is that Sarkozy has yielded his platform to the extreme right - this not only transfers power in the hands of Le Pen, but will piss off many of the non-extreme right wing voters. He has a very tough fight coming up, and I predict, barring any last-minute gimmicks/scandals, he'll lose it.

      [1] http://www.vanguardngr.com/2012/04/hollande-beats-sarkozy-in-french-first-round-voting/

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    2. Re:Too early to tell by cheesecake23 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Considering Sarkozy got only 1% less of the vote than Hollande in the first round, it's far too early to call it. All the folks that voted for other candidates will pick 1 of the 2 in the next round, and considering the massive amount of votes that went to Le Pen...we might very well be seeing more of Sarkozy.

      Maybe, but according to exit polls in round 1, the 18% who voted for Le Pen are only leaning 48/31 for Sarkozy over Hollande, while the 11% who voted for Mélenchon are leaning 83/6 for Hollande over Sarkozy. The poll shows Hollande leading by 9 points, 54.5% vs 45.5%.

    3. Re:Too early to tell by znrt · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Considering Sarkozy got only 1% less of the vote than Hollande in the first round, it's far too early to call it. All the folks that voted for other candidates will pick 1 of the 2 in the next round, and considering the massive amount of votes that went to Le Pen...we might very well be seeing more of Sarkozy.

      true. besides, even if hollande got to power he would pretty soon change his mind on the subject, like any and every other european leader has done. it would just take a few phone calls, if at all necessary. the only difference would be that while sarko just barks, hollande would dish out some justifying bland rethoric. these matters just float high above politics.

      that not to mention that nowadays any socialist party in europe could be as socialistic as, say, us democrats. with some exceptions in scandinavia, maybe. if real political change in europe does not come from a social revolution, don't expect it before the next generation of politicians pitches in. if at all.

    4. Re:Too early to tell by Luckyo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      There is one difference though. To Sarkozy, piracy and copyright infringement is personal because of his wife. To Hollande, it's business as usual.

  2. Right to be left.. by uhuru_meditation · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If only Germans would get rid of Merkel and Dutch of their freaky Wilders things in Europe would already look a lot different and imported ideas of "freedom" from USA including SOPA, CISPA would be laughed at and rejected with an ease. Soon...

    1. Re:Right to be left.. by Dekker3D · · Score: 4, Interesting

      As a dutchman, I'm telling you that plenty of us would be happy to kick Wilders out of the country-... or better yet, launch him on a one-way trip to space if we can. But we can't seem to get him out of our politics democratically because a lot of christians vote for him out of fear of muslims.

      Apparently, for some of us any muslim is worth losing all common sense over. I guess.. that's some bonus points to them muslim-folks?
      Seriously though, this deserves a huge facepalm.

    2. Re:Right to be left.. by PartyBoy!911 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Well Wilders has messed up the current coalition at least: http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/dutch-government-brink-collapse Geert Wilders has withdrawn his partyâ(TM)s support for the Dutch coalition government and has called for new elections. Prime Minister Mark Rutte says new elections are now very likely. But we don't know how many votes he'll get next round. Currently they are down 5 seats to 19 in parlemant in the poll's.

    3. Re:Right to be left.. by Incadenza · · Score: 4, Informative

      As a dutchman, I'm telling you that plenty of us would be happy to kick Wilders out of the country

      In other words, you disagree with the majority of your voters? You sound like a particularly bitter political person one who blames the majority of your countrymen's as being fearful idiots who simply vote for someone for one obviously bad reason.

      You know there are countries that have more than two political parties? Where you can 'win' an election (with the most votes) because you are the largest minority?

      In the last Dutch election Wilders got 24 of the 150 seats in the Dutch parliament, making his party the third largest party in Dutch parliament (behind the VVD - 31 seats - and the PvdA - 30 seats). Hardly a majority isn't it?

    4. Re:Right to be left.. by psiclops · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Funny, cause of all the muslims i know, none of them in this country (Australia) seem to have an issue with me eating non halal food, or not covering up everywhere, or well anything. I'm sure they exist, just like there exists white australians who go around beating up people of different cultures. i just tend to not associate with people like these.

      Perhaps if you weren't so afraid of speaking to people of a different culture, you would have a different view.

      assimilation is a slow process. people in one country who all come from another country/share a religion will tend to band together simply because they share something in common. as time passes (generally a couple of generations) there is more mingling between cultures.

      i have never heard of these culture wars you speak of and i do not believe in their existence.

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    5. Re:Right to be left.. by interkin3tic · · Score: 4, Interesting

      In other words, you disagree with the majority of your voters?

      I think in any democracy, from time to time, we all agree with Churchill when elections don't go the way we think they should: "It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried."

    6. Re:Right to be left.. by MtHuurne · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Was it effective? I doubt Wilders would have become as popular as he is if Fortuyn were still around. At least Fortuyn was remarkably honest for a politician, while I get the impression that Wilders is playing one big popularity game. The problem is not Wilders himself, but that a large number of people vote for him.

  3. An election may have an effect on politics? by zAPPzAPP · · Score: 5, Funny

    What a bold idea.

  4. Something I don't understand here... by digitig · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What has what a politician says in opposition got to do with what they'll do if they get into power?

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  5. Won't matter who is elected. by owlnation · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The reason for France being at the forefront of anti-piracy things is Vivendi SA. And it won't make the slightest bit of difference whom is elected president. Vivendi are still there, and still in the pockets of anyone they need to be.

  6. Re:Go Sarko by znrt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    so we should ask the greeks about their "insanely generous social programs"? funny guy.

    Yes, you should. They drove the country to the very brink of bankruptcy.

    greece has never had any "social programs" worth to mention whatsoever. they just had massive state employment. but that they have had for decades without "driving to the very brink of bankruptcy". they are almost broke now, thanks to political corruption and financial speculation and incidentally germany and france had plenty to do with it, not to forget goldman sachs.

  7. Re:French internal politics? by newcastlejon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Huh? How'd this make the front page? French internal politics?

    Well I'm not French either, but it does make a pleasant change from the US political stories that seem to inevitably descend into bleating about libertarians after about a dozen comments.

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  8. Re:Go Sarko by tofleplof · · Score: 4, Informative

    > Sarkozy is the guy that ordered the woman in charge of budget cuts to downsize her own team He is also the one who increased the president's salary by 50 %. A month after he got elected. Nice, ain't it?

  9. Hollande is unclear on those questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    During this campaign, François Hollande sent many contradictory signals regarding Hadopi, the anti-piracy legislation. At the beginning of 2012, he said he would abrogate this law. Later he said he would just modify it. Finally he published a letter where he stood aside of the rights holder against pirates, and claimed he would "gather everyone around a table", a trick he used on many topics he wanted to evade. So, even if Hollande is elected (he probably will), no one knows whether he will actually change anything.

    Now, on a sidenote, on why French internal policies may have their place on headlines:
    * France and Germany are the most influent countries in Europe and a shift of their positions could change the European ones. And since Europe is the first economic power in the world and gathers 27 countries, international treaties and regulations are worthless without it. Here is why such a topic may be of importance.
    * If USA's internal policies are on the headlines, why not other countries? Not all of the American policies reported on Slashdot matters for people outside of the USA (95% of the world, the rest of us).

    So, yes, a shift in French position regarding the Internet regulation would matter and should be on Slashdot. This news, however, I don't think so.

  10. Re:French internal politics? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    "Hollande was nominated to be the Socialist and Left Radical Party candidate in the 2012 presidential election."

    You known, it is pretty funny to read this from a french point of view. The socialist party in France is considered as a moderate one. And I actually have no idea why the hell the english version of wikipedia says that he was nominated to be the left radical party candidate. It a guy called Mélenchon (and there are other candidates to his left). But I suppose that he is so far on the left that he overflows american standards...