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USPS To Ban International Shipping On Lithium Ion Powered Gadgetry
sl4shd0rk writes "Apparently the USPS is enacting a ban on the international shipment of all devices containing Lithium Ion batteries. The ban is expected to lift in January of 2013. It seems like this would drive more business away from the already floundering USPS financial situation. The article focuses on the shipment of items out of the U.S., but doesn't mention whether the same ban will apply to purchasing these items on eBay from overseas sources."
The very USPS page that is linked to from this summary says that batteries that are in devices are generally exempt from this. Essentially you can ship all the iPods/iPads/iPhones you want. It is external (ie not built-in) batteries that have additional restrictions, though those are not very severe.
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This is an issue with International Postal Union and aviation authorities:
MEDIA STATEMENT ON Outbound International Mailing of Lithium Batteries
REACTIVE ONLY — FOR IMMEDIATE USE
Until January 2013, the Postal Service will not be able to accept packages containing lithium batteries and electronic devices containing lithium batteries addressed to international destinations. This includes mail destined to, or from, APO (Army Post Office), FPO (Fleet Post Office) and DPO (Diplomatic Post Office) locations.
This change is required by the standards of the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) and the Universal Postal Union (UPU), both of which currently prohibit lithium batteries in mail shipments that are carried on international commercial air transportation.
So it is a) hopefully temporary b) because the hazardous little bombs are hazardous little bombs and c) everything is complicated these days.
So, just cram those AAA batteries into you iPhones and wait it out.
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As long as our currency is on, near, or above par with the US dollar, most sensible canadians will order stuff from the US and use USPS to deliver it, since UPS and the like are really just crooked extortionists. How their extortionist techniques are legal, I just don't know.
I'm god, but it's a bit of a drag really...
I don't recall hearing much in the way of incidents involving lithium-containing batteries combusting during shipping. This leads me to wonder which of the following is going on. Is it:
1) A response to actual incidents?
2) An over-reaction to the potential of an accident, much like the no-electronic-gadgets rule on airplanes?
3) Something more sinister involving patents and/or protectionism?
Given the USPS's boneheaded management style (e.g. you still can't buy first-class postage on their site, only the much more expensive Priority and Express), I'm thinking option #2, but that's just speculation
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The article focuses on the shipment of items out of the U.S., but doesn't mention whether the same ban will apply to purchasing these items on eBay from overseas sources
I'm sure every eBay seller and buyer will notify the USPS of the exact contents of their border-crossing packages. And the USPS can tell if they don't. And the TSA is a worthwhile use of taxpayer dollars.
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I had the same question. Someone in charge of USPS has a stake in nickel cadmium battery business?
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If vendors have to airfreight electrically powered items without their batteries, this is a good thing.
Why?
Because it means the batteries will have to be shipped separately, which means:
they will need to be user-installable, which means:
they will be user replaceable.
No longer will you have to replace kit simply because the battery no longer recharges.
The USPS is struggling because they've been required by a vindictive right-wing to maintain an absurd 75-year pension plan commitment, basically they are being forced to fully fund pension plans for employees who haven't even been born yet.
If they were simply required to do business under the same rules as their competitors, they'd be kicking UPS' punk ass raw.
So, just for clarity let's make sure everyone understands that the USPS is being deliberately engineered to fail by the same vandals and saboteurs who are deliberately engineering our economy to fail.
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... as it appears that, well, lithium batteries are in fact accidents waiting to happen.
The gadgets industry is to be blamed here. They own us safer batteries!
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And Fast Company is whining that the USPS is overreacting because they refuse to ship a product that randomly catches fire and blows up? And sets off other batteries in the same shipment?
The FAA has a whole site on aircraft fires. All their lithium battery documents appear there. Here are the current US battery rules for air transportation. Phone batteries usually aren't big enough to be a problem, but as battery sizes move up from "small" to "medium" (laptop batteries) the restrictions get tougher.
The real news here is that someone somewhere was apparently shipping products OUT of the united states.
Sounds like the CD I received in the mail once, in a plain envelope, with no jewel case, and no padding. More accurately, what I received was shards of a CD.
It is not a UPS rule, it is an international civil aviation rule. No lithium batteries in mail shipments on international commercial flights.
Just because you didn't hear of it doesn't mean it didn't happen.
Although official conclusions are not out yet, it is strongly believed that UPS Air flight 6 crashed due to a lithium battery fire.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UPS_Airlines_Flight_6
There are also other flights where lithium ion fires are suspected but not anywhere near conclusively proven, like Asiana Air 991 linked in that article.
Talk about paranoia. Why do people find it so hard to believe someone is doing their job instead of just being out to inconvenience them?
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allow the UPSP to be more like a bank ala European countries.
What? You think they would be more corrupt and incompetent than Wall Street bankers (that should be in freaking prison)?
The USPS press release can be read here: Publication 52 Revision: Lithium Battery — Update.
In the intro it says:
So it's both primary and secondary cells which are banned – and the decision was forced on the USPS by the UPU and ICAO (the latter, presumably, because of the recent incident where a cargo plane fell out of the sky after a crate of lithium ion batteries caught fire at 35,000ft and couldn't be extinguished.)
Electronics that don't have battery compartments and no standards for rechargeable batteries that they contain.
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The sooting will almost surely not help, since ICAO rules are mainly created by engineers and pilots.
By what the GP quoted, the ban is there because USPS uses comercial passenger flights to transport their cargo, and ICAO won't allow one to transport things that may explode on passenger flights.
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It is an ICAO rule. That means that a body of technical people, from dozens of different countries all agreed on that rule. Yeah, you won't find the proceeds published, as some members don't like that, but it is quite hard to get dozens of different countries to unanimously agree on some protectionist procedure.
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read this:
http://about.usps.com/postal-bulletin/2012/pb22336/html/updt_004.htm
secondly note how this some how doesn't impact corporations.
I suspect this is implemented because the USPS doesn't operate it's own fleet of jets. They contract with commercial airlines. And sine lithium batteries have been the cause of two airline crashes, they don't want to rick killing 100's of people.
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It's all crap, a politically strategic move by the republicans in their unending attempts to allow their buddies to privatize each and every government function. They slammed thru a ridiculous edict forcing the USPS to PRE-FUND their retirement pool for almost a century called the Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act — an incredible piece of ugliness requiring the agency to PRE-PAY the health care benefits not only of current employees, but also of all employees who'll retire during the next 75 years. Yes, that includes employees who're not yet born!
The more you know...
They're the stand-alone batteries and they are quite volatile unless they're protected and spread around like in a shipment of devices. Just because yours haven't exploded doesn't mean they don't explode. There's internal circuitry in your device that keeps the batteries from exploding. Most, but not all, Li and Li-Ion batteries have the circuitry internally. There's no easy way for me to tell (I'm an EE) so there's not a chance that a USPS worker will know.
A D Lithium cell will blow apart a cinderblock once it gets into thermal runaway.
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Has this been a documented problem for a lot of USPS shipments, and is there a reason the ban is temporary? Are they hoping for all Lithium Ion batteries to self destruct by then?
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Maybe they've found a potential problem and they're taking a few months to study it and see if it's something they have to take seriously.
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why?
TFA:
Lithium batteries, which power many personal electronic devices, can explode or catch fire in certain conditions. In order to get around this, consumer electronic manufacturers such as Apple or Amazon ship their products with a minimal charge--which mitigates the safety risk. Fully charged, improperly stored, or improperly packed lithium batteries do pose a risk of explosion, however. Lithium batteries have been implicated in at least two fatal cargo plane crashes since 2006, including a UPS jet in Dubai.
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Apparently the USPS is subject to "international regulations". If they don't comply, they risk being fined by the "international government", and if they piss of the "international attorney general", they might end up in "international jail". See how fucking silly all this sounds?
Indeed. Makes you wonder how anyone could be deluded enough to mistake that hyperbole for reality...
"Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies."
There will be lawyers at some point, but they won't be dictating the rules.
Of course. Why is that important?
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Well duh... The world is ending on the 21st of December. They just want you to think it's temporary...
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Sounds like the CD I received in the mail once, in a plain envelope, with no jewel case, and no padding. More accurately, what I received was shards of a CD.
In general, an unpadded CD should make to you unscathed through the USPS - I've received hundreds of Netflix DVD's through the mail in their plain paper envelopes. I've received a few scratched and unplayable disks, but not a single broken disk.
If a CD needed padding or a jewel case to prevent significant numbers of them from being damaged, Netflix would be using padded envelopes.
lol
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Yeah, I use Netflix too, and I've only seen one cracked disc. But there, the envelope is just the right size and the disc is basically held in place inside. It might be easier to recognize that it's supposed to be rigid than if you just stick a disc in a letter envelope that's too big for it.
Only stupid people think a device that stores useful amounts of energy can be inherently "safe". Stupid people are dangerous! If you understand that energy storage has hazards, and take steps to understand and control those hazards, you can be perfectly safe.
Lithium Ion cells can burn or explode during the charging cycle or when shorted. This is simple fact, easily verified (don't breath the smoke!).
This is not normally a problem. In your laptop, the individual cells that make up the battery pack are connected with fusible links. These are basically very thin pieces of wire, that will melt at fairly low temperatures, that are glued to each Li-Ion cell.
When you are charging your battery pack, or if you foolishly short it out, the fusible links will melt before the Li-Ion cells have reached a high enough temperature to explode or burn. This will disconnect the cells from the power supply and/or short, so the battery pack will become instantly useless (instead of becoming a grenade or campfire).
If your lithium Ion battery pack in your laptop gets worse and worse for months or years and finally just won't hold a charge, it wore out normally. If one day it's just dead, with no warning at all, well your friend the fusible link probably saved your genitalia from laptop-induced cauterization.
The basic problem with this is that fusible links are not testable. You could test 99% of every batch, but you can't test the one in your laptop, because it's a one-use device like an explosive bolt.
But computer vendors have been very good about enforcing quality control on the Li-Ion packs they buy from battery vendors. If anyone's been hurt they've apparently been paid off handsomely, "Fight Club" style, and you can only see a few videos of spontaneously combusting laptops on the Intertubes. You're very unlikely to have your own mass-market laptop ever hurt you, basically because that's bad for business.
USPS has a different problem. Greedy bureaucrats cutting costs by hiring unskilled, ignorant monkeys to ship things. Gormless politicians creating workplaces that are dehumanizing and soul-destroying. The monkeys and dispirited humans who work in such places are quite likely to accidentally drive a metal object (think, forklift prong) deep into a pallet of Lithium Ion cells... and fusible links won't stop that short. And since it takes a while for a pallet of batteries to get into full blazing inferno mode, it could go unnoticed until well after the plane is off the runway.
The circuitry is strictly to prevent discharge below a minimum voltage and (sometimes) to prevent charging over the max voltage and limit discharge rate.
Naturally, none of that comes in to play when the battery isn't connected to anything.
No matter the size, violently venting with flame is far more common than exploding (to explode, the vents would also have to be sealed shut). That is bad enough since it's quite sufficient to start a fire or set off more LiIon cells in a chain reaction.
Unless it's in the passenger compartment...
I say its the ratcheting up of protectionism against cheap imports.
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Yes, those bombs in the guise of a power source should stay in the passenger section where they belong!
Interesting experiment. Is your theory that your customers were lying or that mail carriers were swiping the packages or delivering them to the wrong address or all of these? I recently received someone else's UPS package in my mailbox. Instead of delivering it myself I just left it in the mailbox for a while. Eventually it disappeared. I figure aliens probably took it.
Quite an experience to live in fear, isn't it? That's what it is to be a slave.
Dealing with an incident in the passenger cabin is much easier than dealing with an incident in the cargo areas.
Finally! I was looking for this comment.
Every time I fly I get asked if I have lithium batteries, and every time I reply "yes" and then go through all my electronic devices which use Lithium batteries (in one form or another).