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Iranian Physics Student From UT Gets 10 Years In Jail For Spying

scibri writes "Omid Kokabee, a laser physics graduate student from the University of Texas who has been imprisoned in Tehran for the past 15 months, was sentenced to 10 years in jail on Sunday for allegedly conspiring with foreign countries against Iran. Kokabee was arrested in February 2011 while on a trip home, and charged with 'communicating with a hostile government' (i.e. Israel) and 'illegal earnings.' He has consistently denied the charges, and refused to speak at his trial, where no evidence against him was presented. Several international science groups, including the American Physical Society, have spoken up in his defense, and an online petition has been set up in support."

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  1. Nothing new here by s.petry · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sadly, this is a very common theme with the Iranian Government. Usually this is to get the person on board with them. They get out when they are on-board, and often family members are jailed to be sure that they stay on-board.

    As long as crap is in power, crap like this happens. How many brilliant people did Stalin and Hitler kill? So many that we have no way of knowing.

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    1. Re:Nothing new here by Bigby · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It sounds like the trial-less imprisonment here in the US. He's a "terrorist" and doesn't deserve a (fair) trial.

    2. Re:Nothing new here by artor3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I was wondering how long it would be before some sheltered fool claimed America was just as bad.

    3. Re:Nothing new here by crazyjj · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is so far away from the US that it's laughable

      Agreed. In the U.S. he'd never get a trial.

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    4. Re:Nothing new here by gl4ss · · Score: 2

      in usa you don't get a mock trial.. ok, technically in cuba you don't get a mock trial if you're hold by the u.s authorities.

      in iran, they don't need evidence, just that the other 10-15 guys(article wasn't more specific) confess after a beating.

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    5. Re:Nothing new here by girlintraining · · Score: 4, Informative

      I was wondering how long it would be before some sheltered fool claimed America was just as bad.

      Actually, it is somewhat worse.

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    6. Re:Nothing new here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      In the US you don't need evidence either. The government can simply tell the courts hey its a national security issue trust us. And that's it. The poor guy gets to rot in prison for undetermined time for completely made up charges.
      Now in Europe on the other hand the courts can't judge you based on non disclosed evidence. Precisely to avoid the arbitrariness that underlies the modern US judicial system. Funny to think that european citizens are more protected from their govenments than US citenzens are from theirs.

    7. Re:Nothing new here by Rakshasa-sensei · · Score: 2

      When your government decided to give a fuck about legalities and do what ever they wanted with 'enemy combatants'... What did you expect people to think?

      Your (and any other) country is only as fair and righteous as what it did in the living memory of those wronged. That is why the Bush years were so devastating; no matter what Obama does the period between 2001 and 2008 very much defines how the rest of the world looks at the US.

      Torturing people is wrong? Says 'dictator A', ok... We'll only do sleep depravation, water-boarding and electro-shocks to the balls, cause that's legal, lol.

    8. Re:Nothing new here by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I believe you're mistaken in calling the parent a "sheltered fool".

      We've suspended Habeus Corpus for anyone branded a terrorist. We've suspended the 4th Amendment any time the NSA wants to wiretap all phone traffic. We torture people. We have secret evidence in trials, which defense attorneys can't see. And National Security Letters can make it a crime to even talk about what the government is up to, even if it's illegal.

      So we have a government capable of *exactly* what Iran did to this guy.

      And if you're arguing that America isn't as bad because we don't to it as often, there are two points to be made. First, Bigby never talked about how the relative frequency of this kind of trial in the U.S. vs. Iran; just that the U.S. has done these things at least once in recent history. Secondly, given that our our handling of alleged terrorism is secret, none of us has real information on how often the U.S. conducts "trials" of the sort Iran did with this guy.

    9. Re:Nothing new here by DeadCatX2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What's the difference between a trial with no evidence, and a trial with classified evidence that the defense is not allowed to see or contest?

      What's the difference if you're held in prison for "indefinite detention", and you have never been charged, and you cannot file a habeas corpus petition to determine if the government even has any evidence to justify imprisoning you? At least in this case, there was a trial. That's more than some folks at Gitmo get.

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    10. Re:Nothing new here by busyqth · · Score: 2

      Obama isn't as blatant about it, at least he pretends to be a good guy.

      Doesn't that make it worse instead of better? I figure an honest scoundrel is better than a guy who tells you he's on your side while he's stepping on your head.

      Not that I find it acceptable...

      Of course not.

    11. Re:Nothing new here by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Here, the entire "plot" is woven, whole cloth by the "investigative" agency. Dupes are recruited from the targeted population to execute the plot, under the continuous supervision and motivation by agency operatives. Ultimately, the "plotters" are intercepted for their stage-managed arrest and exposure.

      In Iran? Well, they first apprehend someone who has a detectable pattern of contact with hostile, foreign governments and provable omissions in record and testimony.

      After that? They are both foregone conclusions.

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    12. Re:Nothing new here by Marillion · · Score: 2

      Of course there are horrible oppressive regimes out there. The depravity they inflict upon their citizens is an abomination to basic human dignities. Iran is a notable and relevant example of such a regime. While the US is scarcely anywhere near as bad as Iran or any of a dozen or more similar regimes, the point that's trying to be made is that liberties and freedoms basic human dignities have been steadily eroding in the name of defending the US from terrorism. Also, there is no sense that anyone in power or "the mainstream" has any interest in reversing the trend.

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    13. Re:Nothing new here by djlowe · · Score: 3, Informative

      Oh, I forgot - this is where people somehow don't realize that there is an actual difference between the West and actual tyranny and oppression in the world.

      If you're talking about the US, I fail to see where the difference is. The current President of the US authorized the assassination of a US citizen overseas without due process: http://www.salon.com/2010/04/07/assassinations_2/ and now he's dead. [1]

      Worse, to this day even the head of the FBI doesn't know whether or not this applies to US citizens on US soil: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/03/07/mueller-have-to-check-with-holder-whether-targeted-killing-rule-is-outside-us/

      How, exactly, is this not tyranny and oppression? It appears to me that all the President has to do is point a finger and say "daveschroeder is a terrorist and I have credible evidence proving it." You'll never know what, if anything, that evidence is, because it's protected by "National Security", you know.

      Regards,

      dj

      Notes:

      [1] And you know what? I don't care whether or not he was a "bad person", as many claim. What I care about is that our President ignored the Constitution, deprived a US citizen of their rights and had him killed without being arrested, without be charged and without a trial.

    14. Re:Nothing new here by zlives · · Score: 3, Funny

      your espionage card has been revoked, you now have the new terrorist badge. go directly to gitmo

    15. Re:Nothing new here by DeadCatX2 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Your characterization of American justice is incorrect. You seem to be talking about the dangerously-close-to-entrapment behavior that the FBI engages in, cooking up plots and luring idiots into taking the bait, and then waving them around as evidence that the FBI is protecting us.

      What about foreign nationals like Kahlid el-Masri? He was some innocent German guy who the CIA had kidnapped. The CIA agent who recommended his detention wasn't punished; she was promoted!

      Or Maher Arar? Kidnapped and rendered to Syria for torture. The Canadian government paid him restitution for their part in his detention, rendition, and torture. But when he tried to sue the US? Nope, sorry, State Secrets.

      Or perhaps Lakhdar Boumediene? He was a member of the Red Crescent (think of it like the Muslim version of the Red Cross) He was held for 7 years until a federal judge finally ruled that the government had no evidence. When one side of his nose was broken, US personnel force fed him (twice a day) through the other nostril. Sometimes they missed his stomach and the tube went into his lungs instead. Oops.

      Murat Kurnaz? Another German, held for five years in Gitmo. There's a DoD memo stating that he was cleared for release about one year about his detention, and yet he languished for four more years anyway.

      What about the Uighurs? Everyone admits they aren't guilty of any crimes, and yet many are still stuck in Gitmo after nearly a decade.

      These are ALL perfectly fucking innocent human beings, who were never charged or tried despite spending years and years in detention, sometimes almost as long as this student has been sentenced. There was no plot. There was hardly an investigation.

      I say again, at least this student was given a sham trial before being imprisoned. That sham trial is more than any of those folks I listed above got before they were imprisoned and tortured. The difference between a sham trial with no evidence and no trial at all is in practice negligible.

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    16. Re:Nothing new here by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 4, Informative

      Or perhaps Lakhdar Boumediene? He was a member of the Red Crescent (think of it like the Muslim version of the Red Cross) He was held for 7 years until a federal judge finally ruled that the government had no evidence. When one side of his nose was broken, US personnel force fed him (twice a day) through the other nostril. Sometimes they missed his stomach and the tube went into his lungs instead. Oops.

      I went to read about the guy on Wikipedia, and...

      "In January 2002, the Supreme Court of Bosnia ruled that there was no evidence to hold the six men, ordered the charges dropped and the men released. American forces, including troops who were part of a 3,000 man American peace-keeping contingent in Bosnia were waiting for the six men upon their release from Bosnia custody, seized them, and transported them to Guantanamo."

      What. The. Fuck? Last I checked, Bosnia was an independent sovereign country. How can this kind of crap be pulled off? Did they do it Mossad-style, or what?

    17. Re:Nothing new here by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 2

      Don't worry. I've picked up a tail on /.

      Might be run-of-the-mill hasbara or one of the various MISO/Psyop members of the Chairforce that are sent to "police" public forums.

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    18. Re:Nothing new here by Beeftopia · · Score: 2

      If you're talking about the US, I fail to see where the difference is. The current President of the US authorized the assassination of a US citizen overseas without due process: http://www.salon.com/2010/04/07/assassinations_2/ [salon.com] and now he's dead. [1]

      Not without precedent. The American South seceded and the president ordered lots of Americans killed to stop it.

    19. Re:Nothing new here by DeadCatX2 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      What the fuck, indeed. You should read Boumediene's op-ed in the NYT.

      http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/08/opinion/sunday/my-guantanamo-nightmare.html?_r=1&ref=opinion

      Also, I forgot a bit about Kurnaz

      http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/08/opinion/sunday/notes-from-a-guantanamo-survivor.html

      Despite all this, I looked for ways to feel human. I have always loved animals. I started hiding a piece of bread from my meals and feeding the iguanas that came to the fence. When officials discovered this, I was punished with 30 days in isolation and darkness.

      [...]

      After two and a half years at Guantánamo, in 2004, I was brought before what officials called a Combatant Status Review Tribunal, at which a military officer said I was an “enemy combatant” because a German friend had engaged in a suicide bombing in 2003 — after I was already at Guantánamo. I couldn’t believe my friend had done anything so crazy but, if he had, I didn’t know anything about it.

      A couple of weeks later, I was told I had a visit from a lawyer. They took me to a special cell and in walked an American law professor, Baher Azmy. I didn’t believe he was a real lawyer at first; interrogators often lied to us and tried to trick us. But Mr. Azmy had a note written in Turkish which he had gotten from my mother, and that made me trust him. (My mother found a lawyer in my hometown in Germany who heard that lawyers at the Center for Constitutional Rights represented Guantánamo detainees; the center assigned Mr. Azmy my case.) He did not believe the evidence against me and quickly discovered that my “suicide bomber” friend was, in fact, alive and well in Germany.

      This is the kind of shit you see in movies (movies like Rendition, which was based on Khalid el-Masri's experience). It's almost hard to believe that my government can do this sort of thing to innocent people.

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    20. Re:Nothing new here by djlowe · · Score: 2

      Your link makes a big issue about the assassination of Anwar al-Awlaki being "far from the battlefield". To the Jehadists the "battlefield" is the entire world, especially where Sharia Law is not enforced.

      None of which addresses my point, which was this: An American citizen, simply accused of being a terrorist, was assassinated, without being arrested, without being charged and without any proof of wrong doing at all, so far as we know, other than the US Federal Government saying that he was a "bad person" and so deserved to die.

      So, who's the next "bad person"? You? Me? You and I will never know, will we?

      Regards,

      dj

    21. Re:Nothing new here by couchslug · · Score: 2

      "What about the Uighurs? Everyone admits they aren't guilty of any crimes, and yet many are still stuck in Gitmo after nearly a decade."

      Hand them to Beijing.

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    22. Re:Nothing new here by Beeftopia · · Score: 2

      The United States of America did not accept the secession, so in the eyes of the USA, the Confederate States of America was not a recognized country. See the "Emancipation Proclamation" which the USA issued to free the slaves in the entire USA, which also covered the breakaway southern states. The secession was a contested issue. So the killing of people in the states attempting to secede, in the eyes of the USA, was still the killing of Americans, in an attempt to stop the secession from completing successfully.

    23. Re:Nothing new here by girlintraining · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Before you say "but but but but" I'll ask you to volunteer for the Military and go see for yourself.

      Couldn't. Gay. Curiously, people who chant "death to america!" are a bit more accepting regarding military service, though it usually ends with a bang.

      Watch a few of your friends die and get hit by a bullet or two.

      I didn't have to serve in the military to see that. I've been shot myself... twice.

      Lets see how you react when you capture someone and they spit in your face and tell you they will hunt down your whole family and kill them.

      I can't say I ever captured someone, but I've had people spit in my face and tell me they will hunt down my whole family and kill them. Again, gay. Also, small town.

      Try helping out someone asking for help and watching them kill a few innocents, and then yell "he did it!".

      Okay, at this point, I have to ask... what the fuck are you getting at? Is your justification here that two wrongs make a right? That it's okay to kill people, as long as it's for the right reasons? Collateral damage? Where are you going with this... or are you just rattling off the many inhumane things human beings are capable of when told by an authority to do them?

      We torture and kill innocent people; and it's not just foreigners, it's our own citizens. Our fear mongering leaders want show trials for their re-election so badly they throw people to the wolves. The FBI is busy manufacturing terrorists just so they can claim credit for taking them down. And you're acting like we shouldn't be ashamed? That we should just accept it? Are you truly that jaded?

      But in a war, when you have your ass on the line 24/7/365 and you watch people die..

      You don't kill others to protect your way of life, only to come home and kill more people who's crime is living that way of life.

      There are countless Occupy people that have been arrested and detained without bail or trial for weeks.

      Yes, I know. I was there. And no bail or trial for a couple weeks is not the same thing as never having a trial, being disappeared, having the government deny your family, friends, or anyone access to you, never seeing a lawyer, permanently. That's what we've legalized in the past few years; and it goes against everything we have sent generations of young men overseas to die for.

      We should be ashamed.

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    24. Re:Nothing new here by DeadCatX2 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yeah, I know, right?

      It's not like there was a law passed that allowed the executive to hold prisoners indefinitely. (NDAA)

      It's not like there were multiple inmates from Gitmo who have Supreme Court rulings bearing their name. (Hamdi, Hamdan, and Boumediene)

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    25. Re:Nothing new here by tehcyder · · Score: 2

      Last I checked, Bosnia was an independent sovereign country

      So were Iraq and Afghanistan until the US invaded them. So in theory are Pakistan and the Yemen.

      The US recognises three types of country: itself, other big countries it has to respect in order to avoid starting WW3, and everyone else, including alleged allies, which it treats in the same way that Medieval kings treated their serfs.

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  2. Online Petition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Oh shit. A fucking online petition. Those Iranian guys a really wishing that they hadn't fucked with that grad student.

    1. Re:Online Petition by jonadab · · Score: 2

      Indeed. I have some difficulty imagining that an online petition signed by a bunch of physics students and professors -- most of whom are foreigners -- could convince an elected, first-world government to take (or not take) any particular action. The idea that it might matter to the government of Iran is patently absurd.

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    2. Re:Online Petition by DerekLyons · · Score: 2

      Yet that is the whole premise of modern 'protests'. Sign a meaningless petition. "Like" a meaningless blurb or post a meaningless forward on Facebook. Send an "outraged" tweet or two. Get the bumper sticker. Get the T-shirt... Go on with your life in the sure and smug knowledge that you've made a difference.

      Oh, and don't forget - declare victory quickly before the next meme comes along.

  3. This says it all. by JustAnotherIdiot · · Score: 2

    He has consistently denied the charges, and refused to speak at his trial, where no evidence against him was presented.

    You're guilty because we say so.

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    1. Re:This says it all. by Blindman · · Score: 2

      At least you can't accuse them of fabricating evidence.

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  4. Re:Is Iran crazy? by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

    Laser physicist. Not a lot of use in making nuclear weapons. If they'd arrested an actual nuclear physicist, I'd consider it plausible they have a secret lab where enslaved scientists are forced to work on weapons research. But I imagine the TSA is already watching for any American nuclear physicists who might wish to go to Iran and is ready to have them turned back at the airport.

  5. Not Quite "His" Trial by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Informative

    and refused to speak at his trial

    From the Nature article

    Judge Abolghasem Salavati of Branch 15 of Tehran's Revolution Court — who is famous for his harsh sentences — tried 10 to 15 people in the same trial, under the collective charge of collaborating with Israel’s intelligence agency, Mossad.

    Hardly "his" trial now, wasn't it? From the sound of it, it was just 10-15 students they all accused of the same thing with some of them (like Sina Zahiri) confessing in order to reduce their sentences. Of course, Zahiri's accusation is contact with Mojahedin-e Khalgh Organization (completely unrelated to the Mossad). So now that Zahiri has confessed, Iran has "evidence" that they can now use to justify counter attacks or assassinations or arrests or whatever.

    I'm sure in Kokabee's case, he'd have a lighter sentence if he just said that Israel is doing all the stuff of which they accuse him. Because then Iran has evidence to start some international shit (by the way, I am by no means claiming Israel has no such operations inside Iran).

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  6. Re:Is Iran crazy? by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Funny

    If they next imprison a biologist specializing in cold blooded, carnivorous sea fauna, we know what's going on!

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  7. Re:Puts things in perspective by Hatta · · Score: 3, Interesting

    We have a LONG way to go before the West descends into such a farce.

    Not as long as Cannabis is illegal. If the US can maintain the illusion that Cannabis(which is less harmful than most OTC drugs) is so dangerous that we have to lock people in cages for multiple decades just for growing it, what can't they do?

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  8. Re:I feel for the student, but... by busyqth · · Score: 2

    90% of the inmates at Gitmo were innocent as well, and they didn't even get a show trial.

    No, they got free board and lodging in a tropical paradise instead of scrounging for food in a war-torn desert.

  9. Queue "But the US..." comment in 3... 2... 1... by Dave+Emami · · Score: 2

    ... nevermind, I'm too late.

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    1. Re:Queue "But the US..." comment in 3... 2... 1... by Dave+Emami · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Umm... no. I'm pointing out that when the US gets accused of something bad, the comments are about the US, and when some other country is accused of something bad, the comments are... about the US. There were several privacy or "Your Rights Online" posts dealing specifically with the US within the last week. Did the comments immediately stray into discussion of Iran? No, nor should they have. Same thing goes here. There's a person -- a tech guy, one of our own -- getting stomped on. How about some sympathy for him? Likewise with the discussion of Saeed Malekpour a few months ago: a programmer is at risk of being executed because of source code sharing (something rather dear to the hearts of a lot of people on Slashdot), and a major chunk of the comments are "but in the US etc. etc."

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  10. Brain Drain in Iran by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Iran is desperate to plug that hole, but frankly they're heavily outmatched and being sanctioned and sabotaged every step of the way.

    If you're imposing strict social codes with ridiculously harsh laws while trying to compete with super powers, you're going to have a bad time.

    It's true the USSR and US played a big part in turning Iran into the screw up it is today but at some point the people have gotta turn it around if they don't want to end up completely like North Korea. Smart people don't want to live in places where smart people are bothered and executed. Smart people also can't be told where to live -- they're smart and they figure out ways around that.

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  11. If you escape, do not return. by couchslug · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That simple. Iranians (well, except the MEK) aren't dedicated enough for a protracted violent struggle, so their government will remain as it is.

    The Viet Minh and later Viet Cong were willing to die, by the hundreds of thousands, to take power in their country. The Taliban have demonstrated the same will to fight over decades.

    Either be willing to fight as a revolutionary or get the fuck out before Serious People eat you. The Mullonazis are Serious People. If you aren't willing to slaughter them, you don't really oppose them.

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    1. Re:If you escape, do not return. by Dan667 · · Score: 2

      if you act the same as your enemies you are no better than they are.

    2. Re:If you escape, do not return. by Mal-2 · · Score: 2

      if you act the same as your enemies you are no better than they are.

      Sometimes there is no "better", only dead or alive.

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  12. Not a lot of sympathy by petsounds · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's difficult to glean from the articles, but it seems Kokabee is not an American citizen, but an Iranian citizen who was attending an American graduate school. The act of going to an American school was the first risky move, both to his own safety but that of his family. The Iranian government knew he was attending an American school and simply waited for the appropriate time to use him as a pawn. Did he really think he was going to be able to associate himself with America and not end up being used for propaganda purposes by the Iranian government? He's a young kid so maybe he didn't think about it, but his parents should have.

    I do sympathize that he felt he had to risk everything in order to get a good education in the field of his choice, but he put himself in a very risky position.

  13. Always happens quick by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There are a lot of very narcissistic people on Slashdot and any discussion that isn't about America they seem to need to find a way to redirect it to the US as soon as they can. I can never be a discussion about civil rights in another nation, they have to try and steer the debate right back around to America so they can do more whining and make more things about themselves.

    It is extremely annoying, and precisely as expected for this site.

  14. Re:Not hard to believe. by tehcyder · · Score: 2

    See decades ago when the US was seen as the mega super bastion of freedom, truth, shining knight of armor and whatnot, I told my friend, the US is simply a country like others

    I don't know how old you are, but no one I know (in the UK) has thought of the US in those terms since 1945.

    I suppose members of the old Soviet Bloc had a romanticised view of the US until the 1990s though.

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