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60TB Disk Drives Could Be a Reality In 2016

CWmike writes "The maximum areal densities of hard disk drives are expected to more than double by 2016, according to IHS iSuppli. Hard drive company Seagate has also predicted a doubling of drive density, and now IHS iSuppli is confirming what the vendor community already knew. Leading the way for greater disk density will be technologies such as heat-assisted magnetic recording (HAMR), which Seagate patented in 2006. Seagate has already said it will be able to produce a 60TB 3.5-in. hard drive by 2016. Laptop drives could reach 10TB to 20TB in the same time frame, IHS iSuppli stated. It said areal densities are projected to climb to a maximum 1,800 Gbits per square inch per platter by 2016, up from 744 Gbits per square inch in 2011. Areal density equals bit density, or bits of information per inch of a track, multiplied by tracks per inch on a drive platter. This year, hard drive areal densities are estimated to reach 780Gbits per square inch per platter, and then rise to 900Gbits per square inch next year."

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  1. For depressed people by SadBob · · Score: 5, Funny

    Since pirates are depressed people, these will be perfect fit for depressed pirates.

    1. Re:For depressed people by wanzeo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Associating large drives with pirates is just the sort of thinking that will lead to a blank media tax, or even requiring buyers to register.

    2. Re:For depressed people by mccalli · · Score: 3, Funny

      Associating them with depression however leads to them being available on medical prescription...

      Cheers,
      Ian

  2. WOW by __aaeihw9960 · · Score: 4, Funny

    That's a shitload of porn.

    1. Re:WOW by Hentes · · Score: 2

      Or 3D.

    2. Re:WOW by Nyder · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's a shitload of porn.

      I must be a nerd, because my digital comic collection is bigger then my porn collection.

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    3. Re:WOW by AngryDeuce · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I stopped keeping porn a long time ago. It's just too easy to stream the shit now, no need to take up valuable hard drive space or leave files around to be found by spouses and children.

    4. Re:WOW by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I must be a nerd, because my digital comic collection is bigger then my porn collection.

      For some people, those would be one and the same.

    5. Re:WOW by xQx · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Truecrypt.

      That's all I have to say on the matter.

    6. Re:WOW by MightyYar · · Score: 5, Funny

      I use Spousal Truecrypt. It's an unencrypted folder titled "Sports".

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    7. Re:WOW by NaughtyNimitz · · Score: 5, Funny

      Until your smart wife discovers your loot when she types "creampie" or "cup" in spotlight (or similar windows search engine)

    8. Re:WOW by Jafafa+Hots · · Score: 4, Funny

      Don't assume like that. There are people into ANY kind of porn, whether high definition or high density.

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    9. Re:WOW by MightyYar · · Score: 2

      Well, I was joking. I do have a directory called "porn" for that special sentimental stuff, but mostly I just browse xvideos.com. My wife doesn't care (or at least doesn't admit to caring).

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    10. Re:WOW by Alter_3d · · Score: 5, Funny

      I use Spousal Truecrypt. It's an unencrypted folder titled "Sports".

      A friend of mine kept his porn folder on plain view. The folder title was "Uninstall Windows". The wife never looked inside.

    11. Re:WOW by rubycodez · · Score: 3, Insightful

      just have to change the file names using sports-related code words, e.g.

      double play == DP
      shot on goal = bukkake
      field goal == tittie fuck to completion
      play ball == tea bag

    12. Re:WOW by mug+funky · · Score: 2

      she probably fapped just as hard to it and never said a word...

    13. Re:WOW by dbIII · · Score: 2

      It's just too easy to stream the shit now

      It's been a few years but Tubgirl just won't go away.

  3. I don't get it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If 4TB is the biggest drive you can get today, wouldn't densities have to increase by 15x to get to 60TB drives by 2016, not just "more than double"

    1. Re:I don't get it. by dgatwood · · Score: 3, Informative

      No, you'e thinking too linearly. The density increases in two dimensions, so the capacity increases by the square of the density (approximately). You would need just shy of a 4x increase in capacity without increasing the number of platters. If you can find a way to decrease the spacing between platters, you could get a 15x capacity increase with an even smaller density increase.

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    2. Re:I don't get it. by atrain728 · · Score: 5, Informative

      The numbers the summary cites are Gbits per square inch. Meaning it's already been squared.

    3. Re:I don't get it. by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 4, Insightful

      HELL YES! Bring back the Quantum Bigfoot!!!11!

    4. Re:I don't get it. by jsm300 · · Score: 5, Informative
      No, the article is quoting aureal density which is expressed in gigabits or terabits per square inch. The problem with the article is that it is combining data from various sources and misreading/misinterpreting the data (so what's new, this is Slashdot after all).

      First, the summary above says that Seagate will produce a 60 Tb drive by 2016. That is not true. Seagate has said they will produce a drive with "up to" 60 Tb of capacity (30-60 TB) by the end of the decade. This is based on the theoretical limits of HAMR technology, which are projected to be in the 5-10 Tbits/sq. inch. range. Current 4TB drives are made with platters that have a density of around 650 Gbits/sq. in., so the math works (10Tb/.65Tb is approximately 15x).

      The other part of the article is talking about what the maximum density is likely to be over the timeframe from now to 2016 using PMR technology and transitioning to something new like HAMR. PMR technology will top out at about 1Tbit/sq. inch, so anything over that will require something new like HAMR. that underlying article quotes 1.8 Tbit/sq. in in 2016, which may not be out of line with 5-10 Tbit/sq. in. by 2020 as a new technology like HAMR comes online.

      The two articles that I am basing the above on are:
      Seagate/HAMR article
      IHS/ISuppli article

    5. Re:I don't get it. by iamhassi · · Score: 2

      If 4TB is the biggest drive you can get today, wouldn't densities have to increase by 15x to get to 60TB drives by 2016, not just "more than double"

      Probably. The first 3tb was released June 2010. 4tb came out Oct 2011. Not exactly amazing growth, over a year for 1tb, at this rate we'll be 9tb in 2016. At this rate we will not see 60tb by 2016, and I say "we" meaning end consumer, maybe some lab monkey will see an areal density equivalent to 60tb, but it won't be available for sale. And for anyone wondering the answer is yes, the 4tb drives already use five platters, 800gb each, so they can't shove more platters in there to double capacity currently, they have to significantly increase areal density.

      But while storage continues to increase, the types of media we store is not increasing in size. HD Video is probably the most common space hog on any personal computer at 25 to 40 mbit per second of video, about 11 to 18gb per hour, but once we have hundreds of terabytes what do we need more space for? For higher high definition video? At some point even video quality will surpass what the human eye can distinguish, especially from across the room.

      And once we have hundreds of terabytes how do we fill the drive? Most of the content on my PC is downloaded, but internet speeds have not increased drastically over the years, I'm still at the same speed now as I was in 2000 and paying about the same amount.

      They're putting the cart before the horse, they're offering us storage for something we don't have to store and that we can't even obtain through current technology.

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    6. Re:I don't get it. by Wescotte · · Score: 2

      I don't know if this is the real reason they quit making them but I worked at a local computer builder (had about 25 satellite stores at the time) and they by far had the worst failure rate of any hard drive I've ever seen.

    7. Re:I don't get it. by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 2

      That's absurd, we bought a couple thousand for our new product to use back in 1997/1998. Out of every ten drives only 9 failed.

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  4. More capacity, but what about I/O? by mlts · · Score: 5, Informative

    One thing we have had issues with is that even now, the issue with drives is how fast we can get data in and out of it.

    Even the high end SAN makers know this and tell people to always use RAID 6 on the backend, just because the window of time that it takes to rebuild a drive is so long these days that it can easily allow for a second drive failure to happen with no protection.

    What I really will dread seeing is an external 60TB drive that is stuck with a USB 3 interface as its only I/O. USB 3 (for lowest denominator compatibility), a SATA descendant, and Thunderbolt, would be ideal, but with how cheap some drives end up, it might just be a sole USB port for in/out.

    1. Re:More capacity, but what about I/O? by Sancho · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Even the high end SAN makers know this and tell people to always use RAID 6 on the backend, just because the window of time that it takes to rebuild a drive is so long these days that it can easily allow for a second drive failure to happen with no protection.

      It's not just another drive failing--it's unrecoverable read errors (UREs). You might not know that a sector is unreadable until it's too late--if you discover it during a resliver of a RAID5, you are seriously out of luck. With very high data densities per disk, the chances of a URE are high.

      So you're right--I/O speed is important. Also important is resiliency. If these don't scale along with the sizes, I think these will be considerably less useful than most people hope.

    2. Re:More capacity, but what about I/O? by Conception · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's not the interface, it's the drives themselves. They aren't really faster than they were when ATA-133 came out. Doesn't matter what interface you stick on there, hard-drives aren't getting faster (thank god for SSD). At 60TB also, the BER rate approaches something like 600% chance over the whole of the drive, or something like that, if they are using the same reliability numbers that current drives use. Terrifying.

    3. Re:More capacity, but what about I/O? by sexconker · · Score: 2

      RAID 10 is better than RAID 6.
      Rebuild time is nothing, your performance doesn't degrade to shit, and you're more than likely going to survive a second failure during rebuilding.

      If you're paranoid you can run multiple mirrors.

    4. Re:More capacity, but what about I/O? by AshtangiMan · · Score: 2

      Agreed. I recently was reading that in a Raid 5 array with 2TB disks it is likely that you will lose data in the event of a single disk failure because of UREs. I have been thinking that setting up various raid 10 spindles is the best way to archive and protect data. One spindle for use, and another for backup, all with 1TB drives (2TB of space with 4 1TB drives). It strikes me that HDD is a terribly inefficient way to back up data securely, but surely it is better than optical disks.

    5. Re:More capacity, but what about I/O? by AshtangiMan · · Score: 4, Funny

      I agree that RAID is not a backup, but that doesn't mean that my backup can't be a RAID . . .

    6. Re:More capacity, but what about I/O? by Sancho · · Score: 2

      It's not what most people mean when they say, "Drive failure," and the URE could have happened before the RAID was ever put into degraded mode (it could have been the first failure, just no one noticed it.)

    7. Re:More capacity, but what about I/O? by afidel · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Actually as areal density increases drives are getting faster, both it terms of streaming reads and average transfer time, it's only worst case performance that is not getting any better. Also the drive manufacturers aren't stupid, as physical density increases logical density isn't increasing as quickly because they are using a larger percentage of the physical bits for error correction meaning the logic BER should at worst remain constant.

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    8. Re:More capacity, but what about I/O? by afidel · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Without parity you're going to miss certain types of corruption so RAID6 is actually superior from a data reliability standpoint.

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    9. Re:More capacity, but what about I/O? by DigiShaman · · Score: 3, Informative

      At least with Dell PERC controllers, the likelihood of UREs these days have been mitigated with the use of background patrol reading which proactively checks the disk in idle periods or low priority disk access. UREs are also detected and corrected on the fly while accessing data.

      You might want to check the documentation as to what features your RAID controller supports. If it supports background patrol reading, most likely it's enabled by default. If not, I suggest upgrading the controller if possible.

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    10. Re:More capacity, but what about I/O? by aztracker1 · · Score: 2

      Finally got my new NAS box up this past weekend... 12x 3TB drives.. 10 of them in RAID-Z2 (FreeNAS) with the other 2 has hot spares. 22.5TB of raw storage, and hopefully should be enough space for the next 4-5 years.. I've been aquiring/using about 1-2TB/year for the past few years. Though 60TB drives would be cool.. the replication time would suck.

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  5. What's the useful limit? by neokushan · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Ok, there's never going to be a hard drive big enough to suit everyone's needs - that's a given. But average joe consumer must have a limit of some kind - what is it?
    I can't see how an average person will use more than about 1TB of space any time soon and even then that's probably overkill. At one point maybe it would have been to store music and films, but that's going to the cloud rather than local storage. Average joe doesn't rip his blu-rays.
    In the same way that RAM has probably hit a peak with consumers who simply don't need more than 3 or 4Gb for what they want to do, I wonder how Hard drives will fare?

    Now as for myself, I could definitely fill 60Tb of space with stuff I'd like to keep - sign me up, but with the price of SSD's seemingly halving over the last couple of months, it's only a matter of time before average joe customer starts to realise that for the same price of a 60Tb HDD, they could probably have a 1Tb SSD that's a lot faster.

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    1. Re:What's the useful limit? by Crosshair84 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      HD video, music, photos. ETC. Even grandma can fill a 1TB hard drive with HD video without even trying.

    2. Re:What's the useful limit? by jedidiah · · Score: 2

      If "Average Joe" has any awareness of speed, then the Cloud will quickly get kicked to the curb and greater local storage densities will matter.

      "Average Joe" will likely never realize that there is a technical reason to seek out an SSD. Some marketing hype might push them in that direction. Genuine "geeky" technical understanding will not.

      Joe is willing to tolerate the cloud but wants the speed of an SSD? That's a clear an obvious contradiction.

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    3. Re:What's the useful limit? by vlm · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I can't see how an average person will use more than about 1TB of space any time soon and even then that's probably overkill.

      video editing. 1TB is about one of my wife's typical projects. What the "creative" types don't realize is if you record 10,20,30 times as much "stuff" as makes it into the final product, to edit you've got to store all that junk somewhere.

      There are batching strategies where you can edit a three hour long interview down to 5 minutes of actual usable clips, repeat until everything is "clipped", then merge up all the clips and edit those. Some video editing software is very unhappy with terabyte scale projects so you have to do this anyway.

      You can't edit and dispose of interview #4 because someone might have a cool story to run against it in interview #35.

      This is not crazy stuff either, family history stuff

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    4. Re:What's the useful limit? by mpetch · · Score: 5, Funny

      640TB

    5. Re:What's the useful limit? by 6ULDV8 · · Score: 2

      I've found that a larger hard drive just increases the likelihood of me storing redundant data on the same media. I get lazy about housekeeping. I recently pulled the 500G drive from my laptop and replaced it with a 120G SSD. Instead of carrying everything I own, I only carry tools I need. Now I can actually manage a daily backup to a NAS and not have to wait while it completes. If I'd had the extra cash, I would have likely purchased a larger SSD and still be carrying all the cruft that I haven't touched for weeks or months. The only thing I miss is my music archive, but with less music on hand, at least now I know all the words to the songs.

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    6. Re:What's the useful limit? by HornWumpus · · Score: 2

      Your music collection fits on a 500G? Your aren't even trying.

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    7. Re:What's the useful limit? by cpu6502 · · Score: 2

      >>>Average joe doesn't rip his blu-rays.

      No but they might download a pirate rip of a BRD. :-)

      >>>RAM has probably hit a peak with consumers who simply don't need more than 3 or 4Gb for what they want to do

      It's not the average Joe who is carelessly consuming RAM. It's the programmers. I remember when I bought my PC in 2002 and it had half-a-gig of space. That was almost 10 times more than the minimum recommended by Microsoft XP. It ran superfast! But NOW the Flash has grown, the browser has grown, and even the office tools have grown.

      I'm not doing anything differently (still watching VHS-quality videos and typing documents), but the programs are gobbling more & more space so my "superfast" PC now runs like a snail (especially with flash). In a few years the programmers will make even 3GB feel claustrophobic. In fact I'd say it's already starting.

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    8. Re:What's the useful limit? by Pentium100 · · Score: 2

      Don't you need to pay a monthly fee for NetFlix? Also, are you certain, that NetFlix (or a similar service) will be available 10, 20, 30 years later? I know that my record and audio tape collection, VHS tapes, DVDs and data tapes will still be there, they do not depend on some company staying in business and I do not need to pay a monthly fee to keep them.

  6. I'm going to make a bet or three by CAIMLAS · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm going to make several bets here which will also hold true:

    * sequential performance will improve at a rate congruent with storage capacity
    * random performance will remain roughly the same as it has for the past 10 years (ie, poor, though it will likely improve slightly unless we go back to double-thick drives like we had 10-15 years ago)
    * resiliency will not improve for single disks and will likely be worse for in terms of longevity.
    * none of this will matter for the consumer market, because by that time, everyone will be using SSDs almost exclusively. You can still fit a lot of data on a 500GB drive, and those are commonly available for laptops and desktops already.

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    1. Re:I'm going to make a bet or three by Spodi · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And I bought 2x 2TB HDDs for less than half that. Your point? Why do some people have such a hard time understanding that not everyone cares about speed for all of their drives. My primary drive, sure, make that baby as fast as possible. But all I need there is 200 GB (85 GB at this time) since that just holds the OS and all programs I use. The rest - the multiple TBs of backups and media (music, movies, pictures), who cares how fast that is. Even the slowest HDDs are going to be able to play 1080p just fine. For the very rare occasions those drives bottleneck, I don't mind waiting. I'd rather spend the money upgrading everything else that bottlenecks far more often.

    2. Re:I'm going to make a bet or three by fnj · · Score: 2

      Like the guy said, that's probably more then, or at the very least close to, the median price of a plain consumer laptop. Pretty sure it's even more true for the median price of a plain consumer desktop. Counting the drive that's already in the laptop or desktop.

  7. Different Strokes, yada yada by rsborg · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Ok, there's never going to be a hard drive big enough to suit everyone's needs - that's a given. But average joe consumer must have a limit of some kind - what is it?

    Thing is, there are multiple "average joe users". Just from my knowledge I could state about 4-6 profiles which have different processing, portability, storage and interface needs. My dad is chugging along fine with his MB Air, but despite that sweet chassis, I need more local storage and more RAM.

    To apocryphally quote a famous person, 64.0GB is enough for most people... and I'm sure both you and I are not "most people".

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  8. Yeah f'ing right by rgbrenner · · Score: 4, Insightful

    2016 is in 4 years. Let's see...

    In 2008, Seagate announced the world's first 1.5TB drive.

    And in 2012, Hitachi announced the first 4TB drive.

    And in 2016, this will magically become 60TB?!

    If you said 10TB, I would believe it. I'll even go along with 15TB.

    But 60TB? don't believe it for a second.

  9. Re:Am I an anomoly? by Nerdfest · · Score: 2

    Interesting, but probably not a valid statistical sample size, unless you're very, very large. Also, I may have my units mixed up.

  10. Re:Am I an anomoly? by lance_of_the_apes · · Score: 2

    I would rather see access speeds improved. When they can deliver a 2 or 4 TB solid state drive at a reasonable price, then they can work on increasing sizes.

  11. Re:So what? by Pentium100 · · Score: 2

    I want bigger though. I wish the disk manufacturers were making 5.25" full height drives (even if they were spinning at 5400 or 3600 RPM), we could have 20TB or even bigger drives now. Add a 5-10GB SSD as cache and it would probably be quite fast too, though I would just use a 2TB HDD drive for "fast" needs and the big drive for archiving etc.

  12. Beware The Weasel Words by Crypto+Gnome · · Score: 3, Informative
    The "60TB" is actually an "up to" number.

    HAMR has a theoretical areal density limit ranging from 5 to 10 terabits per square inch, enough to enable 30TB to 60TB 3.5-inch drives and 10TB to 20TB for 2.5-inch drives

    From previous article about this tech from Seagate.

    In reality do not be surprised to see 10TB and maybe 20TB 3.5 inch desktop drives in this timframe, but I for one WOULD BE surprised to see 40TB let alone the "in theory" 60TB.

    Having said that, I'd be extremely happy with a 10TB desktop drive.

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  13. Re:Who has a leal use for this. by jsm300 · · Score: 2

    This seems to be a reasonable situation to define limits to what a law abiding person needs for personal use.

    Seriously? I hope you are the last one to say it. Reading between the lines of your quote above, it would appear that you think it might be reasonable to outlaw access to this technology, solely because you can't think of a legal use for it.

    As others have posted, there are certainly legal usages. I can think of others, but that is besides the point. The whole idea of limiting something because it might be used for illegal purposes is ridiculous.

    Regardless of the "legal" ideas proposed, sometimes new technology leads to new ideas, i.e. as storage costs go down and capacities go up, new ways of using storage may evolve. One (possibly half-baked) idea I can think of is crowd sourced, highly redundant, "free" backup storage.

  14. I dont really need bigger I want FASTER! by Osgeld · · Score: 2

    SSD's can be nice and fast but shit they are still pricy, and they have their issues ... coming from someone who still uses a old 80 meg scsi drive frequently on his vintage computers, I really dont want something thats going to kill itself in less than a decade

    mechanical drives are peaked right now in terms of speed, and on my main computer, with a ton of games on it, 3 OS and more personal files on it than I would ever use (projects and whatnot) am only using about 150GB (out of 500)

    great you can eventually slam 60T on a drive, maybe by then my 4T NAS would be full from me and the family, that is if all of our computers didnt have a half T in them already (8T if I combined it all into one resource)

    I dont store every single thing I have ever consumed for life on these things, and its going to be much longer than 2016 before I have a NEED for them, though at some point its futile to find a small drive for a reasonable price so they got us on demand ... I just want faster mechanical disks, something that can actually peak out a simple SATA1 Interface

    we get bigger, we get awesome interfaces but nothing to put on them other than overpriced, large ... for like 7 years ago, flash memory that slowly eats its own brain

    surely we can do better than just increasing space

  15. Re:Who has a leal use for this. by jedidiah · · Score: 2

    Clearly you need to get out more and realize that the world is just a little bit bigger than your mother's basement.

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