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Grilling For Geeks

A lot of us are going to be standing over a grill today cooking for friends and family. Here's an article that lists some of the best gadgets to help you grill like a geek. Whether you want some high-tech tongs, thermometers you can monitor from your phone, or a complete grilling station with wi-fi, there is bound to be a tool here that will make your day easier and a lot more fun.

169 comments

  1. Use your WoW character's cooking skills! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Do it online instead!

    1. Re:Use your WoW character's cooking skills! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My cooking skill is only 42, you insensitive clod!

    2. Re:Use your WoW character's cooking skills! by Lord+Lode · · Score: 1

      Since when are geeks "grilling" stuff? I though geeks were busy visualizing mathematical functions and solving crypto problems on their trusty old desktop computers that have hundreds of wires coming out of the back, or solving their 8x8x8 rubik's cube.

      Maybe they mean "Grilling for Techies"?

    3. Re:Use your WoW character's cooking skills! by FairAndHateful · · Score: 1

      Since when are geeks "grilling" stuff?

      You've obviously been living under a rock for several years. Check it out.

    4. Re:Use your WoW character's cooking skills! by Lord+Lode · · Score: 1

      Erm, ok, I mean, since when are geeks "grilling" stuff, unless it's a geek who has their interest in grilling of course. But I'm very sure that in that case, it wouldn't involve an iPhone app.

    5. Re:Use your WoW character's cooking skills! by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      If some geek hadn't figured out that meat over a fire > raw meat, you'd still be wandering the veldt, trying to figure out what the big black monolith is up to. Sure, it happened a few years ago, but we don't talk shit about Tesla because he's an oldfag.

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    6. Re:Use your WoW character's cooking skills! by Khyber · · Score: 2

      "Since when are geeks "grilling" stuff?"

      You must not use nVidia GPUs. I use mine to cook ribs while I'm playing Metro 2033 at maximum everything.

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    7. Re:Use your WoW character's cooking skills! by xclr8r · · Score: 1
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  2. Amazing by ccguy · · Score: 2, Funny

    Loved the list! There's even some iGrill apps for your iPhone. It's always a great idea to have your smartphone close to the grill when you are cooking. Why didn't I think of this before?

    1. Re:Amazing by LateArthurDent · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's always a great idea to have your smartphone close to the grill when you are cooking.

      Right up until you said that, I thought you were serious, and got actually worried there was a large market for the items in the article among slashdot readers :)

      Seriously, being a geek isn't about using electronic gadgets. It's about obsessing over a subject and seeking to become very knowledgeable in it, to a fault. If you're a grilling geek, you're going to be very interested in grilling, and wouldn't want to be distracted by smartphones and wi-fi.

      And if you're a gadget geek who is forced to grill, the only thing you want is a gadget that will do the grilling for you, without your intervention.

    2. Re:Amazing by hazah · · Score: 2

      It's about obsessing over a subject and seeking to become very knowledgeable in it, to a fault.

      The chinese called this "Kung Fu" or "Gong Fu". A very old, and very facinating topic.

      Though I'm unsure about the "to a fault" bit. Maybe I over analized but it seems to suggest that something else, that is ncecessary, is neglected. The two do not have to corelate. I tend to call it balance, I think they did too.

    3. Re:Amazing by solarissmoke · · Score: 2

      I'm not sure whether "over analized" is supposed to be some sort of pun, or is just an unfortunate spelling mistake...

    4. Re:Amazing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That is what 99% of Americans will do. The over-obsessed idiots here, though, are another story.

    5. Re:Amazing by s2jcpete · · Score: 4, Funny

      Since we are generalizing whole societies from a posting on a technology site, I can infer that asians are very judgmental?

    6. Re:Amazing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I think you're confusing geek and nerd. Geek's are, for example, most Apple users who love tech but couldn't tell a FET from a BJT. A nerd can tell you the reasons why PowerPC was a better CPU architecture over x86 for the Mac.

    7. Re:Amazing by donscarletti · · Score: 1

      I learned how to celebrate from my Chinese boss. Nice family dinner with wife and son, then they go home and we hit the Maotai hard with the mistress de jour and a few KTV hostesses.

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    8. Re:Amazing by neonKow · · Score: 1

      We Americans also happen to be the best at exporting our culture, especially the stupid, lazy parts, so you may laugh at us now, but in 5-10 years, expect to find yourself doing the exact same thing.

    9. Re:Amazing by Hatta · · Score: 1

      You don't even need to geek up the grill in order to do it right. The most complicated machine you're going to need is a timer.

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    10. Re:Amazing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Seriously, being a geek isn't about using electronic gadgets. It's about obsessing over a subject and seeking to become very knowledgeable in it, to a fault. If you're a grilling geek, you're going to be very interested in grilling, and wouldn't want to be distracted by smartphones and wi-fi.

      I disagree whole heartedly. I am in many many ways a geek, in my career and in my home life.

      in my home life, I _LOVE_ to grill.

      But when I'm doing an 18+ hour beef brisket, I would _love_ to have a (wifi) device that I could work with to get temperatures on my linux box, and send me alerts if the temps go outside of bounds so I can fix the problem. I don't spend 18 hours staring at the temp guage, as I like to enjoy life. I would also love to be able to graph my temps with cacti, particularly my meat temps so I can learn more about the plateaus and get things just right time after time.

      does it make me less geeky that I want to use automation to get rid of the tedious parts of grilling, so i can enjoy other things?

      How is this any different than me wanting to monitor my DNS server, disk array, web server for abnormal conditions, then react to them?

      go be judgemental somewhere else, and stop trying to define 'geek' to fit your view of life.

    11. Re:Amazing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      No, a thermometer. A timer will tell you when it should be done, given a set of conditions. A thermometer will tell you when it is done, regardless of the food thickness, flame temperature, using an unfamiliar grill, etc.

    12. Re:Amazing by Mindcontrolled · · Score: 1

      Never really got why one would use thermometers, timers and stuff like that for grilling. On a low-temp slow roast, perhaps, but mostly just poke it with your fingers. They are great sensors. Shitload of nerves in your fingertips, they will tell you all you need to know as long as you actually care to learn how to read the data. Well, you probably have more sensory nerve endings in the glans penis, but I don't think poking grilling steaks with your dick is a prudent idea....

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    13. Re:Amazing by hazah · · Score: 1

      Sadly... the latter :(.

    14. Re:Amazing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you are mistaking geeks for hipsters. Many (if not most) users of Apple devices got them because it was cool to do so. That the devices are sometimes useful is a happy side-effect.

      Tech geeks and nerds both should recognize how constraining the walled garden model is and how detrimental to users and technological progress it is. Additionally, it is incredibly frustrating having a device you can't really tinker with, much like if you bought a car where the hood was welded shut, the oil filter required a lift to get to, and even rotating your tires required a trip to the dealership.

    15. Re:Amazing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i'd argue that , on average, any sort of "purebred" family is closer than one filled with "mutts"

    16. Re:Amazing by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 1

      Yeahhhhhh... :) As soon as I saw 'iGrill' I hit the back button and stopped reading the article.

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    17. Re:Amazing by LordLucless · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think you are spuriously inserting your own definitions into those terms to meet your own need to feel superior to someone.

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    18. Re:Amazing by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      By that logic, it's the "inbred" families that would be closest, but empirical data tells us that those people just end up posting racial bullshit on slashdot when they should be out barbecuing.

    19. Re:Amazing by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Damn right.

      The burgers ain't done till I hear my brother scream "FUCK! Honey, get me the aloe!"

    20. Re:Amazing by TubeSteak · · Score: 2

      Since we are generalizing whole societies from a posting on a technology site, I can infer that asians are very judgmental?

      In Korea, only old people are very judgemental

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    21. Re:Amazing by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      I don't think poking grilling steaks with your dick is a prudent idea....

      Guess you're eating vegetarian if you come over to my house.

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    22. Re:Amazing by Macgrrl · · Score: 1

      I've been an Apple user since '87. I'm a former Certified Apple Engineer. I used to be an authorised warranty repairer and could strip and rebuild a PowerBook in roughly 15 minutes. I could list the default contents of a system folder from memory and knew all the quirks of memory allocation for smooth running. ResEdit was one of my favourite tools. Don't get me started on the black art that was SCSI (was trying to explain it to a colleague earlier today).

      I don't do all that any more. And I think that's a GOOD thing.

      I'm not a car geek. Rotating my tires does require a trip to the dealer AFAIK (or a type store). My car gets me from A to B quite happily and I have clocked up about 150,000 kms on it in the last 8 years. I don't need to know how to service my car to benefit from it's primary function.

      Why do people persist in the myth that you can't benefit from a computer unless you can build either the hardware or OS from scratch? The VAST majority of computer users use their computers like I use my car. To get from a digital point A to a digital point B.

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    23. Re:Amazing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He wasn't saying you needed to understand a computer to benefit from it. He was saying real geeks like to tinker, and you made a very fine argument for classifying yourself as a former (as opposed to current) geek.

    24. Re:Amazing by JasperHW · · Score: 1

      you made a very fine argument for classifying yourself as a former (as opposed to current) geek.

      As if referring to herself as a "macgrrl" and then referencing a 10+ year old OS didn't already do that.

    25. Re:Amazing by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 2

      With experience you don't even need a thermometer. With experience and practice you can tell how done meat is by poking it with your finger to see how firm it is. It does take a fair amount of practice. Also for best grilling results don't use a fork to flip the meat, use a spatula or tongs as they won't pierce the meat. This will keep the juices inside the meat so even if you have someone who likes their steaks well done they will still be juicy. This is also why I don't like using a thermometer.

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    26. Re:Amazing by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      Damn straight. I only use the thermometer when cooking a roast in the oven. I use the finger poke method for steaks and burgers, for brats they are done when you can feel them boiling on the inside when you pick them up with tongs (they vibrate).

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  3. iGrill? Pah! by gallondr00nk · · Score: 5, Funny

    I grill my food using a Prescott P4 with the heatsink off.

    1. Re:iGrill? Pah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's a low blow.

      My Thorobred A (2000+) runs way hotter than my Prescott. (Yes, they still run)

      The Prescott using its stock HSF. The Athlon fried its stock fan, so I replaced it with something I thought was extreme overkill... A nice big heatsink and a 8000RPM Delta fan. Delta fans at the time were the fastest, most air-moving fans in the aftermarket. The unfortunate downside was the loud noise it generated.

      The sad thing is, the Athlon still overheats.

    2. Re:iGrill? Pah! by Aranykai · · Score: 1

      Sounds like you have bad conduction to the heatsink. Clean that thing off and lap it. Should improve things noticeably.

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  4. Paid advertisement by chepati · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Slashdot, please have some journalistic integrity and label these advertisements for what they truly are. Don't insult our intelligence by trying to pass them off as true stories.

    chepati.

    1. Re:Paid advertisement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must be old around here. Just about everything on Slashdot is about the money anymore.

    2. Re:Paid advertisement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, that is really annoying.

      Anonymous Coward.

    3. Re:Paid advertisement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some people just need their name plastered everywhere I suppose.

    4. Re:Paid advertisement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's worse than that. Blowing the dust off the title it reads: Grilling Forty Geeks!
      It's a trap!

    5. Re:Paid advertisement by Mr2cents · · Score: 1

      And the site itself is just horrible. I think I finally found some competition for the most annoying website ever (it's time to add some new features, instructables.com!)

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  5. hmph by Stem_Cell_Brad · · Score: 2

    Not very innovative and geeky. Let's see a gyroscopic pig roasting spit or a hack for my parabolic Weber turning it into antenna.

  6. Not so geeky, imo by TheGreatOrangePeel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Some iPhone apps and a couple of gimmicky products ... Where's the Arduino based TC4C with LCD readout to use programming and thermocouples to tell you when your food is done. Where's the PID controlled BBQ smoker from a couple of flower pots and electric stove heating element? These are just the things from the top of my head! I'm probably burning some karma with this post, but I'm very disappointed.

    1. Re:Not so geeky, imo by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'm probably burning some karma with this post, but I'm very disappointed.

      Well if you are, then I'm right there with you. Hell, I remember seeing the guy with what looked like a homemade PID controller for his cheap smokers on that BBQ "reality" show, winning competitions and so on against people with stupendously expensive equipment and thinking "I've seen code for that." Indeed, I've been thinking harder about doing some PID projects since they're so simple (once someone else has done the hard parts.)

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    2. Re:Not so geeky, imo by ciderbrew · · Score: 1

      :) - magic idea. I've been wanting to get a BBQ smoker but thought it too much bother to have to cook something for hours. What do you call the "hard parts"? maybe those are the easy bit for me.

  7. Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gadgets officially branded geeky by someone online! Now you're a real geek, yo!

  8. Translation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think what you are talking about is called a "Barbie" where I come from

    And its raining right now, I think rain is attracted to BBQ events worldwide.

    1. Re:Translation by 6Yankee · · Score: 1

      She doesn't grill very well, though, in any sense.

    2. Re:Translation by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

      Weather is not really a factor for most serious grillers. Having spent a few years living in the Cascade Mountains in Washington state, I've grilled outdoors with several feet of snow on the ground. And rain? This is the Pacific Northwest, if you don't want to grill in the rain, you might as well hang it up.

      As for "geeky" grilling tools, long before high-tech met the BBQ grill, I was using one of these to temp my meat. Other than that all you need is tongs...

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    3. Re:Translation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think what you are talking about is called a "Barbie" where I come from

      Only because you culinary heathens don't understand the difference between barbecuing and grilling.

      Barbecuing is a slow process involving a lot of smoke. Grilling is a quick process that involves lots of radiant heat. If the cooking time is measured in hours, it's barbecuing. If it's measured in minutes, it's grilling.

  9. First priciples are the best for grilling by hey · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Get the heaviest BBQ you can afford (and fits into you space).
    Pay attention first hand - don't use an app.
    Beer.
    Success.

    1. Re:First priciples are the best for grilling by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As someone who fixes things for friends and family, I find the first principle for great grilling is let them cook for you to make up for some of the countless hours you've spent helping them.

    2. Re:First priciples are the best for grilling by xmas2003 · · Score: 1

      Here's a pretty Heavy BBQ for 'ya - size matters when it comes to grilling! ;-)

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    3. Re:First priciples are the best for grilling by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      The best BBQs are the ones made from those thick heavy metal drums or fuel tanks. Cut it in half, weld on some heavy hinges, a frame, handles, and some vents. Mine is made from a 55 gallon drum, one of my dad's friends made one from an old 500 gallon fuel oil tank.

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  10. Sorry but... by nozzo · · Score: 5, Funny

    .. there was not even one mention of an Arduino controlled grill with bluetooth temperature sensors that tweets when it's done. I want my click back.

  11. Thermocouple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I use a type k thermocouple (food grade probe) to check the temp of meat I'm grilling.

  12. Astroturf write our stories now? by DeeEff · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Really guys? Slow news day would be one thing, but this is ridiculous.

    At least show some honesty for what this is.
    P.S. in case you don't know what this is, I'll remind you that I check off the disable ads button, and use ad block. Still I read this and get upset. Wtf slash dot?

    1. Re:Astroturf write our stories now? by twistofsin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Slashdot's not responsible for you being upset. Grow some thicker skin, this is the fucking internet :P

    2. Re:Astroturf write our stories now? by simoncpu+was+here · · Score: 1

      I used to get upset too, but I realized that this is the (fair) price we have to pay for enjoying a free service.

    3. Re:Astroturf write our stories now? by elsurexiste · · Score: 2

      Agreed.

      I lived in Argentina and Uruguay, where grilling is a cultural thing. Even vegetarians know how to cook meat in a grill (yeah, I happen to know one). I've been to a lot of "asados" with geeks, and the best tools you can have are an eyeball and a tongue. Any gadget is needlessly baroque; an article on this is shameless advertising on useless gadgetry.

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    4. Re:Astroturf write our stories now? by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately useless gadgetry is what makes the US economy go now. This seems to be especially true in the world of cooking. What I want is set of good thick stainless steel copper bottom sauce pans, a couple of stainless steel (non coated) fry pans, a couple cast iron fry pans, a good set of forged knives (the only serrated ones are the steak knives and bread knife), etc. I don't need some overly expensive Teflon coated anodized aluminum fry pan with special ribbed interior surface.

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  13. Hot dog! by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

    Pfeh!

    I had a semicylinder reflector griller perfect for one kebob or footlong hotdog at a time, 20 minutes per.

    This was back in the 70's before environmentalism was "cool", and it was called ecology. >:-(

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  14. More like grilling for the gadget-obsessed by The+Stranger · · Score: 5, Informative

    Personally, I think most of these gadgets are worthless. Yes, a thermometer is useful (but I prefer the instant-read kind like the Thermapen for quick checks in multiple locations). Otherwise, you really only need a good pair of extra-long tongs (that 3-in-1 thing in TFA looks clunky as heck) and a spatula.

    If you really want to grill like a geek, check out Kenji Alt's Food Lab posts over on Serious Eats. He's got a nice guide up right now on how to grill a steak the right way (complete with explanations based on food science and his own experiments), and he's been doing a series on the best inexpensive steaks (at least, inexpensive compared to porterhouse and tenderloin).

    1. Re:More like grilling for the gadget-obsessed by Anrego · · Score: 1

      I'll second the Serious Eats recommendation. Some very good advice and presented in a very digestible (hah) way. As a grilling newb, I’ve put a lot of the info to use and actually seen results.

  15. True Grilling for Geeks - Not an Ad by Internal+Modem · · Score: 2

    The submission is an ad. True geeks aren't just about gadgets, but rather they focus on being knowledgeable in a particular field.

    When it comes to grilling (and real BBQ) this is the ultimate geek reference:
    BBQ FAQ

  16. Protip by Mashiki · · Score: 3, Interesting

    To my fellow geeks, if you've never grilled now's the time to start! If you fail, don't worry. This is how you learn, like learning how much you hate java but don't mine C#. But the secret? The secret is to find a sauce, or make a sauce that's all your own. But grilling in itself? You don't need hightech junk, you need patience and the want to learn.

    My personal recipe: All done to taste,
    Ketchup, yellow mustard, parmesan cheese (powder or bricked shredded), garlic powder, pepper(varieties are your friend), dried sweet red pepper, sweet dried onion. Dash of milk or cream, dash of sugar(icing, brown or white to sweeten, can also use honey), then 1/3 to 1/2c of your favorite beer or 1 to 2 shots of your favorite hard booze.

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    1. Re:Protip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The secret to cooking well is the secret to doing anything well. Analyze what you've done; look at what wasn't perfect and try to understand why; then use the lessons learned to do it better next time.

      If you're any good at programming this mindset should be second nature.

    2. Re:Protip by mrjb · · Score: 2

      Nice, but you forgot the geeky bit. Slow-cook chicken bits (legs/drumsticks/wings) for several hours at 70-75C in a marinade of water, honey, sweet soy sauce, tomato puree, pepper, garlic, ginger, chillies and onion. Pat dry, then grill on coal. Meanwhile reduce the marinade into a sauce. Use for basting and pour over the chicken after grilling. The low slow-cooking temperature is high enough to kill off bacteria, yet low enough to prevent the collagen in the chicken to contract to the point where it gets bone-dry. Result: Fall of the bone, succulent chicken with a great BBQ flavour. Perfect every time... and you'll never have to worry about chicken that's black on the outside and raw on the inside. Reducing the sauce down will intensify the flavour (and as any chicken flavour lost into the marinade is added back onto the chicken, it will be bursting with flavour).

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    3. Re:Protip by blue_teeth · · Score: 1

      I believe in two simple principles in cooking - heat & proportion.

      Get it right, you've got a dish.

      bon apetit

    4. Re:Protip by elsurexiste · · Score: 1

      You should try it without sauce, putting coarse salt on the meat before cooking. When I grill, I know people are in it for the red beauty, so I cook something pure and leave dressings for the salad or potatoes.

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    5. Re:Protip by Mindcontrolled · · Score: 1

      Indeed. That's proper food geekdom - not some gadgets of marginal use. I'd throw in a few slices of lime and a bit of chopped cilantro for the marinade, but hey, you can play with the taste.

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    6. Re:Protip by shiftless · · Score: 1

      To my fellow geeks, if you've never grilled now's the time to start! If you fail, don't worry. This is how you learn, like learning how much you hate java but don't mine C#. But the secret? The secret is to find a sauce, .... etc etc continuing on

      I see what you did there.

  17. I guess a thermometer is a "gadget" by sjbe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The only "gadget" that is really necessary is a decent thermometer appropriate to the task at hand. I say it is a gadget because if you really know what you are doing a thermometer is optional. (I'm not that good so I use thermometers heavily when cooking and have a wide variety of them - the most gadgety one I have is an infrared thermometer for non-contact temp readings) A good grill, a fire extinguisher, some tongs and possibly a spatula are pretty much the only requirements. You really shouldn't be walking away from the grill while cooking for safety reasons so I don't really understand the point of remote monitoring except for really low & slow cooking like BBQ. The best "gadget" you can get is a geeky cookbook like the ones Alton Brown writes.

    1. Re:I guess a thermometer is a "gadget" by zerro · · Score: 3, Informative

      +1 I picked up Alton Brown's Good Eats: The Early Years a while back and like the TV show of its namesake, it is as informative as it is entertaining.

    2. Re:I guess a thermometer is a "gadget" by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      Shouldn't be walking away from the grill due to safety reasons? What kind of condition is your grill in? Do you recommend I stand there for hours while something cooks? A quality grill in good condition should be as safe as a gas stove. Even safe if you're using charcoal. While you probably shouldn't take a nap while you're grilling, I don't think it's a bad idea to go back into the kitchen while something is cooking to prepare other parts of the meal.

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    3. Re:I guess a thermometer is a "gadget" by Khyber · · Score: 1

      "Shouldn't be walking away from the grill due to safety reasons? What kind of condition is your grill in?"

      NEVER leave a fire unattended.

      Especially if you're using mesquite wood for grilling.

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    4. Re:I guess a thermometer is a "gadget" by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      Do you have a gas furnace or a gas water heater. Just to be clear, those use fire. Nothing wrong with leaving a fire unattended under the right circumstances.

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    5. Re:I guess a thermometer is a "gadget" by Khyber · · Score: 1

      I have an instant gas water heater. When the water shuts off, so does the gas. No unattended ANYTHING.

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  18. Geek Firestarter by jimbrooking · · Score: 1

    Maybe some of you haven't seen this uber-geek way to get the charcoal started: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sab2Ltm1WcM

    1. Re:Geek Firestarter by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      Can't view the video from work but I always like using the BernzOMatic propane brazing torch, a small cylinder of propane lasts about a year, gets the coals ready faster than lighter fluid, electric heater, or coal starter can, and costs less than lighter fluid.

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  19. this is just sad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Really? And you guys wonder why geeks don't get laid.

    1. Re:this is just sad by Lord+Lode · · Score: 1

      Well, the guy in the picture of the article seems to have a nice happy family with children so... :p

      However, the whole article is not even remotely geeky.

  20. Buy by the pound by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Buy your grill by the pound. Good, good advice.

  21. Never Use a Hamburger Press by sed+quid+in+infernos · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Hamburgers should not be made in a press. If you're going to do that, you might as well use pre-formed patties. They should be carefully formed, with as little pressure as possible from 4 to 5 ounces of beef - 6 at the most. The center should be slightly thinner than the edges - use your thumb to make a small depression on each side. Mashing the burger together in a press will make it harder to break apart on the grill, but a little care and a CLEAN grill will make it unnecessary without sacrificing texture and juiciness. If you want to be really obsessive about it, line up the strands of ground beef vertically in a ring mold and then press them lightly together, but that can be a bit of a pain.

    1. Re:Never Use a Hamburger Press by mrjb · · Score: 1

      If you want to be really obsessive about it, line up the strands of ground beef vertically in a ring mold and then press them lightly together, but that can be a bit of a pain.

      Ah, the old Blumenburger.

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    2. Re:Never Use a Hamburger Press by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Modern patty machines take all of this into account--they have what looks like a fine comb that the meat is run through just before forming it into patties, lining up all of the fibrous strands in one direction. The strands, since they now run across the patty, rather then just being a jumbled mess as they are after grinding, actually serve to hold the meat together as it cooks. Some meat patty packages advertise the fact the patties were formed this way.

      The problem that remains is that of quality--you can still throw questionable meat through a modern patty forming machine, and some companies do.

      The solution, while not simple, is to grind your own meat using a counter-clamped grinder. I've found that that zip-tying the cutter-wire assembly from a hard-boiled egg slicer over the output port of a meat grinder achieves the same effect, lining up the meat/tendon fibers nicely (you will have to periodically remove built up meat fibers from the wires and remix them with the meat or toss it out).

      Tip: You don't have to remove the wire assembly from the egg-slicer to attach it to the grinder. Helps avoid wife-aggro.

    3. Re:Never Use a Hamburger Press by Mindcontrolled · · Score: 1

      Lol, Heston's classic indeed. Was my first thought, too.

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  22. Really? by koan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why not take a day off from hardware/software and computers, regress to your caveman days and grill some meat, take a digital sabbatical.

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    1. Re:Really? by mallydobb · · Score: 1

      AMEN! Just throw a slab of meat on the grill and light it up, this type of cooking is mostly intuition anyway, no need to geek/nerd it up.

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    2. Re:Really? by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      No rest for the wicked. Some of us CANT turn it off, btw. If we could, we wouldnt be geeks.

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    3. Re:Really? by TheSpoom · · Score: 1

      No rest for the wicked. Some of us CANT turn it off, btw.

      That just means you don't have self-control. In fact, I'd say it indicates you have a compulsion, which is a little bit unhealthy.

      If we could, we wouldnt be geeks.

      Speak for yourself.

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  23. Real Geeks Hack by Bob9113 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Real geeks hack their tech. And when it comes to cooking, you can buy something that is half as good as what you can build, for twice the price -- as this ridiculous article handily demonstrates. Food hacking (or Modernist Cuisine, if you prefer) is a very big field these days. Want a great steak? Start with sous vide immersion cooking to get the perfect medium rare, then hit it with a flamethrower for the char. Play with your food.

    Immersion Cooker (about $100 all-in):
    http://beach.traxel.com/img/hopped-up/whole-rig.jpg

    Weedburner Charring (about $35 at Harbor Freight):
    http://beach.traxel.com/img/sous-vide/weedburner-char.jpg

    Here's some more info on building your own meat jacuzzi:
    http://qandabe.com/2011/70-diy-sous-vide-universal-controller/

  24. Oh dear. What happened to a BBQ being simple? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sometimes I think that BBQ grill can get so hi-tech that the fun of cooking on a BBQ is totally lost. You should be losing a burger to the coals, and eating blackened sausages. It's all part of the fun. It's meant to be relaxing, so why add stressful technology gadgets to the mix?

    Hot charcoal + slabs of meat (and/or selected veggies) + alcohol => WINNER.

    Turn off the technology when you're outside, grilling and drinking.

    And don't use petrol because you have difficulty lighting charcoal. You don't want to be grilling yourself/your other half/your friends!

    1. Re:Oh dear. What happened to a BBQ being simple? by bobbutts · · Score: 1

      Winning!

  25. Hacking by any other name by macraig · · Score: 1

    Geeks should keep to hacking away at code and circuits and not hacking at the carcasses of dead critters.

    1. Re:Hacking by any other name by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      That is why I will pay a butcher to process my wild game. I know how to do it but it really would be a hatchet job, and I would end up with an awful lot of ground venison if I did it.

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  26. Grilling steak by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is low-tech, but it's yielded consistent, good results for me:

    Texture and taste are best when it's medium-rare on the inside. Once I accepted this, everything fell into place and everyone now loves the results I get.

    And, to get my results:

    - Use high heat on the grill.

    - Judge done-ness by how much resistance the steak offers when you push on it with tongs or whatever. I'm sure this could be measured, but it only takes a few steaks to developed your own judgment.

    - Letting the steak rest for 5 minutes before serving really is a good idea. It's when the final internal cooking occurs (so you can avoid over-cooking the outside), and it seems to reduce how much juices leak out when you cut it.

    - It's worthwhile to spend your money on a smaller cut of good steak, than a bigger cut of cheap steak. (If you're serving the steak on its own merits, as opposed to in a chili, stew, etc.)

    1. Re:Grilling steak by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

          For steak, I go for rare. Body temperature on the inside, lightly grilled on the surfaces. For everyone else, they usually go medium rare to medium. I cook theirs to their whims.

          As you said, go for better foods, than quantity. There's usually a happy medium. I like filet minion, but a good sirloin cooked properly tastes great also.

          The only adjustment I'd make for your instructions is to cook both sides fairly quickly.

          - cook the first side for about a minute with the top open (so you can supervise)

          - flip, and cook the second side with the lid closed (allows for better even cooking)

          - touching every few minutes with the spatula. You know what raw felt like. If it's well done, it will feel like pressing on cardboard. You're aiming for about 3 minutes less than where you want it. If one is cooking too fast, or you want it rarer than the others, move it to the top rack (assuming two racks), or to one side of the grill with the burner off (assuming multiple burners)

          - flip a third time, to finish cooking the first side. Get your clean serving plate, or individual dishes. By the time you come back out, they will be ready to collect from the grill.

        - If seasoning or BBQ sauce is desired, reapply it to the top surface after each time you flip it. Applying to the bottom only lets it fall off or burn.

        For hamburgers, I never cook them rare. Simply enough, the outside of the meat, where there could be contamination from handling is inside, so you want to cook it the whole way through. It will still have a slightly soft feel.

          For chicken, the same applies. You'll be looking for a slightly soft feeling.

          The same flip and seasoning applies to hamburgers and chicken.

          I cook vegetables, and shellfish on the grill too.

          Corn on the cob, I put a lot of butter on it, and wrap it tightly in foil. You want it to seal, so the moisture doesn't escape. The butter will soak into the corn while it cooks. Give at least 20 minutes on the cooler part of the grill (top rack, or on the side with one burner on low). You're going for baking, not direct heat. They can safely stay on longer.

          Baked potatoes get butter in the foil like the corn. Give those at least 30 to 45 minutes.

          Crab legs get wrapped in foil, but nothing additional inside. Be careful, they'll poke through the foil pretty easily.

          For foil wrapped things, rotate 1/4 turn or flip (as applicable) every 5 minutes to 10 minutes, which can be properly timed by every time you need another beer. :)

          I don't see the need for technology to assist, other than maybe a working clock, and a generic thermometer on the lid. The thermometer is just useful to glance at to make sure the grill is warmed up before cooking, and to verify you haven't run out of propane.

          I do have a pyrometer, but I only use it to check temperatures for automotive work, such as finding hot spots on engines (or avoiding burning your hands), and verifying A/C recharging was done properly (check the pressures, then check the outlet air temperature). I've used cooking thermometers for the later also, if they read down to 40F. A/C output is suppose to be 40F to 48F, depending on the charge and the condition of the equipment.

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    2. Re:Grilling steak by beerdragoon · · Score: 1

      Yep, you should always use high heat and let your steak rest after it is cooked. It is also important to only flip your steak once. Some people go flip crazy and do it lots, this will make your steak tough and rubbery. After you flip it, you can tell how well it's cooked by touching it with your finger (it shouldn't be hot enough to burn you). If it feels like your forehead then it is well-done, if it is like your chin then it is medium and if it is like your cheeks then it is rare.

    3. Re:Grilling steak by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 1

      Actually, if it feels like my cheeks, it means it's a grilled tomato.

      I should probably hit the gym more often.

    4. Re:Grilling steak by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      For bratwursts and other real sausages (not the hooves and snout sticks) cook them with an indirect heat turning every 2-3 minutes. They are done when you can feel them boiling on the inside when you pick them up with tongs.

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  27. Thermometers are helpful tech by bobbutts · · Score: 1

    I use an infrared thermometer to check the temp when slow cooking. Every other item I use has been available for at least 50 years.

    1. Re:Thermometers are helpful tech by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 1

      Can someone explain to me why an IR thermometer even works?

      The two reasons I would expect them to not work are:

      - I would expect different materials to emit different amounts of IR light for a given temperature. So you couldn't just look at the intensity of IR light to gauge even surface temperature, without specifying the substance.

      - When cooking meats, what you're mostly looking for is the internal temperature, not the surface temperature. And I would expect an IR thermometer to only be able to measure surface temperature.

  28. When your mom calls you up from the basement by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 5, Funny

    . . . the grilling is finished.

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    1. Re:When your mom calls you up from the basement by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 1

      No, it means I've showered and driven away!

  29. Miami is going to be Black from Dawn 'till Dusk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do these humans have any (fill-in-your-own) manners? From what I see from Delano Hotel's windows... Not.

  30. Better geek grilling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    These are some pretty piss poor "Geek grilling gadgets"

      Those that get their geek on grilling want the best information gathering for the experience. How about this top 5?
     
    1.) A good IR thermometer. I use this for everything from candy, to my grill, to my pizza oven, to my forge, to my fire pit: http://www.amazon.com/Fluke-62-Mini-Infrared-Thermometer/dp/B000MX5Y9C
     
    2.)A meat grinder. I personally prefer a manual one, as I had two electric models burn out on me. I know there are plenty of good electrical ones out there, but I now have a bit of a prejudice... Want the most juicy and tender burger? Grind your meat into a line on saran wrap, and roll it tight, protecting the grain of the grind as one long line. Then slice into patties. No cross grain in these patties, so they are a bit structurally weaker, but it is a fantastic burger grind... That and you can experiment with sausages, fish burgers, mini nut roasts for vegetarians... http://www.amazon.com/Weston-Heavy-Manual-Tinned-Grinder/dp/B000T3ONH4
     
    3.) Build or buy a Sous Vide immersion circulator - Nothing more geeky than this perfection, and it can tie in to some really magical finishing on the grill. http://seattlefoodgeek.com/2010/02/diy-sous-vide-heating-immersion-circulator-for-about-75/
     
    4.) I found this years ago, after watching the smoking episode on Good Eats, and this trashcan build is my smoker of choice since. Though I've since modified it with an entrance hatch so I could change the wood more frequently, and a wrapping of water heater insulation. http://cruftbox.com/cruft/docs/elecsmoker.html . But this leads to more interest in temp. Want a lower temp smoking for magnificent smoked ham this holiday? Lower and slower.... I found a couple refrigerator boxes stacked in the winter could really do some great things.
     
    5.) Last one, not grilling per-say, though the others were not so much as well. This space I would geek out about my knife, but I think the Sodastream (or other similar ideas... I just got an adapter valve so I could refill my CO2 canisters from a standard tank. Super cheap... Playing with CO2 makes BBQing fun for all. Ever carbonate slices of fruit, so it is effervescent on the tongue? Carbonated spirits? Making your own soda syrups?
     
      Well, this is my 2 cents. I'm sure everyone else has an equally passionate top 5 every geek should look into who wants to geek out over the grill.

    1. Re:Better geek grilling by funwithBSD · · Score: 1

      I will geek out about knives:

      http://www.watanabeblade.com/english/

      I own a sushi, a santuku (chefs), a deba (cleaver) and a pairing knife. All for about 15 years. Long before "santuko" knives were all the rage.

      They take care to use and maintain. Cutting acidic foods means an immediate cleaning or use the "wedding gift" set. Especially onions.... I will coat the iron blade in oil before I start and it will still flash rust.

      But, you can damn near shave with any of them, except the deba, but it will cut a frozen chicken... Trade offs

      The deba will cut though raw bones with ease, and will even cut a prime rib bone if cooked. Butternut squash is short work as well.

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  31. Grill Grates by davegravy · · Score: 1

    Not at all geeky, and admittedly contributing to the shameful advertising nature of this story, but of all the grilling gadgets I've bought Grill Grates have hands down been the best investment:

    http://grillgrate.com/

    The marketing seems more or less accurate, though I haven't personally done a controlled scientific comparison.

    1. Re:Grill Grates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought that was "Bill Grates" for a second there...

    2. Re:Grill Grates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seconded on the grill grates, the perforated plate keeps flames from touching your food and channels the heat into the rails so the food only chars where it actually touches the grate. The juiceness and flavor claims are BS though.

    3. Re:Grill Grates by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1

      Thirded on the GrillGrates. I will be using mine in an hour or so. Flareups MUCH reduced.

  32. Not barbecue weather by Gordonjcp · · Score: 2

    For those of us in the northern hemisphere, it's summer. It's far too hot and sunny to have a barbecue.

    I mean really, who in their right mind wants to go and stand outside on a hot day, cooking hot food on a pile of hot burning charcoal? It's stupid.

    Have your barbecue in the winter, when you can stand round a big hot pile of burning charcoal eating hot things and there are no annoying midgies or mosquitos.

    1. Re:Not barbecue weather by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol! +5 funny?

    2. Re:Not barbecue weather by spire3661 · · Score: 2

      Cliff Huxtable is that you?

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  33. Great Timing!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If I order RIGHT NOW I can get it just in time for...ok...maybe the 4th of July...good thing I'm in the US

  34. Geez! Why did you wait UNTIL THE DAY? by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

    Good grief. Why did you wait UNTIL THE DAY they should be used to actually post about useful gadgets that require time to purchase, set up, and check out before use?

    Now any of us who would have liked to obtain and use one of these gets to fret about how much BETTER the holiday could have been, rather than actually having the gadget operating and ENJOYING it.

    TFA was updated two days ago so it obviously had been up for at least that long. A week or two lead would have been ideal.

    This is right up there with not mentioning eclipses, meteor showers, and the like until the day of, or the day before, rather than at least a week back, so people who had forgotten about them have no time to arrange their schedules for a watch-it excursion. B-b

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  35. Gatgets are useless, get good info instead by Madman · · Score: 1

    You've got to be kidding! The way to make grilling fun is to get good results, and that means understanding what you're doing. I use an app called BB Meat Master which has an odd name and looks basic but the info on it is absolute gold and I haven't grilled a steak wrong since. You can spend $100 on a wireless something or other or you can spend $1 on an app. Your choice!

  36. Two fire extinguishers, one to put out the fire... by j-stroy · · Score: 1

    Having had a near disaster barbecue propane incident occur at a friends house, I highly suggest at least one fire extinguisher. Nothing boosts geek cred like swearing at fire department telephone dispatch while calmly knocking down a 12 foot pillar of roaring flame from an openly venting propane tank.

    Discharge the extinguisher at the base of the flames, and using a glove, turn off the tank valve.. it will be freezing cold and the tank will be covered in ice. First aid for flash burns is to immerse in cool water, no ice. And actually I suggest 2 extinguishers.. One to put out the fire and one to put out the fires started by the fire.

    / I'm serious

  37. Grilling for lammas by tokul · · Score: 1

    Real geeks grill with lasers attached to sharks and not with igrill apps.

  38. Bummer, Thermometer is NOT as described! by Technosaur · · Score: 1

    The article preview states: "thermometers you can monitor from your phone". Perhaps HE/SHE can monitor it from THEIR phone... How presumptive... SO, everyone has an iPhone??? NOT! I hate to break it to you, but you and the iPhone are not the center of the universe. If you are interested in the thermometer and do NOT have an iPhone, just keep walkin'. To be fair, there are other items which may be of interest that do not require an iPhone, so it may be worth reading anyway... I'm bothered when told I can do something with my "phone", only to find out it's proprietary iPhone/iTunes. Tell the truth folks :) You *should* say you allow access from your iPhone... NOT "smartphone" or "phone". (gee, can I get that on my flip phone???)

    1. Re:Bummer, Thermometer is NOT as described! by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      I hate to break it to you, but iPhone is the new MS windows in terms of ubiquity. It carries BY FAR the biggest inertia and is almost always targeted first in mobile dev. You can decry the state of affairs all you want, but the the fact remains iOS is the current de facto standard.

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    2. Re:Bummer, Thermometer is NOT as described! by Technosaur · · Score: 1

      I agree with some of what you said, specifically the inertia/mobile dev part, but my comment still stands. I do not favor any smartphone os (I almost said either :). I happen to like the iPhone. Despite the iPhone's success and position, it is not the only "phone". According to IDC, first quarter of this year, Android - 89.9 million units, Apple - 35.1 million units. The same article states Apple 23%, Google 59% smartphone marketshare. . . . Perhaps I should not have posted, but when I clicked on the article, I was thinking of sending the link to my brother. He likes his smoker, might have liked such a thermometer, but now has an Android phone. He had an iPhone 3, 3gs and 4 first. ... I'm just sayin' :)

  39. Now you can enjoy the dark side of the meat by blackm0re · · Score: 1
  40. American thing? by bourdux · · Score: 1

    Pardon my ignorance, bu why exactly should today be a grill day? Is it a US thing? I'm just asking because I never heard of a specific day for grilling. P.S. I live in Japan.

    1. Re:American thing? by Technosaur · · Score: 1

      There is not really a specific "grilling day" that I know of, but... I think we Americans like any excuse to grill. This holiday, our Memorial Day, has some traditions associated with it that are not a part of the reason for the holiday. Since it occurs at the beginning of summer, is near the end of school, AND the first "long weekend" of the summer, certain activities are "claimed" as a part of the celebration. Our independence day is similarly accompanied by images of outdoor activities including grilling. I guess there is a cliche image of Memorial Day (also Independence Day and Labor Day) in many American heads. Outdoor activities, grilling included, falls in that category. IMHO

    2. Re:American thing? by bourdux · · Score: 1

      Thank you for the answer. I guess it's the same in Japan in April when cherry trees blossom then :)

  41. Yes you should monitor the fire by sjbe · · Score: 2

    Shouldn't be walking away from the grill due to safety reasons? What kind of condition is your grill in?

    Doesn't matter. Mine is in excellent condition but I still wouldn't walk away from it for more time than it takes to grab something from my kitchen. Just like I wouldn't leave an active stove or oven unattended inside the house. I'm not saying you can't take your eyes off it for a few minutes if the situation seems reasonably secure but leaving it alone long enough for remote monitoring equipment to become useful is probably a bad idea.

    Do you recommend I stand there for hours while something cooks?

    In most cases yes. (It's ok if you sit down but don't go far away) Plus if you are cooking something that actually takes hours, you probably are barbequing instead of grilling. It doesn't take hours to cook a steak, or hamburger or chicken. Maybe if you are roasting a whole turkey but you probably aren't doing that on the grill anyway.

    1. Re:Yes you should monitor the fire by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1

      Maybe if you are roasting a whole turkey but you probably aren't doing that on the grill anyway.

      I do a beer can turkey at least once or twice a year. ~4 hrs, indirect heat, no flareups, good grill. Start checking temps after a 2 hours or so. No reason to stand there watching it.

      Beer can chicken (~2.5 hrs) at least once a month. Again, no reason to sit there watching it.

    2. Re:Yes you should monitor the fire by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      You are probably the kind of guy who wont let his clothes dryer run when hes not home either.

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    3. Re:Yes you should monitor the fire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      facebooklike.

  42. there are no hard parts by Chirs · · Score: 2
    1. Re:there are no hard parts by funwithBSD · · Score: 1

      This design is from Alton Brown's Good Eats episode in 2007, minus the PID. I am sure it has been around longer tho, it is a cool hack. Alton is a good example of a food geek, he obsesses over everything.

      Works a treat, especially if you have access to free hardwood.

      Run a flextube, I use an aluminium cold air intake hose from the auto store, from the top of the first one to a second unit and you will have a cold smoker too.

      Cheese, nuts, smoked salts, homemade sausage... Cold smoking is awesome.

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  43. Just in time! by RNLockwood · · Score: 1

    It's 1020 now; I wonder if Amazon can deliver by 1600 today?

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  44. Grilling: cancer for all! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cyclic Amides are generated on the meat when cooked on high heat over flame (especially where charring is present). This stuff is highly carcinogenic.

    "Research has shown that heterocyclic amine formation in meat occurs at high cooking temperatures. For example, heterocyclic amines are the carcinogenic chemicals formed from the cooking of muscle meats such as beef, pork, fowl, and fish. HCAs form when amino acids and creatine (a chemical found in muscles) react at high cooking temperatures. Researchers have identified 17 different HCAs resulting from the cooking of muscle meats that may pose human cancer risk.[1][2] NCI's Division of Cancer Epidemiology and Genetics found a link between individuals with stomach cancer and the consumption of cooked meat, and other studies for colorectal, pancreatic, and breast cancer is associated with high intakes of well-done, fried, or barbecued meats. People who eat medium-well or well done beef were more than three times as likely to suffer stomach cancer as those who ate rare or medium-rare beef.[3] Other sources of protein (milk, eggs, tofu, and organ meats such as liver) have very little or no HCA content naturally or when cooked."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterocyclic_amines

  45. No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nothing like creating an overly complicated solutions for a problems that don't exist and then saying they are 'for geeks' and slapping it on /.

  46. Always amusing by MsWhich · · Score: 1

    when there's a misspelling right in the URL of the article. It's sort of like going to work and forgetting to put on your pants. Might as well put a sign on your forehead saying "Hi, I'm a total incompetent."

    Anyway, all of the grill nerds I've ever met have been all about know-how and technique, as opposed to ridiculously overpriced and unnecessary gadgets. In fact, the most helpful "gadget" I know of is a simple chimney to get the fire going without needing lighter fluid. You can make one out of a coffee can, or you can spend all of $10 to buy one at Target.

    If you need your smartphone for grilling, you're doing it wrong.

  47. Wireless Thermometer overkill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Slow indirect heat with charcoal and wood chips. My tech is a discount $15.00 wireless thermometer with temp alarm.
    When it is too smoky I have a surplus WW II gas mask.

  48. Roullier-White vs Gutenburg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is it the application of brute force or the opportunity to recreate lots of experiments?

    Personally, I'm a fan of knowing lots of recipes rather than trying to 'perfect' any one of them.

  49. You really need the Extech Tach+IR too by almondo · · Score: 1

    I use the Extech Tach+IR's laser temperature sensor to check and deliver precise meat temperatures.

    You can make a test cut and in one second of laser thermal analysis you know the meat temperature to 1/10 of a degree. It is much more accurate than analog

    You could also use the tach function to precisely set the rotisserie RPM but I tend to avoid dizzy meat options.

  50. That was all? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where is the infrared camera too actually check the meat instead of having a thermometer that you need to stick in it and later clean, with wifi and a * app?

    Where is grill with a built in fridge that pops a cool beer when it thinks you need one from all the heat with charts displaying ones alcohol depending on your weight, outside temperature and % of the beer?

    Where is the grill fork that screams when you poke it in a piece of meat and screams less when the meat is becoming how you want it, possible a switch on it if you want it well done, red or whatever?

    Where is the motorized chainsaw knife?, never gona have a problem with those big steaks anymore

    The stuff in the article are to low tech to be anything geeky.

  51. CyberQ on a grill? by gmarsh · · Score: 1

    Whoever wrote this article needs a smack upside the head. The BBQ Guru controllers are intended to control the temperature of charcoal smokers, and won't do anything for you if you're grilling. I s'pose you could get one to work on a Weber kettle if you really wanted to, but at that point you're cooking with a grill, not grilling.

    Anyway I'm using BBQ Guru's PartyQ unit on my Weber Smokey Mountain. I'd recommend the thing almost as much as the WSM itself.

  52. quicksand time by Max_W · · Score: 1

    I am surprised that programmers are still coping at all. All these summer times, winter times, changing start and end dates at will.

    It is like a quicksand.

  53. Let's be all tribal about our geekiness, and stuff by Meditato · · Score: 1

    hey guys

    geeks have to grill different

    because they're geeks and have to be different and stuff

    yeah, that makes sense.

  54. What? No solar grills? by erice · · Score: 1

    Reel geeks grill with the sun.

    But they wouldn't use this pre-made contraption: http://rizinsurvivalproducts.com/the-solar-barbecue-bs140/
    A reel geek would build his/her own, probably fixing the flaws in commercially available products.

  55. First-gen Intel Pentium 66 by Hsien-Ko · · Score: 1

    best grill.

    second to that, later AMD k6-2 processors, and Athlon Thunderbird.

  56. content by Versa · · Score: 1

    To add some real content to this article,
    A wifi web server enabled device that monitors temperature of the food, the bbq pit, and controls the fan that allows it to turn temp up and down to control a sterady bbq temperature:
    http://www.thebbqguru.com/products/CyberQ-Wifi.html

    A nice set of add on parts for the webser smokey mountain BBQ unit:
    http://cajunbandit.com/wsm-parts-mods/

    A review of 50 different bags of charcoal:
    http://www.nakedwhiz.com/lumpdatabase/lumpbag6.htm

  57. Seriously? We need gadgets to grill out now? by EmagGeek · · Score: 1

    You do not need gadgets to grill.

    You need two things:

    1) Meat
    2) Heat

    WTF. I seriously hope there is never a breakdown of civilization because today's tech-dependent freak parade would never be able to survive.

  58. Grilling: The Primitive Self by ks*nut · · Score: 1

    Grilling is a great way to get in touch with your primitive self. Personally, the less tech the better and I use the beer method for doneness. Steaks and burgers are done after one or at most two beers while anything requiring smoke is at least a six-pack and may run as much as a case for ribs or brisquit. And God help the person who lifts the lid to see what's happening while the smoke is doin' its thing. Monitor your grill on your I-Phone? - who are you people?

  59. re: s'more maker and other gadgets by King_TJ · · Score: 1

    To be fair, I thought that "S'more Maker" was a clever little device, for only $15 or so. I don't really know anyone who wanted to make those on a BBQ grill in the first place? But doing it the old-fashioned way, over an open flame with a stick of some sort, always leads to messy s'mores with random tree bark bits or other junk on them, from the stick you used. It might be a way to do it pretty well on a grill, and I'd probably try it just for the heck of it.

    Most of that other stuff seemed pointless or too expensive to me.

    The best advice I could give a wanna-be cook using a grill? Buy yourself a Weber kettle type charcoal grill (the model that's around 22" in diameter is the perfect size, IMO). I like their "Performer" series the best, because it integrates their classic grill with a rolling cart that gives you both a place to hang the lid of the grill when you remove it, a place to hang 3 grilling utensils/tools, and a swing-out bucket to store your charcoal. But if you're on a budget, just go with the regular old model for $100-150 less. I've owned a number of grills over the years, and 90% of what's for sale at your typical hardware or home improvement store for under $500 is not going to last more than a few years without rusting out or getting all rickety and clunky, with loose/bent hinges or parts that break/stop working. The Webers are built to last, by comparison. If you want proof? Just look at what's left outside, chained up with bicycle chains, at your local Home Depot or Lowe's store. You'll quickly notice that the Weber grills still look pretty good, while a lot of the other stuff has rust spots developing already, or cranks to raise/lower the grilling surface are getting squeaky and binding up.

    Your typical Weber kettle type grill has a decent thermometer built right onto the lid, and for most grilling - you want to let it get to around 400 degrees. If you didn't load it up with a whole lot of charcoal and it seems to be hovering around 300-350 and just won't get quite to 400, you may simply need to open up the vents in the bottom of the grill (assuming you've already got the top ones open).

    To grill such vegetables as asparagus? Again, get the grill to around 400 degrees, but grill them with the lid off, turning them several times to get an even BBQ'd look to their entire surface. 3-4 minutes is all they should need.

    Other than that? I'd recommend avoiding lighter fluid if at all possible. What works well instead is placing old newspaper or paper towels under the pile of charcoal and lighting it. Lighter fluid is a pain because you really have to ensure ALL of it burns off completely before any food is placed on the grill. Otherwise, you get a lighter fluid flavor in your food ... and it can take a pretty long time to get all of it burnt off, since it tends to soak into the charcoal immediately upon using it. The briquettes that get hot enough to turn white may not have any fluid left in them, but you've usually got those outlying ones around the edges of the pile that are still black ....

    I agree with the people here saying the remote thermometers and such aren't all that useful. I got a cheap one for Xmas last year as a gift that does everything that iPhone ones does, for a total cost of $20 or so -- so that's probably the smarter thing to buy if you really must have one. But IMO, the more important thing is keeping an eye on the time things are cooking. If you've got an iPhone? Good ... set an alarm on it to remind you to flip your burgers after 5 minutes or what-not, but just use the grill's own thermometer to make sure the temps are ok.

  60. What a load of junk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    None of those gadgets look even remotely interesting or useful.

    Can you clean your grill? Getting the old junk off the grill is a good way to start.

    Can you start your grill? Great. That's a challenge for most people. I use a chimney starter for my charcoal.

    Can you prep your grilling items? It's always nice to have something for the grill to do. There is zero prep work for hot dogs, a little more for chicken, burgers and veggies.

    Can you tell when your items have finished cooking? I will concede that a digital probe thermometer is very helpful here.

    My mobile phone was not used at all. And that's what made it a nice holiday.

  61. Re:Two fire extinguishers, one to put out the fire by gmhowell · · Score: 1

    You're gonna need a third, because I'll likely set you on fire for using propane.

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    Jesus was all right but his disciples were thick and ordinary. -John Lennon
  62. Grilling for Enthusiasts by grigs · · Score: 1

    Probe Thermometers: If you have ever used these, you know the probes go bad often sooner rather than later. You also cannot have enough of these. I just discovered that my local target had one for like $7. I also have one of the remote ones that I bought off woot. Bottom line, if you loose signal, your meat will be over done. Yes, you will have to miss some of the Indy 500 coverage to make sure your grill is tended too. Forks: Don't buy or if they come in a pack of grilling tools, throw away. These are basically just meat juice releasers. If you keep them around, some moron will start twirling one of your ribeye around on one of the tines thinking he knows better and should just help out. Tongs: Think of these as hands that can't get burnt. Buy many sets of these. I make sure I use a fresh one ever flip when I'm doing chicken. These can set you back less than $5 a pop if you look around. Spatula: This came in a three pack with a set of togs and another implement that I can't remember because I threw it away. Grilling Wok: I'm putting this here because it manages to do a job better than if you didn't own it. It is a little gimmicky, but it keeps my squash, green beans, asparagus out of my coals. Really, it is an example of what you shouldn't buy. Fish Baskets, S'more Cookers, Beer Can Chicken Stand (honestly, if you can't figure out how to balance a chicken on a can of beer, you shouldn't be playing with fire). Phone: I use this for keeping in my pocket. I like grilling enough that I don't need to make it a computer game. Hands: I use this for massaging meat, applying rubs and oils, and forming ground meat into different shapes including....patties. I don't need a wand in which I can attach rosemary in order to get more fragrant oil on my pork. You know, you can simply just rub on some veggie/olive oil and rosemary before sticking on the grill. I certainly don't need a thing to make balls of meat into disks of meat. I figure that one out with my first thing of play doh. String: For the few occasions when I actually have to truss something up. Beer: This is for standing up/keeping moist chicken. This may seems like cheating, but when you cook 4 chickens for a dozen people, it is always nice to know that no one is getting Salmonella from my chicken and that everyone got moist meat (even if it is a tad done). Also good for soaking wood chips so they don't burn away really quick and you get a nice application of smoke. You can also use beer for timing when to add wood chips (drink a beer, add a handful of coals and chips, repeat until done). Fire Extinguisher: No I don't have a separate one for grilling, but I know where mine is...do you?

  63. Low-tech, high-taste by linuxwrangler · · Score: 1

    I enjoy the Kamado [komodokamado.com] type of cooker.

    It's low-tech in that you don't need any fancy apps to keep the temperature just where you want and you can make some really great food. If basic air-control is too low-tech you can buy one of these [rocksbarbque.com]. And yes, it is hackable.

    But the KomadoKamado is high-tech in the dual-layer isulation and CNC machined parts. (And there are *plenty* of geeks on the forum).

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    "You are not remembered for doing what is expected of you." - Atul Chitnis
  64. Not geeky. by formfeed · · Score: 2

    Sorry, these are just "pretend" gadgets for gadget-buyers. Just the kind of overprized gadgets you can get for any hobby. Usually, they say things like "for the serious foo lover", or "for the real foo conoisseur". Bullocks.

    And gadget-buyer and geek is not the same thing. Even though gadget-buyers are the kind of people who run around telling everyone that they are real geeks.

    This is a geek barbecue

    This is a geek barbecue

    And so is this

  65. Bullshit for pussies. by GNUALMAFUERTE · · Score: 1

    I live in a city with over 15 million people that looks like this:

    http://wpjrnl.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/wpid1574-Buenos-Aires-aerial-view-at-night.jpg
    http://www.congresstour.cl/destinos/ciudades/910-avenida-9-de-julio,-buenos-aires,-argentina.jpg

    But our barbecues still look like this:

    http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/3043946.jpg
    http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/01/28/fc/83/asado-tipico-argentino.jpg
    http://fotos-imagenes-gratuitas.com/carne-asada-asado-fotos/images/02.jpg

    You don't need higher tech. Cut the meat properly (The cuts used in the US just plain suck), make a nice fire using actual wood, preferably quebracho (very hard wood) and light it the traditional way (using no flammable fluids or other fire starters). Let it consume, and when it's mostly ashes, cook it slowly for several hours. Serve hot with nothing but salt.

    You won't ever eat something more delicious.

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    WTF am I doing replying to an AC at 5 A.M on a Friday night?
  66. molten salt heat exchange grill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    where's the DIY solar molten salt heat exchanged grill surface? thorium decay powered oven? home made outdoor industrial microwave cooking blast area? Thousand jigawatt plutonium-doped laser speed cooker? Nanoscale robotic meat tenderizer bots? How to cook a steak using only exothermic chemical reactions? Sometimes the media nowadays seems utterly consumerized and dumbed down, makes me yearn for long-lose industrial scale outside of the box thinking ...

  67. Not much of a story. by polyp2000 · · Score: 1

    This is typical of the rubbish found on Digg. Please lets not allow slashdot to be gamed by stories involving the ten best (insert topic) lists. This is just affiliate advertising disguised as an informative article.

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    Electronic Music Made Using Linux http://soundcloud.com/polyp
  68. Re:Geez! Why did you wait UNTIL THE DAY? by shiftless · · Score: 1

    Now any of us who would have liked to obtain and use one of these gets to fret about how much BETTER the holiday could have been, rather than actually having the gadget operating and ENJOYING it.

    Boo hoo! I guess you'll have to do your OWN research next time....ASSHOLE!

  69. Grills for Geeks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If TFS had had this title, I'd have clicked on it a lot sooner. Damn my dyslexia ;-)

  70. I guess I am a geek by mpsmps · · Score: 1

    The spelling error in the URL bothers me way more than it should...

  71. Re:Two fire extinguishers, one to put out the fire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    / I'm serious

    While your information may be valuable, I'd be more interested in learning how to prevent such an occurrence.

    (Well, not really, since I prefer the flavor of charcoal when I grill.)