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The Netherlands Rejects ACTA, and Does One Better
New submitter Peetke writes "The Dutch House of Representatives unanimously accepted a motion to urge the Cabinet to reject ACTA [Dutch original] (if they ever get the change to do so; it may already end in the European Parliament). Additionally, an even stronger motion was accepted to reject any future treaty that may harm a free and open Internet. This is a good day for the Internet."
I hate to be a cynic, but I have a funny feeling that the EU (or some treaty agreement or trade deal) will just force you to implement it later. And the government will cave, of course, with politicians giving the excuse "Well, it was out of our hands." The RIAA/MPAA and their ilk are quite relentless. If you defeat them in one piece of legislation, they just quietly sneak the same provisions into some new law, treaty, or requirement. Eventually they find a way to get either de jure or de facto enforcement one way or another, usually the with public completely unaware of what's even happening until it's too late. And if your country supports extradition to the U.S., they don't even need your law--they can just use U.S. law.
Do you think the U.S. public would have ever approved of the DMCA if they had actually known about it--if it hadn't been quietly slipped in as part of a treaty that was negotiated behind closed doors, that no one outside of Washington even knew about until it was signed? Sleazing around behind the curtains is what these guys do best.
What political party do you join when you don't like Bible-thumpers *or* hippies?
Why doesn't our president let the Senate vote on ACTA? He's holding the people hostage to a treaty that he signed, and is enforcing upon us, but has never been ratified.
As for the EU: I agree with the other poster they'll just pass ACTA later as some other form (probably through the unelected politburo or apparatchiks). Look how the EU overruled the French Assembly's banning of GM foods within its juris diction..... the 25 nations are not even states anymore. They are EU provinces. They have less power than a US state. Sad, sad times for our European cousins.
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I writhe with jealousy at the enlightened governments in the EU. Compare that to our clueless Indian government that wants to control the Internet despite not knowing how, and you can sympathize with me.
if they ever get the change to do so
I hope that the dutch parliament can find the change to pass this resolution! It sounds like the parliament is coin-operated. Have they looked between the couch cushions?
...to support the USA in their fight against weapons of mass destructions in the Netherlands.
Send in Don Quixote!
Only he can challenge their army of windmills.
(hey, if nothing else, "Don Quixote vs. the Dutch" is a better plot than most of what the MPAA has been making in the last 30 years)
I've invested a lot in the Netherlands over the years; those investments have paid off really well. So did money I put into Canadian stock fund.
Funny how those darn socialist countries continue kicking the crap out the USA, where we're always number one in our own minds.
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...if you are Dutch.
I haven't thought of anything clever to put here, but then again most of you haven't either.
Well, this will mean the Americans will put the Netherlands on the "Priority Watch List".
Which is fine, since it's mostly a government talking piece put together by industry lobbying groups.
According to Michael Geist, we ignore it too because it's drivel:
Me, I think it's time more countries stood up and said they don't want to be controlled by the US content industry and lobby groups.
Saying you don't want to risk a free and open internet is a good thing. Saying you're not willing to be bound by what American corporations want (which is the whole purpose of this stupid Name and Shame watch list) is also a good thing.
This whole stupid treaty is hypocrisy -- censorship is bad, unless you're doing it because we said so, mostly to protect corporate profits.
Lost at C:>. Found at C.
They did not limit their citizens access to it, they just didn't want to be Europe's official drug shopping mall anymore.
Did the press release contain hard-coded Dutch subtitles?
First we defend net neutrality: http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-13886440
and now this.
makes me proud to be Dutch! :P
The media industry is apparently suffering massive losses from piracy, yet somehow still has the funds to prop up new artists while simultaneously wielding a large enough financial hammer to influence world politics...what exactly is wrong with this picture?
Well, they did limit their citizens' access to it, seeing as no coffeeshops are allowed anymore within 350m of a public school building.
>they just didn't want to be Europe's official drug shopping mall anymore.
Which is just poor business. They have been taking advantage of a great opportunity created by the prohibitionist lunatics, and would be foolish to cut off that revenue stream due their own authoritarian crazies.
They won't get us tomorrow. Time is on our side. Nature is on our side. They've been fighting losing battles against technology since the 19th century. They fought against the player piano, AM radio, and cassette tapes and the VCR. They lost. They'd like to kill the public library and the used bookstore, but they aren't strong enough to pull that off. That they "sleaze around behind the curtains" is a sign of how truly weak they and their positions are.
We shouldn't take this lying down of course. No laws can stop this digital revolution, but they can do a lot of collateral damage. Shooting down ACTA unanimously is exactly what needs to happen. They and others who'd like to pull similar stunts must be made to understand that we will not submit to such extreme control, and we aren't fooled by language designed to make it sound like a noble attempt at protecting property rights or children. Unworkable and unenforceable plans meant to attain impossible goals is a terrible reason to turn entire nations into police states constantly snooping on all private communication in order to detect copyright infringement, and worse, stopping and forbidding private communication as punishment for mere unproven allegations. I'd like to see things go further, and have these cartels sued for racketeering and corruption for even trying this ACTA nonsense and all the other things they've done. They should stand trial for DVD region encoding, for instance. For DMCA, ACTA and 3 strikes laws, they should face charges for attempting to suppress free speech, and something similar to interfering with the delivery of mail, as well as the racketeering charges.
Big Media doesn't show proper respect for the people. They and their lawyers also ought to face barratry or SLAPP charges for suing, well, everyone. Hit them hard with fines, and jail time. When they fear to lobby for such extreme measures, fear it so much that they won't dare try it, then we'll have made good progress. Ultimately, freedom to communicate should be as firmly enshrined in law as freedom of speech and religion. The whole point of the US Postal Service being under direct government control was to head off the possibility of commercial interests being in a position to abuse the need to communicate for rent seeking and monopoly schemes. No greedy, control freak cartel leaders should have any reason whatsoever to hope they can dictate what, how, and whether we shall communicate.
Intellectual Property is a monopolistic, selfish, and defective concept. It is "tyranny over the mind of man"
Don't forget, IPRED is already in force, so the announced revision is not a 'new law' nor a 'treaty'.
When the copyright term is "forever minus a day", live every day like it's the last.
And dealing with the notice is as simple as saying, "The work does not infringe copyright," whereupon the photo or video MUST be restored by the law. So it's a few hours hassle..... that is all.
The putback is delayed by 10 to 14 business days by law to give the complaining copyright owner time to file a case, and a lot of free hosts (such as YouTube) wait even longer. With time-sensitive material such as trailers for a newly published work or political speech, this two-week wait could keep the work unavailable for the entire time that it remains relevant.
Captialists, please remember, create create a product by using capital.
I was under the impression that firms in other industries perform research and development that results in patents. What's the big difference between these patents and the copyrights owned by record labels and movie studios?
While technically true, in practise, there is no problem as anybody can setup coffee shops anywhere else.
Did anyone else read that as "Neanderthals reject ACTA" ?
Most of the political parties involved are quite open about the fact that they see it as the first step towards a full prohibition again.
Most conservative parties would love to have all that icky weed outlawed again so people can focus on wholesome things like alcohol.
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