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Rights Holders See Little Point Creating Legal Content Sources

aesoteric writes "Six weeks after Hollywood lost a landmark internet piracy case in Australia, it appears the film studios have gone cold on the idea of helping develop legal avenues to access copyrighted content as a way to combat piracy. Instead, they've produced research to show people will continue pirating even if there are legitimate content sources available. The results appear to support the studios' policy position that legislation is a preferable way of dealing with the issue." The industry-controlled kill switch is a popular idea all over the world.

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  1. Sounds right by kamapuaa · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't even bother turning on the TV, using Piratebay to steal the shows is easier (on the West Coast, so TV shows are available at about the same time). Of course the same is even more true for DVDs or movies. There's no possible business model better than piratebay, the only alternative is encouraging people to feel guilty for piracy, or criminally prosecuting pirates.

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    1. Re:Sounds right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      You mean demonoid.me?

    2. Re:Sounds right by JWW · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I disagree.

      If its on Netflix, why would I even bother to download the torrent?

      of course my corollary for that is....

      If the content industry ever kills Netflix I am going to steal everything and pay for nothing.

    3. Re:Sounds right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      And it only works if you have a US IP address, thanks RIAA!

    4. Re:Sounds right by spiffmastercow · · Score: 3, Interesting

      How do you mean? I interpreted his comment as meaning that a.) there is nothing to steal from the pirate bay (only stolen via the pirate bay), or that b.) what we call "stealing" in this instance is actually copyright infringement which, according to the law, is a much more serious crime.

    5. Re:Sounds right by Fjandr · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This.

      When I started using Netflix my usage of torrents to get shows I missed or otherwise had a hard time seeing via legitimate means dropped to basically zero.

      If Netflix survives, the studios will continue to get money of which they would otherwise not see a dime.

      My order of preference is:
      1) Watching via legal, on-demand ala carte means.
      2) Watching via illegal means.
      3) Not watching at all.
      4) Watching via current mass media distribution networks.

    6. Re:Sounds right by Evtim · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Disagree. Just got 3 titles from gog.com that will see me for the next 5 years. BTW, all 3 I have purchased years before when they were new. But could not miss the chance to get all the expansions, manuals, cards, soundtrack, no DRM (this is heaven!!!), low price, ensured compatibility with modern OS. Am I going to give this games to other people (upload them on the net)? No. I want gog to live long and prosper....

      Or, what would you say about the latest Planet earth from BBC that, upon the DVD release years ago, shipped 15 episodes that cost small fortune to make over 3-5 years period for 45 Euros, postal from UK to mainland Europe included. 10 minutes after I ordered them I persuaded 4 colleagues to do the same and refused to another 3 to copy it for them once I got it.

      That is how you make business and that is how you make a bloody pirate (being born and raised as dirt poor east-European, piracy comes naturally to me) pay and encourage other people to pay too. There are a few colleagues at work with gog accounts already (I am rather good in convincing people though in this case it is not really necessary as every nerd wets himself upon hearing "no DRM").

      So, bullocks to the industry, the lying bastards!!

      P.S. It warms my heart that the content industry with their actions adds considerable acceleration to the collapse of the Western economy. In a few short years people will simply not have the disposable income to feed the pigs with their outrages prices and business model. Then they won't make less money, instead they'd be dead (and good riddance)...

    7. Re:Sounds right by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I somehow own two Dungeon Keeper CDs, both of which are scratched. I bought it again from GOG.com because the $3 they were charging was less valuable to me than the amount of effort required to clean the two disks enough to reconstruct the installer and make it work.

      I mostly stopped buying games some time around 2003 because the copy protection became too irritating and games would often stop working just because I'd switched to a newer OS. I've bought more games through GoG since they launched (and spent more money) than I had done in the preceding 7-8 years. I actually still have half a dozen games that I haven't got around to playing yet, because they looked fun and were on special offer ($3 is less than a pint of beer: it's impulse-buy territory).

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    8. Re:Sounds right by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I don't bother turning on the TV either, but mostly because by the time they finally arrive here on TV, they are no longer interesting, not only having been out for over a year but also cut left and right and what's left after cutting them down to 2/3 of the length to make room for some more commercial is then butchered to death with atrocious dubbing. Why bother watching that?

      I would turn to a legal source if available. I would have a few requirements, though:

      1. At least as soon available as TPB. Seriously, you will not make a sale if you're lagging a week behind.
      2. At least the same quality as TPB. If I get a blurry, low-res version of the show and should pay for it, no sale.
      3. At least as quick to download as TPB. If your server is overtaxed when the show comes out and I have to wait a day, no sale.
      4. At least as easy to use as TPB. Preferably a one-click system, or even a push system that moves the latest show to your computer once you subscribe.

      You might notice that "price" doesn't show up in that list. Because it doesn't matter as much as one may think. Actually, there is so much room for rights holders here that it's a pity they didn't actually use that system yet. Why see the internet as a competitor? See it as another way to sell your show! Offer an add-on to your cable TV subscription where you can get the shows you like for an extra buck without ads. If you offer that only after it has been aired once (maybe the download starts right as the credits roll) people will STILL watch your show on TV and then do reruns from their storage. You not only sell them to your advertisers, you sell them your shows, too. Or even a "platinum premium subscriber" thingamajig where they could see it a day early (for a premium price, if the show's worth it, people will pay good money for such a service).

      For fuck's sake, is your marketing department high on coke and passed out on the office floor or why do I have to come up with that?

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    9. Re:Sounds right by Ginger+Unicorn · · Score: 3, Informative

      There's no possible business model better than piratebay

      Piratebay isn't a business model.

      the only alternative is encouraging people to feel guilty for piracy, or criminally prosecuting pirates

      This is simply not true. I don't feel remotely guilty about downloading copies without paying for them, yet still I pay £15 a month for an unlimited cinema pass, and pay £10 a month for spotify, and I bought all the humble bundles at the average contribution, and I buy games on Steam when they get heavy discounts, just in case I ever want to play them.

      Guilt and threat of prosecution didn't motivate me to adopt these services (i pirate stuff all the time), they simply provided the appropriate level of value and convenience.

      If there were a movie streaming service with as universal a catalogue as spotify has for music, i would subscribe in a heartbeat. Unfortunately Netflix in the uk is barely finding it's feet in terms of content at the moment.

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    10. Re:Sounds right by yotto · · Score: 3, Funny

      I hate to "this" someone but...

      This.

      I'm going to quote you offline to friends, and not give you any credit*. But just know that I appreciate your putting of my thoughts down so succinctly!

      *Okay, fine, I'll say "this guy on Slashdot said..."

    11. Re:Sounds right by hairyfeet · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Huh, I feel the same about Steam and gaming. There are so many great cheap games and it takes care of the updates and MP stuff so I don't have to hassle with it its worth the money.

      What the media cartels need to be worried about is what I've found out from my oldest since he started college. many of the college age kids? Not watching anything. Between social media like FB, gaming, and net surfing they really don't have an interest in watching TV at all. I have to say I noticed the same thing myself which is why I asked, with so much other stuff to do on the net other than the occasional documentary I just have no interest in their crap, especially all that reality garbage they keep chumming out. Now the only time I watch any TV is when I see my parents who seem to watch nothing but CSI and NCIS, I swear you could show those 24/7 and they'd be happy.

      What you need to worry about with stuff like Netflix is the ISPs getting nutty with the caps. they are all overselling like crazy and unless you live in one of the places with FIOS good luck on getting them to roll out new lines so I have a feeling the CableCo ISPs especially will start hobbling with worse and worse caps to try to force you into taking their crap whether you like it or not. I know I'm paying for CableTV I'll never use because its cheaper to buy the bundle than it is just to have the cable and VoIP and if you use anyone else's VoIP it counts against the cap, nice.

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    12. Re:Sounds right by jedidiah · · Score: 4, Interesting

      > If its on Netflix, why would I even bother to download the torrent?

      Better quality. More of the original intact (like subtitles). Better player features (like navigation). Better availability both in terms of supported devices and "cloud networks".

      If frustration with the Netflix player can drive me to BUY something then clearly it can drive 100 others to pirate it.

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  2. Content Paradox by gellenburg · · Score: 5, Informative

    When no legal methods exist for consumers to obtain content in a way they demand, of course the only option left for them then is to illegally obtain that which they desire.

    1. Re:Content Paradox by C_amiga_fan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      According to J.Michael Straczynski (jms), just because the viewers demand content in a certain format or certain time (immediately rather than wait 1 week for the USA-to-BBC feed), does not mean they are entitled too it. He thinks we should stop infringing on his copyrights, as that means he (and others) don't get paid.

      According to me, JMS is a stodgy old man who may be internet-literate (using it since the early 90s), but doesn't understand the old "scheduled TV viewing" model is dying and being replaced. If ye put the show on Hulu I'll watch it... even if I have to wait a week (the FOX & Syfy model). But if ye refuse to put the show on Hulu, then yes I'll go find an illegal copy. I am not going to bend-over backwards waiting for a rerun 4 months from now.

      And as long as ye keep insisting "DVDs are not returnable for refund or store credit", then I'll keep downloading them too. I have a right to make sure I don't waste my money on feldercarb.

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    2. Re:Content Paradox by icebike · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Which leads me to the assumption that these content companies don't give a rats-ass about the content, what they really want is
      to gain legal control the internet. That would be worth trillions, where as the average movie earns a few million. They are using
      content as a loss leader, a poker chip, in a high stakes game to grab control.

      At 99cents per download/view you could easily make back the production costs of most tv shows.

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    3. Re:Content Paradox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      When no legal methods exist for consumers to obtain content in a way they demand, of course the only option left for them then is to illegally obtain that which they desire.

      Uh, really?

      DVD/Blu-Ray

      HBO/Showtime/Cable TV/Pay-per-view

      Netflix/Hulu

      FYE/GameStop

      Wal-Mart/Target

      Amazon

      How many other legal formats do you need?

      Sorry if I have a hard time believing we have "no legal methods" in existence today. How the hell we ever legally entertained ourselves before the precious almighty Internet came about is apparently a fucking unsolvable mystery to the point where we "need' to steal everything.

      As far as obtaining content in a specific way, I can't help it if people are too damn lazy to figure out how to take a legal alternative and convert it to any format they "demand". Not really an acceptable excuse there, especially when legal conversion products are available.

      And to address those of you bitching about movie release dates varying across the world, get over it. That shit has been going on for a very long time, and isn't going to change anytime soon. Learn to find something called "patience" again and wait one more week. Patience IS a valuable asset.

    4. Re:Content Paradox by girlintraining · · Score: 5, Interesting

      When no legal methods exist for consumers to obtain content in a way they demand, of course the only option left for them then is to illegally obtain that which they desire.

      But that's just it: They will never release a product that has broad consumer appeal. If they had DRM that used signatures instead of encrypting it, only allowing playback on certain devices, with an internet connection that's always on, etc., they'd have a lot better sell rate. But the truth is, the product is overpriced and heavily restricted to the point of being useless. If I could make a 1 time payment and get a license to watch A Movie(tm), and to play it anywhere, anytime, on any equipment, in any format -- for personal use... I'd do it if the price was reasonable. But that's the hideous evil about their marketing: They'll never give you that kind of a license. That's what you were buying in the 80s, and since we've gone digital, it's easy to create the extended edition, directors cut, ultimate, super, 1.5 version, diddledodedo edition -- and then we're going to release it on vhs, itunes, dvd, bluray, youtube, netflix, and in 23 different regions, at different times and price points... and you're going to have to PAY PAY PAY if you want to use any of them. Who cares if you already bought it and it's sitting on the shelf -- fuck you, you have to buy a slightly different version just to use it on your new streaming internet player, plus pay your ISP to stream it, plus pay the stream provider, along with the cost of the equipment, oh -- and every time you pay, we're right there, mouths wide, waiting to take a bite out of everyone else's sandwich.

      I'm a pirate and proud of it. Because I'm not just doing it because I can, but because there's no other choice. The business model is corrupt, it doesn't serve the public interest, nor does it serve the artists interests, nor does it really even serve the industry as a whole; It serves about 150 people who are middle men for a dying industry. The only reason bluray has any traction at all is because our internet connections are shit and we can't download it or stream it on demand. There's no reason for optical drives anymore; even mechanical hard drives are going the way of the dodo bird. But these guys are pushing their distribution model onto the world and passing laws and crap thinking it's going to save them. It's just re-arranging deck chairs on the Titanic. Bitches, ship's going down -- and the pirates already hopped in a life boat, cast off, lit a big fatty.. and now they're waiting for the artists and wondering what'll happen to those poor bastard consumers in 'economy'.

      RIAA and the MPAA are middle men. Middle men don't add value: They don't produce the product, and they don't use it. They're worthless. Fuck them. Get the consumers to the life boats (teach them how to torrent and bypass torrent blocking), and let the artists and the middle men figure out whether they want to drown together in each other's cold, unfeeling arms, or get on the goddamn boats and end this crap.

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    5. Re:Content Paradox by v1 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      How many other legal formats do you need?

      Just two. format shift and preview.

      See, I go to bittorrent for these two reasons. First, it's silly to have to go to a crappy theatre and deal with all the drama and baggage there, pay for the movie and the extortion food, only to find it sucked and be out my money. Instead I torrent it and see if I like it. If I don't, I throw it away. If I like it, I buy it when it comes out. Best example: Bridge to Teribithia. The previews they put in the theatres and online looked like it was going to be very similar to Narnia, which came out just before it. Tons of great CGI, a positive plot. When I torrented it to see, I found that the preview was made by taking ALL the CGI in the entire movie (what little of it there was) and throwing it together. There was nothing new to see in the full movie, and it was a depressing drama show not an exciting adventure as the preview suggested. If I had gone to the theatre to see it, I would have walked out halfway through and demanded my money back.

      I don't delete it though because the aa-tards have prevented me from ripping the bluray I legally bought to watch on my computer or on the go. So I go back to the torrent I downloaded to watch. Actually, taking a movie like avatar for example, I've watched it maybe three times on the big screen in the living room, and probably a dozen times on my computer.

      So ya, give me that and I'll quit torrenting. Right now all it's doing is encouraging me to help the pirates, because my torrenting is sharing the content with people that have zero intention of buying. They can't get this through their thick heads though.

      They're just a bunch of "I want to have my cake, and eat it too, eat your cake, and charge you for the privilege" people. They insist on calling it "theft" but then when I ask why I can't do what I want to with it, they tell me I DON'T OWN it, I'm licensing it so they can tell me what I can and can't do with it. Can't have it both ways. Either sell it to me or stop telling me I'm stealing it.

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    6. Re:Content Paradox by zakkudo · · Score: 4, Informative

      You make the invalid assumption that what I want is actually going to be available internationally. I could import it, but the content is licensed for viewing in specific regions. That means I am not legally allowed to view it no matter how I get it.

    7. Re:Content Paradox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So the choices are basically (1) consume the media in the format / context as mandated by the content cartels, (2) consume the media illegitimately (bittorrent download, usenet download, etc.), and (3) do not consume the media at all.

      Only choice #1 results in the producers and artists receiving any sort of compensation (however little it may be). While I sympathize with the desire to make money off of one's own works, JMS needs to realize that if he cannot give people what they want legitimately, then they will either go to a torrent site or just not watch it at all. Both of which will ultimately deny him compensation.

      It's really immaterial whether people chose either #2 or #3 as an alternative - JMS will lose either way. If he cannot realize that, then it's a basic failure in his reasoning skills.

      Adapt to the market or die.

    8. Re:Content Paradox by jamesh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm a pirate and proud of it. Because I'm not just doing it because I can, but because there's no other choice.

      Other than not watching it you mean? Or were you so blinded by your sense of entitlement to the works of others that that option didn't occur to you?

    9. Re:Content Paradox by compro01 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      as that means he (and others) don't get paid.

      jms isn't getting paid regardless. B5 has a wicked case of Hollywood accounting.

      JMS on rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated, Feb 26, 2005

      That's the great irony of the situation. The criteria told to us right up front while we were producing B5 was that each of the series on PTEN had to show a profit *in that year* in order to stay on the air and be renewed. So we'd have these meetings with studio heads who were congratulating us on how much money the show was making for them (again, while we were still making for it), and then look at me, realize what they'd said, and hurriedly add, "Though technically we're
      still in the red."

      The show, all in, cost about $110 million to make. Each year of its original run, we know it showed a profit because they TOLD us so. And in one case, they actually showed us the figures. It's now been on the air worldwide for ten years. There's been merchandise, syndication, cable, books, you name it. The DVDs grossed roughly half a BILLION dollars (and that was just after they put out S5, without all of the S5 sales in).

      So what does my last profit statement say? We're $80 million in the red. Basically, by the terms of my contract, if a set on a WB movie burns down in Botswana, they can charge it against B5's profits..

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    10. Re:Content Paradox by Eskarel · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Well the corollary to that attitude is that just because content owners demand their content is sold in a specific way doesn't mean they're entitled to it. No one on either side is entitled to Jack.

      The problem for JMS is that in this world of pulp media the only power the distributor has is based around controlling the distribution channel. If he won't offer me content the way I want it then someone else will and the content they produce will be just as shitty, cliched and shoddily produced as the stuff he does(and everyone else does for that matter). It's the same problem that's facing newspapers. If all you're going to give me is a poorly researched 3 paragraph blurb, why should I pay that when I can get a hundred poorly researched 3 paragraph blurbs on the internet for free, plus a tweet from someone who was actually there. Controlling the distribution channel isn't enough any more because the distribution channel is failing. Piracy aside, people are no longer watching TV in the same ways they used to, they're no longer willing to put up with content being delivered to their region 6 months later after everyone's already done talking about it, they're not happy with people telling them when to watch what they want to watch. This is a real challenge for current content publishers, their revenue models are seriously challenged by this idea, but three strikes laws won't fix their problems. Governments are sort of going along with the idea at the moment, but they won't allow a substantial percentage of the voting public to be affected by this sort of stuff whatever bribes they get paid.

      The world she is a changing, and no on really knows what it's going to look like. Personally I see a rather grim future for anyone trying to make a living making low grade content or who doesn't have some sort of additional revenue stream(dvd, merchandising, etc) in mind. Micro-payment will continue to be a bust so long as it's not financially viable to transfer amounts in the range of cents, which leaves either longer term subscription models or premium prices both of which require you to have a product people are willing to pay enough for to make a profit. I just don't really see either the old advertising model or the new one being able to sustain the kind of quality which can put you ahead of every other yokel with an internet connection.

    11. Re:Content Paradox by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If your business model revolves around identifying what your customers want and then not providing it, then it's probably time to consider a new business model...

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    12. Re:Content Paradox by am+2k · · Score: 3, Informative

      You can't please all of the people. (Well, you can. Offer legal downloads for free, but I doubt that will happen.)

      That's exactly what South Park did (well, it's a stream instead of a download, but close enough). Guess how much piracy they get?

  3. Of course, thieves will try to keep the stolen by siddesu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Over the years, the social contract between publishers and the society that has created the copyright monopoly has been abused to such extent, and has created such disproportionate amount of wealth for the few lawyers that run the business, that it is hard to see how they are going to accept a scheme that potentially cuts deep not only in their revenues, but in the justification of the existence of copyrights in their present form.

    1. Re:Of course, thieves will try to keep the stolen by Hyperhaplo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, and the common way of saying this:

      "Show no courtesy to those who show you no courtesy".

      or, to quote someone else:

      "Courtesy is for those who deserve it, and not a tool to coerce others into submission.

      Rational people merit rational debate. Irrational people merit ferocious hostility. Anyone trying to teach you to yield and submit has a motive. Unless they can kick your ass or you need to sell them something, piss on them."

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  4. Of course... by sidthegeek · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's not about piracy. It's about control. Control of the networks is more valuable than any of the content they produce.

  5. It's the money, stupid by Baron_Yam · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I just can't care about 'fair' when there's enough money being milked to make multimillionaires out of actors. Maybe the end product wouldn't cost as much if, say, an actor in a top end show made $80k/year. Maybe content producers could then produce MORE good content to get their profit.

    I dunno, I guess I'm just crazy.

    1. Re:It's the money, stupid by ZorinLynx · · Score: 4, Interesting

      People have short attention spans. They can only really be fan-crazy about a small number of people at a particular moment in time. Many people go see movies just so they can see the actors/actresses they are crazy about. Therefore the industry has to create a small number of "big names". Once these names are created, they pretty much can ask whatever they want and the studios have to pay them.

      The big names are rotated out over time, but at any given moment the number of "superstars" is not all that large.

      It sucks, but that's part of how the entertainment industry works.

      Personally I've never been one to see a movie just because a particular person is in it. But apparently I'm in the minority.

    2. Re:It's the money, stupid by Telvin_3d · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If a top actor only made $80,000 a year... there would be no top actors.

      Think of an actor that you really liked. REALLY liked. That one who completely sold you on some big momentous scene. You watched every episode of their series for years. Now, name three other series they have stared in.

      The reality of acting work is that even the really good professionals are unlikely to work more than one or two really big jobs in their careers. There are a lot of reasons for this, some good and some bad, but either way it is a reality. An actor who manages a five year run on a TV show and then follows it up with similar run on another show probably represents 90% of their professional income, total. So those 10 years need to pay out in a significant way. It has many of the same economic incentive that athletics do with similar payscale effects. The pay of a successful actor or football player looks amazing until you add in all the years they will not be working before and after the gravy days.

      Assuming you could force a system where all actors get paid according to your arbitrary rules the only real effect would be an end of skilled professional actors. A few young people might do it for the fun but everyone else will go get a real job rather than earn your $80,000 one year in four.

    3. Re:It's the money, stupid by Grygus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't know whether you have a good grasp on the scale of disparity here. Most Americans will make much less than $3 million total over their entire lives. A Hollywood superstar is making 18-20 times that per year. A top football player can get ten times that amount as a signing bonus.

      I'm also not entirely clear on why choosing a certain profession means that you are entitled to stop working after five successful years and never have to work again. Sure, a pretty actress's or NFL player's first career is over quickly, but why should they be set for life at that point? When my mainframe know-how became largely obsolete in the late 80s/early 90s, I learned new PC-centric skills and got another job. Why shouldn't that apply to these people?

  6. Black Markets 101 by Githaron · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Black markets form when there exists a market that is not being serviced through legal channels. By not competing with the pirates by addressing the desires of the populous, the content companies are actually encouraging piracy. Listen up content providers. We want use our content when, where, and how we want it all at a reasonable price. Yes, there are those that pirate because they don't want to pay but most of us are willing to pay but can't without going through major headaches. Make it simple. Netflix and Hulu are prime, albeit not perfect, examples. I think most people would be willing to pay more if the selection was bigger and we could save movies offline for later when we do not have a network connection. In other words, a TV/movie version of Spotify and Rdio.

  7. Industry-controlled kill switch is a popular idea by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Apparently "the public" controlled kill switch is more popular. The more these idiots screw the public, the less it supports them. I'm not necessary in favor of piracy, but the measures the likes of the *IAA keep developing only seem to punish me as an honest consumer. It keeps getting harder and harder to justify spending money on a movie when I have to deal with a bunch of crap people who pirated it don't. Nearly 10 minutes of un-skippable shit to watch a movie that I supposedly own is fucking ridiculous.

  8. DRM-free movie downloads by ZorinLynx · · Score: 4, Insightful

    High quality DRM-free movie downloads at a resonable price. As in, $5 or so.

    I guarantee you most people will switch to downloading legally.

    No more "rentals" and other stupid crap like that. Most people only see a movie once, so the revenue lost by just giving them a copy is minimal.

    Most people I know stopped pirating music once legal, DRM-free downloads came about. The movie industry should do the same thing, but they're too afraid.

    1. Re:DRM-free movie downloads by ZorinLynx · · Score: 4, Informative

      Then why are online DRM-free music sales so successful? iTunes and Amazon and such are selling more music than ever, even though it's DRM free. And this is WITH music being even easier to pirate that movies; you can practically E-mail a song to someone else in seconds these days.

      This argument doesn't fly. If you make access convenient, DRM-free, high quality and at a reasonable price, people WILL buy it.

    2. Re:DRM-free movie downloads by ZorinLynx · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's not profitable because streaming sucks. People want to pay for something they can download and "own". I don't want to pay $5 to watch something once, and have it hiccup if the network glitches for even a second.

      Even if I only watch it once, I like knowing I have a copy of that movie on my hard drive.

  9. Well cant blame them for the truth by JAlexoi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As much as I hate these sponsored researches, it's correct saying that piracy will not stop. However, it's also correct to say that murder will not stop as well if you take away all firearms and all sharp implements. There are just some things that they have to live with, not that they live in poverty over piracy.

    Now, question is - how much copyright infringers will you be able to convert? I bet it's enough to cover costs.

    But look, I just used the magic word at the root of it all - costs!
    It costs more to serve the major segment of copyright infringes and will erode other monetization channels. What they want is to shift the costs of defending their "right to profit" to general public. Because it's cheaper to buy off a politician, than creating and maintaining something like Netflix. Remember - a movie contains a crapload of copyrightable material that requires a separate license/agreement to reproduce a derivative over the new medium - the internet. That is why they have geographical limitations - these copyrighted materials might have been bought only for creating derivative works and distribution of the derivative works in US, because it's cheaper to buy nationwide license vs worldwide.

  10. Make it easy, affordable, and convenient by MsWhich · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...for people to legally get content, and you'll become ludicrously rich. In the 90s, everyone was using Napster and Limewire and whatever else to download all of their music, because the other option was going out and buying CDs, which was not easy or convenient, and often not particularly affordable.

    Now everyone downloads their music from the Internet legally, primarily via iTunes or Amazon. Why would I want to deal with the hassle of a file-sharing site, where I might download mislabeled files, files containing viruses, or even just files that were ripped with crappy settings so that the sound quality is poor, when instead I can pay a reasonable fee and instantly download a high-quality music file to the device of my choice? Easy, affordable, convenient. All of this nonsense about stopping piracy and using "kill switches" are just the dying cries of industry executives who don't realize the world has changed whether they like it or not.

  11. If it's unavailable for the foreseeable future by tepples · · Score: 5, Insightful

    According to J.Michael Straczynski (jms), just because the viewers demand content in a certain format or certain time (immediately rather than wait 1 week for the USA-to-BBC feed), does not mean they are entitled too it. He thinks we should stop infringing on his copyrights, as that means he (and others) don't get paid.

    If, for example, Disney isn't selling DVDs of a given movie and has no plans to within the next decade, then Disney makes no more money off me if I don't pirate than if I do. What's the sound public policy behind keeping such a work out of the public's hands if it isn't being distributed or even prepared for distribution?

    1. Re:If it's unavailable for the foreseeable future by CanEHdian · · Score: 5, Insightful

      According to J.Michael Straczynski (jms), just because the viewers demand content in a certain format or certain time does not mean they are entitled too it.

      If, for example, Disney isn't selling DVDs of a given movie and has no plans to within the next decade, then Disney makes no more money off me if I don't pirate than if I do. What's the sound public policy behind keeping such a work out of the public's hands if it isn't being distributed or even prepared for distribution?

      Two fine examples of the "Soup Nazi" attitude of the Copyright Industry. While the fictional character has a physical product that's in limited supply to sell, the Copyright Industry sells nothing more than an arrangements of bits, a.k.a. Extremely Large Numbers. Once this number has been published, it effectively becomes unlimited in supply and at near-zero cost.

      The only thing that would stop someone to partake from the horn of plenty would be a moral code. Adhering to this code would be a lot easier if one were able to obtain a copy conveniently, cheaply, and at a fair (in the eyes of the consumer) price.

      Displaying an attitude of "you can have a bone, when we decide to throw you one, and you better show some gratitude!" is not going to help encourage people to adhere to that moral standard.

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      When the copyright term is "forever minus a day", live every day like it's the last.
    2. Re:If it's unavailable for the foreseeable future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Shareware utilities got outcompeted by free software. 7-zip beats winrar any day. Winrar is still around, though.

      Shareware games are now "indie games", and are on Steam, and in the Humble Indie Bundle that was just released. Or maybe they're flash games on the Internet, plastered with ads.

    3. Re:If it's unavailable for the foreseeable future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Shareware isn't dead, it's big business. On Windows, all the "free" anti-virus programs use nags and limited functionality to encourage people to pay for the full product, just like shareware did. A large percentage of major Windows utilities which describes themselves as "free" are using the same business model.

      The shareware from yesteryear failed commercially because the market was too small. Now pretty much everybody in the Western world has a PC.

    4. Re:If it's unavailable for the foreseeable future by rtb61 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It is not about what is available when it is all about everything being available all of the time and having to compete for the viewers eyes. There are thousands of times more content produced than any person can consumer. Already in terms of individual user accessibility the internet can be considered to be infinite, more content is continually being created than any single person can consume, let alone what is already available.

      That is the cruz of the problem for the pigopolists, the sheer volume of content available and no longer being able to throttle availability in order to artificially inflate the price. They don't want the new distribution models because that creates a further flood of competing content, which under the laws of supply and demand, further suppresses the profit margins chargeable. It is all greed and bullshit, using deceitful marketing techniques to inflate desirability of new content whilst simultaneously burying back catalogues of content to limit competition for viewers in order to substantively inflate profit margins.

      All part and parcel of celebrityism, the artificial creation of creatures of worshop out of empty headed narcissists in order to sell every kind of crap product imaginable including bullshit politicians. Prime example the multimillion dollar George Clooney fund raiser for Barack Obama all to pay for Obama filling the department of justice with RIAA/MPAA lawyers, so a crock of shit to pay for more crocks of shit.

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      Chaos - everything, everywhere, everywhen
  12. Who will front the money? by tepples · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'll agree once you tell me who's willing to front the money to have multimillion-dollar films produced to replace Hollywood's multimillion-dollar films.

  13. Daddy, I wanna see Sin-duh-weh-wuh again by tepples · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Most people only see a movie once

    Of course, there are exceptions, such as single-digit-year-old children who habitually rewatch a favorite animated family film. For me, back in the day, it was The Care Bears Movie.

  14. Clueless by funkylovemonkey · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Most real pirates don't download content for free. They spend money on their internet provider, often being forced to chose more expensive options for no cap. Many subscribe to so called storage lockers like rapidshare and others which have subscription based services usually starting around $10 a month. The reason? Legal options are terrible. This was driven home to me several nights ago. My wife wanted to see the last episode of a show that she had missed last week. I said that would be easy, fired up the network website, found the episode and started streaming it. The quality was terrible but watchable. However for some reason the commercial breaks were not synced right and about a minute after the commercials the show would freeze and then fast forward two minutes. Out of a twenty minute episode we maybe were able to watch fifteen minutes of it. And then were forced to watch another five minutes of adds. Frustrated, I looked for a pirated copy of the show online, downloaded a much better quality version and streamed it to my television. No commercials, no errors in the playback, higher quality, more convenient, and it took less then five minutes to download. It seems like every time I try the legal options the experience is terrible.