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kodiaktau writes "Microsoft has announced a feature called SmartGlass that provides a new set of features when viewing media on mobile or PC devices. Sources say that it will provide context focused advertising/product placement as well as metadata about the media you are currently viewing. Additionally the interface allows you to store viewing data and share between your desktop and mobile devices to continue viewing content between devices. From the article: 'SmartGlass also allows you to view the web on an Xbox 360 using Internet Explorer. The tablet or phone becomes the keyboard and you can easily browse web pages without having a physical keyboard in the living room.'"
No, thanks.
Wow. Steve Ballmer batting 1000 lately.
To be fair, the summary is extremely harsh and implies the feature is primarily for advertising. The article gives an example of displaying a map depicting where all the action is happening during a TV show—a little like how the game Supreme Commander delegates additional resources to dedicated tasks (like a monitor just for a strategic view) rather than simply virtualising them all together as one big viewport.
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How about you work on a next gen console, and stop adding useless crap to your tired console from 2005?
But but but, we can help you find products that you want to spend money on! Don't you want that? Don't you want to spend money? Don't you want to see the new shinies that are coming out on the expensive game system you paid moneys for? Are you some communist that is against buying stuff? And we can build a WEB SERVICE with the RIAA that helps you make sure that you're playing a REAL copy of your favorite movie or album and will make sure you're not some victim using victimizing bittorrent, horrible handbrake and the dangerous PS3MediaServer to enjoy your game system. We just want to give you more purchasing power and help you manage your digital rights. Don't you want power and rights? Huh?
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Because the 360 (and PS3) are "Good Enough"
Just like DVDs vs BluRay, sure BluRays hold more detail, higher res, etc. but DVD is sufficient for most people. Many are even willing to get lower quality for more convenience, like crappy streams/ 'R5' torrents. I would say the main reason DVD's outsold VHS is the lack of Rewinding.
Well, it's certainly similar in concept, but there's a pretty big difference between "interact with this included piece of proprietary hardware" and "interact with otherwise unrelated standard hardware". I was expecting the "standard hardware" to mean Windows hardware, but there does seem to be iOS support, hopefully Android support to follow once Windows 8 tablets inevitably fail.
Let's be honest here. Wii U was not first. They did it with Gamecube / GBA.
But did they not rip that off from the dreamcast? I'm arguing a strong yes here.
they want their ideas back.
They were late to the "rip off Nintendo" game last gen, so now they are on it before the Wii U is released.
LOL. Well, Nintendo copied them back this time (with the pro controller).
What they won't be coping is games that make good use of this feature.
Finally, Microsoft has listened to it's customers and fanbase! People have been clamouring for years to have context focused advertising/product placement on their Xboxen and now these long years have loyalty have been rewarded. Bravo, Microsoft. Bravo.
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you are doing it wrong. " 360 (and PS3) are "Good Enough""
I stopped playing PS3 after last year's madden, the season progression took 15-35 minutes, the game start takes several minutes... time for new hardware...
and alfred sloan copied ford? what's your point?
the second and third guy to do something is usually the successful one because historically the entrepreneur is stubborn and sticks to his narrow vision
"Stop adding value to my current investment and bring out a new platform so I can throw money at you all over again!"
Never thought I'd hear that on slashdot, the place that almost universally derides the upgrade train from LPs to tapes to CDs and then on into the downloadable content realm.
hopefully Android support to follow once Windows 8 tablets inevitably fail.
Android support was mentioned. (Though not in the linked article)
Why not graduate from consoles and move into PC gaming?
If it wasn't for the rumors that next gen consoles are being designed I would have expected the next gen consoles to be stripped down PC's with a content delivery system that works on consoles and PC's.
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The summary doesn't mention it, and I winder ... by phone or tablet, do they mean *any* phone or tablet, or are they going to pull an Apple and lock it to their devices?
to me the non-game stuff was the best part of the show. the latest shoot everyone till they are dead game is getting pretty old.
getting rid of extra crap i have and using the x-box for everything is something i'm looking forward to. few years ago i thought sony was going to do this, but once again sony screwed up
At the keynote they said it will work with Windows 8, Windows Phone, iOS, and Android. Now to what degree of "works" is yet to be specified. I imagine iOS and Android apps might have access to a subset of features, but it's nice to see some attempts at cross platform functionality.
So it's like a Gamecube with the Gameboy attached..... the Gameboy displays extra info about the players or overall maps. Nothing new really.
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Upgrading from LP to cassettes to CD don't offer new content..... just the same old stuff that you need to repurchase. But the 5-year-cycle for consoles provides better sound, better graphics, and new games. We want and are willing to pay for improved technology & the new game styles it permits. (Unless you're still sitting there playing your old Atari?)
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Because consoles are leading gaming now. There will be those few PC games I care enough about to have the right hardware for, but when a game is available on both platforms, I'll get the console version first.
Overhead of the OS. MS tried the "stripped down PC" with the Xbox...it's already been tried. Didn't work.
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Microsoft altready tried the "Smash a PC into a console" with the original Xbox, and they lost a lot of money doing it. It is cheaper to design a console that is easy-to-assemble and save some cash, especially if it is designed to allow integration later on (such as the PS2slim with one single CPU instead of several independent chips).
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The problem is that a lot of the stuff mentioned were already possible before this "technology". You can open IMDB on any phone or any tablet already. This sounds a bit more interactive, but why should I be reading about a scene instead of just watching it? There are some potential gaming applications with it, but am I supposed to juggle a controller and a tablet at the same time in order to get a "full" experience? Doesn't sound particularly fun. (Maybe they want me to use Kinect+tablet, but shouting at my TV is definitely not fun.)
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Well, in this case both of them copied the Sega Dreamcast, assuming that Sega was actually the first one...
On a side note: that thing looks like it might make an original XBox controller feel comfortable!
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Presumably the same reason Lost had plot-explanation captions in some broadcasts—to facilitate sloppy storytelling and information overload.
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Interesting. If they work only on the XBox 720 and abandon the 360, the typical Slashdot comment will be "OMG THEY WANT TO FORCE YOU TO BUY A NEW CONSOLE THAT YOU DON'T NEED TO GET NEW SOFTWARE FEATURES LIKE A BROWSER".
If you bought a XBox 360, all this is amazing value lasting years (minus RRoD issues which they fixed at their cost) and you can still use all the new features like using your existing iDevice or Android device with the new games.
Why is this a bad thing again, isn't it just more value for your money? They're not even charging the 5, 10 or 20 bucks for the big software upgrades that Apple used to charge for the iPod Touch upgrades.
Why is the summary so lame and talks mostly about ads? I don't even see the "Sources say... ads" line in the article... where did it come from? Now we're going to see that picked up in the comments and without even a proper source.
Again, since when is adding features to something you already bought a bad thing? And no, I am not new here. So I guess it's because we're talking about 'M$' on the Slashdot circle jerk inborn retardation channel. The saner people have left in disgust and the inmates run the asylum, right from the submitters to the commenters to the moderators, perhaps editors too.
Because not everybody is interested in PC gaming?
It's just another machine to buy and keep up to date, and it is probably more effort than most people are willing to invest.
I don't play games often enough to want to do anything other than pop in the disk, play the game a while, and turn off the console.
I'd be willing to bet most people who play on consoles don't want to have a PC gaming rig, or they'd have done so. I for one have no interest in getting into the "which super awesome video card do I need now". A console is more like an appliance, plug it in and go, which is precisely what I want it to be.
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right and because ONLY that software was in development since than.... but no, your not a fanboi....
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I can think of a few examples why I'd want this in addition to simply watching.
My wife and I are working our way through all the Star Trek series right now on Netflix, we're in Voyager now. I can't count the number of times we've said "hey, is that the actor from such and such episode or other sci-fi series?" and pulled up IMDB while letting the show continue to play. Having that info auto-linked would speed up the time it takes to find and get us back into the episode that much faster.
Similarly, in a series like Game of Thrones, imagine if you had the full index from the books at your disposal. You could look up who a forgotten character is to remind you of the plotlines. The intro segment on an episode is usually insufficient if you don't watch them back to back.
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Better graphics and new games are something you get in the current cycle, without upgrade consoles. Games from 2012 look a lot better than they did in 2005 on the same hardware.
Except that nowadays the first guy patents it, and demands shake-down money from everybody else because somehow the patent office granted a patent on either an idea, or something which reads as "something well known, but with a computer".
Somehow, we call this innovation.
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Why not graduate from consoles and move into PC gaming?
Oh no, I already spent way too many years of my life chasing THAT dragon, thank you very much.
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Do you honestly believe that the PC gaming companies aren't doing all of this too?
They don't have one time serial numbers? They don't have additional DLC and add-on costs? They don't have DRM that requires an always-on internet connection? They don't cost a fortune?
I'm pretty sure I've seen people complaining about all of these things in PC gaming.
At least on a console I don't have to worry about what other crap they're doing behind the scenes.
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So this time Microsoft is looking to copy the new Nintendo console BEFORE it comes out.
other platform support will be
1) poorly implemented
2) deliberately gimped
3) late
4) all the above
Better graphics and new games are something you get in the current cycle, without upgrade consoles. Games from 2012 look a lot better than they did in 2005 on the same hardware.
This has pretty much always been the case with most formats- the later games look better as they get to grips with the hardware and standards generally improve. Later Atari 400/800 and Commodore 64 games looked miles better than some of the first releases.
Conversely, while the first tranche of next-generation games may look marginally impressive next to their predecessors, it's often not that big a leap, e.g. I remember when my flatmates bought a PS2 in early 2001 and the games looked slightly improved over what you'd expect from the original PlayStation, but nothing that impressed me that much. (The Grand Prix racing game in particular looked just like a PS1 game with higher resolution). Similarly, the early PS1 game Road Rash looked pretty much like a Mega Drive/Genesis racer, just with a few added polygon buildings and some FMV slapped on.
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and the Dreamcast ran Windows CE, so it could be said that MS was the innovator originally.
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If you would of used that same logic to goto YouTube and actually watch the announcement you'd know it is supported on Windows, iOS and Android platforms.
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Erm, no.
Hardware != OS. Sega designed the Dreamcast, not Microsoft. Sega just implemented some of Microsoft's software within it.
If I made a revolutionary new virtual reality system, and happened to choose Linux to run it, would you say that Linus Torvalds was the innovator responsible for this virtual reality system?
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While I wholeheartedly agree that there is a serious problem with the patent system, I don't understand why everyone seems to think this is a new thing. Inventors, or should I say "smart" inventors, have always patented their creations in an effort to lock others out so that they can make as much profit as possible. In fact, that's why the patent system exists.
Right now the focus of patent complaints seems to be largely on software patents, which I agree are largely bunk, but that's not the point. In the past there have been numerous patent wars over a bunch of things that are widespread and largely taken for granted today.
It's well-known that Edison fought hard to keep others from making motion pictures using patents he was granted, for instance.
The story of the "inventor" of FM radio is full of patent disputes and mistakes by the USPO.
There was also significant conflict, with court cases going all the way to the US Supreme Court, regarding telephone patents back in the day.
The point of all of this being that the patent system has always been great for "inventors" and horrible for everyone else. That's kind of the point.
So in summary, are software patents bogus? In my opinion most (and maybe even all) of them most certainly are. But is the use of the patent system to "shake-down money from everybody else" anything new? Not at all. So can we please stop pretending that it is?
I for one have no interest in getting into the "which super awesome video card do I need now".
To be fair, these days it's more like "which super awesome video game is going to finally require me to upgrade my video card". If you get a decent one (less than 100 dollars) it will last a ridiculously long time playing all the latest games at close to max settings. My theory is that the games are designed in the first place for console hardware which hardly ever gets deprecated, even after a new console version is released.
Umm, those were in *reruns* of shows. They were essentially the same as trivia commentary tracks on some DVDs.
It wasn't like these were in the initial runs of the shows, and necessary to understand the show. They were additional info, for fans. (At least a couple of them succeeded in getting me to watch a rerun, when I otherwise would't've.. But I skipped the ads as always, so it wasn't too successful on the network's part.)
So you're claiming that LPs, *with the pops/clicks and skipping*, sound better than CDs? Especially "to normal ears".
That's ironic, with your username. While I haven't played any of my Atari 2600 games in a long time, I do think some are "still" fun. Heck, I'll probably get a Wii at some point to play the various Mario games (from the Wii download store) I never played, which is the vast majority of them... as well as Wii games. (I wish the current PS3s were backwards compatible to play my PS2 games.. In fact, I'd pay probably as much for an emulator to then play ALL of my existing PS2 games as I would pay for the the PS3 "upgraded " [in some cases downgraded] versions. Unfortunately, I may hold my nose and 're-buy' a couple of the PS3 versions, esp the Sony published ones, since they will end up free after credit card points.)
Regardless, I get the feeling they'd've been useful in the initial broadcasts too sometimes!
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Hell you can go farther back than that friend, there were injunctions and patent trials over the first steam engines and that case goes back to 1792. and Watt himself used a sun and planet gearing on his steam engines to get around a patent for using a steam crank design so even back then there were inventors having to work around patents, that's the way its been as long as patents have existed.
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I inferred that you were disparaging them in the original post I responded to. Now it sounds like you thought they were useful.
you're OK with one-time-use serials to prevent rentals and used game sales..
Wrong, that's just as much an issue with PC games.
you're OK with paying a subscription (e.g. xbox live) on top of the top-dollar paid for a game, just to play it.
Wrong, that's only XBox that has subscription fees and wrong again on needing to pay that just to play it.
you're OK with paying for DLC or content packs that really should be part of the game (and in some cases is actually delivered on the game media but cost extra anyway)
Wrong again, this is no different from PC games.
you're happy with the high price of games today....
Wrong again, games on consoles were no more expensive than those on PCs.
and you don't mind all of these things making their way to PC gaming (because you're used to it all on the consoles)...
Nope, they are already in PC gaming because they aren't something that was introduced in console gaming.
Your whole pathetic rant is just a long list of fail, you lose!
Why not graduate from consoles and move into PC gaming?
Because not everyone wants to be on the forums on launch day questioning why their drivers are crashing when they adjust their settings to get a balance between performance and visual quality. Look at the myriad of posts on the forums for AAA titles complaining of crashes with different hardware combinations and hurried releases of drivers to try and fix problems.
I can't wait to get my hands on this! I can't beleive that nobody has solved this problem yet. Hopefully SmartGlass will deliver. i also hope it can talk directly to the XBox through your home router instead of going out to the cloud and back down. We'll see. Oh, and while I'm asking for stuff, let us develop XBox apps using Xaml/C# (or some flavor of Silverlight).
So it's coming up on IOS and Windows Phones? I expected Windows Phones but IOS over Android?
Watch the presentation, he said Windows Phone, iOS and Android.
How about you work on a next gen console, and stop adding useless crap to your tired console from 2005?
Yeah stop supporting your products dammit!
I bear no ill tidings toward the subtitles (although like any metadata for a show, they're distracting), I just don't like the show.
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If you're ok as a game developer making 3d realistic graphics on crappy intel gma 915 mobile graphics with 3% of the power of a real GPU with a console, and no dedicated ram.
Seriously Intel killed the gaming market for the pc. I saw a statistic here several years ago that showed 70% of the pcs sold come with these graphics so horrible not even Aero can run properly. The same games all look fluid and awesome on the console and kids laugh at PCs because they are so slow, crappy, and over priced.
Go ahead and try to write a game for only those with cool graphics. Guess what? BestBuy wont carry it because 70% of the users will say it runs like crap and return and then the retailer will refuse to carry your product.
WIth these 2 problems it is easier just to write it for a console. Sadly, the PC is going this route too as Windows 8 approaches as stores, subscriptions, wireless plans, and renting become the new norm.
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MS has missed the boat on just about everything. The bulk of disposable income wants gadgets, not PCs, sure a single PC is OK, but the money is in phones, tablets and consoles, and trying to turn the xbox into something worse through ads will only drive people away.
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I doubt Nvidia would go with microsoft for the 720 or whatever it'll be called. Nvidia got burned very badly on the orignal xbox.
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It ran wince but it is not a part of the console. The Dreamcast doesn't have an internal operating system. That came depending on what came on the game discs it booted from and only a tiny fraction of games employed wince. Interesting of note out of all Dreamcast's library of games (which is small already) there is not one top title which uses wince.
List of wince games here:
http://www.dcemu.co.uk/vbulletin/threads/43804-WinCE-games-List
You could easily build up a collection of A-B rated titles without having any that use wince.
You are correct (programmer skills improve over a console's life), but exaggerate a bit. The games you cite as examples were probably developed for the PS1, and then last-minute ported to the PS2. That happened with Final Fantasy 4 which is really an NES game, but was retargeted to Super Nintendo near the end of development. Ditto "Animal Crossing" and "Luigi's Mansion" which were originally N64 games, but released to the Gamecube since the n64 had been discontinued.
Final Fantasy 10 and Gran Turismo 4 were both released during the PS2's first year of life, and since they were targeted from the ground-up as PS2 titles, they were waaaaay beyond anything the PS1 could do. They had double the pixels (480i instead of 240i) and millions more polygons for a smoother look.
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considering i only play a hand full of games, madden being one of them... i wish there was a way to update rosters for madden 2010 instead of a "new" game each year.
While that is true if that is the case then AMD got a total shut out when it comes to consoles which sell in the tens of millions to hundreds of millions. That is a LOT of chips and will be a damned nice windfall for AMD, especially if it turns out that the PS4 is also using an AMD CPU which so far looks to be the case.
Frankly things aren't looking good for Nvidia where I'm sitting at, they've lost the consoles, the discrete market is a small niche compared to IGPs which they have been locked out of (which i still think Intel should have gotten busted for antitrust over), and while they may have a shot at Mobile without Apple its not a good market, all the high end pretty much belongs to iDevices and the low end has been using broadcom accelerators.
That is why I thought Nvidia should have bought Via. Their Nano CPUs would have not only worked great in low power nettops and netbooks but their onboard crypto acceleration would make it a hell of a low power server chip and paired with an Nvidia GPU in an APU like AMD is making and CUDA to program it would have made a good chip for multiple markets. now it looks like if they don't score big with ARM they are gonna be seriously hurting as AMD has been owning the lucrative under $200 discrete market for several generations now. Its just not a good position to be in for Nvidia right now, not a good position at all.
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Not to mention Dreamcast and its VMU modules (or whatever they were called). Frankly, it's a shame we've had to wait until now (for TFA and the Wii U) for it to resurface as an idea again.