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World's Largest Biometric Database

An anonymous reader writes "In the last two years, over 200 million Indian nationals have had their fingerprints and photographs taken and irises scanned, and given a unique 12-digit number that should identify them everywhere and to everyone. This is only the beginning, and the goal is to do the same with the entire population (1.2 billion), so that poorer Indians can finally prove their existence and identity when needed for getting documents, getting help from the government, and opening bank and other accounts. This immense task needs a database that can contain over 12 billion fingerprints, 1.2 billion photographs, and 2.4 billion iris scans, can be queried from diverse devices connected to the Internet, and can return accurate results in an extremely short time."

117 comments

  1. And people in the US bitch about a national ID by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Your social security number just won't cut it in the future.

    1. Re:And people in the US bitch about a national ID by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DMV's should be centralized under the Federal government and drivers licenses should be issued by the Federal government. Also, driving requirements should be much much more stringent.

    2. Re:And people in the US bitch about a national ID by englishknnigits · · Score: 1

      Yes, you shouldn't complain about something bad if there is an even worse possibility. That's like, you know, so totally true. *flips hair*

    3. Re:And people in the US bitch about a national ID by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Government should come to your house and spank you every day. You should have to pay a fee.

    4. Re:And people in the US bitch about a national ID by GigG · · Score: 1

      No, that is a state not federal issue. The federal government is granted no power over such things by the US Constitution.

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    5. Re:And people in the US bitch about a national ID by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 2

      I already have this service, although it's not the government.

    6. Re:And people in the US bitch about a national ID by characterZer0 · · Score: 3, Funny

      The federal government is granted no power over such things by the US Constitution.

      When has that ever stopped them before?

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    7. Re:And people in the US bitch about a national ID by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's why the poster said "should be", denoting both that this is not the way things currently are and that a change would be needed to make it so.

      Honestly, the States would be better off to surrender this privilege in the form of some National ID Act, but there are still far too many people who, by an large based upon an ignorantly twisted version of a particular holy book, oppose such a measure out-of-hand, without considering its merits. Democracy allows for even the obscenely stupid to get their way (a concept that I am personally torn on), so we'll keep doing things bass-ackwards until these folks die off.

    8. Re:And people in the US bitch about a national ID by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What happened to passports, drivers licenses, birth certificates, etc?

      This seems unnecessary, expensive, and dumb.

    9. Re:And people in the US bitch about a national ID by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everything but birth certificate requires a birth certificate in order to get. A birth certificate wasn't always issued and when it is, it is a local document (local to city or county of birth) and not the easiest to get to if you don't live there any more.

    10. Re:And people in the US bitch about a national ID by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is a federal issue because cars cross state lines and therefore affect interstate commerce. Thus it should be federal jurisdiction under the purview of the commerce clause.

      The US federal government has twisted the commerce clause into a pretzel to augment its powers in other areas. This would seem to be a slam dunk.

    11. Re:And people in the US bitch about a national ID by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which is itself a stupid argument since it imposes an artificial constraint on proper action based on a skewed interpretation of the Constitution, which even though it does not specifically mention a concept which its authors could scarcely conceive, does clearly recognize the need for some degree of uniformity.

      That's why Naturalization and bankruptcies are uniform, for example. How big a stretch is this?

      But OK, let's play your silly game. First option, make it part of the required Census. Helps to identify the people being counted, don't you think?

      Not satisfied? Declare everybody part of the militia. As part of the organization of such, require the provision of ID.

      No good? Fine, we'll hold a constituitional convention, revise the whole thing, and put it in, as well a as scrap the electoral college.

    12. Re:And people in the US bitch about a national ID by lordbyron · · Score: 1

      already happening checkout the realID law... it is a data sharing and standardization for DMVs across the country.

    13. Re:And people in the US bitch about a national ID by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not just the conservative Christians with their hateful version of Christianity that are ignorant. It turns out that the supernatural is fictional, and everything that relies on supernaturalist fuzzy thinking doesn't actually exist. Christianity as a whole is a hoax, along with all the other supernatural-sky-people religions.

    14. Re:And people in the US bitch about a national ID by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1

      Typical AC moron. Didn't get the joke, and took it way too seriously in a complete non sequitur direction. Sleep well, idiot. Maybe the brain cell fairy will visit you and leave a clue under your pillow.

  2. Seriously... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How long before someone does something insanely stupid and allows access to this DB posting all of its information on Pastebin? Well I for one will begin working on security platform for this and I will call it DIPSHIT "Deployable Indian Protection Services for Holistical Information Technology"

    sil at infiltrated dot net

    1. Re:Seriously... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      A few ideas come to mind:

      1. Pastebin doesn't have anywhere near the space needed to paste these
      2. Pastebin doesn't have fingerprint, iris, faecal sample support (yet?)
      3. Even if you did expose the entire database, it would still be useless without write access to alter the data - so you can claim to be somebody else.

      Number 3 is also a case for every nation that issues ID cards or biometric passports today. But only the government has any access to the database. I.e. it's not sold to 3rd parties for marketing purposes (like the electoral roll is in the UK for example). You then use government issued documents to prove your identity to everybody else. And there's also a chance for corrupt officials to mess your stuff up, no matter how high- or low-tech the identity system is.

      (another AC)

    2. Re:Seriously... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With a sufficiently large database, you could find a pair of people that have one or more features that are identical within the tolerances of the sensors used.

      Fingerprint scanners rarely store the entire print, only capturing elements that are assumed(but not proven) to be distinguishing. Ditto iris and retina scanners. Worse(or better), many of them store a hash of that data, so people with dissimilar features may scan as identical.

      If you can't think of the use of finding someone who has an index finger that matches your pinky, you aren't trying very hard.

    3. Re:Seriously... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice one. You work for the US government acronym office or something?

    4. Re:Seriously... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shouldn't that be "dot forehead"?

    5. Re:Seriously... by RagingGolem · · Score: 1

      faecal sample support

      (yet?) What did you mean by that ? Please explain.

  3. Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "...can return accurate results in an extremely short time."

    My 25 year old dBASE application also needs only a fraction of a second to retrieve a record from hundreds of millions of records.
    It's called an Index. Any database can do it, it's not rocket science.

    1. Re:Really? by ghn · · Score: 1

      And I suppose your dBase application can do an index on a HUMAN_IRIS(2) field type?

    2. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "And I suppose your dBase application can do an index on a HUMAN_IRIS(2) field type?"

      Sure, it had Binary Large Objects from the beginning. You could throw anything at it.

    3. Re:Really? by vbraga · · Score: 1

      A "HUMAN_IRIS" is just a 2048 bits field. Read about IrisCode (pdf warning) some time. It's a really elegant solution.

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    4. Re:Really? by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      I was going to suggest something along the lines of saying hashing the data, but then I realized you want to scan someone's iris and then compare that scan in the database.... Hashing won't work here. DCT would likely work, but is sloooow, the more I think about it the more I realise this is not an easy problem, though really it is if you change the problem:

      Every person gets a GUID. They present the GUID as their ID. You query the DB for the GUID and submit their iris scan as the authenticator. You don't need to parse the iris data for a lookup (that is what the GUID is for, then you just do a DCT on the scan you took and the stored scan in the DB. if the result is .90 or better it is likely your person.
      -nB

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    5. Re:Really? by EvilBudMan · · Score: 1

      Uh, I don't think so.

    6. Re:Really? by vbraga · · Score: 3, Informative

      Iris scanning actually works in a way similar to a hash. You take the iris picture and find a 2048-bit number, the "IrisCode" or wherever you wanna call it. If you want to make a comparison, then you find the IrisCode for the other picture, and compute the Hamming distance between two. The threshold for match or no-match is actually a function of the database size. (I read the paper a while ago and I'm probably made a few mistakes describing it, but it works along those lines). John Daugman site has more details.

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    7. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Natalie Portman sitting naked in a bowl of hot grits.

      Picture it, motherfucker. There was a time the post would have been modded funny. There was a time when reading slashdot at -1 WAS THE ONLY PROPER WAY TO READ SLASHDOT. Now you people just don't welcome the humor that made slashdot what it is (or was).

      Did you even bother to skim this fine troll?

      "I was positively dismayed upon entering the building. The inside of the computer repair shop looked nothing like the image from my memories. There were broken computer parts scattered throughout the room, ceiling tiles all over the floor, blood splattered in every direction I looked, and even a human toe on the ground. After processing this disturbing information, I began panicking and frantically looking around for my computer. I spotted an employee covered in blood sitting up against the wall, and noticed that his wrists had been slashed open. Thinking quickly, I ran up to him, grabbed him by the collar of his shirt, shook him around, and began screaming, "Where is it!? Where is my computer!?" After a moment of silence, he passed away, completely shattering my expectations. Such a thing! "What a meaningless individual," I thought."

    8. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a sneaking suspicion that there will be more than one single point of access for the database. Can your dBASE application handle dozens of queries per second from each of tens of thousands of terminals? No, it cannot, so shut up.

      An application like this will require multiple local cache servers to proxy, queue, and prioritize queries... and that's just to keep the DB from being overwhelmed. You also have to consider redundancy, backup, continuation of operations, and support. How much of that does your 25-year-old application cover?

    9. Re:Really? by EvilBudMan · · Score: 1

      No there wasn't. My number is lower than yours is. If you want something to be modded funny, it actually has to be funny and NOT take too damned long to read.

      I have to agree on one thing though, many more people will MOD you down just for disagreeing, which I don't quite think is too cool. In any case the "Funny" MOD does not really help your karma at all.

      And yes I do read at -1 and yes I read both of them that we slightly different. We'll it was a good troll. You got a reply at least.

    10. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My UID was lower before I stopped using the account. There is no intelligent discussion on this site, and just a bunch of nerds trying to improve their nerd score. Or you call it "karma". You're one of them, because you mention it as if it is something that matters.

      Slashdot is an echo chamber of groupthink. The only reason I come here is to read the occasional informative comment and make posts to piss off humorless jackasses like yourself.

      Nothing more pathetic than someone that takes an internet forum and the comments seriously. Not talking about you here, but some people actually get offended to read the word nigger on this site. Hah!

    11. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You missed the point completely, moron.

    12. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You failed to articulate your point in any meaningful fashion, feces-face.

    13. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are living in the 90s. The hash was made. Yes it's that quick. Even faster.

    14. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think there is something more pathetic - the person whose life is so empty that they can only find pleasure through the emotions of others.

    15. Re:Really? by girlintraining · · Score: 1

      . if the result is .90 or better it is likely your person.

      So what you're saying is, with a copy of the database I could impersonate 1 in 10 people in India. How... very... secure. Point of note: People's irises change over time, unlike fingerprints.

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    16. Re:Really? by Matheus · · Score: 1

      This is not an index.

      Sure anyone can tell you that 0001010101010101001 = 0001010101010101001

      Now what if I tell you that 110010101001010101 has an extremely high score towards being the same person.

      Your lil dBase index is currently scratching its head.

    17. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm a researcher working in the field and know Kevin Bowyer personally. This isn't a huge issue for iris recognition. The marketing line for years has been that the iris does not change over one's lifetime, but this isn't particularly surprising in the field. It is, I believe, the first time there has been a decent-sized data set collected over time.

      But the differences are small. Even factoring in age, the ROC curves for iris recognition are still shockingly good. As a quick case study (not data), check out the story about tracking down the Afghan girl 25 years later at the bottom of John Daugman's homepage:

      http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~jgd1000/

    18. Re:Really? by EvilBudMan · · Score: 1

      Maybe so, but I can't read minds unfortunately.

  4. 12 billion finger prints? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    12 Billion finger prints? That would make sense that the lean efficient government of India decides that a single finger print, or even five fingers are not enough to identify you, but instead all 10 fingers must be identified and stored. That way they can be 10 times sure that your finger print belongs to you. Same with the iris scans, lets scan two eyes across 1.2 billion people instead of just one.

    With the decreasing hard drive prices, I'm truly surprised I didn't see 12 billion toe prints!

    1. Re:12 billion finger prints? by realilskater · · Score: 1

      Surely having a record of all digits and eyes ensures that a person can be identified even if they lose a finger or an eye.

    2. Re:12 billion finger prints? by 0123456 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Plus when they start finding duplicate fingerprints, they're going to need to check more than one finger.

      This is a good idea in a way because it should resolve the question of how common fingerprint matches really are.

    3. Re:12 billion finger prints? by elsurexiste · · Score: 3, Informative

      This is a good idea in a way because it should resolve the question of how common fingerprint matches really are.

      This is the best piece of text Slashdot had to offer in quite a while. High five, insightful internet person!

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    4. Re:12 billion finger prints? by EvilBudMan · · Score: 1

      Usually it's all 10 fingers and palms too so 12 x 1 billion people = 12 billion prints. Easy.

    5. Re:12 billion finger prints? by Nadaka · · Score: 1

      Indeed, fingerprints are not unique.

    6. Re:12 billion finger prints? by GigG · · Score: 1

      Last two times I've been fingerprinted for CCW & work reasons it has been each finger, all 10 fingers (minus thumbs) together and palm of both hands.

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    7. Re:12 billion finger prints? by EvilBudMan · · Score: 1

      Exactly, but some organizations also use everything including DNA. I'm guessing India is using all 10 digits and both palms to come up with that number. Thumbs are good to have as many prints will be those.

    8. Re:12 billion finger prints? by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      Thumbs are good to have as many prints will be those.

      Thumbs are good to have not just for identification but to allow us to tie our shoelaces more easily and handle knives and forks, etc. Also press the space bar on normal keyboards. Not just thumbs, but opposable thumbs.

    9. Re:12 billion finger prints? by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      We believe fapping isn't in your top 3. Sure we do.

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    10. Re:12 billion finger prints? by EvilBudMan · · Score: 1

      More thumb prints seem to be around crime scenes maybe?

    11. Re:12 billion finger prints? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Most searching is done with 4 or 6 fingerprints. Index fingers plus thumbs for the 4 print systems add in middle fingers for the 6 print systems. Those fingers tend to have the most minutiae points. When they records are captured you know where the finger positions are so you only search those finger positions. Iris searching is way way faster then fingerprints, so you search all of the records with iris then take the top 10% or so and search those fingerprints. That way you will not have to spend so much time searching fingerprints.

    12. Re:12 billion finger prints? by tzot · · Score: 1

      > I'm guessing India is using all 10 digits and both palms to come up with that number.

      Which number they came up with? The 12 billion fingerprints? That is, the (1.2 billion Indians) x (10 fingerprints per person)? That number?

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    13. Re:12 billion finger prints? by Kanasta · · Score: 1

      This was covered before. IIRC every 6000 or so prints you'd get one match. Or some really low number.

    14. Re:12 billion finger prints? by Matheus · · Score: 1

      Actually Fingerprint is only a secondary search in India. Iris is the primary form of identification. They actually do face as well although it's not really used.

      Indian's have a big problem with missing fingerprints (lots of manual labor leads to worn off prints) so in their case very much yes Fingerprint is not a good identifier.

    15. Re:12 billion finger prints? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes...however, there is no incentive to discuss the idea that fingerprints may not be all that unique. The company that makes biometric equipment certainly won't announce it, as that would affect their business model. The database owner (the government) has no incentive because it would erode the benefits of the system/make them look stupid.

      Likewise, the FBI has a massive fingerprint database but they can't say anything about identical matches because it would erode the value of the database where it it is most useful--in courts of law.

    16. Re:12 billion finger prints? by lordbyron · · Score: 1

      It is actually important to capture all the fingerprints because you do not know which finger will be the best over a period of time. Often the best finger for transactions ends up being the little finger since it is the least likely to have damage or get worn off over time.

    17. Re:12 billion finger prints? by lordbyron · · Score: 1

      Plus the real cost of the system is having to capture all the data in the field. The incremental cost is minimal to capture 1 vs 10 and the improved de-duplication and long term viability of the system is improved by capture all.

    18. Re:12 billion finger prints? by lordbyron · · Score: 1

      We are just using all 10 fingers... 4-4-2 slap scanners... we authenticate via a single finger

    19. Re:12 billion finger prints? by EvilBudMan · · Score: 1

      I'm assuming that maybe there are that many babies that slip through the cracks. I dunno what age they fingerprint at but I bet they get a palm printd too.

    20. Re:12 billion finger prints? by EvilBudMan · · Score: 1

      Maybe so, security around here gets the palms too.

  5. This is hardly news by golden+age+villain · · Score: 2

    Wired had an article running about it already last year http://www.wired.com/magazine/2011/08/ff_indiaid/all/1.

    1. Re:This is hardly news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, but "Olds for Nerds, Stuff that Matters" doesn't have the same ring to it.

    2. Re:This is hardly news by EvilBudMan · · Score: 1

      Just stay on topic for once.

    3. Re:This is hardly news by lordbyron · · Score: 1

      What is news is that we have crossed the 200 million number and should by the end of next year cross the 600 million unique person enrolled. It has been a fun project to be a part of...

  6. "...connected to the Internet..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That can only go wrong.

  7. On the plus side... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

    When the system breaks, at least getting connected to tech support in India won't seem like such a bad thing...

    1. Re:On the plus side... by kelemvor4 · · Score: 1

      When the system breaks, at least getting connected to tech support in India won't seem like such a bad thing...

      They will probably outsource tech support to Liberia or Sierra Leone.

    2. Re:On the plus side... by Nadaka · · Score: 1, Funny

      Or worse, Kentucky.

      Imagine how frustrating it will be for those indians as they listen to barely literate hillfolk stutter out stilted strongly accented hindi read from cue cards.

    3. Re:On the plus side... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least we Kentucky folk know how to use capital letters.

    4. Re:On the plus side... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Being an Indian, i can guarantee that this system will be broken in near future, if it is not already broken.
      But I've got my biometric card created and the system will work based on the photo and/or my signature on that card. The rest of the biometric scans are just to make the project costings large enough for the outsourcing companies to siphon off the funds. They were the ones who proposed this system at the first place.

  8. I hope they have to call customer support by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can only hope that they have to call a customer support number, be given a case ID number on a crap VOIP connection by someone that doesn't speak their language natively well enough to communicate.

  9. Iris scans change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    http://www.theverge.com/2012/5/28/3046726/iris-patterns-change-over-time-research

    "The biometric iris recognition scans used at many security checkpoints may be less reliable than previously believed, researchers at the University of Notre Dame have found. "

    1. Re:Iris scans change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was about to point that out. Also note that hundreds of millions of the poorest lead outdoorsy toil-in-the-field type lives. That easily means damaged fingerprints... if the fingers, hands, arms are still there, that is. And photographs? They likely won't age well, so expect lots of false positives and false negatives in detection there also.

      A common problem there, too, are shenanigans like, oh, relatives lusting for your land might have you declared dead even if you're not already. Biometrics is supposed to help with that, but as so often with simple application of high-tech on some people problem (lots of corruption as everyone there is dirt poor) this might easily make it worse. Hey, maybe the machine won't recognise you. And because it's deemed to be fool proof, hah, you really don't exist any longer. You have even less ways to get it fixed than you had before, and that was living hell already.

      So I say: Biometrics? Let The Fun Begin.

  10. 99.5% Accuracy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That half a percentage point still gives 6 million possibles I would expect to see a few more 9's tacked on after the decimal point to make it usably accurate.

  11. UIDAI Website by romit_icarus · · Score: 4, Informative

    For those who are interested to know more, here is their quite detailed website http://uidai.gov.in/ More than anything else, it conveys the logistical and bureaucratical complexity of executing a project of this dimension across a country like India.

  12. Twelve digits, eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They'll run out in a few centuries, and then what?

    Next time, go hexadecimal from the start.

    1. Re:Twelve digits, eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because the systems we put in place in 1700 are still around and going obsolete on us? This system is unlikely to be relevant at all in 300 years.

    2. Re:Twelve digits, eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, in some cases, yes.

      See national boundaries, the US Constitution, various legal codes and more.

      I wouldn't be surprised if we're stuck with postal codes too.

  13. I work on it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I work for one of the venders that does the back end searching of the biometrics. It is a very complex project thats for sure.

    1. Re:I work on it by mhajicek · · Score: 1

      So when the data gets out could it be used to make fake fingerprints and irises?

    2. Re:I work on it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. All the images get converted to a algorithm. Its a one way conversion, you can not generate a image based off of it.

    3. Re:I work on it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Converted to an algorithm"? Or more like, oh, run through an algorithm and turned into a hash? Hopefully a collision-resistant one. But have you tried? Your employer? Anyone? Can you tell us just how hard it is to collide fingerprints "converted to an algorithm" like that?

      If not, well....

  14. Outsourcing by onyxruby · · Score: 1

    Where does India outsource /their/ IT jobs for managing things like this database?

    1. Re:Outsourcing by girlintraining · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Where does India outsource /their/ IT jobs for managing things like this database?

      Erm, the United States. We're the world leaders in the manufacture of sophisticated mass-surveillance and tracking technology. It's our other major export besides financial know-how, bombs, and working-class misery. The NSA is building a data center right now to track every packet of data sent within the borders of this country. And we don't just store biometric hashes -- W're taking complete, high-resolution imagery of our citizens bodies and keeping them on file. The kind of surveillance and tracking we do on our own citizens make this look like a high school science project.

      There's no reason to think we wouldn't happily help the corporation of India... er, I mean, the country of India (sorry, I'm American.. it's hard to keep corporations and governments separate).

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    2. Re:Outsourcing by mehrotra.akash · · Score: 1

      Typically to the same Indian companies the other companies outsource to

    3. Re:Outsourcing by Matheus · · Score: 1

      To be very specific: The 3 consortiums involved are US, US, FR as far as the tech goes. Each consortium includes a few different companies all of which, I believe, include some local talent for support / logistics and some code.

  15. Messed up 3rd world country - needs this! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    India is a messed up 3rd world country with too much corruption and too much of losses to the middlemen. For example, discounted food supplies sent to the poorer sections of the society are misappropriated by the distribution stores. Very small percentage of the poorer population has bank accounts or even an identity card of any sort, or often times even a birth certificate. ( so think of trying to do something in the US without a state id.. or ssn!)

    Yes there is a chance that this will get hacked - but this has to be weighed against the good that this will do. The govt plans to create bank accounts directly from these user-ids and directly wire them money, or use it to give out benefits etc. A huge huge deal for a large country with no real social network in place!

  16. No Electrophoreses? by i+kan+reed · · Score: 2

    What if you get severely burned and then have no irises, fingerprints, and your face looks different? They should be incorporating DNA too.

    1. Re:No Electrophoreses? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What if your dna changes? Use brainwave patterns instead!

    2. Re:No Electrophoreses? by gman003 · · Score: 3, Funny

      But what if you change your mind?

    3. Re:No Electrophoreses? by Trapick · · Score: 1

      That happens to few enough people that it's not worth the hundreds of billions of dollars extra to include DNA.

    4. Re:No Electrophoreses? by Kjella · · Score: 1

      You can bet that is coming once DNA sequencing gets cheap enough. The excuse will no doubt be crime fighting, as the police sometimes have DNA but no match.

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    5. Re:No Electrophoreses? by tzot · · Score: 1

      > But what if you change your mind?

      Thank $deity I wasn't drinking anything at the time I read your answer.

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  17. It's a good thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is no such thing as corruption in India. So I am sure the system is completely secure.

  18. What? You didn't know??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Microsoft Access '98 -- BOOM, problem solved

  19. Re:You in5ensitive clod! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The original goatse was a lot more fun.

  20. Mass tracking tech leader since 1939! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Erm, the United States. We're the world leaders in the manufacture of sophisticated mass-surveillance and tracking technology.

    And have been since 1939! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_during_World_War_II#Germany

  21. Redmond steps in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    MS Access?

  22. illiteracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    India has a very high illiteracy rate. Maybe they should tattoo each individual's number on their body, to ensure that it's easy to recall...

  23. No Electrophoreses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well you are in India mind you - not USA where everyone's waiting with bated breath to help you live as a vegetable or in the ICU.

    If you are in a blame bad enough to take off your irises and fingerprints, in India, you would be dead, and then cremated or buried. As long as no one else can duplicate your iris and come to the office, we wont be sending you the monthly $30 check.

  24. Actually, Apple and Google must be closely behind by cheros · · Score: 1, Troll

    Biometrics are not just fingerprints: Apple's Siri and whatever imitation was made available for Android do one thing very well: they export a pristine, digital quality voiceprint with owner details to the US every time they are used.

    It's the second largest successful intelligence intercept ever - the first one being WhatsApp and iMessage tapping what was formerly harder-to-get SMS traffic..

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  25. Is the number tattooed on their arm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seems to be the way things are going - Total Global Fascism

  26. Wondering about how it will be done... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1200 million encrypted dbase files on a p2p network?

  27. Interesting 10:1:2 ratio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Taken from the "12 billion fingerprints, 1.2 billion photographs, and 2.4 billion iris scans" quote. I wonder how they came-up with that ratio, and how many months the government committee spent discussing it.

  28. Only 200 Million... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because why bother with the lower castes

  29. Andromeda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, Andromeda.. This biometric Db will really come in handy when we get slammed with that galaxy.

  30. Better be dynamic for fingerprints! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    India has one of the largest populaces for extra fingers and toes. I vote that they make it a dynamic database, with L1-M and R1-N for the designators. Also, with the number of Indians that are barefoot 24/7, they might as well also do foot prints.

  31. kinda creepy... by mn!ac · · Score: 2

    I am from India and had my scanning done a week back. The software seemed to be a qt hackjob loaded on multiple ubuntu laptops. The photo came out funny but the 10 finger and iris scans were detailed enough to make me feel uneasy. Not to mention the fact that every piece of identification from graduation certificates to driving licenses to bank account numbers are linked to this single database. Bah.. Its India.. who cares for data privacy here...

  32. Irises Change Over Time by mcnazar · · Score: 1

    It was recently reported that Irises actually change over time. This begs the question of how accurate this data will be in 5 years? 10 years?

  33. Error rates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, but all these technologies have error rates that increase over time as your body changes. Even a small 0.3% x 10^9 is a lot of errors to deal with and correct. In the mean time, the citizen will be stuck because the computer will be seen as infallible.