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Cognitive Software Identifies America's Brainiest Cities

Hugh Pickens writes "We are often told that the smartest cities and nations do the best and economists typically measure smart cities by education level, calculating the cities or metros with the largest percentage of college grads or the largest shares of adults with advanced degrees. Now Richard Florida writes that a new metric developed by Lumos Labs based on their cognitive training and tracking software Lumosity seeks to track "brain performance" or cognitive capacity of cities in a more direct way by measuring the cognitive performance of more than one million users in the United States who use their games against their location using IP geolocation software. Lumosity's website offers forty games designed to sharpen a wide range of cognitive skills. Individual scores were recorded in five key cognitive areas: memory, processing speed, flexibility, attention, and problem solving.The data was normalized into a basic brain performance index controlling for age and gender. The results are shown on a map from Zara Matheson of the Martin Prosperity Institute that shows the brainy metro index across US metro areas with the top five brainy clusters in Charlottesville Virginia, Lafayette Indiana, Anchorage Alaska, Madison Wisconsin, and the San Francisco-Oakland-San Jose area. The result is not driven principally by college students, according to Daniel Sternberg, the Lumosity data scientist who developed the metro brain performance measure. 'Since our analysis controlled for age, the reason they score well is not simply that they have a lot of young people,' says Sternberg. 'Instead, our analysis seems to show that users living in university communities tend to perform better than users of the same age in other locations.'"

143 comments

  1. Self Selected groups by frnic · · Score: 4, Insightful

    'Since our analysis controlled for age, the reason they score well is not simply that they have a lot of young people,' says Sternberg. 'Instead, our analysis seems to show that users living in university communities tend to perform better than users of the same age in other locations.'"

    Since the groups were self selected, ie. they decided to participate, maybe people living in college towns have more time or are more interested in playing.

    1. Re:Self Selected groups by michaelmalak · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Not just self-selected, but those who have time to play videogames (and maybe have lots of prior experience playing videogames -- like maybe because there is no sunlight in Anchorage during the winter?)

    2. Re:Self Selected groups by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      Yeah! That "International Studies" graduate at Starbucks is brilliant! (And he makes a mean Latte!)

      Education does not mean intelligence, and intelligence does not mean useful. Often they do go together, but often they do not...

    3. Re:Self Selected groups by jhoegl · · Score: 1

      TLDR ver of above poster: Sometimes you do... sometimes you dont...

    4. Re:Self Selected groups by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 1

      While there are some interesting locations--like Anchorage--the results appear to track reasonably well with the old standby metrics that tend to make urban California and the south look bad, education, money and obesity.

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    5. Re:Self Selected groups by HexaByte · · Score: 1

      This is the group of "smart" people with too much time on their hands.

      The smart, employed, people are too busy with their lives to play on-line games.

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    6. Re:Self Selected groups by LifesABeach · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It kind of sounded like the author of this study dranks the same Kool-aid that Face Book Share Holders drink.

    7. Re:Self Selected groups by TheLink · · Score: 4, Informative

      And those who bother to sign up. You don't have to sign up for some games but in my short time there I got a fair number of "sign up" prompts.

      Whereas this site doesn't require you to sign up: http://cognitivefun.net/

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    8. Re:Self Selected groups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      bollocks, I don't think it's very smart to never have any down time.

    9. Re:Self Selected groups by arth1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is the group of "smart" people with too much time on their hands.

      The smart, employed, people are too busy with their lives to play on-line games.

      I'd think that one marker for being smart would be having spare time.

    10. Re:Self Selected groups by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      To regionalize intelligence? I've been told constipation can be painful.

      Maybe the author of the study could test its theroy? Maybe the author could transplant itself to some populated region of the planet like maybe Prairie Chapel Ranch? Afterwards, maybe a report presented on Fox News?

    11. Re:Self Selected groups by bored_engineer · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      I'm not much interested in video games, but there's definite truth in what you say. Adoption of internet services was very high here, after Mr. Gore invented it.

      There's a strong shift in activities between winter and summer, though some of us still insist on getting outdoors even when the weather turns cold. (I'm fortunate, in that I live 1/2 mile from a cross-country ski area.)

    12. Re:Self Selected groups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yeah! That "International Studies" graduate at Starbucks is brilliant! (And he makes a mean Latte!)

      He knows enough to realize that prompt, accurate, and courteous service retains customers. He has enough interest and capability to learn and understand basic brewing science. He knows enough to realize that in when he's having a shitty day, it's his job to hide that and put on a fake smile for the customer. Also, chances are good that he can take orders in a different language.

      Did he need a 4 year degree for that? Probably not. Is there a difference between your "International Studies" grad slinging coffee and a high-school dropout slinging coffee? Yes. I get better service from the college grad, and the difference is enough to affect where I buy coffee.

    13. Re:Self Selected groups by nine-times · · Score: 1

      Since the groups were self selected, ie. they decided to participate, maybe people living in college towns have more time or are more interested in playing.

      I'm assuming they took averages, so that explanation doesn't work. You'd have to explain why the sample of "people who had spare time to play" skewed smart.

      If that's not clear enough, an average shouldn't be thrown off by the number of people playing, assuming that the sample size is large enough to begin with. If I have 1,000 people scoring an average score of 50 or 1,000,000 people scoring an average score of 50, the average score is the same. So if you wanted to draw out the fact that it was self-selecting, you'd have to say something more like, "The smart people in college towns have more free time than elsewhere. In other places, smart people work longer hours and wouldn't take the time to play the game."

    14. Re:Self Selected groups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would be interesting to correlate the greens and blues of this map to the red and blue voting patterns of the country.

    15. Re:Self Selected groups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too lazy to RTFA or TFS, who won?

      Toronto?

    16. Re:Self Selected groups by avandesande · · Score: 2

      Not sure if you are being sarcastic- being busy might mean practicing piano or planting a garden. The kind of self selection mentioned here sounds something like Mensa stroking....

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    17. Re:Self Selected groups by Ryanrule · · Score: 1

      Bah, when I can do in an hour when takes a normal person 8, and bill 4, its gravy.

    18. Re:Self Selected groups by steelfood · · Score: 1

      Not having a job also is a marker for having a lot of spare time.

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    19. Re:Self Selected groups by DocJohn · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yes, that and the fact that the underlying research supporting this entire company is weak at best:

      http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2012/06/05/the-new-snake-oil-brain-training-brain-fitness/

    20. Re:Self Selected groups by SirGarlon · · Score: 1

      Measuring only the users who sought out games meant to improve cognitive functions is a massive selection bias.

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    21. Re:Self Selected groups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As I've recently learned, some smart people (my boss) choose not to have spare time, and can other smart people (me) who want spare time.

    22. Re:Self Selected groups by Tokolosh · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the greengrocer's apostrophe, cracker!

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    23. Re:Self Selected groups by thereitis · · Score: 2
      Even after signing up with Lumosity I got a lot of emails from them. "Hey, we noticed you haven't played today!" type of emails. :-/

      Anyway, I progressed my 'brain index' quite a bit in certain tasks, but other tasks I felt like I hit a wall and couldn't progress anymore. It wasn't clear to me what I could do to advance and I didn't want to keep paying 15 bucks a month to not progress.

      One task that I found easy was the "is this face the same as the last face you saw?" where I scored higher than say 75% of other players (based on reaction time and accuracy). But when the task advanced to "is this face the same as the one you saw _two_ people ago" I found it quite challenging for some reason. Probably explains why I'm not great at juggling intermediate math results in my head. Tips welcome. :)

    24. Re:Self Selected groups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It kind of sounded like the author of this study dranks the same Kool-aid that Face Book Share Holders drink.

      The kind that wears off quickly?

    25. Re:Self Selected groups by Comrade+Ogilvy · · Score: 1

      Mod parent up.

      The truly smart people marry raw brain power and personal passion together -- those people have more good ideas than can be pursued in a hundred lifetimes. They get better and better at everything by doing, not dicking around with "training" software.

    26. Re:Self Selected groups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      being busy might also mean posting on slashdot...

    27. Re:Self Selected groups by kyrio · · Score: 1

      Your post is full of shit. The college grad is going to hate his job and hate you even more because he's still working his garbage coffee shop job after adding tens of thousands in debt to his life. Who do you think is going to give you better service? The college grad who took a useless degree, didn't actually learn anything because he's very likely an addict and wasted his time smoking weed and getting drunk with his friends, and is still working there with all of that debt piling up, hating every minute of his life, or the high school dropout who is happy with his life and is working this coffee shop job part time until the construction season starts up again and he can get back to doing real work?

    28. Re:Self Selected groups by shiftless · · Score: 1

      He's a spic....you insensitive clod

    29. Re:Self Selected groups by arth1 · · Score: 1

      And working two minimum wage jobs to make ends meet means you don't have a lot of time - is that a sign of smarts?

      And being a workaholic who doesn't have time to enjoy life doesn't sound too smart either, no matter how much you make. Perhaps especially if you work more than you need to make more than you need. Even if you win the rat race, you're still a rat.

    30. Re:Self Selected groups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you were that smart, why wouldn't you spend your time playing fun, interesting and challenging games instead of playing games to feel better about yourself? Smart people understand their own value and aren't drawn by marketing guff to prove it.

    31. Re:Self Selected groups by Livius · · Score: 1

      The population of a college town is going to be skewed, perhaps significantly in small towns, by both the customers (students) and employees of the college. It's not an issue of age, it's an issue of a certain kind of population temporarily or permanently relocating to the community.

    32. Re:Self Selected groups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you! Luminosity sucks! I'm sick of these slashvertisements.

    33. Re:Self Selected groups by readin · · Score: 1

      We could correlate it with where most black Americans live. Or would that cause problems with your pre-conceived notions?

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    34. Re:Self Selected groups by arth1 · · Score: 1

      If you were that smart, why wouldn't you spend your time playing fun, interesting and challenging games instead of playing games to feel better about yourself?

      Learning value, perhaps?

      Smart people understand their own value and aren't drawn by marketing guff to prove it.

      Why do you try to ascribe people a motive?

    35. Re:Self Selected groups by TheLink · · Score: 1

      Same as before is easier since you just compare with the immediate memory - can use the "did stuff change" "circuits" in your brain.

      But when the task advanced to "is this face the same as the one you saw _two_ people ago" I found it quite challenging for some reason.

      That's a variation on the n-back test. And probably tougher since it involves faces (which are more complex) and assuming the number of different faces you might get is big. It's more to do with "working memory" than math.

      The cognitive.net site has some n-back tests too which you can try - some are simpler. It takes a while for your brain to rewire itself so it can remember "2 ago". Then you'll probably find that just because you can do "2 ago" at 100% doesn't mean you can do "3 items ago" easily. There seem to be some people who have managed to get up to 9!

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    36. Re:Self Selected groups by thereitis · · Score: 1
      Thanks for the reply. A web search for "between working memory" showed a lot of different studies relating working memory and parenting, fitness, etc.. I'll bet personality traits are in there somewhere, too. I'll have to try those n-back tests again and look into other activities that improve working memory. By the by, I've been doing a lot of reading on genetic algorithms lately so it's interesting to think about the impact that working memory could have on an animal.

      ps - I'm sure you mean cognitivefun.net - cognitive.net is just a parked domain.

  2. Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What does cognitive mean?

    1. Re:Huh? by houstonbofh · · Score: 5, Funny

      What does cognitive mean?

      Just think about it...

    2. Re:Huh? by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      Dawm! I just spit coffee all over my laptop! Now I've got more work to do!

      I wish I could mod you up.

  3. Uni students tend to stick around by sandytaru · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Even controlling for age, college towns and research institutions also have a lot of older, well-educated folks hanging around, living and working in the community. My husband finished his PhD at the local Research I, but liked the town so much he accepted a job at a smaller state university one town over so we could continue to live in our old college town. Big biotech companies are always around the big research institutes as well; they don't call it Research Triangle up in NC for nothing.

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    1. Re:Uni students tend to stick around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can not believe what the idiots who published the study said. They claimed that correcting for age ruled out an advantage college students might have!?!?!

      Most college students today are older people. There are many retired grand parents in my classes.

      I have concluded that the idiots who published these results should not be listened to.

    2. Re:Uni students tend to stick around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most college students today are NOT older people. BlissTree.com says that only "38% of all college students in the U.S. are over the age of 25, according to a recent U.S. Census Bureau report." That would make 62% under the age of 25.

  4. False Assumption by ibpooks · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And all of this based on the false assumption that Lumosity's pseudoscience click-on-the-shiny-colors games are any good at measuring "brain performance".

    1. Re:False Assumption by Dinghy · · Score: 2

      It's also based on the assumption that people who install and run these apps is a representitive distribution of the population. Cue debate on intelligence of people who let apps have full network communication permissions.

    2. Re:False Assumption by dubbayu_d_40 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Like crossword puzzles? What do you base your comment on?

      Personally, I find their map correlates well with low effort thinkers: http://www.freakonomics.com/2012/04/09/the-thinking-liberal/

    3. Re:False Assumption by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 0

      Come from one of those locations that didn't do so well I take it?

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    4. Re:False Assumption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You got that backward. It's very difficult to make a mental test that doesn't measure IQ to some degree, short of marking the wrong answer as the correct one or something like that. Then you'd still be measuring it, just in reverse. If something is actually intended to be tracking mental performance, you can be sure it has a pretty high IQ loading even if you had asked a random group of 10 year olds to design it. So you see, Luminosity would in fact need to hire someone with a good knowledge of what they were doing in order to design a test that did NOT measure brain performance.

  5. The best and the brightest by kryliss · · Score: 2

    I love the fact that there is just one yellow area on the whole map. Care to guess where it's at?

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    1. Re:The best and the brightest by cpu6502 · · Score: 1

      Southwest, rural Georgia.

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    2. Re:The best and the brightest by magarity · · Score: 1

      Hard to tell without even state border outlines. I'm not too bad at estimating from memory but what's with the bits down in the south east? Is that Mexico City or, like some maps of the USA, Hawaii or Alaska is munged into that map space??

    3. Re:The best and the brightest by tverbeek · · Score: 1

      Um.... you might want to adjust the brightness/contrast of your display.

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    4. Re:The best and the brightest by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      The author of this study is not to concerned about what to do before emptying bladder?

  6. Your actually killing bugs with spaceships. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now I have to check lumosity for a space based RTS!

  7. The results disprove the study by cpu6502 · · Score: 1, Troll

    "Charlottesville VA, Lafayette IN, Anchorage AK, Madison WI, and the San Francisco-Oakland-San Jose"??? Yes maybe SF/Oakland but not Charlottesville which is redneck territory. Or Anchorage.

    The place with the highest concentration of iPhones and iPads is located between Baltimore and D.C. That's where I would expect to find the most intelligent people. Also Silicon Valley CA and Seattle WA.

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    1. Re:The results disprove the study by Stele · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The place with the highest concentration of iPhones and iPads is located between Baltimore and D.C. That's where I would expect to find the most intelligent people.

      You mean douchiest right?

    2. Re:The results disprove the study by boristdog · · Score: 1

      The place with the highest concentration of iPhones and iPads is located between Baltimore and D.C. That's where I would expect to find the most intelligent people.

      Wow. Just wow. The leap it took to correlate Apple product ownership with intelligence was amazing. I congratulate you, that was awesome.

    3. Re:The results disprove the study by Sulphur · · Score: 5, Funny

      The place with the highest concentration of iPhones and iPads is located between Baltimore and D.C. That's where I would expect to find the most intelligent people.

      You mean douchiest right?

      Douche'

    4. Re:The results disprove the study by bored_engineer · · Score: 1

      huh. Do location and lifestyle define intelligence? These factors may influence, but they are not deciding factors.

      . . .And being a software or silicon center doesn't necessarily constitute a collection of brainpower. Madison, for example, is a major biotech center. . . .and your notion of "rednecks" being intellectually inferior surprises me, too. I probably, by your definition, qualify as a redneck: I drive a pickup, own several guns, live well out of town, collect firewood to heat my home during the winter, bla, bla, bla.

      I lived in Beverly Hills for a (very long) decade, and the apparently institutional disdain that exists on the west side of Los Angeles for dwellers of less urban locales shocked me when I first moved there. Then I visited a few other places and found that several cities have the same disdain for those with a more rural lifestyle. These cities that you so casually dismiss aren't that different from wherever you live. There's a similar variety of losers, idiots, geniuses and winners.

      Anchorage, by the way, has an unusual concentration of engineers, as well as a sizable university. There are also a hell of a lot of people there who stay indoors during the winter.

    5. Re:The results disprove the study by briniel · · Score: 1

      The place with the highest concentration of iPhones and iPads is located between Baltimore and D.C. That's where I would expect to find the most intelligent people.

      Wow. Just wow. The leap it took to correlate Apple product ownership with intelligence was amazing. I congratulate you, that was awesome.

      Awesomely correct, here's proof.

    6. Re:The results disprove the study by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      The results disprove the study ... not Charlottesville which is redneck territory. Or Anchorage.

      No, the results disprove your stereotyped preconceptions of what people are like.

    7. Re:The results disprove the study by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You sound like someone who doesn't wear glasses.

    8. Re:The results disprove the study by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He means faggotiest.

    9. Re:The results disprove the study by shiftless · · Score: 1

      And he would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you and your two cents.

    10. Re:The results disprove the study by shiftless · · Score: 1

      Anchorage, by the way, has an unusual concentration of engineers, as well as a sizable university.

      Huntsville, AL has the highest PhD's per capita in the United States. Couldn't tell that by looking at this simplistic map of course, which serves no other purpose than to glorify the egos of Yankees who already know they're superior to us common salt of the earth country folk.

  8. smartest people live in the north by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    just like in europe. why do smart people always decide to live in the cold north?

    1. Re:smartest people live in the north by skids · · Score: 1

      Because the bugs all die once a year instead of growing to the size of avacados.

    2. Re:smartest people live in the north by Control-Z · · Score: 1

      Charlottesville isn't North unless you're from Florida. It's firmly in the South. It is sometimes called the Mid-Atlantic region, but it's not North.

    3. Re:smartest people live in the north by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Cause the stupid people die more often in cold weather.

    4. Re:smartest people live in the north by Bengie · · Score: 1

      Warmer climates seem to have more lazy people. If it gets cold and you don't have a home, you're not going to hand around. /s

    5. Re:smartest people live in the north by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      just like in europe. why do smart people always decide to live in the cold north?

      A powerful CPU requires good cooling, duh.

    6. Re:smartest people live in the north by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure you will. Michigan (the state I currently live in) is the biggest welfare state in the Union. Alabama (the state where I'm from) doesn't have anywhere near the level of public assistance.

  9. How to Lie with Maps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    One of my favorite books and highly recommended:

    How to Lie with Maps
    http://www.amazon.com/How-Lie-Maps-2nd-Edition/dp/0226534219

  10. Error in title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    I found an error in the title, it should be

    Cognitive Software Identifies America's Most Communist Cities

    -- American Christians of Patriotism Association

  11. Well duh, it's college. by HeckRuler · · Score: 2, Insightful

    users living in university communities tend to perform better than users of the same age in other locations.

    Ok, that makes sense. You know, COLLEGE.

    The result is not driven principally by college students,

    Uh...... wut?

    'Since our analysis controlled for age, the reason they score well is not simply that they have a lot of young people,'

    uh huh. So they discovered that smart people go to college?

    I'm sorry, could someone explain to me how they come to the conclusion that their results aren't driven by college students?
    "Controlled for age" doesn't mean much to me, but sure, ok, it takes into account the age discrepancy. But... you know, it doesn't take into account that THEY'RE GOING INTO HIGHER EDUCATION. I really don't see how this isn't driven by college students.

    1. Re:Well duh, it's college. by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 1

      If they are controlling for age and colleges are principally made up of students, and those students aren't senior citizens then it isn't a reach to conclude that the universities are providing an indirect influence that raises the bar. Maybe some students are sticking around, maybe the university is pulling in "intelligence required" companies to the area, maybe college students are engaging non-students in the coffee houses, etc..

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    2. Re:Well duh, it's college. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or perhaps the college professors are pulling up the curve?

  12. Stop the presses! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Wait, you're telling me that a study designed to measure "braininess" using Internet games shows that affluent areas with readily available broadband fare better than those that don't? What a brilliant insight!

    Seriously though, researchers (of all types) need to revisit entry level statistics where "sample bias" and related basic concepts are introduced. Show me a study like this that overlays availability of Internet services, population density, and median salary, instead of one that only compensates for gender and age. Then we can all be impressed by the cognitive abilities of the researchers.

    1. Re:Stop the presses! by shiftless · · Score: 1

      And what makes you ASSume that the "areas in question" don't have Internet coverage? Some of the highest broadband speeds around are to be found in the South. Always has been that way. Before that I had a 56k dialup connection that was rock solid with low BER, way out in the sticks in Alabama, 20 miles out of town in God's country. Please stop ASSuming.

  13. Re:Holy crap look at the Southeast by boristdog · · Score: 1

    the Southern US has been a political and intellectual dead weight drag on this country since its founding

    When was the Southern US "founded" anyway? Seems like many of those states were in the original 13.

  14. IP Geolocation is horribly wrong at times by locketine · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If people are playing these games at work then the geolocation might be where the company's datacenter is, not where the people are.

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    1. Re:IP Geolocation is horribly wrong at times by Beorytis · · Score: 1

      Yes, that. I constantly get web advertising targeted to my employer's corporate HQ, not my office location. Did the study use anything better?

    2. Re:IP Geolocation is horribly wrong at times by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My geolocation info shows me in Anchorage. I live 400 miles away.

    3. Re:IP Geolocation is horribly wrong at times by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Not to mention that if these were smartphone geolocations, unless they were directly querying the phone and not relying on their ip-geolocation, the results were further skewed as a phones ip address is a horrible representation of their actual location. Disregarding the fact that a phone can expose a different IP address to the server within a few minutes, phones suffer from the same problems you described, where their true location is obscured because of how they are assigned their ip addresses.

  15. I Think This Study Lacked Just One Thing by LifesABeach · · Score: 2

    Reality. Any time a person combines three separate communities together has no idea of the reality they are describing.

    1. Re:I Think This Study Lacked Just One Thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is something telling in the scores in general. There is a clear North/South divide that may be a remnant of the Civil War.

  16. Re:Holy crap look at the Southeast by sandytaru · · Score: 2

    The sentence implies that the South has been a drag on the US since the US was founded, not since the "South" was founded. Aside from a few isolated bright spots in history, this is pretty much true.

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  17. Re:Holy crap look at the Southeast by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 1

    I think the bigots already are down there. They just got confused on which direction was north.

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  18. "The womb" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have always been partial to Madison, and one of the nick-names that I heard while living there could explain its presence on the list (assuming that the measurements are valid): it is sometimes called "the womb". The idea is that students, especially grad students, at the University of Wisconsin (Madison) get so used to the environement around the university there (it is a really nice place to live if you are not in the nightlife crowd) that they just hang around after graduation, even working at jobs that you would not think a grad student normally would do. I swear that half of the taxi drivers in Madison seem to have taken the "African Storytelling"[1] grad course at the UW.

    Now living in silicon valley I can tell you it is not the same thing that keeps people in this side of that metro area, but that could apply to the San Francisco side. Maybe even the northern side of silicon valey (near Stanford).

    [1] I am actually serious about that course, it is really highly rated and not because it is easy but because the prfessor who teaches it is amazing (I have heard).

    1. Re:"The womb" by Ryanrule · · Score: 1

      Madison wanted to put in a streetcar. I imagine walker shit all over that though. That city must be brutally hostile to him.

      I wouldnt be surprised if he thought about moving the capital or something.

  19. Re:Smarter - less conservative and religious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Too lazy to create a troll account?

  20. Re:Holy crap look at the Southeast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "since its founding" = "since the US's founding". He's saying the South has been a drag on the whole since then. Not that difficult to parse, dude.

  21. Where? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There seems to be a larger concentration around Cedar Rapids IA, than the concentration in Indiana. How is that explained, or is it?

    By-the-by, Cedar Rapids is the home of the University of Iowa, which sort of falls into a lot of the other comments posted so far.

    1. Re:Where? by CompMD · · Score: 1

      Iowa City is home to the University of Iowa, not Cedar Rapids. Rockwell Collins is located in Cedar Rapids, which probably explains the concentration of smart people.

  22. That's silly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So you're... tracking physical location by IP address on a network with so many dynamically allocated IPs, that may wildly vary in how large an area they represent (like this one is anywhere in the neighborhood, this one is anywhere in the city, this one is anywhere in the state, etc), or even if they represent individual users, households, businesses, campuses, agencies, or companies (which may actually be scattered across the entire nation in reality, but all show the same public IP address). And using all that to try to figure out where the smart people are?

    How is that accurate at all?

  23. Don't get excited by Bob-taro · · Score: 1

    Before anyone gets to too proud or offended, notice that the whole scale only ranges from 98 to 102. That's not much of a difference, is it? Even if we ignore all the problems with method, the results point to a surprising degree of uniformity, don't they?

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    1. Re:Don't get excited by holmstar · · Score: 1

      Actually, it appears to be 94 to 104 though the top and bottom values are not labeled.

    2. Re:Don't get excited by Talennor · · Score: 1

      Or it shows that their self selected dataset is relatively uniform. SAT scores by state, for example, have a lot more variance.

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  24. Re:Smarter - less conservative and religious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Conceit is the demise of self-ascribed "progressives"

  25. Re:Holy crap look at the Southeast by internerdj · · Score: 1

    I'm looking at a map missing blobs for places I know to contain concentrations of highly educated populations in the south. I'm also looking at some blobs that, given local information you would expect to break the curve on the low end, doing relatively well. I'd be interested to know how the blobs were chosen, what the empty spots mean, and a filled map.

  26. geolocation...really? by proslack · · Score: 1

    The mere fact that these lab rats are allowing themselves to be continuously geolocated doesn't say much about their brains. I suspect the smarter people are busy working in the lab and don't need games to improve their "brain performance."

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  27. Hey, I've see this map before! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The colors are different but it looks just like the red/blue political maps they show during elections

  28. Really?!?! by shoehornjob · · Score: 1

    Slashvertisement!

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  29. Is Richard Florida related to Robert California? by AugstWest · · Score: 1

    I call shenanigans.

  30. Re:Holy crap look at the Southeast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If the Southern US is such a deadweight why are/have so many technology-based companies moving their IT operations out of northeastern cities like Boston to Southern cities like Raleigh, Atlanta and others. There are plenty of idiots (like you) living in both the North and the South -- many insecure Northerners just happen to pull the Deliverance card and say it represents the entire South whenever they feel a need to make themselves feel superior. Hope your rant made you feel better about yourself even though it exposes your narrow-mindedness and lack of exposure to the world outside of the tiny head you live in.

  31. Re:And the dumbest by internerdj · · Score: 1

    FYI, the Birmingham blob contains quite a lot of rural area. The Opelika/Auburn, Tuscaloosa, and Huntsville areas are entirely unrepresented. In the 2000 census, Opelika ranked #32 in the country for percentage of local population with graduate degrees, Huntsville ranked #66, Tuscaloosa #79. It also appears as if the Mobile area is only partially represented. If you cut out those areas, then Alabama does indeed look incredibly dumb.

  32. Not my definition of smart, but whatever! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whether certain activities are smart or dumb is a cultural and personal matter. Plus the self-selecting nature of the survey is likely very biased.
    In my mind, playing video or on-line games is not smart--not a wise use of one's time. But cultural differences will probably attract more-capable minds in some geographic areas. That doesn't mean the population on the whole for these areas is more intelligent. It might simply mean the culture for these areas is one of waste and sloth, with more intelligent individuals "buying into" the regressive ideas.
    That's my opinion.

  33. Political map by mikeg22 · · Score: 1

    Looks like a map of red/blue states. Just sayin'.

    1. Re:Political map by shiftless · · Score: 1

      Just saying what? That you're an idiot who still believes in the Republican/Democrat false dichotomy?

  34. Off the charts! by tippe · · Score: 1

    My area is completely white. That means I'm off the chart, right guys? Guys?

    I guess the next thing to figure out is which way off the chart I am...

  35. Raleigh-Durham-RTP bitches by gelfling · · Score: 1

    We be smarterest!

  36. Re:Holy crap look at the Southeast by PPH · · Score: 1

    Can we build a wall?

    Yes. But we're going to have to hire Mexicans to do it.

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  37. What is Smart? by sycodon · · Score: 1

    If not for all the "dumb" people, most of the "smart" people would be standing in their own shit because they couldn't fix the plumbing and would be scratching for nuts and berries in the fields because they have no clue how to raise and harvest crops or raise and slaughter livestock, let alone hunt for food. They'd be walking because they have no ability to work on their vehicles, or run a refinery, or operate a drilling rig. And even if they did, they probably can't weld for shit...all jobs that are done by people that most here on Slashdot would not consider to be "smart".

    So the next time you think to yourself how smart you are, consider all the essentials of civilization that rely on the "dumb" people to make happen and what situation you would be in if not for them.

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    1. Re:What is Smart? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you confuse "smart" with "unwilling to do manual labor for shit wages". I personally know a few rather smart people who have gardens / "hobby farms" they can feed themselves, their families, and depending on how good of a year they're having, their neighbors also. Many of them also hunt, and fish. One even grows his own tobacco because he got tired of paying for his vice. I also know several smart people who build and work on cars or motorcycles as their hobby; some of whom used their smarts to learn to weld so they wouldn't have to rely on others. There's plenty of extremely smart people who would rather fix their own plumbing so they know it's done the right way, to code, and not just whatever shortcut the plumber decided to use to get things done faster.

      On the other hand, some of the smartest people I know don't have "white collar" jobs, or steady jobs at all. They've decided to pursue their version of happiness, doing whatever sparks their interest for a while until they move on to the next thing, but only doing as much work as they need to to make ends meet.

      Get out of the city, away from the coasts, and you'll find plenty of very smart people doing exactly the things you describe as being "dumb" people's works.

  38. Certainly not here. by kurt555gs · · Score: 1

    Joliet Illinois would never be on this list. The demographic indicator I use is the ( tooth / tattoo ) ratio. Normally Joliet has an embarrassingly low value, except where there is a NASCAR race in town. Then, the ( tooth / tattoo ) ratio slides down into the extreme low single digits.

       

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  39. Scoring by kelemvor4 · · Score: 1

    How is the scoring done? A 6 point spread between least and most intelligent doesn't seem all that interesting to me....

  40. Re:Smarter - less conservative and religious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    LOL at assumption being religious = dumb

  41. Vanishing Effect by pubwvj · · Score: 1

    "our analysis seems to show that users living in university communities tend to perform better than users of the same age in other locations.'"

    I'll bet that effect will vanish in the future. People used to gravitate to the university towns for resources that are now available no matter where you live. We live way the heck out in the countryside and can get the same intellectual resources via the Internet that we used to have to go to the university towns to get.

  42. New Mexico? by clovis · · Score: 1

    Their study is a cool idea, but it looks to me like they made a hash of it. It's simply a way of locating college towns.
    How did the southern half of New Mexico/Arizona get designated a single area? That segment appears to contain Phoenix. OK, I can see 500 people there playing games, but how did they expand the metro area to include half of New Mexico? I wonder if it's just the IP space of a single ISP.

    BTW, that yellow area in Georgia is probably Fort Benning - an area filled with people who have free time which may be filled with interruptions.

  43. dude by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    just look at the map linked in the story above

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    1. Re:dude by shiftless · · Score: 1

      Look at yourself. It's a crock of shit. Way to prove the GP's point through your blind ignorance.

  44. failure of parametric statistics? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, Madison WI scored well? Makes me wonder if the parametric statistics used in the analysis are actually reasonable to apply in this case.

  45. Turn the study up to 11 by paiute · · Score: 2

    "...users living in university communities tend to perform better than users of the same age in other locations....."

    That explains why Boston isn't on the list. It's not much of a college town.

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    1. Re:Turn the study up to 11 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "...users living in university communities tend to perform better than users of the same age in other locations....."

      That explains why Boston isn't on the list. It's not much of a college town.

      Boston is on the list. Not only that, but the article itself ends with the following sentence:

      it's actually quite impressive that San Francisco and Boston do as well as they do."

  46. Bloomington is Brain city by suso · · Score: 2

    None of you have anything on Bloomington, Indiana, where we literally have 22 large brains on display around the city:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IAb0ZaI-a0

  47. Re:Holy crap look at the Southeast by Dragonslicer · · Score: 1

    When was the Southern US "founded" anyway? Seems like many of those states were in the original 13.

    Really only 3 or 4 were in the group of original colonies. Georgia, South Carolina, and North Carolina are definitely considered southern. Virginia is usually considered to be part of the southern U.S., but it isn't quite the "deep south" that most people associate with being in the southern U.S. I don't think anyone considers Maryland and Delaware part of the southern U.S.

  48. What about? by Wolfling1 · · Score: 1

    404

  49. YESSS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I live in ANchojrage. I feelt that IU am mnuch samarter now that this artckle has been writed,.

  50. I think the brainiest city is the one by yoctology · · Score: 1

    that buys fewest subscriptions to Lumos Lab's viral Nostrum & Snake Oil Remedy for Feeble Cognition.

  51. Questionable results by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Considering that Alaska voted for Sarah Palin, I very much question the quality of their methodology.

  52. Anchorage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm not so sure about Anchorage after seeing this:
    http://maps.google.com/?ll=61.158976,-149.857418&spn=0.000873,0.00284&t=h&z=19

  53. Re:Holy crap look at the Southeast by shiftless · · Score: 1

    I agree. Let's build a wall to keep the Yankees out. You can keep your welfare states and your industrialized shitholes with all your rules and regulations and red tape; we'll keep on farm, fishing, enjoying God's country, and just generally being simple folk, without assholes from other parts of the country moving in to tell us how we should run the place.

  54. Re:Holy crap look at the Southeast by shiftless · · Score: 1

    I'm also missing blobs up in the north that I happen to know are full of ignorant shits. This map is a fucking joke. Nothing more than a way for assholes from "anywhere other than the South" to assert their superiority over "Southerners."

    I think they're just pissed because this good ole boy from Alabama is up in Michigan fucking all their "smart" women.

  55. Re:And the dumbest by shiftless · · Score: 1

    Yeah, and notice how they cut out large swaths of rural Michigan too? Alabama and Michigan are the only two states I really scrutized before tossing this map aside as the garbage as it is, since those are the ones I'm most familiar with.

  56. #20 Syracuse, New York... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My hometown... says it ALL!

    * :)

    (It's the polluted water from Onondaga Lake, which I can literally SEE from where I live in my home on a small mountain here (highest point in my city, part of WHY I wanted the place - great view)... that body of water's one of the MOST polluted in the nation - it's our "secret"!)

    APK

    P.S.=> "Let the flames begin", trolls... but, all I can say in regards to said flames is "don't argue with me, argue with the source article & folks who ran the tests"...apk

  57. Re:Holy crap look at the Southeast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have heritage from the South and North.

    I have ancestors who were soldiers in the Confederacy, and I have ancestors who were soldiers in the Union.

    Like 99% of the population the other 1% being the ragheads paki's and indian's who arrived recently.

  58. North/South gradient by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What I find interesting (never mind the theories of interpretation) is that there is a definite and highly visible North-South gradient in the data.

    What does that mean?