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MPAA's Dodd Secretly Lobbied For a Canadian DMCA

An anonymous reader writes "The Canadian government is expected to pass copyright reform next week. The bill's anti-circumvention rules are a mirror image of the DMCA, leading many to conclude that the government simply caved to U.S. led lobbying pressure. Now Michael Geist provides the evidence — a secret series of unreported meetings between MPAA head Christopher Dodd and Canada's foreign minister, heritage minister, and a senior industry official, just weeks after the bill was introduced and days before SOPA landed in the U.S."

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  1. FROSTY P!ZZ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This guy is a douschebarg

    1. Re:FROSTY P!ZZ by neokushan · · Score: 4, Funny

      Sadly, slashdot doesn't have a +1 stating the obvious.

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    2. Re:FROSTY P!ZZ by cpu6502 · · Score: 2

      Yeah it's pretty obvious that the MPAA is not strictly a U.S. organization. They are trying to lock-up control over movies all around the world, and kill-off fair use (or fair dealing).

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    3. Re:FROSTY P!ZZ by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 1

      That would be -1 redundant.

  2. I don't care if they are commonly known by chispito · · Score: 3, Interesting

    More than one acronym in a story title is confusing.

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    1. Re:I don't care if they are commonly known by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Welcome to slashdot. The new Reddit, where everyone knows what they talk about and they agree on some of their thoughts.

      I think it's something like a circlejerk with memes. Who knows, I don't go to reddit anymore.

    2. Re:I don't care if they are commonly known by chrismcb · · Score: 1

      "Motion Picture Association of America's Dodd Secretly Lobbied For a Canadian Digital Millennium Copyright Act" Yes you are right, the uncommonly spelled out names of some VERY common acronym's make the title much more readable.

  3. They didn't cave, they where happy to help by doconnor · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "the government simply caved to U.S. led lobbying pressure"

    It's not like the Conservatives where in any way reluctant to do exactly what large US corporations wanted.

    1. Re:They didn't cave, they where happy to help by Phrogman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Give our Canadian politicians - particularly the Conservatives, but obviously including the Liberals in the past - they give good results when properly paid for their services.
      You are right though, its merely in imitation of the US model for effective (Corporate) Government :(

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    2. Re:They didn't cave, they where happy to help by Ironhandx · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The difference is the Liberals choose where they get their bribes from rather more wisely than the conservatives. The liberals would bargain away less and get more out of it for themselves, these conservatives are giving away canadian rights hand over fist and seem to be getting very little in return so far.

    3. Re:They didn't cave, they where happy to help by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      good thing Dodd is a liberal Democrat. At least your conservatives will listen to a liberal in order to be led down the proper liberal path.

    4. Re:They didn't cave, they where happy to help by Sarius64 · · Score: 1

      Yes, you got us. Dodd and his previous sexual assaulting buddy Ted Kennedy were secretly conservatives. Now you may go on with your life.

    5. Re:They didn't cave, they where happy to help by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, even tho d/ling in Canada isn't illegal they may be shooting themselves in the foot. The reason it is legal is because there is a surcharge for recording devices. (CD's DVD's etc.) That surcharge already goes to the companies. For some reason Canadians buy more on line than any other country on the planet. So if they criminalize it, they may just lose big dollars if they'll no longer get their cut on blank dvd sales.

    6. Re:They didn't cave, they where happy to help by Phrogman · · Score: 1

      I suspect we order more online generally because if you look at our population distribution the bulk of the Canadian population is in a ribbon 100 mi wide and 3000+ miles long, all located next to the US border. Getting stuff shipped after ordering it online is probably just more efficient in the end. We have a long history of adopting new communications tools rather early up here after all.

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  4. Criminal by soundguy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There's no possible way a guy this scummy was even remotely honest during his time in the senate. Everything he ever did there should be investigated for possible corruption and racketeering. If he EVER had an ounce of integrity, I'm sure he sold it to the highest bidder at the earliest opportunity.

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    1. Re:Criminal by NIN1385 · · Score: 3, Funny

      There's no possibility any senator was even remotely honest during their time in the senate. FTFY

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    2. Re:Criminal by Loosifur · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well, Chris Dodd was implicated in a lot of sketchy business involving the subprime mortgage stuff. A lot of conflict of interest type things that seem to happen pretty often in Congress. Like he took a bunch of money from Fannie and Freddie, then trumpeted how financially healthy they were, right before they had to be entirely taken over by the Fed. He had some kind of involvement with Countrywide Financial, he had some tie to Bear-Stearns, and there was some flap about the AIG bailout, the details of which I don't recall. But, basically, during his time in Congress he had a lot of ties to a lot of financial institutions that have been under scrutiny for being awful, and he himself has benefited from these ties in ways that look at least a little bit sleazy. Granted, that could describe a lot of Congress, but that's the deal with him in particular. He's been a little bit of a scumbag well before he left Congress, and it's no surprise he remains a bit of a scumbag.

      Honestly, if the Pirate Party could pay off his mortgage, he'd probably scupper the MPAA. The nice thing about people who can be bought is that they can be bought by anyone.

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    3. Re:Criminal by dnahelicase · · Score: 4, Funny

      There's no possibility any senator was even remotely honest during their time in the senate. FTFY

      No, it's completely possible. The idea that there could be honest, intelligent senators has been around for years. I mean, think about it, with all the senators that get elected over time - they have to exist!

      Just because we haven't observed them yet doesn't mean they don't exist

    4. Re:Criminal by Shagg · · Score: 2

      Honest politicians can't get elected.

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    5. Re:Criminal by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 1

      Granted, that describes a lot of Congress

      FTFY.

      I saw mention today that there are 10 financial industry lobbyists per Congressman. Clearly that kind of money wouldn't be spent if it didn't get results.

    6. Re:Criminal by the_povinator · · Score: 2

      In the book "Chief of Station, Congo: Fighting the Cold War in a Hot Zone", the author mentions that Chris Dodd visited his station there, and he devotes a couple of paragraphs to the fact that he thought Dodd was a total dick. Basically his recollection was that Dodd was asking him questions, but they weren't really questions, he had some kind of stupid agenda, and all in all, he was left with a bad taste in his mouth from the encounter.

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    7. Re:Criminal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What was his party affiliation? Can we all all say DEMOCRAT

    8. Re:Criminal by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 1

      Just because we haven't observed them yet doesn't mean they don't exist

      Then again, what is the likely hood we will find the Bosen Higgs particle first? The other possibility is that they break down before entering the political collider?

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    9. Re:Criminal by Nugoo · · Score: 1

      The nice thing about people who can be bought is that they can be bought by anyone.

      Problem is, the bad guys have more money.

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    10. Re:Criminal by hemo_jr · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure how reassuring it is that Canadian politicians are as corrupt as those in the US.

    11. Re:Criminal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WELL... he was probably barney frank's closest friend, so that should tell you something(!). Thank Ghu he's not screwing up my state anymore.

  5. WTF Canada? by Das+Auge · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I thought you were better than this. You have the best privacy laws in the world.

    I hope they find a way to stop it. It's not too late is it?

    Disclosure: I'm American and have been jealous of Canada's privacy laws for years. Now I just feel sad for them.

    1. Re:WTF Canada? by fluffythedestroyer · · Score: 1

      Gov dont govern this world, its the big capitalist industry that govern it. This is an obvious statement but any corp or organisation that has either political power or money (a shit load) can dictate the government to it's knee's and unfortunately all they have to do is follow their rules.... unfortunately. This time of age is becoming very sad. Thank god we still have our faithful hackers. They don't care about idiot drm or laws, they will ignore it. So no matter what these laws will do, the people will always find a way around them.

    2. Re:WTF Canada? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, I'm a Canadian and very proud of the priviledges I enjoy. Sometimes I forget how lucky I am, and think that the freedoms I enjoy apply to many other free countries around the world. When I read slash, usually I'm shaking my head on rights abuses in China, the USA or the UK. Not this time!

      Sadly, all it takes is one bad government to steamroll legislation through and shut down all opposition. Just when I think our politicians can't get any worse, it does.

      Our current government is so uncanadian, but I fear few Canadians have the ability to stop this insanity. Foreign corporations own most of Canada, and it seems most Canadians are too nice to stand up and make sacrifices to stop this insanity.
      Most that I have met have fallen to the "If you can't beat 'em, join 'em" trap, and have sold their souls out of ignorance or despair.

    3. Re:WTF Canada? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately, a lot of the idiotic US laws are being forced on Canada as well, if a few years later.

    4. Re:WTF Canada? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      I thought you were better than this. You have the best privacy laws in the world.

      I hope they find a way to stop it. It's not too late is it?

      Disclosure: I'm American and have been jealous of Canada's privacy laws for years. Now I just feel sad for them.

      The problem was that Harper was given a majority government (becaues the Liberals self-imploded).

      Now he's shown his hidden agenda - he's no more a conservative than a corporatist hell-bent on throwing Canadians under a bus as long as it makes some corporation a profit. (See oil pipelines, see omnibus budget bill that is probably very little about budget and more about amending environmental laws to shove a pipeline through BC), etc. And of course, nice laws to make sure that environmental groups are heavily audited for "foreign funds" (despite lobby groups taking of said out-of-country money as a good thing).

      Of course, it started before when he renamed the Government of Canada to "Harper Government", and the way he's been doing stuff, really "Harper Dictatorship" - Harper's way or the highway. (Note to self: Start Googlebomb for Harper that autocompletes to that.)

      Hell, supposedly he's brainwashed his MPs as well - there was one who wanted to vote against the budget (and said there were probably a dozen more Conservative MPs who felt the same way) and got a stern talking to as "Independents never get their way".

      Of course, given Harper's majority is a slim one, if there really were that many people wanting out, becoming independent would make them the most powerful people in the House as Harper would have a minority government.

      Harper wants it done, and he'll get his way. And he really wants the copyright law, ACTA, SOPA, DMCA, because he's been convinced it's Good for the Economy(tm) and Jobs(tm) because the US says so. I expect the privacy laws to go next because they're getting in the way of doing business. And he must be right because Canada is doing better economically than the US and Europe, and thus his leadership is superior.

      Sad fact is politics in Canada has positioned him to be basically the leader for the rest of his life - the Liberals are gone, the NDP has its own issues.

    5. Re:WTF Canada? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      I hope they find a way to stop it. It's not too late is it?

      Unfortunately, the current Canadian government has an absolute mandate by 24% of the population to do whatever corporate multinationals tell them to do.

    6. Re:WTF Canada? by Livius · · Score: 1

      Actually, "Harper Government" is actually the correct way to describe his ministry, since we speak the Queen's English in Commonwealth countries.

  6. What?! by rgbrenner · · Score: 5, Funny

    What?! Dodd, as head of an organization than wants a DMCA law in Canada, lobbied the Canadians for a DMCA law? You don't say

    I've never heard of such a ridiculous thing... It's like he was doing his job or something. Who the hell does that?!

    1. Re:What?! by RearNakedChoke · · Score: 1

      What?! Dodd, as head of an organization than wants a DMCA law in Canada, lobbied the Canadians for a DMCA law? You don't say

      I've never heard of such a ridiculous thing... It's like he was doing his job or something. Who the hell does that?!

      Hitmen. They take their jobs very seriously.

    2. Re:What?! by whisper_jeff · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's like he was doing his job or something. Who the hell does that?!

      Certainly not Canadian politicians who are supposed to represent the will of the Canadian people rather than sell the country out to foreign corporate interests...

    3. Re:What?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The issue is not what Dodd did, but what the Canadian Government did in response.

  7. Not worth all the trouble by cvtan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Is it really necessary to go through all this to prevent people from stealing songs worth $.99? Surely prevention of bank robbery or sketchy investing is more important. Nearly any crime you can think of is more important! There are so many things that are screwed up and people get worked up about this? Sigh.

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    1. Re:Not worth all the trouble by fluffythedestroyer · · Score: 2

      The music industry has been putting pressure on the Canadian (and lots of other country btw) government to use more restrictive laws for years. ironicaly, it is worth all the trouble for them. I say ironically because they still an old system which is barely hanging on life now a days. We've seen it recently with the sales of digital music. It seems that industry is having lots of trouble adapting to either new technologies or new ways to get people to spend money on artist or music. It's a shame really.

    2. Re:Not worth all the trouble by Shagg · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Is it really necessary to go through all this to prevent people from stealing songs worth $.99?

      No, but that's not what the RIAA/MPAA are really worried about. Their model is based on the power that being a distribution monopoly gives them. It is necessary to them to go through all of this to prevent any threat/competition to that monopoly, such as P2P.

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    3. Re:Not worth all the trouble by snowraver1 · · Score: 1

      *Cough* That's Horseshit*cough*

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    4. Re:Not worth all the trouble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's the best part. The DMCA and its kin don't even stop stealing! They just stop piracy.

    5. Re:Not worth all the trouble by poetmatt · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No. This is what you do when you want to *go out of* business, not the other way around. The harm these bills have to every nation that passes them is exponentially greater than any amount than any individual recording/music industry stands to gain.

    6. Re:Not worth all the trouble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      In Canada, copyright infringment is not even technically a CRIME, (they are, of course, trying to change this).

  8. Being hunted down. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When I see comments like the above, I always wonder if the commenter is ever tracked down and been served - to appear in court. And with Dodd's contacts - all those years on the Senate and now he's with one of the most aggressive organizations ever in as far as tracking people on the net, I just wonder.

    So, soundguy, if you are ever hunted down and served, please post a story! I really want to hear about it!

    1. Re:Being hunted down. by fluffythedestroyer · · Score: 1

      He wont be dragged to court, they'll punish him by making sure he make excuses publicly. Come on man, were in Canada here. Justice doesn't exist (no more electric chair damn it)...yet. LOL

    2. Re:Being hunted down. by Prune · · Score: 1

      >(no more electric chair damn it)...yet. LOL

      I find it unsurprising that this sort of comment seems limited to posters with a 2,000,000 + user ID. Scary to think that today's kids will be ruling our world a couple of decades from now.

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    3. Re:Being hunted down. by Pf0tzenpfritz · · Score: 1

      Yeah. Let's be sure to make this rot of a planet uninhabitable before it's to late.

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  9. Strange by JWW · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I always find it interesting how moralizing and condescending the MPAA can be to citizens of so many countries, then they turn around and provide products, which in their minds we "must buy" that glamorize and criminals and gangsters.

    I really believe there ought to be a law that bans movie studios from making movies about violating the law.

    Actually, no I don't believe that. But I be willing to trade a promise from the studios that they can continue to make movies about criminals ONLY IF THEY STOP LOBBYING FOR LAWS THAT MAKE EVERYONE A CRIMINAL!!!

    1. Re:Strange by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, no I don't believe that. But I be willing to trade a promise from the studios that they can continue to make movies about criminals ONLY IF THEY STOP LOBBYING FOR LAWS THAT MAKE EVERYONE A CRIMINAL!!!

      Oh, come now. Hollywood makes movies about little petty crimes, like extortion, murder (all degrees, premeditated, mass, etc), drug running, jailbreaking, grand theft, vandalism, mass destruction of public property, and jaywalking. Those are nothing compared to watching a movie when they didn't say you could.

  10. Seems weird that they can call it copyright reform by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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  11. Re:Seems weird that they can call it copyright ref by fluffythedestroyer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Ironically we still do (currently) have a copyright law...if you can call it that. One thing comes to mind, if it works, don't touch it.

  12. No suprise the CPC would sell out Canadians by Kernel+Kurtz · · Score: 1

    They are as bought and paid for as politicians in the US. But in the end it's just more stupid laws that will be widely ignored by pretty much everyone. Like so many others.

  13. Re:TSA said the workers are among 10 who are accus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You accidentally clicked "post as AC", roman_mir

  14. "...mirror image of the DMCA..." by John+Hasler · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Do you mean that it is exactly like the DMCA including the safe harbor provision, or that it is the DMCA, reversed? Neither seems likely.

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    1. Re:"...mirror image of the DMCA..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The anti-circumvention rules are a mirror image of the DMCA, otherwise the bill is very different. Of course, in almost every single section granting user rights (with the exception of the computer security section, IIRC) has a statement to the effect of, "Not withstanding section {anti-circumvention}, the individual is allowed to".

      You can read the bill here if you're inclined.

      Mind you, I've asked my local MP why he feels I should receive a two year jail term simply because I want to format shift a DVD to my android tablet. He has not provided any answer (besides a simple form letter).

    2. Re:"...mirror image of the DMCA..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's more of a "funhouse mirror" version. For example, it explicitly grants new rights, such as format-shifting; while making circumvention of DRM illegal, including if you try to exercise those new "rights". Oh, look, we can legally copy DVDs to other devices ... if they aren't CSS encrypted. When the previous version of the bill was presented it made for an entertaining press conference when the minister responsible tried to explain how it was supposed to work. This time I don't even think they bothered to have a press conference. They just re-tabled pretty much the same bill, and they can ram it through parliament with a majority. :-(

      Anyway, to use the inevitable car analogy, it's kind of like telling someone they can now legally drive their car on public roads, but if someone installs a spike strip at the end of the driveway you aren't allowed to go around it.

    3. Re:"...mirror image of the DMCA..." by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Interestingly enough this law will most likely get stuck down by the SCC considering we have fair dealing in play here.

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    4. Re:"...mirror image of the DMCA..." by dryeo · · Score: 1

      I've heard it'll get struck down as it passes off IP as property and property is the domain of the provinces. So in other words, if IP is actually property, then the federal government does not have jurisdiction.

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  15. Re:TSA said the workers are among 10 who are accus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm sorry, you seem to be mistaking me for someone who gives a shit what you say.

    Now sod off swampy.

  16. Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Corruption and racketeering are the primary incentives that drive people to seek government jobs. The default assumption should be that all politicians are basically corrupt, and the only way to prevent them from harming you is to stay actively involved in politics (including taking decisive political action such as voting, lobbying, and donating real money to effective lobbies) at all times.

    Investigations and such are only for politicians that don't play ball or otherwise cause detrimental harm to other politicians. Dodd has done nothing of the sort, so of course any actions along those lines are simply off the table.

  17. Chris Dodd & Jack Valenti by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Separated at birth, or what?

  18. Elected officials are now criminals. by arthurpaliden · · Score: 2

    So it appears that Canadian members of Parliament are about to make themselves and all their relatives criminals. Interesting.

    1. Re:Elected officials are now criminals. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean they weren't already?

  19. Lobbied or bribed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lest we never forget, this is the same Dodd that all but admitted to bribing the US Congress on behalf of the RIAA.

  20. Chris Dodd (Democrat) by AntiBasic · · Score: 0

    Funny how the story leaves out his party. If he was a republican, it'd be written in Iraqi blood on the title.

    They told me if I voted for McCain, I'd see former senators running the MPAA and pressuring other nations into the interests of media companies... and they were right!

  21. Re:TSA said the workers are among 10 who are accus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    where in fuck do you come up with bullshit, does it take days to ferment in your digestive track, do you have to have it surgically removed, does it come out in little bits or all just come shout out like uncontrollable diarrhea. Oh wait i think i just answered my own question.

    Let me guess your in the business of medicare fraud, no.

  22. Do they have tar and feathers in Canada? by Freddybear · · Score: 2

    It's a little old fashioned, but those old-timers knew how to get the point across.

    1. Re:Do they have tar and feathers in Canada? by Maow · · Score: 1

      It's a little old fashioned, but those old-timers knew how to get the point across.

      Yes, but we're quickly getting to the 4th box to use in the defense of our liberty:

      There are 4 boxes to use in the defence of liberty:
        1) soap, 2) ballot, 3) jury, 4) ammo.
      Use in that order.

      Unbelievable how quickly things can change! Not that I cared for the previous governments, but we've had a Quiet Revolution^w^w Silent Coup here, complete with rampant election fraud.

  23. DODD by Frankie70 · · Score: 1

    Dodd is not an acronym - it's Chris Dodd who used to be a democrat senator.

    1. Re:DODD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Dodd is not an acronym - it's Chris Dodd who used to be a democrat senator.

      That's funny. I thought DODD stood for "Denial Of Due Diligence"?

  24. Do you realize who Dodd is? by Quila · · Score: 1

    He was a LIBERAL DEMOCRATIC senator from Connecticut for 30 years. He is a former chairman of the Democratic National Committee.

    He was also buddy-buddy with the big bankers, taking loads of their money, in the years leading up to the recent crash while he was Chair of the Senate Banking Committee.

    He flat-out lied that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were in no danger in order to avoid them being more heavily regulated, all the while taking money from them. He pushed through legislation favorable to Countrywide Financial while accepting favorable loan terms from them as part of a "VIP" program. He even got Clinton to pardon a big-shot bank executive convicted of insider trading, and in return he got a sweat deal on some property through a friend of the felon.

    And to top it off, this liberal Democrat who gets paid $1.5 million a year to lobby for the MAFIAA SWORE he would never take the revolving door to being a lobbyist.

    All this, and you're talking about conservatives?

    1. Re:Do you realize who Dodd is? by dryeo · · Score: 1

      The party doesn't matter, if he came from a red state then he would be a Conservative Republican doing exactly the same thing. These assholes choose their party based on odds of getting elected, not personal believes.
      Sadly politics attracts assholes like Dodd and they're usually unscrupulous enough to get elected.

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    2. Re:Do you realize who Dodd is? by Quila · · Score: 1

      The party doesn't matter

      Actually, it does. For the most part, the Democrats are the ones who take money from and kowtow to the MAFIAA, and the entertainment industry in general. The Republicans have other corporate owners.

      These assholes choose their party based on odds of getting elected, not personal believes.

      So that's why Scott Brown campaigned for "Teddy Kennedy's seat" as a Republican. That seat was a sure fire Democrat win. It had been Democrat for over 60 years, and so solidly Democrat that Teddy killed a girl in the late 60s and still got re-elected.