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While the U.S. and Iran Negotiate, War Commences In Cyberspace

An anonymous reader writes "A series of reports shows that the U.S. and Israel are engaged in a cyber war with Iran to stop it from developing nuclear weapons. Oddly enough, at the same time, the United States and others nations are trying to negotiate with Iran. As America and others start the world's first undeclared cyber-wars, dangerous precedents are being set that this type of warfare is without consequences. Such ideas could not be further from from truth."

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  1. Crazy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As crazy as this may sound, talking with each other is usually the best option.

    1. Re:Crazy by cpu6502 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      >>>every time USA, France, Germany, anybody, tries to talk to the leadership in Iran they are met with a very disingenuous leadership who will talk round in circles

      Source?
      Last I heard Iran allowed UN inspection teams to enter the country and look at the labs. ALSO you seem to be unaware that Iran is allowed to develop nuclear capability under the terms of the Nonproliferation Treaty. It's not a crime for them to purify uranium below 29% purity. You appear to hate Iran simply because you were TOLD to hate Iran, without any logical reason for doing so. You're a "useful idiot" of the politicians.

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  2. An undeclared war by girlintraining · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "As America and others start the world's first undeclared cyber-wars, dangerous precedents are being set that this type of warfare is without consequences. Such ideas could not be further from from truth."

    Oh please. The French have been doing this kind of thing since before the United States even had a name for it. It's called industrial espionage, and they're so good at it that the executives of major companies are frequently told to never use the fax machines in hotels, or the phones, or the internet (unless it is an encrypted VPN), because the French government aggressively works to steal industrial secrets from other countries and provide it to their own businesses. People think because you add the word "Internet" to a social problem, that suddenly makes it new and special... le sigh.

    All the internet did was make it faster and more efficient; Which is (wait for it) what computers in general do to socioeconomic processes.

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  3. Re:United States playing the role of 1941 Japan by kamapuaa · · Score: 5, Informative

    . The U.S. had already been at war against Japan for several years, bombing & killing their soldiers in China

    What? No. They had an oil embargo, but that was a peanut response to the occupation and attempted colonization of China, which America was nominal allies with.

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  4. Re:United States playing the role of 1941 Japan by l0ungeb0y · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Flying Tigers were not US Military -- they were a force of trained Pilots who volunteered their service to a non-US Military effort out of a personal interest and as such, took their lives into their own hands -- hence the Blood Chit that the Tigers had tacked to the back of their flight jackets since the US had no significant military presence in the theatre to perform rescue operations on downed pilots and any US forces present were engaged in civilian relief operations and humanitarian roles only.

    So no -- the US was not at war with Japan prior to Pearl Harbor.

  5. Re:Once again proving the USA is really the bad gu by Un+pobre+guey · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Preventing a theocracy from getting a nuclear reaction is inarguably a good thing.

    This is rubbish. You are using a premise as its own justification. Israel is not in danger from an Iranian nuclear attack. Such an attack would be complete suicide for Iran. At best, Iran wants to play the game of using the Bomb as a political weapon as does everyone else. It isn't e very credible game, given the force asymmetry between them and Israel. Israelis know Iran is not a substantial threat, as some of their intelligence officials have pointed out. The question is, why are Israel and the US conducting open hostilities against Iran, including operations by US Special Forces on Iranian territory and support of terrorist attacks in Iran by Mujahedin e Khalq as well as Flame, Stuxnet, etc.?

    In the past one could have speculated that they help maintain the illusion of great instability in the Middle East, which helps justify huge financial support of the US and international arms industry (where Israel is an important player, BTW) as well as high petroleum spot market prices (the traditional reason to ensure that there is always conflict somewhere vaguely near our political allies' oil fields, but not too near). Oddly, though, oil prices have fallen in the recent past, presumably due to unusually weak demand (in spite of that all-time favorite: "The Summer Driving Season"). Military spending has not diminished, however, and in the US Republican politicians are constantly trying to take military spending "off the table" when budget cutting activities heat up.

    Frankly, I never am able to figure out why such things occur until well after the fact when the other shoe drops and it becomes clear who is making the big bucks out of the deal. Make no mistake, though. This is about money, one way or the other. The "Israel is in mortal danger from the crazy mullahs" scam is pure horse shit. I guess we'll have to wait for Steve Coll to quietly write a book 10 years from now with the details.