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Pirate Bay Founder Fined For 'Continued Involvement'
tekgoblin writes with an excerpt from TekGoblin: "The founders of The Pirate Bay have been hit with a bunch of punishments and other measures to prevent them from continuing. However Fredrik Neij was just fined by the Stockholm District court another 500,000 Swedish kronor ($70,690 US). Fredrik Neij and Gorrfrid Scatholm both had been banned from operating the site but Neij had been recently found still involved with the site. Neij already owes around 10.6 million."
what's another 70k?
It's Gottfrid Svartholm, ffs.
c++;
10.6 million what?
the first million times. Do you have anything new to contribute?
it's one thing to download a song or movie, say "That was crap", and erase it. It's another thing to actively copy millions of them, or assist others to do it, and distribute those copies to other people.
Only the original author(s) have the right to copy their creation. Maybe that law is unjust and needs to be changed (like downsizing the 110 year span to 20 years), but for now that is the law and these guys are clearly violating it.
If you're going to throw fines you'll never be able to collect, might as well put it in the billions, and then blame him for the economy crashing.
What do I know, I'm just an idiot, right?
Yeah, blacks, get to the back of the bus. Don't you know you're breaking the law?
Don't give me none of that 'civil disobedience' crap, you're breaking the law!
bend like the reed
Your .sig reveals the flaws in your thinking better than your comment above, but it is of the same kind.
You can not compare one with the other. Have you failed to notice how the content industry is behind all the anti-piracy propaganda, while authors and musicians are mostly busy doing what they've always done?
What needs changing is not only the law, but also the content distribution system. Once the authors get more than a couple cents from that CD that I didn't buy, we can talk about unjust laws and author rights, deal?
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More likely he's pointing out that sometimes the law is wrong.
Might? When did they use force?
As far as I can tell the only use or threat of force is coming from those supporting copyright in this case. The government in this instance.
Copyright is really not a right, it is depriving the rest of society of the right to copy. I personally think that if the scope and length of this monopoly was lower it might be morally acceptable, but 100 years is surely not.
Women have a natural right not to be raped.
Copyright is not a right at all. It's a privilege granted by "the people" to the copyright holder. Do you think "the people" extended copyrights? No, that was lobbyists and our so-called representatives. If people are being abused by a law created by people they feel do not represent them how do you expect them to have any respect for that law at all? Especially when that law isn't protecting anyone's natural rights...
People deserve just compensation for their work. They do not deserve to receive compensation in perpetuity at the expense of sending others to jail or fining them into oblivion.
They do; there's a tax on rewritable media.
-SaNo
They might deserve it but telling it's all of their fault is not true at all. I feel like the industry didn't ask important questions like "why is my product getting pirated ? " and "how can I stop piracy ?". Never in my life I never heard of any of these types of questions from these guys...ever. I don't think I ever will too since those same guys are just penalizing folks with millions of dollars (or Knonor ?). Nope, instead of putting ressource, time and money on the origin and source of the problem, they still continue to release and distribute products with the same "security" or "system" without any improvement. The only system i heard which is a debate in itself is DRM (I won't go in that lol)... but that's it, nothing else.
i can honestly say I pirate games and software to try it first if it's worth the money I spend. Unfortunately, I admit that most games and software I pirate are not worth it....mostly are crap in my opinion. I know it's general but most games are played between 8-20 hours alone, linear and the replay value is almost zero. In my book, that's not worth 60$....hell not even 20$. There was a time where gameplay, replay value and how you play your games with friends was on top of the todo list instead of the deadline. So today, I mostly buy my games on Steam (I wait for the weekend specials at 75% reduction)
So if the industry and company won't make the effort to "fix" this problem, why would I do it ? this is a game thats played bothways....if they want my money... seduce me ffs
Are you implying piracy issues are comparable to civil rights?
copyright is a limit of civil rights.
though cultural professional("the establishment") lobbying is trying to prove that copyright is a civil right, quite successfully too. however, copyright needs essentially endless involvement from government(aka "authority") limiting what people are allowed to do.
the fines are ridiculous - he's just going to live on welfare and do untaxed work. what's more ridiculous is that he could have gotten away with less financial penalties for combined manslaughter and a bank robbery.
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
You laugh, but if he had a PATENT on the bench, this would pretty much be true....
"I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
No. You're putting words in his mouth.
Artists deserve to be paid. They are not being paid under the current system, and they would arguably make *more* under a "copyright doesn't exist, pirate whatever you want" system.
Why?
Artists do *not* get paid properly for recordings. Seriously. Your album can go multi-platinum, and you still will see *maybe* a few cents on each album. Often less - Hollywood accounting means that you'll quite often see *nothing*. At that point, it doesn't matter whether people pay for your albums or not - all you can make money from is licensing (if you managed to retain the rights to your own music), and concerts. And your "publisher" *will* take a cut from both.
So let's suppose, for a minute, that we get rid of all that. Piracy is completely legalized for personal use - you only need to pay for it if you're using it in a movie or broadcasting it on the radio or something.
That turns your recordings into advertisements for your concerts. Which means you *want* them spread as far as they can - you *want* people to pirate your music, because that means more people are likely to shell out $$ for tickets, and t-shirts, and other merchandise.
And how do I know this would work? Because artists are rooting for it.
Not all of them, no, but there are more than I can list, who *already* say "pirate my music, come to my concerts".
How many other industries are there where the producers actually *encourage* their customers to break the law? That alone should be enough of a sign that the law, and the system, are *broken*.
And what do we do with broken systems? We throw them out, destroy them, and build a new one.
At least until someone open source hardwared a butt supporting apparatus sufficient for outdoor use.
Damm right. As a home builder it greatly offends me that just ANYONE can move into these houses after i build them.
It's criminal that i don't get to keep control forever of my creations.
Your best implementation argument assumes that the best implemenation will win.
That's nonsense. The second-best implementation will always kick the crap out of the best implementation if priced sufficiently lower.
Make an almost-as-good copy, sell it cheaper, and crush the inventor who cannot recover his development costs.
We need copyright and patent law. But it does need to be made more fair.
There's a lot of truth in your first paragraph, but it falls short of the whole truth. The various industry associations are mainly representing the top 1% of authors. For the european countries, with its collecting agencies for public performances, most of the money goes to the top artists as well, so much that artists have begun to leave those associations because they don't see their advantage anymore.
So yes, the RIAA/MPAA does work for the artists - as well as the producers, distributors and a dozen others in the system. And in many cases, the artist, while always at the forefront in the propaganda, ist the one getting the short end of the stick. Fortunately, artists are not only waking up, they are also discovering that for the 2nd paragraph of yours, they don't need a good part of the system anymore, they can do it themselves.
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