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Seth MacFarlane Helps LOC Acquire Carl Sagan Papers

dsinc writes with news of a but of altruism on the part Family Guy's creator. From the article: "Seth MacFarlane once included a gag on his animated TV comedy 'Family Guy' about an 'edited for rednecks' version of Carl Sagan's 'Cosmos,' featuring an animated Sagan dubbed over to say that the earth is 'hundreds and hundreds' of years old. Jokes aside, his admiration for Sagan runs deep. The Library of Congress announced Wednesday that, thanks to MacFarlane's generosity, it has acquired the personal papers of the late scientist and astronomer, who spoke to mass audiences about the mysteries of the universe and the origins of life. While MacFarlane never owned Sagan's papers, he covered the undisclosed costs of donating them to the library."

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  1. first knee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    sssshhht Ow. sssssssshhht Ow.

    1. Re:first knee by recharged95 · · Score: 2

      giggity.

    2. Re:first knee by Haoie · · Score: 1

      Actually, I already knew about the age of the universe then.

      But I did learn that rednecks love Mountain Dew!

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  2. Kudos! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    & Bravo!

  3. Deserves Praise by MonsterTrimble · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No matter what you think of Seth MacFarlane's body of work (early Family Guy is good, the rest is meh at best) he should be commended.

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    1. Re:Deserves Praise by ackthpt · · Score: 2

      No matter what you think of Seth MacFarlane's body of work (early Family Guy is good, the rest is meh at best) he should be commended.

      Always nice to see someone who makes their filthy lucre on Fox doing some good karma. ;o)

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    2. Re:Deserves Praise by Sarten-X · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Personally, I don't really like his style of humor, and haven't been able to watch a full episode of Family Guy in a very long time. It's obvious, however, that he's a guy with a deep sense of personal morals and an appreciation for intellectual pursuits - even if his work doesn't often promote such things. This strikes me as just the sort of thing Seth MacFarlane would do. He has a particular ideological goal (that Sagan's works should be preserved and public), and will use any mechanism at his disposal to bring it to fruition.

      Mr. MacFarlane, I find your characters disgusting, but your character impeccable. Well done.

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    3. Re:Deserves Praise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Family Guy relies on way too many references+flashbacks; American Dad is like the good parts of Family Guy without constant flashback gags.

    4. Re:Deserves Praise by Kenja · · Score: 1

      Still not going to see Ted. But thats more about Marky Mark then Seth.

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    5. Re:Deserves Praise by OffaMyLawn · · Score: 1

      Now I have "feel it, feel it!" on repeat in my brain. Thanks for that.

    6. Re:Deserves Praise by mwvdlee · · Score: 1

      Whenever I hear of see anything about Ted, I can't help but think it's "Wilfred" with a teddy bear.

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    7. Re:Deserves Praise by steelfood · · Score: 4, Insightful

      he's a guy with a deep sense of personal morals and an appreciation for intellectual pursuits - even if his work doesn't often promote such things

      On the contrary. Family guy satires the lack of morals and intelligence. Not only that, but there are numerous gems spread across the show that hint at these qualities.

      If you think Family Guy is only about some dumb family doing dumb shit (but with a brilliant baby and a smart dog), then you're not watching it correctly. The jokes may often appear to be off-color, but the humor isn't in the joke itself, but in the making of the joke.

      I'd suggest you give it another shot, starting with some of the better episodes. Don't remember which ones off the top of my head, but I'm sure Google can solve that problem. Just beware of spoilers.

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    8. Re:Deserves Praise by The+Mister+Purple · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I remember an episode where one of the characters made reference to Benjamin Disraeli. There is the obligatory cut to an animated Disraeli, who looks straight at the viewer and says, "You don't even know who I am." Beautiful!

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    9. Re:Deserves Praise by Sarten-X · · Score: 1

      I see that, and on the rare moments that the intellect shines through, it's brilliant... The rest of the time it's just irritating. I get it, Peter can belch to a tune. The first three notes were worth a chuckle. The rest of the symphony is overkill that exhausts my patience for the joke, even if the symphony itself is a beautiful piece.

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    10. Re:Deserves Praise by istartedi · · Score: 1

      I feel the same way. It started out as regular humor, and quickly went to shock humor in cartoon form. Oddly enough, this seems to make a LOT of money for some people. Maybe executives have an affinity for this type of thing. How else do you explain Howard Stern?

      At the end of the day, if you can make the suits laugh, it doesn't matter if viewers laugh. It only matters that viewers watch. Whether they are watching because they like it, or because they are making copius notes for the next PTA meeting is irrelevant. Go one step further, and all that really matters is that the suits think they're watching. If my machine tells your machine that I'm watching, the suits love that. It's like they're actually playing virtual skeeball with taxpayer dollars.

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    11. Re:Deserves Praise by buchner.johannes · · Score: 0

      he's a guy with a deep sense of personal morals and an appreciation for intellectual pursuits - even if his work doesn't often promote such things

      On the contrary. Family guy satires the lack of morals and intelligence.

      Isn't that like saying Jackass satires stupidity and Hip-hop videos ridicule our materialistic/sexist society?

      You could watch them from that POV with your argument. With South Park it's obvious that people put some thought into the satire and try to convey a "moral lesson learned".

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    12. Re:Deserves Praise by Raenex · · Score: 1

      I stopped watching after the episode where Stewie was seriously hurt, and instead of getting him to a hospital they kept on trying to cover it up until the whole thing turned into a dead baby sick-and-twisted animation. I put up with the Conway Twitty and other overly-long jokes ridiculousness, but that whole episode was repugnant without being funny at all.

    13. Re:Deserves Praise by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 4, Funny

      I stopped watching after the episode where Stewie was seriously hurt, and instead of getting him to a hospital they kept on trying to cover it up until the whole thing turned into a dead baby sick-and-twisted animation.

      On other words, you threw the bathwater out with the baby.

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    14. Re:Deserves Praise by FrootLoops · · Score: 4, Insightful

      even if his work doesn't often promote such things [as personal morals and an appreciation for intellectual pursuits]

      I don't think you've watched enough of it if to say that. Some counterexamples:
        * A Hero Sits Next Door: a disabled guy gets added to the cast; Peter reacts badly at first but becomes friends later
        * If I'm Dyin', I'm Lyin': Peter starts a religion, Lois says it's wrong, God punishes him for his arrogance, Peter repents.
        * The Thin White Line: Brian gets addicted to cocaine and eventually takes responsibility for it by going to rehab

      Some of the MacFarlane characters are pretty much immune to personal responsibility considerations, but they're portrayed as highly unrealistic--eg. Stewie (Family Guy), Roger (American Dad), partly Quagmire (Family Guy). The more realistic characters often have strong moral centers--eg. Lois and usually Bryan (Family Guy)--and I think these are the ones you're expected to identify with. For instance, I'm reminded of Lois in You May Now Kiss the... Uh... Guy Who Receives:

      Lois Griffin: Wait a minute. Are you saying that two straight people who absolutely hate each other have more of a right to be married than gay people who love each other?!
      Mrs. Pewterschmidt: Well, that's what we raised you to believe.

      I'd say the audience is expected to identify with Lois and take her view on the matter, considering how poor the rebuttal is. The Carl Sagan bit is the same way, and there are numerous other examples where the audience is expected to take a particular (IMO good) stance.

      Family Guy and American Dad morality is a mixed bag, though it's frequently (usually?) good if you throw out the unrealistic characters' lack of consequences. Intellectual pursuits really aren't promoted much though.

    15. Re:Deserves Praise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Family Guy relies on way too many references+flashbacks; American Dad is like the good parts of Family Guy without constant flashback gags.

      ??I thought American Dad was the more unfunny and irritating material that got cut from Family Guy episodes?

    16. Re:Deserves Praise by Kozz · · Score: 2

      I put up with the Conway Twitty and other overly-long jokes ridiculousness...

      The first time that Conway Twitty went on for more than a minute, I shut it off. It sort of felt like Seth was simply a masochist, relishing in the abuse of his audience. It just felt like, "Ha-ha, you're a fucktard to sit there and keep watching this, but I know you're gonna anyway". So I called his bluff.

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    17. Re:Deserves Praise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Still not going to see Ted. But thats more about Marky Mark then Seth."

      Seeing that you don't know the difference between 'then' and 'than' you'd better wait for the redneck version.

    18. Re:Deserves Praise by PeanutButterBreath · · Score: 3, Insightful

      With South Park it's obvious that people put some thought into the satire and try to convey a "moral lesson learned".

      Too obvious, IMO.

    19. Re:Deserves Praise by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

      Then you're missing the joke in a joke. It's not meant for you, obviously. Move along.

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    20. Re:Deserves Praise by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

      Wow... you sure do put a lot of thought into how people around you want to do bad things to you, don't you?

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    21. Re:Deserves Praise by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

      While I like American Dad, it's pretty much one type of humor, done in many different ways.
      It's NOTHING like Family Guy aside from being made by the same guy and having the voices intermix.

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    22. Re:Deserves Praise by Roachie · · Score: 1

      The Conway Twitty gag was the greatest coup in adult cartoon history.

      "Hundreds and hundreds" of hip adolescents, of all ages, sitting around and ironically watching a `70s polyester country-western nightmare. "Huh? what the hell is the crap man?"

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    23. Re:Deserves Praise by arkane1234 · · Score: 2

      No, it's not true, it's opinion.

      That's only true for you.

      The fact that you think like that tells me I would hate to know you.

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    24. Re:Deserves Praise by newcastlejon · · Score: 1

      It sort of felt like Seth was simply a masochist, relishing in the abuse of his audience.

      FYI, that's sadism. Masochism is what Seth would be into if he watched any of his own shows.

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    25. Re:Deserves Praise by Steauengeglase · · Score: 2

      It insists upon itself.

    26. Re:Deserves Praise by filthpickle · · Score: 1

      They routinely make fun of themselves for how much they will drive a joke into the ground. IMO the entire chicken fight stuff is them laughing at themselves for just how far they will go with that.

      I don't dislike the show, but it's well down on the list.

    27. Re:Deserves Praise by seepho · · Score: 1

      Hey, don't try to shut him up. If it weren't for comment forums like these, there would be no one to validate the idea that the reason I enjoy the media I consume is because I'm smarter than the people who consume media I don't enjoy.

    28. Re:Deserves Praise by filthpickle · · Score: 0

      Yeah, I gotta agree with this. I think those Conway Twitty gags are hilarious.

      Well before family guy existed there was an infomercial for some country and western hits compilation and his song "You've never been this far before" was on it. They showed him singing it, and it remains one of the creepiest things I have ever seen in my life. An OLD man, eyes closed singing a song about taking someone's virginity. I always wondered if that was the seed of the gag.

      An aside....does anyone (some of them are probably posting in here) know any young people that watch the show, love it, and get almost NONE of the references the jokes are making?

    29. Re:Deserves Praise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, we aren't. It simply isn't funny or clever.

    30. Re:Deserves Praise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      In all fairness, who amongst us hasn't been sexually molested by a dolphin? This is why I support the tuna industry. It's the To Catch a Predator of the sea.

    31. Re:Deserves Praise by Keen+Anthony · · Score: 1

      One of my favorite bits that comes up now and again started with Peter running home with his golden ticket, then falling on the sidewalk and gripping his ankle. He just rocks back and forth wincing and and gasping. The joke goes on longer than it should, and therein lies the humor.

    32. Re:Deserves Praise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you don't know the difference between 'then' and 'than'

      Seriously, I could care less. Their are a lot of rules regarding english and I don't care what people think, irregardless of any facts.

    33. Re:Deserves Praise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ohh wow. If I had mod points, I'd give you all of them. I mean...if you could do that.

    34. Re:Deserves Praise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's regurgitated pap that we've all heard a hundred times before from other sources. Watching Family Guy is like hanging out with that person who continually repeats the same life stories/drama every time you see them.

    35. Re:Deserves Praise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Don't loose you're temper their but for all intensive purposes you may as well be talking greek. You misunderestimate the benefit's of more better grammer...

    36. Re:Deserves Praise by FrootLoops · · Score: 1

      Well, essentially all TV is regurgitated, so complaining about Family Guy in particular is kind of unfair. Plot lines, characters, settings, relationships, tones--all of it gets reused, which is of course the basis for tvtropes.

      Family Guy, The Cleveland Show, American Dad are basically the same, and are very similar to The Simpsons, Bob's Burgers, and South Park
      Friends, Big Bang Theory, Seinfeld, Everybody Loves Raymond, The Nanny, Three's Company, ... ~= every other sitcom
      Colbert Report ~= The Daily Show
      Tosh.0 ~= The Soup
      The Talk ~= The View
      The Middle ~= Malcolm in the Middle
      Star Trek (every version) ~= other versions, other sci-fi (eg. compare Deep Space 9 and Babylon 5)
      Grey's Anatomy ~= ER, House
      Every late night show, game show, soap opera, and reality show ~= every other one

      The last line has some distinct categories, like high-stakes game shows vs. games of skill without much money; dating shows vs. dance shows vs. cupcake shows--yes that's a thing. But in any case, TV is only rarely even remotely original. I had trouble finding precedents for 30 Rock and Glee, though they're basically just crosses between two genres, namely sitcom/skit show and sitcom/reality-singing.

      So yeah, Family Guy can be called regurgitated pap, but that's a hardly unique criticism, and why are you watching TV if that's your only complaint?

    37. Re:Deserves Praise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Family Guy just rides off of the coattails of others. Everything in it is a "satire" of other shows, films or memes. I use the term satire very loosely because it seems like they rip off dialog verbatim, only with their cartoon character saying it.

      why are you watching TV if that's your only complaint

      I very rarely do.

    38. Re:Deserves Praise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      american dad! > the rest of his stuff

    39. Re:Deserves Praise by FrootLoops · · Score: 1

      Everything in it is a "satire" of other shows, films or memes

      That's just not true. It does have lots of references, but I think that's a strength and not a weakness. I'm curious how you would react to the Star Wars Family Guy episodes.

    40. Re:Deserves Praise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    41. Re:Deserves Praise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This crowd would never openly commend Seth without following it without attaching some asterisk unless he did a series of jokes attacking Apple, Obamacare, or Microsoft, or if he did a plot showing someone saving the day with Android. A pro Ayn Rand reference with earn Seth his own icon.

    42. Re:Deserves Praise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In that it mostly catches random tuna and only gets predators by accident?

    43. Re:Deserves Praise by Maritz · · Score: 1

      You must be a very insecure and shallow person to be able to hate another person over a television show. Enjoy your loneliness.

      Don't think he said that though. Have another go. ;)

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    44. Re:Deserves Praise by funfail · · Score: 1

      The more realistic characters often have strong moral centers--eg. Lois and usually Bryan (Family Guy)

      The mere fact that you count a talking dog among the more realistic characters says it all...

    45. Re:Deserves Praise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My opinion of MacFarlane went way up when I saw a broadcast of him singing showtunes a la Sinatra at the Albert Hall. He held his own against the UK's best professional singers. The guy is definitely talented. Search for "MacFarlane Albert Hall" on youtube.

    46. Re:Deserves Praise by FrootLoops · · Score: 2

      Well, he's so thoroughly anthropomorphized it's memorable whenever his dog-specific nature comes up--usually his age or expected death. He could become a human without any real changes. In fact a human version of him is shown briefly, I think in the multiverse episode (which is unrealistic because of Stewie's magic, not Brian), and they're basically identical except for looks and longevity. What about his personality itself is unrealistic?

    47. Re:Deserves Praise by RaceProUK · · Score: 1

      As far as I can tell, the shows have different (separate) writing teams, linked only by MacFarlane himself.

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    48. Re:Deserves Praise by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      You don't seem to realise what satire is, or how it works.

      Here's a small hint: you're not supposed to think of Peter Griffin as a fucking role model.

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    49. Re:Deserves Praise by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I bet you're a real hoot at parties.

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    50. Re:Deserves Praise by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      he's a guy with a deep sense of personal morals and an appreciation for intellectual pursuits - even if his work doesn't often promote such things

      On the contrary. Family guy satires the lack of morals and intelligence.

      Isn't that like saying Jackass satires stupidity and Hip-hop videos ridicule our materialistic/sexist society

      Yes it's like that almost exactly, apart from the fact that iit isn't

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    51. Re:Deserves Praise by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I stopped watching after the episode where Stewie was seriously hurt, and instead of getting him to a hospital they kept on trying to cover it up until the whole thing turned into a dead baby sick-and-twisted animation. I put up with the Conway Twitty and other overly-long jokes ridiculousness, but that whole episode was repugnant without being funny at all.

      You do realise that it's a cartoon and no real babies were hurt in the making of it?

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    52. Re:Deserves Praise by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Wow... you sure do put a lot of thought into how people around you want to do bad things to you, don't you?

      He can't hear you, his tinfoil hat's slipped over his ears and he now thinks Seth has made him go deaf through the power of mind control.

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    53. Re:Deserves Praise by tehcyder · · Score: 2

      An aside....does anyone (some of them are probably posting in here) know any young people that watch the show, love it, and get almost NONE of the references the jokes are making?

      My eight year old daughter probably misses most of the references, but she still loves it. Unlike some people posting here, she is well aware that it's a cartoon and doesn't keep saying "it's really stupid that a dog can talk or that the baby is so clever".

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    54. Re:Deserves Praise by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Then again, there's the outside possibility that the reason Family Guy and American Dad are so popular is simply that they are fucking hilarious.

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    55. Re:Deserves Praise by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      It's regurgitated pap that we've all heard a hundred times before from other sources. Watching Family Guy is like hanging out with that person who continually repeats the same life stories/drama every time you see them.

      As a matter of interest, what do you find entertaining, funny, or enlightening?

      Wrestling? Monster Truck racing? Hanna Montana?

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    56. Re:Deserves Praise by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I had trouble finding precedents for 30 Rock and Glee

      Yes there are very few shows involving comedy or singing on television.

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    57. Re:Deserves Praise by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Family Guy just rides off of the coattails of others. Everything in it is a "satire" of other shows, films or memes. I use the term satire very loosely because it seems like they rip off dialog verbatim, only with their cartoon character saying it.

      why are you watching TV if that's your only complaint

      I very rarely do.

      Yeah, but you are aware that there's an invention called television, and on this invention they show shows, right?

      Oh look, I shamelessly stole a quote and applied it to yours for comic/satiric effect. Imagine.

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    58. Re:Deserves Praise by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      you don't know the difference between 'then' and 'than'

      Seriously, I could care less. Their are a lot of rules regarding english and I don't care what people think, irregardless of any facts.

      You have a perfect right to be an ignorant arsehole and not care about what people think of you. You just can't subsequently whine because people think you are an ignorant arsehole and hate you.

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    59. Re:Deserves Praise by someSnarkyBastard · · Score: 1

      To borrow a quote from another geek favorite series: "I get it!"

      For those of you who didn't immediately think "Futurama" I offer the following: "Ohhh....now I get it!"

      Seriously though, clever reference, well done sir.

    60. Re:Deserves Praise by someSnarkyBastard · · Score: 1

      And you do realize that this show is made by Fox so several real babies were likely used as blood sacrifices in the making of it?

    61. Re:Deserves Praise by Raenex · · Score: 1

      No shit, Sherlock. That doesn't mean it can't be repugnant and not funny.

    62. Re:Deserves Praise by someSnarkyBastard · · Score: 1

      ...and they're basically identical except for looks and longevity.

      The ironic part is that the human version (presumably) dies at the end of the episode after being hit by a car.

    63. Re:Deserves Praise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just like to point out that American Dad is FAR superior to Family Guy.

      Old FG >>> AD >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> New FG (2007-8 onward)

    64. Re:Deserves Praise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My eight year old daughter probably misses most of the references, but she still loves it. Unlike some people posting here, she is well aware that it's a cartoon and doesn't keep saying "it's really stupid that a dog can talk or that the baby is so clever".

      Mine like the physical humor and sight gags.

      "Who wants chowder?" "BLEAAARGH"

    65. Re:Deserves Praise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Family Guy just rides off of the coattails of others. Everything in it is a "satire" of other shows, films or memes. I use the term satire very loosely because it seems like they rip off dialog verbatim, only with their cartoon character saying it.

      Ah, yes, I fondly remember that scene in Return of the Jedi: "Something something something Dark Side. Something something something complete."

    66. Re:Deserves Praise by FrootLoops · · Score: 1

      Well, I went on to say...

      though they're basically just crosses between two genres, namely sitcom/skit show and sitcom/reality-singing.

    67. Re:Deserves Praise by istartedi · · Score: 1

      American Dad doesn't have quite the same problems that FG does. Yeah, it's got some shock too; but it's not quite so gratuitous as FG, and there's some real humor mixed in. "hilarious" is subjective of course.

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  4. Win some, lose some by Lyrata · · Score: 0

    I personally think Family Guy is completely inane. The writing has done nothing but devolve since the first season, especially after the hiatus following season 2 (I think). At least something good came out of its mass appeal.

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    1. Re:Win some, lose some by squiggleslash · · Score: 2, Funny

      So you're saying he's a phony? A big fat phony?

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    2. Re:Win some, lose some by ackthpt · · Score: 0

      I personally think Family Guy is completely inane. The writing has done nothing but devolve since the first season, especially after the hiatus following season 2 (I think). At least something good came out of its mass appeal.

      I couldn't stand more than a few shows. A few good gags mired in a plethora of dumb ones. Makes Simpsons look downright cerebral. American Dad never worked for me, after watching it a few times. In reflection, it made Family Guy look better by comparison.

      I wonder if the LoC would be interested in the Seth MacFarlane papers, when he pops his clogs.

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    3. Re:Win some, lose some by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's because it is written by manatees now. I know a kid who tried to stop them before they offended someone but wasn't able to do it.

    4. Re:Win some, lose some by dkleinsc · · Score: 2

      No, I'm calling him a fizzle. And I'm getting away with it.

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    5. Re:Win some, lose some by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't look at any Family Guy episode as a sequential plot, with a beginning, middle and end. If you do that, you will continually be frustrated by a chaotic disintegration into pointlessness.

      The truth is that Family Guy (and this is true for all Seth MacFarlane spin-offs) is really just 30 minutes of stand-up comedy, set to animation, and it only just HAPPENS to have a cast of recurring characters. Mostly the animation, characters and plot are there, to give the comedy a seemingly cohesive packaging that, so that it seems like an actual television show, that can be pitched, sold, syndicated and advertised for mass appeal. On some level, if you still prefer to hate Seth MacFarlane, you could almost equate the animation gimmick he uses on his stand-up routines to Carrot Top's prop comedy or Jeff Dunham's stupid Peanut puppet. Even Jeff Foxworthy's "You Might be a Redneck" routine is analogous to Stewie's murderous hatred for his mother, Lois.

      But that's it. That's as far as it goes with MacFarlane's talent. Either way, he's managed to parlay it into an empire, through connections and co-opting other band wagons of success, like Adult Swim.

    6. Re:Win some, lose some by filthpickle · · Score: 1

      They just need better joke balls.

  5. Did they get any of his early poems? by physburn · · Score: 1

    Twinkle Twinkle ----whoops- Twankler Twunkler - oochs When he has told to write out mozert 500 times as a child

    1. Re:Did they get any of his early poems? by Teresita · · Score: 2

      Wheat thins. Whooeeat thins. Wheat thins...

    2. Re:Did they get any of his early poems? by mwvdlee · · Score: 1

      Mozert? Who told him to write out mozert 500 times and why?

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  6. should have been free? by Sebastopol · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is anyone else kinda ticked-off that this was even necessary?

    Why weren't they just donated by the estate to the LOC? Is there something else at play here, or just a greedy estate?

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    1. Re:should have been free? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you had something worth (just guessing) a couple of $100K would you just give it away?

    2. Re:should have been free? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you had something worth (just guessing) a couple of $100K would you just give it away?

      Actually, for the sake of humanity and science I would. Obviously MacFarlane feels the same way and that is why he gave away a couple $100K of his own money to free the papers.

    3. Re:should have been free? by janek78 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I am not so sure there is that much to be ticked-off by. Sagan's widow is quoted as saying that "...Sagan would have been thrilled to see his life’s work made available to the public." That does not sound like a greedy estate trying to get rich from selling stuff she inherited (not that there would be anything wrong with that). TFA is unclear on what the money went towards, I can imagine that transporting, sorting, filing and displaying the (large) collection is no easy feat and that the money is perhaps to be spent on that? Mrs. Druyan was not only Sagan's wife but also co-author, I don't see her as waiting for the highest bidder to auction off her inheritance.

    4. Re:should have been free? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nyah, the LoC should have just exercised its "Powerz of Socializm" and confiscated it from the widow. You know, "for the greater good".

    5. Re:should have been free? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you had something worth (just guessing) a couple of $100K would you just give it away?

      Actually, for the sake of humanity and science I would. Obviously MacFarlane feels the same way and that is why he gave away a couple $100K of his own money to free the papers.

      So that just proves the system works

    6. Re:should have been free? by crypticedge · · Score: 1

      Give away? Probably not. Put on loan and allow them to make copies for display (not redistribution)? Absolutely.

      Either way, MacFarlane has gained a lot of respect from the intellectual community for sure from this.

    7. Re:should have been free? by Sebastopol · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Good point: It didn't occur to me that collating and tabulating a lifetime's work isn't something an LOC employee is going to spend a year doing for free... although I assume the LOC has staff to do such things, maybe not. Plus I don't actually know the cost, thanks TFA.

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    8. Re:should have been free? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you want to see a greedy estate, take a gander at the descendants of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. King County, WA had to pay them to rename the county in his honor.

    9. Re:should have been free? by gandhi_2 · · Score: 1

      Sagan would have been thrilled

      And just think. SHE could have been the person that made that happen.

    10. Re:should have been free? by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 5, Insightful
      According to TFA:

      The papers — contained in more than 800 filing-cabinet drawers — include correspondence with other scientists, drafts of Sagan's academic articles and screenplay drafts for the movie "Contact," ... (emphasis mine)

      The cost of donating them might include sorting, collating and preparing the documents to actually be viewable and or some preservation. Often charitable recipients can't or don't want to handle this for private donations. Yes the LOC could probably pay for this, if they're allowed to, which I don't know if they are. (Imagine some idiot right-wing Congress critter, who doesn't believe the Universe exists, complaining about the LOC wasting the taxpayer's money, blah, blah, blah...)

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    11. Re:should have been free? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are a number of costs associated even with freely donated works. Transportation, storage, cataloguing / archiving.
      When you consider the already huge workload of the LOC and the tight budgets...

      Donations really help to fund small short-term teams of professionals to complete these projects.

    12. Re:should have been free? by ExploHD · · Score: 1

      So that just proves the system works

      And that, my friend, is an anecdotal fallacy.

    13. Re:should have been free? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      If you had something worth (just guessing) a couple of $100K would you just give it away?

      Actually, for the sake of humanity and science I would. Obviously MacFarlane feels the same way and that is why he gave away a couple $100K of his own money to free the papers.

      A couple of $100K is a lot if that's all you've got to live on for the rest of your life, chickenfeed if you've got a few hundred million in the bank.

      I don't know the financial status either of Sagan's estate or Seth McFarlane, I'm just saying everything is relative when it comes to money

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    14. Re:should have been free? by ffflala · · Score: 2

      At one of my old gigs, we received a donation of archival material from one person that we simply could not refuse. IIRC, it spanned about 90 shelf feet (small, in comparison to Sagan's archives), and it still took a full-time subject-expert archivist with two part-time assistants almost 3 years to process the material.

      Making an archive accessible is not simply a matter of moving boxes of papers around. Someone has to go through every last damn page, categorize it, catalog it, and (hopefully) digitize it. It gets more complicated and time-consuming if you're dealing with images instead of primarily text, and I'm guessing that Sagan's archives include quite a bit of image material.

  7. Also, he's the producer of the new Cosmos series by spinkham · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Yes, the "Cosmos for rednecks" gag was good, but isn't it also worth mentioning he's currently producing the next Cosmos with Neil deGrasse Tyson and Ann Druyan?

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  8. rednecks by Iniamyen · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Mountain Dew is the best soda ever made!!!

  9. Sagan FTW by Hognoxious · · Score: 2, Informative

    Sagan was awesome. He knew everything about the cosmos except how to pronounce it.

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  10. Re:Also, he's the producer of the new Cosmos serie by iluvcapra · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From Hollywood Reporter:

    “Never more than at this moment in the modern era have we needed a profound reminder of the colossally important and exciting role that science, space exploration and the human quest for knowledge must continue to play in our development as a species,” said MacFarlane.

    Quite a serious side to the man. Clearly, menstruation and holocaust jokes are just his day job.

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  11. Re:Also, he's the producer of the new Cosmos serie by Hatta · · Score: 3, Funny

    With Seth McFarlane voicing the quick witted effeminate alcoholic globular cluster.

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  12. Re:Also, he's the producer of the new Cosmos serie by dragon · · Score: 1

    Yes, the "Cosmos for rednecks" gag was good, but isn't it also worth mentioning he's currently producing the next Cosmos with Neil deGrasse Tyson and Ann Druyan?

    This could be so good.

  13. MacFarlane Devours Sagan's Books, Makes Amends by guttentag · · Score: 1, Troll
    From TFA:

    MacFarlane said he watched "Cosmos" as a child and devoured all of Sagan'sbooks.

    Coming from the creator of Peter Griffin, this could very well mean that he literally ingested the physical books, Cookie Monster-style, rendering them unavailable to the rest of the world for decades. "He covered the undisclosed costs of donating them to the library," may simply mean he paid to have the books surgically removed from his stomach, paid for a forensic team to piece them back together and will spend a few weeks in a hospital bed in pain, paying for his transgression.

    1. Re:MacFarlane Devours Sagan's Books, Makes Amends by Megane · · Score: 1

      ...are you sure they weren't just in a fold of fat, next to the Colecovision?

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  14. Impressed and Grateful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I've never been a big fan of MacFarlane, both the man and his work, but I have to say that I'm both impressed and grateful for his generosity in making the work of one of the most important figures in popular science publically available.

    It's truly commendable and shows great character. Not to mention he's producing the sequel to Cosmos... I'll have to reevaluate my stance on MacFarlane.

  15. excellent! by lymang · · Score: 1

    I think that Seth McFarlane is fascinating person. I'm still surprised when I listen to his album of standards that he'd even stop to take the time to do something like that. I think this is really excellent that he did this. I look forward to the new Cosmos project he's working on.

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  16. Easy to see why there is a cost associated with it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "The collection comprises approximately 800 boxes of materials that document Sagan’s life and work and includes his extensive correspondence with scientific colleagues and other important figures of the 20th century. It also includes book drafts, publications files, "idea files" on various subjects, records of various symposia, NASA files and academic files covering the years he taught at Cornell University. Among the personal files are his birth announcement, handwritten notebooks of his earliest thoughts and grammar-school report cards. In addition to manuscript materials, the collection includes photographs, audiotapes and videocassettes. Researchers and scholars will be able to use the collection once it has been fully processed by the Library’s archivists."

  17. Re:Also, he's the producer of the new Cosmos serie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cool, so the next Cosmos will be informative, but have a splash/references to Star Wars, Back to the Future, Indiana Jones, and Conway Twitty.

    I'm for it.

  18. Obligatory complaint about spelling/grammar by zill · · Score: 1

    ...a but of altruism...

    Slashdot editors, brain-dead, epsilon minus, etc.

    1. Re:Obligatory complaint about spelling/grammar by Steauengeglase · · Score: 1

      It was going to be "butt", but that would have involve a cut-away of Ayn Rand wrestling a polar bear.

  19. Good deed, but his history preceeds him by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 0

    I don't mind toilet humor, my problem is the pure meanness of much of his writing without even bothering with a punch line. I recall a gag about Penelope Cruz's nose (only an idiot would consider her anything less that beautiful) and a crack about Kristen Stewart being the ugly girl vampire and werewolf fought over. Family Guy at least, smacked of a show written by ridiculed drama club kids looking to lash out at their abusers once given a pulpit.

    He taints the Sagan's legacy as far as I'm concerned.

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    1. Re:Good deed, but his history preceeds him by Jake+S+Griffin · · Score: 0

      I find your comment to be rather shallow and pedantic.

    2. Re:Good deed, but his history preceeds him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Penelope Cruz didn't like her nose either, that is why she had plastic surgery before staring in Pirates of Caribbean. About the same time the episode came out.

    3. Re:Good deed, but his history preceeds him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      only an idiot would consider [Penelope Cruz] anything less that beautiful

      Only an idiot would suggest that a connect between intelligence and beauty standards could exist.

    4. Re:Good deed, but his history preceeds him by PeanutButterBreath · · Score: 1

      It insists on itself.

    5. Re:Good deed, but his history preceeds him by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

      you taint Sagan's legacy as far as I'm concerned.

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    6. Re:Good deed, but his history preceeds him by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I recall a gag about Penelope Cruz's nose (only an idiot would consider her anything less that beautiful) and a crack about Kristen Stewart being the ugly girl vampire and werewolf fought over.

      Penelope and GodfatherofSoul sitting in a tree.
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  20. There they are... by John+Guilt · · Score: 1

    ...that is, that's where those good old family values on which we might rely are, at least one place.

    Lucky there's a rationalist/secularist guy.

  21. Part of the collection? by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 1

    Power Macintosh 7100 with the code name BHA. (funny story, look it up)

  22. Re:Also, he's the producer of the new Cosmos serie by Ryanrule · · Score: 1

    Well, when you are on fox, you play to the execs who are in charge.

  23. No Obligatory LoC Joke? by Rotag_FU · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm shocked that I haven't seen a Library of Congress as unit of measurement joke yet. It is unfortunate that the cost of donating the materials to the Library of Congress was undisclosed because then we could have a conversion factor for money to LoCs.

    1. Re:No Obligatory LoC Joke? by ArsonSmith · · Score: 1

      All of Carl Sagan's work is just a fraction of one LoC.

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    2. Re:No Obligatory LoC Joke? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (LoC + Sagan) - LoC = Sagan

  24. Teehee! by Kirrilian · · Score: 1

    "but of altruism"
    ^^^ LOL'ed

  25. Billions And Billions by Ukab+the+Great · · Score: 1

    Of papers. If the sheer volume of papers were written in a microscopically tiny font and shrunk into the size of a typical supermarket tacky romance novel, the entire content of war and peace in an equivalent density and font would no bigger than a fortune cookie paper.

  26. Media Server/Smart Box/TV by nanospook · · Score: 1

    I am either using something like Netflix, or watching media I have in-house. I keep my in-house media on a NetStora server which is basically a hard drive in a standalone box which can be controlled via web or through a share. I have a wireless google tv sony blue ray player that runs an app that can read windows shares (and other types) and play the media. it can also play the subtitle file I can download (since I'm deaf). Except for this one subtitle feature, I don't necessarily recommend Google TV. Very stagnant and boring, not a fast changing environment that I thought it would be. One thing I do like is I can control the Google TV box with my android phone using a Sony app. I get my in-house content through bittorrent and use a VPN to keep out of trouble. It's not perfect but minimizes risk. Surprisingly I find myself watching netflix most of the time anyways.. :)

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    1. Re:Media Server/Smart Box/TV by nanospook · · Score: 1

      Just ignore my post, wrong article, day all fscked up!

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    2. Re:Media Server/Smart Box/TV by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Just ignore my post, wrong article, day all fscked up!

      I was half expecting it to turn into a MyCleanPC spam, such was the epic irrelevance of your post.

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  27. Well that's nothing new by NotSoHeavyD3 · · Score: 1

    I mean the first Cosmos did have some new age stuff in it. (You know, where Sagan plays a little drum. I forget why he was doing that though.)

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  28. Re:Also, he's the producer of the new Cosmos serie by obeythefist · · Score: 1

    From Hollywood Reporter:

    “Never more than at this moment in the modern era have we needed a profound reminder of the colossally important and exciting role that science, space exploration and the human quest for knowledge must continue to play in our development as a species,” said MacFarlane.

    Quite a serious side to the man. Clearly, menstruation and holocaust jokes are just his day job.

    Clearly McFarlane is just a bizarro human, opposite to all normal guys, who work really boring jobs in science, engineering etc, and are only free to make menstruation and holocaust jokes in their spare time.

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