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Comcast Pays $800,000 To U.S. For Hiding Stand-Alone Broadband

First time accepted submitter vu1986 writes "The Federal Communications Commission has settled with Comcast over charges that the cable company made it hard for consumers to find stand-alone broadband packages that don't cost an arm and leg. As part of the settlement Comcast paid the U.S. Treasury $800,000 and the FCC extended the length of time Comcast had to provide such a service."

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  1. but... by donaggie03 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Does Comcast have to make it any easier for customers to find the stand alone-packages? I don't see that requirement anywhere in the summary or article ..

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    1. Re:but... by girlintraining · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Does Comcast have to make it any easier for customers to find the stand alone-packages? I don't see that requirement anywhere in the summary or article ..

      It's a settlement. Basically the FCC and Comcast sat down and decided that it would be... cheaper... if they simply didn't use 2 point font to describe the alternatives than to put it through the legal system and an endless appeals process. If you're a conservative, it amounts to a government agency fleecing an innocent business to support their habit of taking businesses to court to enforce arbitrary standards. If you're a liberal, then it's a way of making a monopolistic business play well with others. And if you're politically agnostic, then it's a slow news day and this just confirms your belief that people are stupid and lazy.

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    2. Re:but... by girlintraining · · Score: 5, Funny

      Free-market conservative type of guy here. Just not a dumbass like the ones you conjure up.

      *facepalm* The SARCASM TYPE=DRIPPING html tag gets eaten by the editor.

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    3. Re:but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A reasonable conservative wants .. a reasonable amount of regulation.

      Unfortunately for you (and everyone else, actually), reasonable conservatives are a dying breed in many places. You're saying the sort of things that are frequently treated as outright heresy, at least among conservative politicians and media personalities held in esteem in certain parts of the United States. They are perfectly happy to have businesses rip us off in any way possible, under the make believe principle that the free market is a bag of magical fairy dust that can solve any problem that faces mankind. How appropriate or effective a market can be to a specific enterprise is entirely irrelevant, because there isn't any rational thought behind the belief. They literally believe that free market capitalism is Jesus Wizard Sauce that just needs to be slathered on.

      If you don't believe these things? More power to you. Don't go running for office anytime in a red state, though. Here in Texas, candidates for most offices only compete on how far to the right they can claim to be and how much they hate Obama (even if they are running for state and local offices and are unlikely to actually interact with him at all during the course of their term). Candidates go down in flames for uttering much less liberal blasphemy than what you've mentioned.

    4. Re:but... by Zebai · · Score: 3, Informative

      I wouldn't say it buried at all the package is there and is clearly labeled on the price list in the same font/size as the other packages. It might be on fine print on advertisements nobody ever said a company has to advertise every service they offer they could choose not to mention it at all. There is nothing you need to find just call and ask about them nobody will proactively offer you the cheaper packages but if you ask they will tell you.

    5. Re:but... by HapSlappy_2222 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Uh. Yeah, I do sincerely believe the original post was an interesting, informative, amusing and mildly sarcastic jab at how both conservatives and liberals would view the settlement, followed by a pointed reference to the politically neutral crowd seeing this story as a complete non-starter. Girlintraining came through loud and clear for me, sans tag.

    6. Re:but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      "nobody will proactively offer you the cheaper packages" -- _everyone_ does that if there's even a resemblance of competition on the market...

    7. Re:but... by Shivetya · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I found stand alone internet from Comcast via an installer advertising in Craigslist. He listed all the different packages and costs associated with each. It was far easier than navigating the Comcast site.

      What I do not care for with Comcast is the prices on the site, even after entering your zip code, are not necessarily the prices your local Comcast office will offer. An example, I wanted basic cable to go with my internet and phone from Comcast. Calling the number on my bill resulted in an offer for basic cable for 19.95. On the website it was 12.95. Even when presented with this information the person on the phone said that was not available in my area. I went to online chat with the Comcast site via a button they had there and had the basic service installed and added to my bill at 12.95

      Well at the beginning of this year Comcast raised ALL cable TV bills by five dollars. So my 12.95 went to 17.95 a month. I called, complained, and dropped the service. Come to find out the work they did to hook up TV in the first place means I still get basic service for free as it rides on my cable internet. When they called to sell me TV again I asked them about it and they replied that cable ready TV's cannot be blocked at this time.

      Some companies are just too uncoordinated to know what they do.... so I would not ascribe their making things difficult as a policy but the result of poor management.

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    8. Re:but... by techno-vampire · · Score: 2

      They are perfectly happy to have businesses rip us off in any way possible, under the make believe principle that the free market is a bag of magical fairy dust that can solve any problem that faces mankind.

      No, those aren't conservatives, they're Libertarians. Libertarians think that the marketplace is a panacea that can cure all of society's ills.

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    9. Re:but... by TapeCutter · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Unfortunately for you (and everyone else, actually), reasonable conservatives are a dying breed in many places

      From a non-american POV, Obama walks and talks like a "reasonable conservative".

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    10. Re:but... by C0R1D4N · · Score: 2

      So do I have a case against Wendy's? Everytime I go the drive-thru the prices for the combos are for small size. When I say I want a #2 they always respond "Medium or large?" implying there is no small size combo (like McDonalds, who have no small combos but the price listed is for mediums)

    11. Re:but... by usuallylost · · Score: 3, Informative

      Does Comcast have to make it any easier for customers to find the stand alone-packages? I don't see that requirement anywhere in the summary or article ..

      Yes, It is in one of the paragraphs toward the end of the article.

      "Comcast didn’t admit fault as part of the settlement, but it did lay out some cash and pledge to make its cheaper stand-alone service more visible. It will train its call agents, make sure the offering is visible on its web site and it committed to a major marketing campaign around the Performance Started service for 2013."

    12. Re:but... by AngryDeuce · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There is no true 'left' in American politics anymore; there's the Democrats at the center, the Republicans on the right, with a few far-right groups like Libertarians thrown in for good measure.

    13. Re:but... by lorenlal · · Score: 4, Informative

      Woah there Johnny. Libertarians aren't "far-right." Libertarians are slightly more conservative anarchists. It's a different dimension on the graph than the left-right:liberal-conservative scale.

      And libertarians wouldn't be thrilled about this news bit either. Just more collusion and uselessness.

    14. Re:but... by evilRhino · · Score: 3, Informative

      No, because they didn't have an agreement with the Government to offer smaller combos when they bought out programming interest of 1/5 of the the OTA television stations.

    15. Re:but... by slimjim8094 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you're a conservative, it amounts to a government agency fleecing an innocent business to support their habit of taking businesses to court to enforce arbitrary standards.

      A reasonable conservative wants .. a reasonable amount of regulation. They don't want businesses regulated to a crazy and excessive degree. But they want business to be done openly and honestly too.

      Unfortunately, there don't seem to be that many "reasonable conservatives" left. It's a shame... there are two distinct political philosophies that need representing and can coexist, but today's GOP doesn't do a very good job of it. I'm almost a socialist, but I firmly believe that the free market does most things better - even electricity, if the market is properly set up.

      If today's GOP were really in favor of the free market, they'd see cap-and-trade as a reasonable way to hold people accountable for the externalities of pollution, and create an incentive to improve. But they're more interested in give-the-rich-guys-money-ism. It was pretty well understood in Reagan's time that trickle-down "economics" was a political sham with no basis in reality, but a lot of people seem to actually believe it nowadays...

      tl;dr - Republicans need to be like you describe, for the health of our nation. Unfortunately, they seem to be forcing those people out as RINOs if they don't also buy the line about gay marriage and so on.

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    16. Re:but... by slyrat · · Score: 2

      I wouldn't say it buried at all the package is there and is clearly labeled on the price list in the same font/size as the other packages. It might be on fine print on advertisements nobody ever said a company has to advertise every service they offer they could choose not to mention it at all. There is nothing you need to find just call and ask about them nobody will proactively offer you the cheaper packages but if you ask they will tell you.

      What is interesting about this is that I checked and some of the cable companies say that broadband only packages don't exist. They certainly don't like it when you do only broadband from everything I've seen.

    17. Re:but... by C_amiga_fan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The key word in your paragraph is "monopoly". Conservatives and libertarians have no problem with regulating a natural monopoly (water, electric) or government-granted monopoly (Comcast). As far as I am concerned the government should not only require Comcast advertise their Basic CATV and Naked-internet options, but also place a cap on how much they charge. (As is down with the electric monopoly.)

      Alternatively the state government could revoke the monopoly and open the state to any cable company that wishes to come. Bring some competition against Comcast.

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  2. Not just Comcast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    I had a bitch of a time with Time Warner trying to get them to give me broadband without the TV, phone, and other crap that's pointless to me. What's the point of making it such a pain in the ass? All it does is ensure that wherever I move next it sure as hell won't be somewhere serviced by TWC.

    1. Re:Not just Comcast by MachDelta · · Score: 5, Interesting

      My provider likes to call me every few months and ask if i'd like their telephone service. I keep having to explain to them that me and my girlfriend are in our late twenties, we don't have a landline and we don't want one and even if my cell phone exploded in my pocket tomorrow, i'd probably just use Skype.
      Honestly I'm getting tempted to start threatening to cancel the cable too. It's something i've wanted to do for a long time, but being Canadian my options for cable-cutting are quite a bit, uh, shallower. The girlfriend likes certain sports and the occasional fit of channel surfing too (also, she's not very patient with finicky bits of technology), which just makes things even more difficult. If they keep pushing me though, I might just be tempted. The sad part is, I know no matter where I go (and there are really only 3 options where I live) i'd have to deal with the same shit.

    2. Re:Not just Comcast by Alien+Being · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ask them "Do you offer a phone service that blocks assholes like you from calling?"

    3. Re:Not just Comcast by Cryacin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      To which they reply, if you buy my phone service *I* won't call you as long as you are stay subscribed!

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    4. Re:Not just Comcast by dubbreak · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The only times I get calls from Shaw is to offer free services.

      I haven't paid for cable for years now. I cancel cable then get offered 6 months free. 6 months run up, I cancel, in 1-2 weeks I get a call offering free cable. This most recent spat is 1 year of full cable (no hd.. but doesn't really matter as I rarely watch it).

      I also got my broadband upped to 50mbps for free (i.e. same price I was paying for "highspeed" which was something like 15mbps down). They may have finally got me on the internet though (I'm assuming the point is to get me to want to keep a service). The upwards bandwidth is finally higher than I had in the late 90s before they started capping upload speed and it has me hooked. I'll probably have to pay the extra $$ to keep the extra upwards bandwidth. No more ghetto uploading large files overnight (which really brought me back to dialup). Wish is was symmetric, but I don't want to pay what they'd charge for that.

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    5. Re:Not just Comcast by Raenex · · Score: 4, Informative

      My provider likes to call me every few months and ask if i'd like their telephone service. I keep having to explain to them [..]

      Have you tried telling them that you don't want marketing calls to your number?

      National Do Not Call List: Who Can Still Call You?:

      "If you do not want to be called by a telemarketer making an exempt call, you can ask to be put on the telemarketer's internal do not call list. Every Canadian telemarketer is required to maintain such a list and respect your wishes not to be called."

    6. Re:Not just Comcast by gmack · · Score: 2

      It's the CRTC that did that and not any agreement between the two of them. You are simply not allowed to offer a competing cable TV service in some areas and the incumbent operators have in several instances even complained about building wide shared satellite service to the CRTC. Of course there was a time they swapped regions but that was because Rogers screwed up so badly in Vancouver during the 90s that they scrambled to trade Vancouver for anywhere else. In case that was before your time, they added a bunch of new channels as a trial to everyone's system but if they didn't call to shut off the channels before the trial period was up they simply started billing for them. The result was people standing in line all the way down the block from their local Rogers office cable converters in hand waiting to shut off their cable entirely and the BC government scrambling to ban the practice known as "Negative Option Billing".

    7. Re:Not just Comcast by gmack · · Score: 2

      Here is the negative option billing scandal from 1995
      They did the swap in the year 2000 as you can read here. Telecom companies were only permitted to compete with cable a few years back but before that they were only able to using satelite dishes.

  3. Comcast rip offs by girlintraining · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Hmm. $800,000 fine. For a company that grossed 4.4 billion last year. If this was an individual making median income (47k USD), then this would be like fining them $0.09. That'll teach them!

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    1. Re:Comcast rip offs by Glarimore · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not only that, the money goes the treasury -- not the customers they've been ripping off.

    2. Re:Comcast rip offs by Comen · · Score: 5, Funny

      You can not fine them too much, or they will be so scared of fines and court battles, they will hold back and not hire people, you do not want that do you?

    3. Re:Comcast rip offs by jd · · Score: 2

      If you factor in that Comcast is likely to impact more people than any individual, it might be closer to a tenth of a cent fine.

      For something like this, I'd argue that fines should be proportional to impact per person per unit time. $800m would seem more reasonable, on that basis. The EU's fine on Microsoft was much closer to the figures corporations on that scale need to face before they'll pay much heed.

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    4. Re:Comcast rip offs by davester666 · · Score: 2

      But we'll all get a small reduction in our taxes...well, the tax increase won't be quite as high...

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    5. Re:Comcast rip offs by girlintraining · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You can not fine them too much, or they will be so scared of fines and court battles, they will hold back and not hire people, you do not want that do you?

      Corporations want to be people. They should pay like people then too.

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    6. Re:Comcast rip offs by guises · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's right, it's important that we let the Job Creators get away with anything. If we strike down all of that abusive regulation holding them back, surely they will come to our rescue.

      And tax cuts, let's not forget about those - if the Job Creators only have to pay a tiny amount in taxes then the middle class will have to shoulder the burden. But that's okay because with all of the jobs and money that the Job Creators will shower down upon us, there will be plenty with which to pay the taxes.

    7. Re:Comcast rip offs by interkin3tic · · Score: 2

      Well, maybe it will be used for improving bandwidth and ultimately do more for consumers than if the money was given directly to them.

      ...

      Ah, I crack myself up sometimes.

    8. Re:Comcast rip offs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      When's the last time your taxes been increased Mr. Lying Trough my Teeth?

  4. As an inhabitant of Chattanooga... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Comcast sucks. They've been making advertisements lately where they claim people go back to them or something. They even claim that according to PCWorld they have the nation's fastest broadband.

    Not hardly. Not when our local fiber provider can drop a gig to your house.

    Of course the wannabe libertarians screamed about public money and a monopoly abusing its power.

    Lying fuckers.

    1. Re:As an inhabitant of Chattanooga... by Skapare · · Score: 2

      Chattanooga does have gigabit fiber to the home. It's not dirt cheap, but if you are decently employed, and love the high speed, you might be willing to pay the $350/mo.

      EPB Fiber Optics

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  5. price no greater than $49.95 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    TFA says:

    price no greater than $49.95 for three years.

    Well shit. I have Comcast's cable internet service, without TV or anything else from them, and they're charging me around $70/mo.

    1. Re:price no greater than $49.95 by Lumpy · · Score: 2

      They did upgrade to fiber, just not fiber to your house. Fiber to the house is dumb as they dont have the bandwidth back at the OTN to give you more than what the RG6 coax can give you.

      Your speed limitation is the Executives being cheap not the technology.

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    2. Re:price no greater than $49.95 by mrchaotica · · Score: 2

      When I got Comcast a few months ago* the phone salesperson offered me 20Mbps for $29.99/month. When the bill came in, they charged $39.99. After fighting with them (and not paying the bill for 3 months), a Better Business Bureau complaint resulted in me getting the price I was offered (at least for the remainder of a year).

      * I HATE Comcast, but I had essentially no choice: neither alternative (Clear WiMax or AT&T DSL) could do better than <1Mbps in my area.

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  6. Go get 'em Government! by Howitzer86 · · Score: 2

    I spend $35 a month for stand-alone 12mbps. It's not great, but it's hardly an "arm or a leg". Maybe they're guilty of not advertising it, but I didn't know that was a crime.

    ... Just read it. They were ordered to advertise the service, and ordered to make it less than $49 in 2010. My costs could have been the result of Comcast half-fulfilling their requirements. But as much hate as there is for Comcast I wonder if such an overbearing micromanaging government is a good thing. Do we really need the government to save us from teh evil companies?

    1. Re:Go get 'em Government! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, we do with only 2 viable options in most of the US, if you're lucky, we can't count on market forces. Ultimately, it's either settle for whatever the ISPs want to give or force them to something about it. Having watched the prices rise and the connection speed not for over a decade, I definitely think we need more government as less isn't working.

    2. Re:Go get 'em Government! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The message I got from Comcast the last time that I consider(and discussed canceling cable outright was that if I were to do so, then the cost of my broadband service would go up. (cable ~$14-$15 for the bare minimum and broadband internet @ ~$55).

      I have no real leverage in my area - no legitimately competitive providers.

    3. Re:Go get 'em Government! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Do we really need the government to save us from teh evil companies?

      When you have monopolies or near-monopolies like these Internet companies seem to be in certain places, the government is the only power that can rein them in and keep them from buggering you up the ass. Since it appears that there is no meaningful competition for Internet service in many parts of the United States, the government stepping in to regulate these companies is an appropriate thing for them to do. Otherwise, these monopoly companies can provide crap service, hide options that they can provide because doing so will increase their profits, and you have no recourse whatsoever, because your only other option will then be to do without their service or product.

  7. Re:Perpetual teeth. by Penguinisto · · Score: 2

    Screw that - I'll believe the FCC has some teeth when they start revoking $MEGACORP company charters for doing $STUPIDSHIT

    Until then, DOJ v. Microsoft proved that no govenment agency has the balls nowadays to go up against a major corporation - no matter how bad they get.

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  8. Comcast was good for me by hawguy · · Score: 4, Informative

    I had no problem finding an internet only package with Comcast and I was quite happy with their service.

    I used Comcast for internet service for 3 years and it worked great. Consistent 15 mbit service, never hit any usage caps despite being a heavy Netflix user with no cable service (I used Comcast only for internet). Only one instance of downtime in 3 years, they had a truck there within 4 hours and re terminated the connection at the pole to get me back online (the tech said it was water damage - it had been rainy and exceptionally windy - many people lost power). I considered DSL, but the local Telco could only promise "up to" 1.5mbit of bandwidth and said that due to my CO distance it might be lower.

    Now I have AT&T U-Verse (my only option) and after 2 missed install appointment (no call for either one - they just didn't show), it's been ok, but there have been 2 outages in 3 months. One lasted around 10 minutes, the other was 60 minutes but it was the middle of the night.

    If I could use Comcast again, I would.

    1. Re:Comcast was good for me by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      If I could use Comcast again, I would.

      Bah. If I could get U-Verse, I would. There's fates worse than not being able to get comcast. Not being able to get anything wired faster than dialup, for example.

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    2. Re:Comcast was good for me by Comen · · Score: 2

      Let me just say this is very typical, I work for a big company that provides internet service, and it comes down to luck really, Any of these big ISP's can provide good service for a very long time with no issues, but if for some reason you have a hard to trace down issue that happens intermittently, the chances of you getting the attention it takes to solve that issue is not good. The bigger the company the smaller your problem is to them. If its something obvious that can be fixed quick you are ok, but if you have real issue, you can be waiting very long.

  9. I need to make a call. by Anachragnome · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I need to make a call.

    I just haven't figured out who I need to call--the FCC or Comcast.

    When I purchased this house new, it had existing cable hookups but had never had them activated. I called Comcast and asked to have internet service activated. No problem, except that lady I spoke to automatically added cable service in the price--$69.00 a month. When I corrected her and stated that I did not want cable she stated that it was the same price anyway, with or without cable service.

    So, in effect, the stand-alone internet service was never offered. In it's place, I was offered their bundle and was forced to pay a premium to have the cable access removed if I really desired to. Obviously, since the price was the same I now have both cable and internet service when all I wanted was the broadband.

  10. Wrong target for the fine by Alain+Williams · · Score: 3, Interesting

    More and more companies are being found to have behaved badly and are fined, just today Barclays is fined £290m. The company pays it and probably keeps going on other scams for which individuals earn large bonuses or commissions, nobody really suffers, the company just makes a little less profit that year.

    The only way of altering behaviour is to fine the individuals who are behind the scams. Only when these crooks start loosing their houses and pensions will they stop thieving. Their primary interest is themselves, not the company. Hit them where it matters to them - then, and only then, might the regulators truly find their teeth.

    1. Re:Wrong target for the fine by usuallylost · · Score: 2

      Who are you going to fine? The manager that signed off on something his bosses probably decided and delegated to him to enact? The president of the company? Maybe the union? It can be hard to find out where a decision came from when you work within a corporation. It is even harder from outside of it.

      I would argue that the problem is the fines don't fit the crime. In these business cases you always hear the same scenario. Company A does some slimy, and illegal, thing and makes 100 million dollars in profit from it. They get caught and end up paying a fine of say $2 million and has to promise not to do it again. Which leaves them $98 in profit. Now with that kind of punishment scheme is it any surprise that the companies break the law at will? If you could break the law make a fortune and your punishment was to pay 2% of your profits and promise not to do it again how much would you worry about the law? If you want to take make them take this seriously the fine should be calculated in a way to take into account what they made from the crime. So instead of $2 million in my example the fine would be the $100 million in illegally obtained profits plus $2 million. I suspect under such a scheme where they know that they would lose all their profits on such scheme plus some of the money from their other operations they'd take it a bit more seriously.

  11. Why make them available at all? by ClippyHater · · Score: 2

    If comcast doesn't want consumers to know about the alternate packages, why make them available at all? Granite State Communications (local telco here in NH) has NO standalone internet package--if you want internet, you HAVE to have their phone.

    1. Re:Why make them available at all? by Lumpy · · Score: 2

      Because there is a law that states they cant require other services to be bundled. Granite State Communications is breaking the law by requiring a phone line. They are banking on that you wont complain to the FCC About it because you are not educated in the law to know this.

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  12. They now need to go after Verizon. by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Verizon recently sent out letters claiming that you cant have un-bundled DSL anymore and demanded I call and change my service to something that has a phone line. I refused and I still only have DSL and no phone line. I still get calls claiming that I have to convert from them.

    This is illegal, yet the FCC is not jumping on them or Frontier for pulling pretty much the exact same stunt. I am all for forcing companies to comply, but apply it across the board evenly. And no I'm not a Comcast fanboi, I worked there, I know how evil they are. But I dont like single sided enforcement.

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  13. Not their only scam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Even if Comcast does offer you reasonable broadband only service, they still try to get you another way. I just moved a few months back and decided to skip out on the TV service for now but I needed the broadband service for when I work from home. I went to their website about 2 weeks prior to my move to sign up for service. I was able to sign up and they made me prepay my first month's bill. During the process, the website said it was unable to select an installation appointment for me so I needed to call a number to setup the time.

    This is where the fun begins, I call and get passed around to three different people who each tell me the scheduling software must not be working because they are not able to see ANY installation dates. They tell me it might be a problem with the system and to call back in another hour or two. No big deal I think, I have plenty of time before I move. So I call back at night and sure enough, I get the same results. I get transferred a few times and they all say they can not see any future installation dates for me. The last person tells me to call back at 6AM EST since that is the time they are supposed to load new installation availability times. I figured this is BS but whatever. Lets just say, I try calling 2-3 times each day for the next 3 days and each time get the same crappy response. Finally, one night I have lost it and the person on the phone suggests I just pick up a self installation kit. I am fine with this but since I was moving into a new construction house, I figured this would not work.

    So the day I move in, I pick up the self install kit and sure enough, even after they said the line had been pulled and activated, no signal. Sigh, so I now get to call tech support to setup a visit and surprise surprise they tell me no dates are showing up for a tech to come. I am pissed at this point since I am actually already paying for service. I call back again that night in hopes of getting a better response and I finally get someone who is helpful and sheds a potential light onto my problems. He too had trouble finding a date but he was able to force one in by changing the type of service I had with them. Evidently, one of the key pieces of data used for determining when a installer or tech could come out is based on the amount of service you have. So if I only had broadband, that is worth lets say 5 points. If I had broadband and TV it might be worth 12. He said their is a min number of points required for installation and tech work and since my broadband only service was not high enough, it would appear to the people on the phone that no appointment times for available.

    While the last person on the phone could have been just making up something, it is kind of odd that the other 15-20 people I had talked with over the past 2 weeks could not help. Sound like to me, this is just another method for Comcast to "force" people into buying more services than they really need.

    I am sure people will just say, why don't you just get service from someone else? That is the problem with where I am. Comcast is the ONLY high speed internet provider available (no DSL or FIOS).

  14. Comcast via Earthlink by Tony+Isaac · · Score: 2

    I was a Comcast customer for a couple of years, when Earthlink sent me a promotion to switch to their cable Internet service. Turns out it's still Comcast, just resold by Earthlink. The price is lower, and they didn't charge me an extra fee for not having Cable TV! Their price has never changed, unlike Comcast's prices, which keep going up. I even pay my bills to Comcast and get repairs by Comcast employees, the only difference is that my router's default domain name is earthlink.net! I've decided that going with a reseller like this is a great idea.