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Comcast Pays $800,000 To U.S. For Hiding Stand-Alone Broadband

First time accepted submitter vu1986 writes "The Federal Communications Commission has settled with Comcast over charges that the cable company made it hard for consumers to find stand-alone broadband packages that don't cost an arm and leg. As part of the settlement Comcast paid the U.S. Treasury $800,000 and the FCC extended the length of time Comcast had to provide such a service."

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  1. but... by donaggie03 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Does Comcast have to make it any easier for customers to find the stand alone-packages? I don't see that requirement anywhere in the summary or article ..

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    1. Re:but... by girlintraining · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Does Comcast have to make it any easier for customers to find the stand alone-packages? I don't see that requirement anywhere in the summary or article ..

      It's a settlement. Basically the FCC and Comcast sat down and decided that it would be... cheaper... if they simply didn't use 2 point font to describe the alternatives than to put it through the legal system and an endless appeals process. If you're a conservative, it amounts to a government agency fleecing an innocent business to support their habit of taking businesses to court to enforce arbitrary standards. If you're a liberal, then it's a way of making a monopolistic business play well with others. And if you're politically agnostic, then it's a slow news day and this just confirms your belief that people are stupid and lazy.

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    2. Re:but... by girlintraining · · Score: 5, Funny

      Free-market conservative type of guy here. Just not a dumbass like the ones you conjure up.

      *facepalm* The SARCASM TYPE=DRIPPING html tag gets eaten by the editor.

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    3. Re:but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A reasonable conservative wants .. a reasonable amount of regulation.

      Unfortunately for you (and everyone else, actually), reasonable conservatives are a dying breed in many places. You're saying the sort of things that are frequently treated as outright heresy, at least among conservative politicians and media personalities held in esteem in certain parts of the United States. They are perfectly happy to have businesses rip us off in any way possible, under the make believe principle that the free market is a bag of magical fairy dust that can solve any problem that faces mankind. How appropriate or effective a market can be to a specific enterprise is entirely irrelevant, because there isn't any rational thought behind the belief. They literally believe that free market capitalism is Jesus Wizard Sauce that just needs to be slathered on.

      If you don't believe these things? More power to you. Don't go running for office anytime in a red state, though. Here in Texas, candidates for most offices only compete on how far to the right they can claim to be and how much they hate Obama (even if they are running for state and local offices and are unlikely to actually interact with him at all during the course of their term). Candidates go down in flames for uttering much less liberal blasphemy than what you've mentioned.

    4. Re:but... by HapSlappy_2222 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Uh. Yeah, I do sincerely believe the original post was an interesting, informative, amusing and mildly sarcastic jab at how both conservatives and liberals would view the settlement, followed by a pointed reference to the politically neutral crowd seeing this story as a complete non-starter. Girlintraining came through loud and clear for me, sans tag.

    5. Re:but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      "nobody will proactively offer you the cheaper packages" -- _everyone_ does that if there's even a resemblance of competition on the market...

    6. Re:but... by TapeCutter · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Unfortunately for you (and everyone else, actually), reasonable conservatives are a dying breed in many places

      From a non-american POV, Obama walks and talks like a "reasonable conservative".

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    7. Re:but... by AngryDeuce · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There is no true 'left' in American politics anymore; there's the Democrats at the center, the Republicans on the right, with a few far-right groups like Libertarians thrown in for good measure.

    8. Re:but... by lorenlal · · Score: 4, Informative

      Woah there Johnny. Libertarians aren't "far-right." Libertarians are slightly more conservative anarchists. It's a different dimension on the graph than the left-right:liberal-conservative scale.

      And libertarians wouldn't be thrilled about this news bit either. Just more collusion and uselessness.

    9. Re:but... by slimjim8094 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you're a conservative, it amounts to a government agency fleecing an innocent business to support their habit of taking businesses to court to enforce arbitrary standards.

      A reasonable conservative wants .. a reasonable amount of regulation. They don't want businesses regulated to a crazy and excessive degree. But they want business to be done openly and honestly too.

      Unfortunately, there don't seem to be that many "reasonable conservatives" left. It's a shame... there are two distinct political philosophies that need representing and can coexist, but today's GOP doesn't do a very good job of it. I'm almost a socialist, but I firmly believe that the free market does most things better - even electricity, if the market is properly set up.

      If today's GOP were really in favor of the free market, they'd see cap-and-trade as a reasonable way to hold people accountable for the externalities of pollution, and create an incentive to improve. But they're more interested in give-the-rich-guys-money-ism. It was pretty well understood in Reagan's time that trickle-down "economics" was a political sham with no basis in reality, but a lot of people seem to actually believe it nowadays...

      tl;dr - Republicans need to be like you describe, for the health of our nation. Unfortunately, they seem to be forcing those people out as RINOs if they don't also buy the line about gay marriage and so on.

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    10. Re:but... by C_amiga_fan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The key word in your paragraph is "monopoly". Conservatives and libertarians have no problem with regulating a natural monopoly (water, electric) or government-granted monopoly (Comcast). As far as I am concerned the government should not only require Comcast advertise their Basic CATV and Naked-internet options, but also place a cap on how much they charge. (As is down with the electric monopoly.)

      Alternatively the state government could revoke the monopoly and open the state to any cable company that wishes to come. Bring some competition against Comcast.

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  2. Comcast rip offs by girlintraining · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Hmm. $800,000 fine. For a company that grossed 4.4 billion last year. If this was an individual making median income (47k USD), then this would be like fining them $0.09. That'll teach them!

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    1. Re:Comcast rip offs by Glarimore · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not only that, the money goes the treasury -- not the customers they've been ripping off.

    2. Re:Comcast rip offs by Comen · · Score: 5, Funny

      You can not fine them too much, or they will be so scared of fines and court battles, they will hold back and not hire people, you do not want that do you?

    3. Re:Comcast rip offs by guises · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's right, it's important that we let the Job Creators get away with anything. If we strike down all of that abusive regulation holding them back, surely they will come to our rescue.

      And tax cuts, let's not forget about those - if the Job Creators only have to pay a tiny amount in taxes then the middle class will have to shoulder the burden. But that's okay because with all of the jobs and money that the Job Creators will shower down upon us, there will be plenty with which to pay the taxes.

  3. Re:Not just Comcast by MachDelta · · Score: 5, Interesting

    My provider likes to call me every few months and ask if i'd like their telephone service. I keep having to explain to them that me and my girlfriend are in our late twenties, we don't have a landline and we don't want one and even if my cell phone exploded in my pocket tomorrow, i'd probably just use Skype.
    Honestly I'm getting tempted to start threatening to cancel the cable too. It's something i've wanted to do for a long time, but being Canadian my options for cable-cutting are quite a bit, uh, shallower. The girlfriend likes certain sports and the occasional fit of channel surfing too (also, she's not very patient with finicky bits of technology), which just makes things even more difficult. If they keep pushing me though, I might just be tempted. The sad part is, I know no matter where I go (and there are really only 3 options where I live) i'd have to deal with the same shit.

  4. Re:Go get 'em Government! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yes, we do with only 2 viable options in most of the US, if you're lucky, we can't count on market forces. Ultimately, it's either settle for whatever the ISPs want to give or force them to something about it. Having watched the prices rise and the connection speed not for over a decade, I definitely think we need more government as less isn't working.

  5. Comcast was good for me by hawguy · · Score: 4, Informative

    I had no problem finding an internet only package with Comcast and I was quite happy with their service.

    I used Comcast for internet service for 3 years and it worked great. Consistent 15 mbit service, never hit any usage caps despite being a heavy Netflix user with no cable service (I used Comcast only for internet). Only one instance of downtime in 3 years, they had a truck there within 4 hours and re terminated the connection at the pole to get me back online (the tech said it was water damage - it had been rainy and exceptionally windy - many people lost power). I considered DSL, but the local Telco could only promise "up to" 1.5mbit of bandwidth and said that due to my CO distance it might be lower.

    Now I have AT&T U-Verse (my only option) and after 2 missed install appointment (no call for either one - they just didn't show), it's been ok, but there have been 2 outages in 3 months. One lasted around 10 minutes, the other was 60 minutes but it was the middle of the night.

    If I could use Comcast again, I would.

  6. Re:Not just Comcast by Alien+Being · · Score: 5, Funny

    Ask them "Do you offer a phone service that blocks assholes like you from calling?"

  7. Re:Not just Comcast by Cryacin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    To which they reply, if you buy my phone service *I* won't call you as long as you are stay subscribed!

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  8. I need to make a call. by Anachragnome · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I need to make a call.

    I just haven't figured out who I need to call--the FCC or Comcast.

    When I purchased this house new, it had existing cable hookups but had never had them activated. I called Comcast and asked to have internet service activated. No problem, except that lady I spoke to automatically added cable service in the price--$69.00 a month. When I corrected her and stated that I did not want cable she stated that it was the same price anyway, with or without cable service.

    So, in effect, the stand-alone internet service was never offered. In it's place, I was offered their bundle and was forced to pay a premium to have the cable access removed if I really desired to. Obviously, since the price was the same I now have both cable and internet service when all I wanted was the broadband.

  9. Re:Not just Comcast by Raenex · · Score: 4, Informative

    My provider likes to call me every few months and ask if i'd like their telephone service. I keep having to explain to them [..]

    Have you tried telling them that you don't want marketing calls to your number?

    National Do Not Call List: Who Can Still Call You?:

    "If you do not want to be called by a telemarketer making an exempt call, you can ask to be put on the telemarketer's internal do not call list. Every Canadian telemarketer is required to maintain such a list and respect your wishes not to be called."

  10. They now need to go after Verizon. by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Verizon recently sent out letters claiming that you cant have un-bundled DSL anymore and demanded I call and change my service to something that has a phone line. I refused and I still only have DSL and no phone line. I still get calls claiming that I have to convert from them.

    This is illegal, yet the FCC is not jumping on them or Frontier for pulling pretty much the exact same stunt. I am all for forcing companies to comply, but apply it across the board evenly. And no I'm not a Comcast fanboi, I worked there, I know how evil they are. But I dont like single sided enforcement.

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