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On the iPhone and Apple's Meteoric Rise To the Top

zacharye writes "Friday marks five years since the world first got its hands on a smartphone that would turn the industry on its head. In five short years, Apple went from the ground floor to being the most profitable company in the smartphone business by a staggering margin. Apple and Samsung — two companies that weren't even on the smartphone industry's map a few years ago — are now the only two major global vendors making money, and the split was estimated at 80/20 in Apple's favor last quarter. That's 80% of smartphone industry profits in less than five years with just five different smartphone models under its belt during that span."

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  1. Sports Announcer Voice. by masternerdguy · · Score: 5, Funny

    Alright gentlemen we have a fine flame war in store for you tonight.

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    1. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by TankSpanker04 · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'll start: Steve Jobs is God

      Your move.

    2. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by the_humeister · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You're thinking of Eric Clapton.

    3. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by ColdWetDog · · Score: 5, Funny

      Who's got the weenies?

      All the Apple Fanbois, they are the weenies.

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    4. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by ColdWetDog · · Score: 3, Funny

      Two cellphone manufacturers enter!

      One cellphone leaves!

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    5. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by Kenja · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'll start: Steve Jobs is God

      Then God is dead?

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    6. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by blackraven14250 · · Score: 2

      ....and no one cares?

    7. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by Gr8Apes · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Two cellphone manufacturers enter!

      RIM takes one on the chin, and is down for the count!

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    8. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by Mordok-DestroyerOfWo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Would Nietzsche have been an Apple user?

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    9. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by MightyMartian · · Score: 2

      More like "RIM takes on on the chin, and is down for the count, and doctors are confirming, RIM is dead. Oh the humanity! Will anyone buy RIM's boxing shorts?"

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    10. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by narcc · · Score: 4, Interesting

      RIM is in MUCH better shape than Apple was at their low. They have a brilliant new OS, solid top-of-the-line hardware, and are still the only viable option where mobile security is important.

      Sony has posted how many quarterly losses lately?

      The last quarter was their first loss since the idiotic "RIM is dead" meme started (oddly enough, when they were still the #1 smartphone vendor). Their user-base is still growing rapidly. RIM is about as far from dead as you can get.

    11. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by Old97 · · Score: 4, Funny

      OMG! A RIM Evangelical. I heard you all moved to Indonesia.

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    12. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by CanHasDIY · · Score: 5, Funny

      Wow, a Blackberry fanboi?? I thought they were extinct!!!

      Quick, someone call the Smithsonian before this specimen gets away!

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    13. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by sconeu · · Score: 2

      Who cares what doctors say! I'm waiting for Netcraft to confirm it!!!

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    14. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 2

      Would Nietzsche have been an Apple user?

      Is that you, Socrates?

    15. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by Solandri · · Score: 3, Funny

      Couple oldies but goodies:

      How the different phone users see each other

      And I'll go ahead and take a side in this battle....

    16. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by painandgreed · · Score: 3, Funny

      You're thinking of Eric Clapton.

      I was thinking more of Eric Cartman.

    17. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by bitt3n · · Score: 3, Funny

      Would Nietzsche have been an Apple user?

      Man and iMan

    18. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by sootman · · Score: 2

      > RIM is about as far from dead as you can get.

      Wow.

      I just pasted the URL of your comment into an Outlook reminder. We'll revisit this statement in one year.

      I don't know what metric you're using--market cap? cash in the bank?--but Apple in 1997 was near death because they were slowly going from tiny to very tiny. RIM, at the moment, is in a total nosedive. Different velocities = different results. I also don't know what you mean by "the #1 smartphone vendor"--maybe they had the most units out there at some moment last year, but Apple has had great sales--and, more importantly, HUGE profits--for quite a while. Meanwhile there's just one story after another about how badly RIM is doing right now. As someone pointed out today, "Since release of iPhone 5 years ago, market caps of companies most affected: $AAPL +376%; $GOOG +9%; $RIMM -85%; $NOK -89%"

      Oh, and that brilliant new OS? You'll see it Q1/2013 at the earliest.

      I agree that there is a market (smaller than all of consumerdom, but not negligible) of people who want the security that BB offers, but I don't know if RIM will continue to be the company that offers it. Besides, the people that need security the most can roll their own--they always have--if there's not a vendor handy to supply it.

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    19. Re:Sports Announcer Voice. by Maxx169 · · Score: 2

      We have killed him—-you and I. All of us are his murderers. But how did we do this? How could we drink up the reality distortion field? Who gave us the sponge to wipe away general purpose computing? What were we doing when we chained our phones to fucking iTunes? Jobs is dead. Jobs remains dead. And we have killed him.

  2. No surprise. by cpu6502 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Steve Jobs and his team made a damn fine piece of technology: A screen large enough for web-surfing & an easy-to-use touch interface. Plus people were already thrilled with the best-selling iPod, so stepping up to an iPhone was a natural next step.

    In other news: I was just reading this morning that phone sales are down for everyone (except Apple apparently). Overall retail sales in the EU have dropped 7%. Sounds like we're headed for great recession part 2. :-|

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    1. Re:No surprise. by geekoid · · Score: 4, Informative

      "Steve Jobs and his team made a damn fine piece of technology"
      Copied. they Copied it from the LG Prada.

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    2. Re:No surprise. by cpu6502 · · Score: 2

      Since the LG Prada was announced December 2006, and the iPhone was shown by Steve just three weeks later, it seems unlikely they copied. It was parallel development like how both Elisha Grey and Bell developed the phone in parallel.

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    3. Re:No surprise. by Belial6 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Enough alike that I doubt an IP lawyer could tell the difference from across a courtroom.

    4. Re:No surprise. by Guspaz · · Score: 5, Informative

      People forget this now, but the iPhone did not support apps when it launched. Jobs didn't want third-party code on the iPhone, and tried to assuage the demand with web-based APIs for accessing phone hardware. App support was only added over a year later with iOS 2, coinciding with the launch of the iPhone 3G, as Apple and Jobs conceded to the inevitable.

    5. Re:No surprise. by Americano · · Score: 2

      And I bet Apple has functional test models that look pretty startlingly like the finished iPhone that predate September 2006. If there was any merit to the "they copied it" thing, LG would have already put Apple through the wringer in court, and they would have won.

    6. Re:No surprise. by Tough+Love · · Score: 4, Funny

      So are you saying that you believe that Steve Jobs' exceptionally strong moral and ethical compass put him way above engaging in a bit of industrial spying?

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    7. Re:No surprise. by oxdas · · Score: 3

      Indeed, both companies (and many more) had been moving in the same direction in their designs for years (evidenced by community designs and design patents in the preceeding few years). The iPhone and the LG prada were the natural progression (evolution) of phones, neither one revolutionary in their appearance or function.

    8. Re:No surprise. by KingMotley · · Score: 2

      Except the development of the iPhone started nearly 3 years before LG announced the Prada, and the iPhone was announced less than a month after the Prada.

      If the iPhone was truly copied from the Prada, you can bet that LG would have filed a lawsuit and be rolling in the money. Even they realize that it wasn't, and they have a lot more to lose than a poster on /.

    9. Re:No surprise. by NatasRevol · · Score: 2

      You're wrong. I had one too. That was the big deal about the WWDC after the first iPhone. Jobs was still trying to sell web apps as the only model.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_(original)#Software

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    10. Re:No surprise. by Pieroxy · · Score: 2

      Enough alike that I doubt an IP lawyer could tell the difference from across a courtroom.

      Which proves nothing but the utter stupidity of said lawyer.

    11. Re:No surprise. by Guspaz · · Score: 2

      I'm definitely not mistaken. The app store and the ability to install third-party apps was only added in iOS 2. It was a controversial decision at the time, and a lot of noise was made in the press, with some claiming the iPhone wasn't a smartphone without third party app support. The Isaacson biography of Jobs goes deeper into this; even after the launch of the iPhone, Jobs resisted adding third-party app support, and only did so grudgingly.

      A simple google search should verify this for you. For example, a simple search turns up this Macworld article from a few days ago that has some discussion on the original lack of third party app support:

      http://www.macworld.com/article/1164706/the_iphone_five_years_later_.html

      Or this article that covers the launch of the app-store and third party apps fourteen months after the iPhone launched:

      http://www.macworld.com/article/1132402/appstore.html

    12. Re:No surprise. by gnasher719 · · Score: 2

      Jobs didn't want third-party code on the iPhone,

      More like: Apple didn't have an SDK that was in good enough shape to hand it out to third-party developers.

    13. Re:No surprise. by quacking+duck · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The iPhone and the LG prada were the natural progression (evolution) of phones, neither one revolutionary in their appearance or function.

      Natural progression of phone *hardware* and basic appearance.

      But in the "function" department, the iPhone simply blew the Prada away.

      Watch a video review of the Prada. It still used T9 input. It had tiny scroll bars that the reviewer could barely get to work. The appsIt was basically a candybar phone interface with touchscreen over where the physical buttons would be. The browser was so bad the only reviews I found that mentioned it at all, said it was terrible.

      In short, the only reason the Prada is remembered at all is because they got a full-size cap-touchscreen phone out first (announcement by 1 month; actual release by 2 or 3).

    14. Re:No surprise. by dragonjujotu · · Score: 2

      Whoosh...

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    15. Re:No surprise. by Grudge2012 · · Score: 2

      Hmmm. Let's test that statement. Can you tell me which part of the Prada they copied? Because frankly, those two phones had nothing to do with one another.

      Yeah, they copied a phone that was first presented after the iPhone. "But LG leaked images 3 weeks before the iPhone announcement", you will reply. Sure, and from those images Apple created actual working phones just in time for the keynote event. Imagine if LG had leaked those photos a week before, then Apple would sure have had the time to add the slider keyboard of the Prada.

    16. Re:No surprise. by MtViewGuy · · Score: 2

      The iPhone was the first cellphone that included a touchscreen interface that is actually viable and useful--interestingly, an outgrowth of all that research into a tablet computer (it's been said the tablet computer development that resulted in the iPad came before the iPhone, but when engineers realized the interface they ended up with on the iPad was very adaptable to a small touchscreen cellphone, the result was a cellphone that totally changed the cellphone industry).

      What makes the iPhone even more important is the fact that for the first time, control of updates was no longer dependent on approval of the cellphone carrier--Apple now provided the updates, and the user can select what to update. This is why I am holding out until the next-generation iPhone arrives this September, in spite of the very attractive Samsung Galaxy SIII available now.

  3. five models by blackraven14250 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    with just five different smartphone models under its belt during that span."

    That's a significant part of the reason for it, right there.

    1. Re:five models by rtfa-troll · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Right; 100%. With an iPhone there is a dead simple choice; I'm rich / prioritize this - take the latest model, pay a reasonable amount. Poor / sensible - take the older one still on sale. All of them are still delivering a platform on which most of the features ("apps") will work except where tied to some very specific new feature (e.g. siri to voice recognition). If you want to see how much other phone companies don't get this, look only at the wannabe competitors who are releasing new phones unable to run skype where previous models have been able to. Even Android is barely succeeding at getting this even with Google continually and determinedly pushing it.

      The real truth is that the brilliance of Apple was in sacrificing market share for the ability to make decisions independent of the mobile operators. This meant that there was only one company (Apple its self) putting it's own interests above the consumers and even that company is pretty much aware of the danger and so only does it "tastefully".

      This is what Microsoft is fighting for with Skype - the ability to bypass the mobile operators and make them irrelevant. I don't think they will succeed, but once the mobile operators realise the risk I think it will make Apple and Google's bargaining power much larger.

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    2. Re:five models by swb · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's a huge reason. The model simplicity (which is probably closer to 2 models when you factor in that the 3 models and 4 models share the basic case/form factor) is a huge win for consumers because it makes it easier for Apple to continue to support them with iOS updates AND for consumers to own them because they need to buy fewer accessories (my ProClip car holder still works with my 4s as it did with my 3gs).

      It's also simpler for consumers to wrap their mind around -- I wouldn't know what fucking Android phone to buy if you put a gun to my head. There's too many and too many from even one maker, and they seem (at least from the marketing background noise) to come out with new ones continuously.

    3. Re:five models by blackraven14250 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      They do have far too many models, and there's a new flagship every 4-6 months at most manufacturers. Those flagships are completely different on each carrier, too.

      On one hand, it promotes competition - Android phone specs are improving at a far better rate than the iPhone line. On the other, it makes the marketplace a total clusterfuck, so consumers have no idea what they're getting.

      One is an extreme singular focus, the other is an extremely competitive marketplace. If anything, this is a good case study of those extremes that can likely be applied to other industries as well. Too much high profile competition clouds the market, while too little ends up removing freedom in the name of centralization.

  4. Meteoric? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Wouldn't that mean it came hurling down to earth and usually burned to nothing in the atmosphere?

  5. Stop Saying "Meteoric"!! by erroneus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "Meteoric" brings to mind "meteor" which is something that falls down very fast and tends to burn up in the sky. (Yeah, I get that "meteor" as in "meteorology" and the notion that meteors are "fast"... it's the other properties of the word that I find horribly misplaced.)

    Sorry, but it seems "meteoric rise" has been used a lot lately and it's almost as if people are being tested to see how stupid they are.

    1. Re:Stop Saying "Meteoric"!! by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Sorry, but it seems "meteoric rise" has been used a lot lately and it's almost as if people are being tested to see how stupid they are.

      Actually, it's a test of how quickly some people jump to erroneous conclusions without bothering to check if there is a reasonable explanation they simply don't know about. We could call it the "true knowledge test for males between the ages of 15 and 30".

      The phrase "meteoric rise" has been in use at least since 1865 - and, given the context, it makes perfect sense.

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    2. Re:Stop Saying "Meteoric"!! by Moridineas · · Score: 2

      The word meteor comes to us from ancient Greek, with some kind of meaning of lifting up. Obviously the original etymological meaning is irrelevant to users of the modern phrase, but it's perhaps ironic that the meaning fits.

      The phrase "meteoric rise" has been used at least since the 1860s in print, and probably earlier than that in speech. Today we may know that meteors are drifting chunks of rock that burn up in the atmosphere or crash to the ground, but what about 200 years ago? What did (at least most) people know about meteors? They knew what they saw. Remember that night skies looked very different 200 years ago. Meteors were flashes of light that appeared out of nowhere, raced across the sky, and were gone. Inexplicable.

      Thus the phrase "meteoric rise" traditionally (I would say "always" but I think you might argue this point? it certainly in common usage implies all these things) had insinuations of the rise being ephemeral. A "meteoric rise" is unexpected, fast, and ephemeral. Two out of three ain't bad for describing the iPhone; we'll have to see about the ephemeral part!

      So no, your assumption is basically completely wrong. What did you mean by "it's almost as if people are being tested to see how stupid they are"? I'm really not sure what you're saying,

    3. Re:Stop Saying "Meteoric"!! by Americano · · Score: 2

      Mostly feel smugly superior that your phone has features that you don't use, but love to talk about on Slashdot.

      If every person who talks about "freedom" and "hackability" and "modifying the source" every time Android phones come up was ACTUALLY writing software for them and hacking them? The Android Marketplace would have a lot more software in it than it does.

  6. Will it continue? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I wonder if this will continue for Apple.

    iOS 6 is a yawner. Yes, what we need -- more facebook integration. Already, there is a backlash against FB. The latest Android announcement had some cool items in it including another method of protecting against piracy that does not depend on if a device is not rooted.

    The Retina Display Macbook Pro has a cool screen, but cannot be repaired or upgraded.

    Mountain Lion?

    Jobs's RDF is gone.

    What Apple needs to do is start figuring out how to get themselves enterprise-friendly without losing their consumer market. Enterprises buy stuff in such large chunks that a few good contracts are a lot better than lines around the building of hipsters.

    First, redo the Mac Pro. Make a chassis that works like a tower, but can have a rack drawer attached so it can be slammed into a standard enclosure. Offer not just 8Gbs FC cards, but NICs with enough packet offloading power so FCoE is workable.

    Second, make something like BES but for managing iPhones. Yes, Exchange can do a lot, but having a dedicated policy management server that can handle data transmissions, perhaps even backups of phone devices would bring a lot of revenue.

    Third, the ARM processor supports worlds. In this day of BYOD, offer iPhones and iPads with a "work" partition and a "home" partition. That way, the employee only needs to type in the long password when accessing the "work" side, and the Exchange erase only blows that out. It also allows for apps to only see a subset of data, so the FB app isn't able to access work contacts.

    Fourth, make an antipiracy mechanism similar to Google's LVL or new encryption mechanism in Jelly Bean. That way, apps don't have to rely on the fact a device is not jailbroken. As an added bonus, more money can be spent on features, not anti-jailbreak BS.

    Fifth, make a business friendly Mac desktop that can push the Dells and Compaqs out of the offices. Take an iMac, toss the camera and mic, and sell that as a business PC with service plans to follow. Lots of cash there to be made, as most companies would switch to Macs if they could, only for the artistic value of the machines.

    1. Re:Will it continue? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Oh yeah mod that thing up.

      Some bozo on Slashdot is laying out a plan for what the most successful technology on the planet needs to do to stay competitive. This, the home of "ESR surprised by wealth", broadcasts the message of some self absorbed nerd who thinks anyone cares about the repairability of their laptop, and it is considered Insightful.

      Broadcasts it Apple who is certainly not combing the pages of this site for guidance. To a company that is envied by every other company on the planet. The brightest minds in business are right now wondering "how in the absolute hell do they do what they do?" How is it that they generate so much buzz over their products that they get free front page mention from the most read outlets all over the world? How can they make such enormous margins? Why are their retail stores slam full of people from open to close? How are their customer satisfaction ratings so incredible?

      Well stop wondering business world, here is some anonymous idiot handing you the keys to success right here.

    2. Re:Will it continue? by whisper_jeff · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is such a glorious example of how Slashdot readers just don't get it sometimes. Let's see:

      Yes, what we need -- more facebook integration.

      Yes. There are literally 100's of millions of Facebook users and I suspect they will happily take more Facebook integration with their phone. Just because you (or many Slashdotters) hate Facebook doesn't mean that the vast (VAST) majority of people out there also hate it.

      What Apple needs to do is start figuring out how to get themselves enterprise-friendly without losing their consumer market. Enterprises buy stuff in such large chunks that a few good contracts are a lot better than lines around the building of hipsters.

      Absolutely right. Except the iPhone is, by a wide margin, the most successful smartphone on the market making Apple the most successful company in the world while RIM, with it's focus on enterprise, is nearly dead. So maybe not so right after all.

      Seriously, Slashdotters have such a strong sense of "I know how to do it right and they clearly don't so let me spell it out for you..." Um, Apple is _THE_ most successful company on the planet, by a wide margin. They have figured out how to do it. Perhaps your roadmap to success isn't quite as good as you think it is given that your roadmap to success sounds a HELL of a lot like "focus on enterprise like RIM". You know, RIM, the company that is desperately cutting overhead in an effort to save their company from utter ruin because that's where they're headed.

      Look, Apple isn't perfect and there are things that they can do better in various ways but I think they've proven, beyond any possible shadow of a doubt, that their approach works a hell of a lot better than your suggested approach. Focusing on consumers is a roadmap to success. Getting consumers behind your product gets your product into businesses. They've proven this. Why Slashdotters cannot see this is a mystery to me.

    3. Re:Will it continue? by stewbacca · · Score: 3, Informative

      Mac Pro is not as expandable or upgradable as a real PC.

      Wait, what? Have you ever used a Mac Pro?

      By "not as expandable or upgradeable" do you mean, "just as expandable and upgradable and a lot less bloody knuckling"?

    4. Re:Will it continue? by jbolden · · Score: 2

      The macbook air is hugely successful and can't be upgraded. The way you upgrade a mac is you sell it or give it away and get a new one.

      What Apple needs to do is start figuring out how to get themselves enterprise-friendly without losing their consumer market. Enterprises buy stuff in such large chunks that a few good contracts are a lot better than lines around the building of hipsters.

      Based on what? Enterprise customers are
      a) cheap while Apple tends to offer top of the line hardware
      b) demand long support cycles which goes against Apple's ability to rapidly move their eco system
      c) don't care about design ....

      Apple has most of the profits in the desktop industry and a huge chunk in the mobile industry. Because they focus on being end user and are not IT friendly.

  7. Daft Punk, Not Kanye by skinlayers · · Score: 5, Informative

    "Better, faster, stronger," Apple could have easily lifted those Kanye West lyrics for their press release announcing the coming of the iPhone 3GS in 2009.

    *facepalm* Sorry, I know its a minor detail, but Daft Punk originally wrote "Better, faster, harder, stronger", and Kanye sampled it (with permission) for his song. They have a cameo in his video, which is an awesome tribute to Akira for those that haven't seen it.

    *watches Daft Hands and Daft Bodies on youtube*

    1. Re:Daft Punk, Not Kanye by PerfectionLost · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Who actually sampled http://www.last.fm/music/Edwin+Birdsong heavily for the song...

    2. Re:Daft Punk, Not Kanye by Teresita · · Score: 2

      Sure, next you'll tell me MC Hammer sampled the bass line for "U Can't Touch This" and Vanilla Ice sampled the bass line for "Ice Ice Baby".

  8. It's not complicated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    It's funny how people fight over which smartphone is superior. If people from the past (even 10 years) could see people name-calling over who has what smartphone, they would think it absurd.

    Let me make it simple for you. Me touch phone. It do stuff. Me make phone call. Me play game. Nice blinky lights.

    It's no more complicated than that people.

    1. Re:It's not complicated by Cimexus · · Score: 2

      Yeah. 100% right.

      I don't get it either. I have an iPhone ... it works and does what I want it to, and is simple to manage. It doesn't crash. It's nice and smooth and responsive when I scroll up and down. It gives me a decent 2 days of battery life. And has some fantastic apps. And listening to/controlling my music library via the included headphones works nicely on the bus. And a hundred other little reasons that made me buy it.

      But I don't give a flying f**k that Apple made it. Nor do I think Android is inferior - it's just different. If I were a programmer and wanted to run my own code or felt a need to customise the interface (which I agree you can't really do much on a stock iPhone), then yeah, Android'd probably be better for me. But that's not what my needs are ... I just want a phone that works with minimum fiddling (don't get me wrong - I like fiddling and hacking around with hardware, but I do that on my PC, not my phone, which I really see only as an appliance in the same way as I see my DVD player or microwave).

      So I honestly don't see why people get so ... passionate ... about one 'side' or the other. People buy the device that works for them (and people's needs are completely different, so obviously what's 'better' for a person might not be 'better' for another).

  9. Your side is obvious by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Only Apple Haters care about Steve Jobs.

    The rest of us just like functional devices.

    The rest of us realize Jobs didn't really matter, except that he had a talent for creating teams with amazing people.

    Not to belittle that talent, but since his team is the reason Apple succeeds Apple will do fine without him.

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    1. Re:Your side is obvious by obarthelemy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I think you're selling him short. The guy had the courage to enforce his own very strong opinions, that luckily were very user-centric, but also knew to back down from time to time. I don't agree with most of his choices, but they did work and push the envelope. On the other side, MS seems a prime case of community design and political choices, probably knowing what the market wanted (Metro !), but failing to push courageous solutions in favor of preserving their markets and counting on their strength to force bad-ish solutions down our throats. Smartphones and tablets are a prime example: MS was there first by a wide margin, but marred the experience by trying to use their desktop interface, failing to spot the allure of a fully locked-in, proprietary ecosystem, and relying on OEMs for hardware, apps, cloud.

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    2. Re:Your side is obvious by hairyfish · · Score: 2

      Only Apple Haters care about Steve Jobs.

      I take it you never went to any Apple events while Jobs was alive then?

      The rest of us just like functional devices.

      Functional like, being able to add memory, replace your battery, choose your own apps, modify your device as you see fit etc? That type of functionality?

      The rest of us realize Jobs didn't really matter,

      Wow, even Apple most haters admit Steve Jobs was an exceptional person, just not a god that's all.

      except that he had a talent for creating teams with amazing people.

      Not to belittle that talent, but since his team is the reason Apple succeeds Apple will do fine without him.

      We'll have to agree to disagree with that. The Apple juggernaut has seen it's best days. The smart phone/tablet revolution has had it's best days, Apple led the charge, made a ton of cash, but consumers are fickle. When you replace your device every couple of years and have no driving reason to stick with a brand, people will buy whatever is latest or greatest. It only takes one missed product cycle and Apple will go down the toilet. I was out last night with a group of techy mates who all jumped on the iPhone band wagon a few years ago. Now they all have Androids because it does more and cost less, and doesn't break when you look at it sideways. I can't see how with Apple's restrictive environment can maintain enough innovation to stay competitive.

  10. It is all marketing by kurt555gs · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I am a phone geek. The cell phone that I like the best. Actually the best cell phone ever made, in my opinion is the Nokia N9. Now dead, no longer made, it's corpse used to make shitty Lumia's. It could have been the 3rd leg in the cell phone triad.

    But, it isn't about technology. The people that buy cell phones aren't the real customers, but the companies that suck user information and sell it.

    The Nokia N9 is like the 2002 BMW E39 M5. the last of the great road cars where you could actually shift it, and trurning off the traction control really did just that.

    So, long Nokia. The N9 could have been a stellar hit.

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    * Carthago Delenda Est *
  11. didnt even have devkit the first 9 months by peter303 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I remember hackers jail breaking the thing to expose the underlying Mac UNIX. Opening it up to 3rd party developers was an uncertain but profitable move.

  12. iOS6 is a renaissance by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Insightful

    iOS 6 is a yawner

    Spoken like someone totally ignorant of details, or lacking in vision...

    iOS6 has such major, important updates for developers that going forward I will go with iOS6 support only as soon as it comes out, with no backwards support.

    Finally developers will be able to display anything on the built in maps framework, without any of the limits imposed by GOOGLE on how you can use maps.

    Also developers will be able to create regionally focused mapping applications that users can buy in the map itself! Android does not have nearly as open and extensible built in third-party map helper support - only what Google chooses to provide. Yes you can buy other mapping apps but you have to find them yourself, and determine if they will work where you are.

    Also iOS6 has an really advanced constrait based layout engine that goes way beyond a springs/struts model, or Android's Relative layout model. It makes support for proper internationalization trivial.

    Apple never needed Jobs mythical RDF, just great products... and Apple is continuing to provide that for users.

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    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  13. Really? Apple isn't on top by rujholla · · Score: 3, Informative

    According to ZDnet Samsung is ahead of apple in the smartphone market.

    Samsung’s success in the U.S. is both a blessing and a curse. It dominates the U.S. smartphone market, even outshining Apple’s iPhone. But delays, sales injunctions, and supply chain issues are hampering Samsung’s latest efforts to crank out its Galaxy S III smartphone to the market.

    Market research firm

    Samsung Electronics' Galaxy series has overtaken Apple's iPhone as the number-one individual smartphone sub-brand in the world.
    According to a report published by American market research firm Strategy Analystics in the first half of the year, Samsung sold 41-million units of its Galaxy series, which comprised 28 percent of the global smartphone market.
    Apple was close behind, selling 35-million units of the iPhone and taking up 24 percent of the market share.
    Research in Motion's Curve was the third-largest smartphone brand, but it only accounted for FOUR percent of the market.
    The report said Samsung and Apple are "clear leaders," since they make up over half of the global smartphone market combined.

  14. Re:Ah yes, 5 years ago... by Belial6 · · Score: 2

    That is "my shade of gray is better than your shade of gray" reasoning. Pick up a first gen iPhone today. It will be painful. Heck, I find iPhone 4s to be painful to use with their crappy keyboard. Yes, phones before the iPhone (first gen) were generally worse than the iPhone. Phones after the iPhone (first gen) were frequently better than the iPhone. Pick any point in time, and you will find the same pattern.

    There are two things that would make someone declare the I phone to be the watershed device. 1) It has Apple's label on it. 2) It happened to hit their individual pain point threshold on an ever improving scale. The fact that group 1 was a very vocal group helped the uptake of the iPhone more than anything else.

  15. Re:Meteor is more like a whiffle ball by jo_ham · · Score: 2

    That last graph includes non-smartphones. Apple is not in that market, never will be, and doesn't care about it.

    If Apple also made a non-smartphone then the metric might mean something (in terms of "it being not so hot for Apple" ), but the fact that they have chosen to concentrate on a small segment (by global phone use) standards, but one that is growing all the time, is the area you need to look. In that market they are competing well and doing quite nicely for themselves.

  16. Re:Really? Apple is on top by MikeMo · · Score: 4, Informative

    The summary says correctly that Apple makes 80% of the profits, not 80% of the phones. Samsung appears to be shipping the most phones, although the only numbers available are estimates of SHIPPED phones, not phones sold to consumers. For some reason, Samsung refuses to release any numbers at all.

  17. Re:Really? Apple is on top by MikeMo · · Score: 2

    I think Apple's large margin on the iPhone comes from multiple things: 1) There are no "BOGO" offers for iPhones. Period. 2) According to reports, they buy larger quantities and pay ahead on so much that they get better prices than anyone else. 3) They are leveraging parts across multiple devices. For example, the A5 appears in both iPads and iPhones. 4) As demonstrated by Sprint's experience, an iPhone is required in order to be a successful carrier today, at least in the U.S. I'm sure that does allow Apple to charge the carriers more for their phones that others are able to do, at least on average.

  18. The next iteration of the smartphone by dumcob · · Score: 2

    Just guessing what comes next...maybe the hardware of the nexus 7 shrinks down to the size of a usb stick, and can be plugged into screens of any size (phone/tablet/monitor/tv/google glasses) that have their own power supply, similar to what ASUS has attempted with padfone, but a couple iterations further down where the OS dynamically adjusts to whatever display the device is plugged into. I have a desktop at work 2 laptops and a phone. Would love to just shrink all that into a little keychain.

  19. It's not all marketing by jimicus · · Score: 2

    Okay, so you're a cellphone geek? Good for you.

    But the truth is that the vast majority of people don't care that much about a great big feature list. They care about "will this make me happier?" - emotional benefits, if you like.

    The iPhone is regularly advertised with video chat to the hypothetical user's nearest and dearest. That's a great emotional-benefit type feature.

  20. Western Bias by retroworks · · Score: 2

    Only 2 vendors making money? PLEASE. The article trots out has-beens like aging NBA basketball players, but doesn't mention Han Hoi Precision, HTC, or any of the hundreds of fast growing Android-clone manufacturers. 30 companies on 3 continents cooperated to make the IPhone. I like Apple, but I admire how IBM gave Lenovo credit compared to how Apple shares the credit with the geeks of color in Asia who made this generation of touchscreen phones affordable, scaleable, and possible.

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  21. Wrong, Apple planned thirty party apps all along by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    Jobs didn't want third-party code on the iPhone

    This is false. The volume of documentation and the quality of it demonstrated Apple had planned for 3rd party app development all along... They just delayed initial access to shake out the API's before the public had access to them.

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    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  22. Re:Meteor is more like a whiffle ball by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 2

    Unless, ya know, you count what actually matters... profit?

    Now, you see, I wonder about this. Do you really care about how much a company profits?

    I agree with you that "total market share" becomes somewhat of a dick-measuring contest. But as a consumer, I don't really care how profitable the company is. Whether or not they sell a good product at a good price is my main concern. Since people like the toaster analogy to phones, I could not tell you about the profitability of Waring, Black & Decker, Hamilton-Beach, or Chefman. It doesn't figure into my analysis when I'm buying a toaster. Does it do what I want it to do at a price that I'm willing to pay? Will it look good in my kitchen? Those are the concerns I have when buying a toaster.

    As a developer, I'm not all that interested in Apple's "profit share," other than the standard "will they be around in 5 years?" I am interested in market share, but not necessarily over-all market share. If I'm developing educational software for pre-school children, I'd be interested in Apple's market share in those homes. If I'm developing accounting software suitable for medium-sized businesses (eg between 100 and 500 employees), I'd be interested in Apple's market share in that environment. To use that last example, Apple's market share isn't that big in that environment, so I probably wouldn't have much for sales.

    As an Apple Investor, hell, yeah, I'm interested in Apple's profit share. If I'm deciding whether or not to invest some of my money into Apple or HTC, I'd probably pick Apple. But all profit share means is that Apple makes more money than anyone else. I used to work for the #1 accounting software company--by revenue. That didn't mean we had the best product. It just meant we charged more than everybody else. Arguably, if Apple is making so much more money than everybody else, I'd have to wonder whether or not Apple's stuff is overpriced. A wise man once told me that, "Unless you're buying an Armani suit, never buy from a salesman wearing one." It means they make way too much money.

    App developers have also in large part found that iOS users vastly outspend their Android counterparts.

    The same has been true with Macs for quite some time--Mac users buy more software than PC users. Of course, 10% of 25,000,000 is still less than 2% of 250,000,000. I remember reading somewhere that 75% of Adobe's revenue comes from Windows users and 25% from Mac users. But, as a percentage, more Mac users paid Adobe for their applications than Windows users.

    This is part of the reason lots of Android software is ad-supported. I'm not sure I've ever seen a study of Ad-Supported versus Charging, though, which would be interesting. If I sell my game for 99 cents, how long would it take me to make 99 cents in advertising...

  23. Re:Wrong, Apple planned thirty party apps all alon by Guspaz · · Score: 4, Informative

    It wouldn't be the first time that somebody in Apple went and did something behind Jobs' back anticipating a change of heart. The story of the Sony/Alps situation for the original Mac floppy drive is probably the most famous example.

    Jobs loved the new Sony 3.5" floppy drive format, and decided seven months before the Mac was supposed to ship that he wanted to use it... and he wanted that to happen via an Apple/Alps developed-from-scratch clone. The team thought this was insane, so while grudgingly going through the motions with Alps, they secretly continued working on integrating the Sony drive. They kept all the meetings/negotiations/hardware secret from Jobs, to the extent that they would hide the Sony engineer visiting Cupertino in a closet whenever Jobs was nearby. This obviously greatly confused the Sony engineer, but he went along with it.

    Later, when Alps told Apple that they needed eighteen months to get the thing ready, the team revealed to Jobs that they had gone behind his back and kept the Sony deal alive, and he ended up thanking them for their little rebellion.

    I'm not saying that this is the same situation here, only that what Jobs was convinced was the right approach and what the Apple engineers working on the internal SDK were convinced was the right approach may not have aligned. It's pretty well documented from multiple sources internal to Apple that Jobs was obstinately refusing to consider third-party apps. He didn't want other people messing with his perfection, and he didn't think his team had the bandwidth to figure out how to make it work (in terms of reliability and integration) on top of their existing workload.

  24. Re:Wrong, Apple planned thirty party apps all alon by jcr · · Score: 2

    The volume of documentation and the quality of it demonstrated Apple had planned for 3rd party app development all along...

    Kudos to the tech pubs team at Apple, but I'm afraid you're mistaken. At launch time, there was no intention to allow third-party apps on the phone. It took quite a lot of convincing to get SJ to allow it.

    -jcr

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    The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
  25. Re:Ah yes, 5 years ago... by afgam28 · · Score: 2

    The reason it is considered a watershed device is because it was leaps and bounds ahead of anything that was out at the time (and for a while after). Apologies to everyone else for stating the bleeding obvious, but for your benefit, here's what made the iPhone revolutionary:

    It had a screen big enough that web browsing was possible. Compare that with the crappy browsers that the old Nokia E90s and other smartphones had, where you had to scroll around using arrow keys and navigate through menus to enter text in a text box.

    The touchscreen interface and gestures made apps like Google Maps possible. There is no way this could've been implemented on the smartphones that came before the iPhone.

    The software was designed and integrated well with the new hardware (the capacitative touchscreen). The UI was smooth and wasn't clunky and annoying to use.

    Sure, Google and Apple have been incrementally improving the design, but their steps haven't been as big as the one Apple took in 2007. You must have your head deep, deep in the sand to think that it is considered revolutionary just because 1) it had an Apple logo on it or 2) it was just an incremental improvement and somehow everyone's pain threshold magically happened to be just below where the iPhone was.