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Why Were So Many "Crazy" Higgs Boson Stories Published?

The presumed discovery of the Higgs boson may be one of the most important scientific discoveries ever, but it did bring out quite a bit of "strange" science reporting. In addition to blogs, many mainstream news sites jumped on the crazy headline bandwagon. The ability to soon travel at the speed of light, the building of a Star Trek style transporter, and many stories of the particle proving God doesn't exist have made the rounds in the past week. Is the particle's discovery just on the fringe of common scientific knowledge and therefore prone to wild speculation, or does this all come down to having the most sensational headline?

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  1. Invitation to San Francisco Higgs Boson Party by E1910 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Let me steal this first post to invite fellow slashdotters to a Higgs Boson Scientists Launch Party next weekend in San Francisco. We have friendly people, interesting discussions and huge orgy. Everyone is welcome to come! WOOOHOOO

    1. Re:Invitation to San Francisco Higgs Boson Party by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everyone is welcome to come!

      QFE

    2. Re:Invitation to San Francisco Higgs Boson Party by interval1066 · · Score: 4, Funny

      ...and huge orgy. Everyone is welcome to come! WOOOHOOO

      I'd love to be a fly on the wall when the neckbeards who rated this entry as informative show up for the "orgy".

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    3. Re:Invitation to San Francisco Higgs Boson Party by tool462 · · Score: 1

      We have friendly people, interesting discussions and huge orgy

      Minor correction, "you *had* friendly people, interesting discussions, and huge orgy."
      Now that you've invited Slashdot, you'll have grumpy people, awkward silence, and a whole bunch of sweaty fat men staring at pictures of Natalie Portman and hot grits.

    4. Re:Invitation to San Francisco Higgs Boson Party by erdos-bacon+sandwich · · Score: 1

      We have friendly people, interesting discussions and huge orgy

      First Served, First Come

    5. Re:Invitation to San Francisco Higgs Boson Party by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That is possibly one of the last flies on any wall I would ever want to be, myself. YMMV.

    6. Re:Invitation to San Francisco Higgs Boson Party by vlm · · Score: 1

      Now that you've invited Slashdot, you'll have grumpy people, awkward silence, and a whole bunch of sweaty fat men staring at pictures of Natalie Portman and hot grits.

      Look on the bright side, that's better than goatse or 2G1C

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    7. Re:Invitation to San Francisco Higgs Boson Party by ArsonSmith · · Score: 1

      Now I'm interested.

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    8. Re:Invitation to San Francisco Higgs Boson Party by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      We have friendly people, interesting discussions and huge orgy

      Minor correction, "you *had* friendly people, interesting discussions, and huge orgy."
      Now that you've invited Slashdot, you'll have grumpy people, awkward silence, and a whole bunch of sweaty fat men staring at pictures of Natalie Portman and hot grits.

      Imagine a Beowulf cluster of those...

    9. Re:Invitation to San Francisco Higgs Boson Party by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

      Higgs Boson Scientists Launch Party

      Launching generally either involves either being hit with a bottle of champagne so hard that it breaks and then being slide down a ramp into the sea or being strapped to a rocket and blasted into orbit. So, speaking as a "higgs boson scientist" so, unless this party is being sponsored by SpaceX, I think I'll pass.

    10. Re:Invitation to San Francisco Higgs Boson Party by mikiN · · Score: 1

      Pass the HAT (Higgs Acid Test)?

      Could be interesting. hope some folks from Switzerland attend (not CERN, Sandoz!) :-) => 8-)

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    11. Re:Invitation to San Francisco Higgs Boson Party by mikiN · · Score: 1

      W->H->O->O->S->H!

      No, not the decay pattern of the W boson, not 125 GeV for the Higgs either, just my 1200 mics.

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    12. Re:Invitation to San Francisco Higgs Boson Party by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...and huge orgy. Everyone is welcome to come! WOOOHOOO

      I'd love to be a fly on the wall when the neckbeards who rated this entry as informative show up for the "orgy".

      Hmmm... I don't think you would.

  2. Seriously? by Anrego · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The exact same reasons we read headlines about creating universe eating black holes when the thing started up.. about global pandemics that are going to wipe us all out.. about “Africanized” bees. It gets eyeball time, which is what it’s all about.

    “A long held theory has been possibly confirmed”

    Vs.

    “THE FUTURE IS HERE, LIVE LIKE THE JETSONS IN 5 YEARS!”

    One of those is going to sell a _lot_ more toothpaste.

    1. Re:Seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, the reason for these stories is that the media is full of ignorant idiots and their audience is full of idiots, too. These are people who scoff at science and intelligence and could never comprehend a legitimate article about science, so they just write absurd amusing shit, instead.

    2. Re:Seriously? by datavirtue · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's the age of Adsense. All that matters is traffic. Some will do whatever it takes to get it. I see traffic grabs all the time, but most people don't realize how much money is in it.

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    3. Re:Seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      News: Hollywood conspiracy movie about Higgs Boson opening next summer.

    4. Re:Seriously? by yotto · · Score: 1

      “THE FUTURE IS HERE, LIVE LIKE THE JETSONS IN 5 YEARS!”

      That headline will never fly. We can't just tell a bold-faced lie on THIS web site. We've got standards!

      Here, I rewrote it for you. Run this so our publication can keep its integrity intact.

      THE FUTURE IS HERE, LIVE LIKE THE JETSONS IN 5 YEARS?

    5. Re:Seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You all have overlooked the best headline: " Higgs-Boson gets nerds laid! "

    6. Re:Seriously? by mikiN · · Score: 1

      James Bond!
      We've had "A Quantum of Solace", why not have "A Boson of Gravity"?
      Already loving the sound of that.

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    7. Re:Seriously? by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      "THE FUTURE IS HERE, LIVE LIKE THE JETSONS IN 5 YEARS!â

      What ... a 1950s Disney-esque patriarchy? I think I'd rather slit my wrists.

      I could just about live with the 1950s, or the patriarchy ; but the Disneyesque preversions .... wrist-slitting territory.

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  3. Where were they? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I didn't see any articles like that, are you confusing random small blogs for mainstream news sites? Or was this an American news thing?

    1. Re:Where were they? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I didn't see any of that among US news outlets either, but I'm sure it happened somewhere.

      And if it did, it's because the Higgs Field, and why it's important, is somewhere just beyond the comprehension of your average person. We're used to popsci shows giving us the simple explanation, where the best I've seen for this is still a bit above that.

      This is a very good one though..
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hn0jYjijNs

    2. Re:Where were they? by Trent+Hawkins · · Score: 5, Informative

      Try the BBC: "The Higgs boson is another nail in the coffin of religion", "What do you get if you divide science by God?", "Is there room for Higgs Boson & Religion?"
      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-radio-and-tv-18712238
      http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7955846.stm
      http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p00tt7kb/World_Have_Your_Say_WHYS_60_Is_there_room_for_Higgs_Boson_and_Religion/

    3. Re:Where were they? by Spad · · Score: 1

      I'm going to go with the latter. I saw very little sensationalist nonsense from the UK media on the whole, nor did I see a lot on any of the sci/tech blogs and sites that I read. The only place I saw anything even vaguely stupid (that wasn't intended as such) related to the Higgs discovery was on Twitter, where you can find stupid related to *anything* at any time.

    4. Re:Where were they? by Rei · · Score: 1

      While these sort of articles were the exception, not the rule, probably 80-90% of mainstream reporting on the topic seemed to mix up the Higgs field and the Higgs boson. Sad.

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    5. Re:Where were they? by ratbag · · Score: 3, Insightful

      To be fair to our beloved Beeb, none of those links point to "hard news" pages. They're either from the magazine section (a bit like the op-ed section of a paper) or a "balanced" current affairs program where one uninformed talking head berates another one for 30 minutes and noone emerges from the program any the wiser.

    6. Re:Where were they? by irenaeous · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Did you read the linked article? As a Christian, I rolled my eyes most at the BBC radio headline, "The Higgs boson is another nail in the coffin of religion." This seems like an equal opportunity attempt to offend. It attacks religion, but with an argument that is so stupid that it ought to offend atheists too who might be associated with such asininity. And this is the BBC who you think wouldn't do this kind of thing.

    7. Re:Where were they? by tverbeek · · Score: 2

      "Or was this an American news thing?"

      If you RTFA, you'll see that the first two examples cited were from Canada's National Post and the BBC.

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    8. Re:Where were they? by Trent+Hawkins · · Score: 1

      that's where majority of scientific reports end up. Few news organizations do a proper report on scientific discoveries that do not involve golf balls.

    9. Re:Where were they? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If there is anything the internet has taught us, it is that the mainstream news outlets are often less credible than small blogs.

      The only problem is that the "small blog" quality varies wildly from "extremely good" to "glue sniffing paranoia". The problem with mainstream news is that while the consistency is better... You're nearly always being lied to.

    10. Re:Where were they? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, it was BBC, but give people enough time and they'll find a way to blame the American news anyway.

    11. Re:Where were they? by ratbag · · Score: 2

      Sadly you're absolutely right on that point. From my point of view, I pre-filter the stuff on the BBC news site that isn't on the main news page since most of it (the non-hard news) is no better than the Idle section of Slashdot.

      In the absence of Ben Goldacre from his Guardian column (come back Ben), there's very little consistently good science reporting in mainstream UK media.

    12. Re:Where were they? by f3r · · Score: 1

      religion does not need any other nail...the only place left for god right now is just as a designer of the Lagrangian of the standard model, don't you agree?

    13. Re:Where were they? by History's+Coming+To · · Score: 1

      I'll happily be the atheist who agrees with you. Religion isn't science. Science isn't religion. They don't overlap and claiming either can prove the other wrong is absurd.

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    14. Re:Where were they? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not too worried about occasional silly hyperbole in op-ed's, aimed at the validity of religion. Get as crazy as you like, you're not going to make an argument any less rational than the religious superstitions themselves.

    15. Re:Where were they? by CanHasDIY · · Score: 3, Informative

      "Or was this an American news thing?"

      If you RTFA, you'll see that the first two examples cited were from Canada's National Post and the BBC.

      Well sure, but had he RTFA'd, he wouldn't have gotten to do any American-bashing, now would he?

      Not sure which is worse: AC's who only post anti-American nonsense, or the idiots who mod such posts Insightful... Hating on Americans must be trending.

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    16. Re:Where were they? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. Don't RTFA
      2. Ask a question that is clearly answered by TFA.
      3. Get modded up for not RTFA.
      4. ???
      5. Profit!
       
      Seriously? Who the hell modded this up? The article clearly points out the articles in question. Who the hell gives out the mod points around here anyway?

    17. Re:Where were they? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Saying science and religion don't overlap is simply compartmentalisation. If religions makes certain claims about reality, and science has claims that refute those claimed by religion, then I don't see how they don't overlap.

    18. Re:Where were they? by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

      Try the BBC: "The Higgs boson is another nail in the coffin of religion",
      "What do you get if you divide science by God?", "Is there room for Higgs Boson & Religion?"

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-radio-and-tv-18712238

      http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7955846.stm

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p00tt7kb/World_Have_Your_Say_WHYS_60_Is_there_room_for_Higgs_Boson_and_Religion/

      Apparently the BBC was taken over by the people that run the Daily Mail.

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    19. Re:Where were they? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      And if it did, it's because the Higgs Field, and why it's important, is somewhere just beyond the comprehension of your average person.

      Even diffraction of fullerene is somewhere just beyond my comprehension, and I'm not your ordinary average person. I guess the deeper you go in the universe, the crazier everything becomes.

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    20. Re:Where were they? by SrLnclt · · Score: 1

      Or how about CNN? "Higgs boson is like ... a Justin Bieber fan?" http://lightyears.blogs.cnn.com/2012/07/05/higgs-boson-is-like-a-justin-bieber-fan/?hpt=hp_t2

      Almost all mainstream media is clueless on what the Higgs Boson actually is, or what its findings could mean. Sadly, it would have had 90% less press in the mainstream media if it wasn't given an unfortunate nickname.

    21. Re:Where were they? by moeinvt · · Score: 1

      "Hating on Americans must be trending."

      Well, in fairness, they were talking about the American MEDIA, which deserves about as much bashing as can possibly be delivered.

    22. Re:Where were they? by moeinvt · · Score: 1

      Log in and do some meta-moderation.

    23. Re:Where were they? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But only one of them has ever proven itself right.

    24. Re:Where were they? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you'd read the article you see the BBC and a canadian newspaper are clearly called out.

    25. Re:Where were they? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a Christian

      Why join a religion that attempts to give a personality to a god that you don't even know exists? Believing in god? Well, okay. But why a specific god? That just makes no sense.

    26. Re:Where were they? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      None of those are editorial by the BBC, one of them is unrelated to this dicovery.

    27. Re:Where were they? by gl4ss · · Score: 2

      I'll happily be the atheist who agrees with you. Religion isn't science. Science isn't religion. They don't overlap and claiming either can prove the other wrong is absurd.

      most organized religions are about promoting how it(the religion in question) can prove itself as universal truth - you see, when religion is very tangibly used as explanation for how things work and came to be - and how they will be - then in a system like that there is no separation of "science" and "religion" and there really can't be. of course that sounds absurd if you're atheist though, since it creates humongous logical holes if you try to observe things yourself. religious authority says that world is xxx years old and your scientific observations say different - how on earth is that not contradiction and overlapping?

      the usual answer is that the religion doesn't really say that it's xxx years old but that it's a metaphor - but that's very clearly not what the religious teachings for that religion actually are, for the religion is a wholly another religion if you morph the basic beliefs around like that.

      you can quite easily prove for certain religion for example that either the god is a jester - which the religion denies - or that the large part of the teachings are wrong, at least the part about god not being a jester.

      claiming that you could prove science wrong is absurd though - since all you would be doing would be defining observations more correctly. however using science to prove that we are in fact not on top of a giant turtle(that is in this dimension, no bs escapes like that) shell doesn't sound so absurd at all and is direct overlapping of science and religion.

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    28. Re:Where were they? by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      That would be religion. For correct definitions (circular) of 'proven'.

      Science can never be proven true. It's in the definition of science. The best you can do is 'not been disproven, yet'.

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    29. Re:Where were they? by Aris+Katsaris · · Score: 1

      What you're saying is also nonsense. Many aspects of many religions overlap with science, and are thus disproven by it.

      For example: Through science we know that the Sun isn't a god riding a chariot drawn under the sea every night. Through science we know that the constellation of Orion isn't a hunter that fell in love with Artemis. Through science we know that humankind does not descend from a single human pair that lived in Mesopotamia around 4000 BC. Through science we know that the sea isn't the blood of a giant, nor was there a global flood that lasted 40 days sometime in the 3rd millenium BC.

      Those are aspects of religions that did very much overlap with science, and have been disproven by it.

    30. Re:Where were they? by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Yep the BBC is more yellow the MSNBC or Fox. Damn American media.

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    31. Re:Where were they? by cusco · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, most of the time that you see a remarkably retarded science headline it will be in the US press. I've read that Peru has one of the worst educational systems in Latin America, but unlike my countrymen all of my wife's nieces and nephews could find the Pacific Ocean on a map by the time they were in third grade.

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    32. Re:Where were they? by cusco · · Score: 1

      Who the hell gives out the mod points around here anyway?

      If you were bright enough to figure out the registration process the answer (at least part of the time) would be "You do"

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    33. Re:Where were they? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What idiots modded this stoopid and ignorant* America-bashing "insightful" or "informative"? It's talking about major news outlets in other countries.

      *yes, it's both

    34. Re:Where were they? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [Science|Religion] don't overlap and claiming either can prove the other wrong is absurd.

      So creationism and evolution don't overlap?
      Quick, someone tell the cdesign proponentsists!

    35. Re:Where were they? by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      Just shows you how important it is. We try to make it out like this Higgs whatchyamacallit is a big deal when really it is not. If it were anything of substance then it would be easy to explain, everyone would get it, and the utopia of the damn god particle would set in. But as it stands, none of this happened.

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    36. Re:Where were they? by PeterAitch · · Score: 1

      Way too harsh. I've just read the hyperlink and it's a good stab at providing analogies people can try to get their heads around. "A quantum of the Higgs field which enables the Higgs effect" doesn't do it for most non-slashdotters.

      The Justin Bieber fan analogy is a variant of an explanation I first saw fronted by Tara Shears a few years ago, when the LHC originally came online. Probably still out there somewhere on YouTube.

      Kudos to this article - they even mention the nickname story (the same version I was told personally when I visited CERN).

    37. Re:Where were they? by Man+Eating+Duck · · Score: 1

      Saying science and religion don't overlap is simply compartmentalisation. If religions makes certain claims about reality, and science has claims that refute those claimed by religion, then I don't see how they don't overlap.

      The mere idea of an omnipotent and omniscient god (as the one in Christianity and most other religions) basically throws science out the window; when such an entity is potentially meddling with your observations and experiments all bets are off. Religious scientists must assume that this entity does not interfere at all, otherwise their science is meaningless. Religion simply can not be a part of science, and it's probably not possible to disprove the existence of a god with scientific means.

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    38. Re:Where were they? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeeeah I'm an atheist and that made me angry. I don't understand how that makes any sense... why can't their be a god and a higgs boson? The only way they're related at all is its nickname "the god particle." It's not like evolution where religions commonly claim the earth is only so old when we have evidence otherwise. Though even that isn't necessarily a contradiction I mean you could believe in the concept of evolution and not believe that we have been alive that long.

    39. Re:Where were they? by Grizzley9 · · Score: 1

      I saw it on the main news sites somewhat. One of the main physicists they always have on PBS documentaries (oriental looking guy with white hair) would go on and making outlandish claims about this is proof that it created everything. It was odd b/c he was going beyond what science was saying about the issue.

    40. Re:Where were they? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Had he RTFA? That's crazy talk, no true slashdotter reads the article, we just come here to made completely uninformed comments based on an inaccurate summary, unless we are in a rush in which case we'll only read the headline before commenting.

    41. Re:Where were they? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but a lot of atheists exhibit an irrational - ahem, might I say religious - devotion to science. When I say "religious devotion", I am referring to those folks who seem to think that every scientific discovery (e.g. the Higgs boson) proves that their religion is the right religion and all the other religions are false... when in fact the scientific discovery had nothing to do with religion, because science isn't a religion.

    42. Re:Where were they? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To be fair, it's also proven itself wrong countless times.

      And only one of them has never been proven wrong...

    43. Re:Where were they? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The mere idea of an omnipotent and omniscient god (as the one in Christianity and most other religions)"

      No, most other religions assert no such thing. It's why Christians have such a hard-on to denounce them.

    44. Re:Where were they? by mikiN · · Score: 1

      You must be new here.

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    45. Re:Where were they? by Inda · · Score: 1

      The BBC trumpet their own greatness.

      Experience tells us different.

      Their recent stirring of flamebait on their HYS section is appalling.

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    46. Re:Where were they? by History's+Coming+To · · Score: 1

      If you can find a genuine use of scientific method in creationism, or a faith based axiom in evolution, then yes, they overlap.

      Yes, of course science and religion both have social aspects which overlap, but as logical systems they're separate.

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    47. Re:Where were they? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      As a Christian, you are believer in the supernatural and the triumph of superstition over rationality, so why should we care what you think?

      You're in the same camp as Scientologists, astrologers and Flat-Earthers.

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    48. Re:Where were they? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Saying science and religion don't overlap is simply compartmentalisation. If religions makes certain claims about reality, and science has claims that refute those claimed by religion, then I don't see how they don't overlap.

      Because for some reason we're not supposed to annoy Christians by exposing their ideas to the test of science or logic. It's OK to do that to Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, wiccans, vegans, psychiatrists, socialists or whatever. Just not Christians.

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    49. Re:Where were they? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Religious scientists must assume that this entity does not interfere at all, otherwise their science is meaningless.

      The only vaguely plausible approach for "religious scientists" to take is that god started the Big Bang then withdrew from the Universe. This handily gives the god-botherers a get out of jail free card when it comes to explaining why they can't prove god exists. Because obviously we will have to wait for the afterlife in some alternate reality.to see his splendour.

      Anyone who believes in creationism in the "Genesis is a true story" sense can't be considered to be a scientist, or indeed a rational being, at all.

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    50. Re:Where were they? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Through science we know that the Sun isn't a god riding a chariot drawn under the sea every night.

      You insensitive clod! How dare you casually brush aside my most treasured Sun-worshipping beliefs!
      Of course, I'm fine with you demolishing all that hunter/Artemis bollocks. What a load of drivel that is.

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    51. Re:Where were they? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Yeeeah I'm an atheist and that made me angry. I don't understand how that makes any sense... why can't their be a god and a higgs boson? The only way they're related at all is its nickname "the god particle." It's not like evolution where religions commonly claim the earth is only so old when we have evidence otherwise. Though even that isn't necessarily a contradiction I mean you could believe in the concept of evolution and not believe that we have been alive that long.

      Translation: I am not, in fact, an atheist, but a Christian pretending to be onbe.

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    52. Re:Where were they? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      The BBC trumpet their own greatness. Experience tells us different. Their recent stirring of flamebait on their HYS section is appalling.

      If by HYS you mean "have your say" don't you think that the clue that it doesn't represent official BBC opinion is in the title?

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    53. Re:Where were they? by Nyder · · Score: 1

      Did you read the linked article? As a Christian, I rolled my eyes most at the BBC radio headline, "The Higgs boson is another nail in the CRUCIFIX of religion." ....

      Fixed that for ya...

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    54. Re:Where were they? by lennier · · Score: 1

      If it were anything of substance then it would be easy to explain, everyone would get it

      I dunno. Special relativity seems to be pretty important to 20th century physics, and the maths is really simple (or at least appears so at first glance), but despite reading many easy-sounding explanations over decades I still don't feel I 'get' it at an intuitive level. The twin paradox, for example. Common sense (always a dangerous if not fatal thing to attempt to apply to modern physics) would suggest that, since all motion is relative, then the time dilation of a spaceship travelling at 0.9 C in in a fixed star's frame would exactly equal and counteract the time dilation of the star in the ship's frame, leaving no net dilation at the end of the trip. But that of course is famously not the result used in textbooks or thousands of SF books, which usually just say "the traveller dilates by gamma, the stay-at-home doesn't", without mentioning that that result is the paradox. The actual resolutions are much more complicated and usually left to advanced texts, and that's where I generally get lost.

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      You are not a brain: http://books.google.com/books?id=2oV61CeDx-YC
  4. The bandwagon is old, and low to the ground by kiriath · · Score: 1

    thus it is very easy to jump on. You have one story, and thousands of different news outlets - all of them trying to find *their* angle on the story. Thus you wind up with 1% news 99% cruft. If you look below the surface, this happens with all 'news'.

    1. Re:The bandwagon is old, and low to the ground by necro81 · · Score: 1

      The bandwagon is old, and low to the ground

      Building on your analogy: this probably means that it was built to last, and is hard to overturn. In other words, we've doomed to be fed news stories by ignoramuses.

  5. What the Higgs confirmation means by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Some day we'll be able to dial up velocity to 1.1 times c!

    1. Re:What the Higgs confirmation means by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 5, Funny

      Nothing goes faster than C


      (besides assembly, but who does assembly?)

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    2. Re:What the Higgs confirmation means by Nadaka · · Score: 3, Funny

      Learn to assembly.

    3. Re:What the Higgs confirmation means by gman003 · · Score: 1

      (besides assembly, but who does assembly?)

      You mean besides your compiler?

  6. I'm postponing buying toothpaste by davidwr · · Score: 2

    I'm waiting for the one-time-application tooth-enamel-protector we will surely have in 5 years thanks to the discovery of the Higgs!

    Sorry advertisers, your current pre-Higgs-announcement product lines are already obsolete so I won't be buying any of them.

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    1. Re:I'm postponing buying toothpaste by E1910 · · Score: 0

      Sorry, Google hit that tree already when they tried to evacuate prematurely.

    2. Re:I'm postponing buying toothpaste by geminidomino · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm waiting for the one-time-application tooth-enamel-protector we will surely have in 5 years thanks to the discovery of the Higgs!

      You know, I'd be happy with just a new way of getting a cleaning.

      We put men on the moon. We can remove an internal organ through an incision smaller than a Kennedy half-dollar. We've discovered the Higgs Bosun. So why the FUCK are dental hygienists still using techniques clearly dreamed up and perfected by friggin' Torquemada?!

    3. Re:I'm postponing buying toothpaste by Anrego · · Score: 4, Interesting

      As someone with a lot of dental problems.. so much this.

      I mean there is a lot of advancements in the dental industry.. composite fillings, implants, etc.. but some stuff is just conspicuously primitive. Maybe there really is no better way than physically scraping the junk off with metal picks.. or maybe it's impractical for whatever reason.

      Personally I'd like to see one of these nifty painless numbing methods I've been hearing about as "just around the corner" since I was in high school to actually show up at my dentists office. Metal picks I don't mind.. my dentist trying to directly freeze my brain stem or something with a needle the size of a drinking straw and then STILL feeling it kinda gets on the nerves..

    4. Re:I'm postponing buying toothpaste by operagost · · Score: 4, Funny

      At least the dental hygenists are still hot.

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    5. Re:I'm postponing buying toothpaste by kaiser423 · · Score: 1

      There's a guy in town that uses a laser to get the plaque off, and very very rarely has to use the scraper. I went to him forever and loved it, then my dental insurance decided he wasn't any good and I can't go to him anymore :(

    6. Re:I'm postponing buying toothpaste by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      All of them..

      Consistently..

      Seriously what the hell is with that. Not that I'm complaining, but that can't just be a coincidence.

    7. Re:I'm postponing buying toothpaste by Moheeheeko · · Score: 2

      Thats just the novacaine they put in your eyes talking.

    8. Re:I'm postponing buying toothpaste by aitikin · · Score: 1

      Where are you from? All the dental hygienists I've ever had were, shall we say, less than attractive.

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    9. Re:I'm postponing buying toothpaste by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Funny

      More Novacaine!

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    10. Re:I'm postponing buying toothpaste by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      You need a different dentist^Horal hygenist.

      How the hell do you think they get guys to come back an pay money to get poked at with sharp pointy instruments? We're not all into BDSM.

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    11. Re:I'm postponing buying toothpaste by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2

      My dentist is around forty, I guess, but she looks more like thirty and she *is* smoking hot. I don't know, perhaps it's some kind of anesthesia by distracting the patient that makes them successful.

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    12. Re:I'm postponing buying toothpaste by INeededALogin · · Score: 2

      There's a guy in town that uses a laser to get the plaque off

      My dad did laser dentistry back in the early 90s to zap cavities. It was really cool because the laser would intensify when you ran over dark spots(he used a black business card to demonstrate it). Overall, it was a 50k machine that was apparently way ahead of its time since we don't really see laser dentistry everywhere(or the insurance problem that you stated).

    13. Re:I'm postponing buying toothpaste by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The painless numbing is already here - it's a substance that is applied on top of an area and that area immediately goes numb. I accidentally touched it with my tongue once for a brief instant and I couldn't feel that part of my tongue for the rest of the day. It just doesn't work for areas that aren't exposed anywhere like the nerve inside your tooth. Most minor procedures are perfectly fine to do with no analgesia anyway - the analgesia is more annoying, at least to me, than the one or two seconds of true discomfort from the procedure itself.

    14. Re:I'm postponing buying toothpaste by moeinvt · · Score: 1

      A word of caution though. The fact that they don't wear a ring while they're working doesn't necessarily mean they're single.

      During one cleaning, I spent the whole time thinking about how I was going to ask this new hygienist to go out with me. When she told me she was married, I started to say "Why don't you wear..." and then it dawned on me and I felt like a bloody idiot for not considering that.

    15. Re:I'm postponing buying toothpaste by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Maybe hot women start torchering people in high school and start to enjoy so much that they gravitate towards professions were they get to continue that... ;^)

    16. Re:I'm postponing buying toothpaste by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's a Kennedy half-dollar?

    17. Re:I'm postponing buying toothpaste by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      A $0.50 coin with JFK's face on it.

      ~30mm x ~2.15mm

    18. Re:I'm postponing buying toothpaste by wzzzzrd · · Score: 1

      That "substance" could be clean colombian powder ;)

      That's why even the TV inspectors rub it on their soft mouth tissue. If it goes numb, it's coke. It won't have any other effects on you if consumed this way, so it could be a good local anastheticum. What's currently in use cannot work on pure nerve tissue, that's why pulling a tooth's nerve is so painful, even with local anasthetics.

      But no, can't have that. A good shot of Tramaldan would also be a good idea. But no, can't have that either. You know, drugs are bad. Except the ones sold by the pharmacy industry.

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    19. Re:I'm postponing buying toothpaste by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The amount Joe paid for his doxies.

    20. Re:I'm postponing buying toothpaste by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      Sorry bout your luck....all my Hellenists are quite distracting and they have all been hot.

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    21. Re:I'm postponing buying toothpaste by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WTF is "torchering"?! Is she THAT hot?

    22. Re:I'm postponing buying toothpaste by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      Other dentistry techniques I've had used by various dentists over the years:
      --Digital X-Rays (they use MUCH less radiation, and provide an instant result)
      --Digital oral modelling (combining digital X-Rays with an oral sonogram -- it does your mouth in 3D with cutaways and density indicated -- and can time lapse between visits and forecast projections on tooth movement and gum recession/decay)
      --Sonic cleaning. Really... why use a pick when you can use an audio beam (or at least a water pik) to get things clean?
      --Tooth whitening (this is purely cosmetic, but we've got the tech to do it)

      The metal probe will always be the dentist's tool of choice however, as they know exactly how strong it is compared to tartar, plaque and enamel. Why invent something better when this already works perfectly?

      What we really need now though is a few nanotech mouth rinses. After all, we know what plaque is made of and how it bonds, and so should be able to create a rinse that will break it down and remove it -- and another one that will prevent plaque and tartar from building up in the first place. This could be done at home, and you'd have two less reasons to go to the hygenist.

      To hijack the thread, the area I'd REALLY like to see advances in is dermatology and allergens. We've had scientists studying the skin and the blood for years now, and still have only the most rudimentary understanding of how they work and interact with the rest of our system. We know what they do, but not how to fix them when they behave abnormally (and even struggle to identify what's going wrong).

    23. Re:I'm postponing buying toothpaste by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      My dentist is around forty, I guess, but she looks more like thirty and she *is* smoking hot. I don't know, perhaps it's some kind of anesthesia by distracting the patient that makes them successful.

      And there you are with your mouth wide open and her chest hanging just above. Where did you say you go?

      In all seriousness, I've never had such a dentist, but numerous dental assistants like that.

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    24. Re:I'm postponing buying toothpaste by jimi1x · · Score: 1

      --Sonic cleaning

      Is there anything the Doctor can't do?

    25. Re:I'm postponing buying toothpaste by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google had a premature evacuation?

    26. Re:I'm postponing buying toothpaste by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ask your dentist about ultrasonic cleaning.

    27. Re:I'm postponing buying toothpaste by Anrego · · Score: 1

      The consistent response I've gotten from her on the topic is that stuff is out there, but the reason it's not wide spread is none of it works as well as the ol` fashioned metal picks. They usually get "some" or even "most" of the stuff off.. but not all.. and then you have to get the rest off yourself with the picks anyway. Also something about serving a double purpose of inspecting the teeth.

    28. Re:I'm postponing buying toothpaste by mikiN · · Score: 1

      #!/usr/bin/env python
      s="premature evacuation"
      s=s.replace('v','j')
      s=s[:15]+'l'+s[15:]
      print s

      Slashcode's lameness filter doesn't pass the Turing test, har har har.

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    29. Re:I'm postponing buying toothpaste by mikiN · · Score: 1

      That's because insurance companies are in business because of people suffering, not getting better.
      If your laser-dentist does his/her job too well, you don't need follow-up appointments, painkillers, ENT surgeries, the works, all paid for by you ('own risk') and your fellow premium payers, neatly converted into huge profits by the medi-scammers.

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    30. Re:I'm postponing buying toothpaste by Cryacin · · Score: 1

      I loved that bit where William Shatner was trying just a *little* tiny bit of coke on the tip of his tongue from list little finger, looks up and with strong authority says, yeah, it's coke. Robert de Niro walks past casually and says, yeah, unless if it's cyanide powder, in which case you're dead. There's a reason why we don't stick the contents of random powders into our mouths.

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    31. Re:I'm postponing buying toothpaste by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      That "substance" could be clean colombian powder ;) That's why even the TV inspectors rub it on their soft mouth tissue. If it goes numb, it's coke. It won't have any other effects on you if consumed this way, so it could be a good local anastheticum. What's currently in use cannot work on pure nerve tissue, that's why pulling a tooth's nerve is so painful, even with local anasthetics. But no, can't have that. A good shot of Tramaldan would also be a good idea. But no, can't have that either. You know, drugs are bad. Except the ones sold by the pharmacy industry.

      Yeah, right, just like you're not allowed to use opiates in hospitals for pain killing because heroin's illegal. Oh, wait...

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    32. Re:I'm postponing buying toothpaste by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I admire the sheer horniness of you youngsters. When I go to the dentist's I wouldn't notice if all the staff were stark naked and looked like the dead-eyed one off Firefly that everyone here thinks is hot..

      Primeval fear makes my genitals shrink.

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    33. Re:I'm postponing buying toothpaste by mikechant · · Score: 1

      my dentist trying to directly freeze my brain stem or something with a needle the size of a drinking straw and then STILL feeling it kinda gets on the nerves.

      I always request no anaesthetic for fillings; after 40 years of dental work on my teeth, I've concluded it's much less traumatic than the injections (which have made me bawl like a baby, and on one occasion given me a 2 week long nasal drip), and you don't bite big chunks out of your inside cheeks while waiting for it to wear off.

      However, my teeth have been drilled *a lot* and that seems to destroy or desensitise the nerves, so it may be that I can stand no-anaesthetic drilling more than is typical.

    34. Re:I'm postponing buying toothpaste by wzzzzrd · · Score: 1

      Is this about hospitals? No. Is this about killing pain in general? No.

      Is this about Why, oh fucking Why does this dentist stuff still hurt so much? Yes.

      I've spoken to a few dentists, and I know that it is impossible for them to get licenses or other means to use the stuff legally hospitals have at their fingertips (Novocaine, Tramal, even Metamizol). That's my (special) complaint. My general complaint is, as always, not that the pharmaceutic industry is fucked up, but that it is fucked up to have such an industry. If there's one place where Socialism naturally fits into any society, it's help and health. Nothing else does it mean when Mr. Spock tells you to "live long and prosper".

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    35. Re:I'm postponing buying toothpaste by peawormsworth · · Score: 1

      One time the dentist accidently squirted some novocaine onto my tongue before injecting it into my cheek. After a couple minutes while he was working on me I had to stop him... because there was something large that had falling into my mouth. Turns out it was my tongue that I could no longer identify as my own.

    36. Re:I'm postponing buying toothpaste by badkarmadayaccount · · Score: 1

      Try another local anesthetic - sometimes the liver does it's job too well.

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    37. Re:I'm postponing buying toothpaste by badkarmadayaccount · · Score: 1

      Gene therapy is going to be quicker and more effective. We know which genes correspond to not needing a dentist. The have been well tested and perfected.

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  7. Not mutually exclusive. by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

    A little from column A, a little from column B.

    1. Re:Not mutually exclusive. by Kelbear · · Score: 3, Informative

      I like to try to stay reasonably well-informed relative to the general population, but I still needed about 2 hours of looking up summary articles and digging through wikipedia entries to make any goddamn sense of what was actually discovered, and what importance it has to progress in physics research. My highschool science classes never discussed anything below the atomic level. I had absolutely no awareness of where the Higgs Boson was theoretically supposed to fit into the "Standard Model" since I'd never even heard of the Standard Model either.

      Pretty sure the vast majority of the population still has no clue what the Higgs Boson hullaballoo entails. It's easy for misinformation to propagate on this subject because the audience has virtually no context.

    2. Re:Not mutually exclusive. by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Informative

      That's why lots of sites had articles like this.

      If you ignored the obvious idiot sites, I thought the general reaction to the Higgs Boson was pretty good. Idiot sites like ABC, CBC, MSNBC and CNN.

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    3. Re:Not mutually exclusive. by jfengel · · Score: 1

      The problem, I think, is that this is on the frontiers of science. There isn't any layman's explanation for this, not one that ends with "... and that's how it relates to your daily life."

      People assume that the physicists have some special insight into the meaning of life because they work with the most fundamental bits of the universe. If there's a philosophical implication here, it's just that the score is now: "Science: 235,593,935,914. Religion: 0" on matters of how the universe operates. But they've kind of been running up the score for a while, and anybody who still takes the Bible seriously as a physics textbook is too brain-damage to educate.

      And it's also quite clear that fundamental physics isn't going to give you any insights into the meaning of life. I don't think religion does, either, but at least physics isn't going to actively tell you that it's wrong, and the physicists have no special answers. It's time to stop looking at them as priests, and their pronouncements from Geneva are important but won't give you the answers you're after.

      The only other option is technology, but nobody wanted to take "no" for an answer. Yes, quantum mechanics has had some incredible unpredicted applications. If people had tried to make predictions, they'd have been wrong; if they'd predicted what we did get, we'd have called them stupid. So don't talk about it.

      So, we've got a bunch of scientists who are unfairly raised to the status of oracles, which completely misses the actual value of their work. I don't think the Standard Model is going to get more than a passing mention in high school textbooks, as a way of grounding chemistry, but that's it.

    4. Re:Not mutually exclusive. by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 1

      You know, I've read a few articles written by reputable scientists who felt that this "discovery" is one of the least significant ones... the justification being that it doesn't give us any abilities we didn't have before and it doesn't in any way drive us to act differently than we do now.

      I've yet to see anything that demonstrates that their work HAS any value. I would like to... I've looked, but have yet to find anything that elevates this above the level of naval gazing.

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    5. Re:Not mutually exclusive. by jfengel · · Score: 1

      I'd say it's not wrong to call it navel-gazing. Physics occasionally turns its navel-gazing into technology, and when it does, the results are stunning because they're completely unexpected. It's rather naive to assume it will happen again.

      The best you can say is that it's paid off enough in the past that it's worth the expense to give it another go, but you can't really quantify the odds and it's not really the reason people do it. They do it because it's not just navel-gazing, it's the ultimate navel-gazing. People are fascinated by their origins and the Standard Model is part of the road to figuring that out.

      In some ways it more closely resembles the value of art than the value of technology. It's something civilized cultures do because they enjoy it, rather than because they're compelled to. But for those who don't feel compelled, they're probably not wrong to say it's a waste of their money. (They may actually be wrong about that, as the huge wins of quantum mechanics demonstrate. But I won't be so naive as to pretend it's a guarantee.)

    6. Re:Not mutually exclusive. by cusco · · Score: 2

      I'm more of the opinion that the problem lies on the 'frontiers of journalism'. The days of investigative journalists and science journalists are long gone, at least in the US (and unfortunately they're winding down in the UK and Canada as well). There used to be a day when you would look at the newstand in the grocery store and see actual news, but today if it doesn't feature one of the Kardashian sluts or Tom Cruise the only place to buy it is on the back rack at the book store.

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    7. Re:Not mutually exclusive. by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I'm more of the opinion that the problem lies on the 'frontiers of journalism'. The days of investigative journalists and science journalists are long gone, at least in the US (and unfortunately they're winding down in the UK and Canada as well). There used to be a day when you would look at the newstand in the grocery store and see actual news, but today if it doesn't feature one of the Kardashian sluts or Tom Cruise the only place to buy it is on the back rack at the book store.

      My daily newspaper in the Uk is The Guardian (paper and/or online). It seldom features stories about the Kardashians or Tom Cruise except in one of its entertainment sections like Lost in Showbiz. ( I say "seldom" rather than "never" as there is always the hope that one of them will die a tragically amusing death and thus warrant being on the front news page.)

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  8. Could be... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Could be that the book by Leon Lederman in 1993 which was going to be entitled "That Goddamn Particle" got turned into "The God Particle" by his publisher. Typical disregard for fact in favor of sensationalism to promote sales.

    1. Re:Could be... by rilles · · Score: 5, Funny

      As an atheist, I cannot accept the existence of a god particle. Now if you call it the particle known as 42, then I'm good.

    2. Re:Could be... by sandytaru · · Score: 1

      This is actually a true story, albeit tongue in cheek from Leon Lederman. Not his fault everyone took it seriously when it was changed to the "God" particle by the publishers. Calling it the "chocolate chip" particle makes just as much sense (as it is a condensed form of chocolate in the sea of the chocolate chip cookie field.)

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    3. Re:Could be... by scubamage · · Score: 3, Funny

      I propose we rename the Higgs Boson "the spaghetti particle" or "the noodley particle" or to be truly sensational, "the pirate particle." Though I do suppose that "the invisible pink particle" would also be appropriate.

    4. Re:Could be... by bmo · · Score: 1

      I would rather call it the Ninja Particle, because it's only there for a little while and we don't detect it directly, only its effects as it disappears.

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    5. Re:Could be... by CanHasDIY · · Score: 2

      I propose we rename the Higgs Boson "the spaghetti particle" or "the noodley particle" or to be truly sensational, "the pirate particle." Though I do suppose that "the invisible pink particle" would also be appropriate.

      I like "Pirate Particle."

      Maybe the RIAA will try and sue it.

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    6. Re:Could be... by ceoyoyo · · Score: 2

      In modern field theory a "particle" could just as well be described as "the tip of a noodly appendage, poking through into reality."

    7. Re:Could be... by jpate · · Score: 1
    8. Re:Could be... by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      That is what I figured... It would get a lot less press if it had a boring nick name. But "The God Particle" brings up ideas in peoples head, if this is found then we understand the Universe!. Atheists who do not follow science carefully (Yes they do exist) liked the idea of the Ultimate Evidence That There isn't a God. Because if there are any questions on why the Universe works we still keep open the possibility of God.

      The Religious Who do not follow science carefully (Yes they do exist... Duh!) Kinda like the fact the particle couldn't be found. Now that it was they are digging to the science to try to explain how this isn't the disproof of God.

      Most of the hoopla isn't about getting a better upstanding on Mass and Gravity... But making their readers feel better about their views of the world.

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    9. Re:Could be... by HornWumpus · · Score: 2

      What are noodly appendages but strings?

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    10. Re:Could be... by Translation+Error · · Score: 1

      Very well. In consideration of your sensibilities, we shall henceforth refer to it as 'the particle formerly known as God'.

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    11. Re:Could be... by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Depends on how the higher dimensional noodly appendage intersects our hyperplane. String, particle, cone, all different sections of the same object.

    12. Re:Could be... by outsider007 · · Score: 1

      I still think "The Priest Particle" because it gives mass.

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    13. Re:Could be... by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      There are noodly appendages in every quark, vibrating. The extra dimensions are rolled up tight.

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  9. Three Words by MightyMartian · · Score: 2

    Science journalism sucks.

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    1. Re:Three Words by gmuslera · · Score: 1

      I would reduce that to 2 words: Hanlon's Razor

    2. Re:Three Words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mainstream science journalism sucks.
       
       
      Fixed that for you.
       
      When it comes right down to it the masses are easily fooled. Too many people get heady about crap they see on The Science Channel and on the mainstream news. Too many people think that a blurb or sound-bite is a fair summery of a science paper. Too many think that they know a subject until they're challenged to answer questions on the subject.
       
      I have a nephew that's like that. All about light science and his friends think he's the smartest kid on the block. One asked me how much he really knew about what he babbled on about endlessly and I told them to study up on it and call him out about his supposed knowledge. I don't know if they ever did but he really needed one of his peers to make him eat crow.

    3. Re:Three Words by Thud457 · · Score: 1

      two other words : Sturgeon's law


      Allthough in the case of /., it should be amended to read "at least 90% of everything is crap"

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    4. Re:Three Words by tehcyder · · Score: 1
      I still think it's better to know a bit about a lot of things than nothing about most things. There's far too much stuff out there to be knowledgeable about everything.

      Sometime during the Renaissance it became impossible for one person to have read all the books in the world.

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  10. Because: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Everyone at CERN, as per usual, but with a little more enthusiasm, was getting gossipy about the 4th (as far back as a few weeks), they were handjobbing the media, but yes, with more gusto, more finesse in the wrist if you will. Hornily leaking things over Skype phone calls, I kid you not, I have an audio file of it.

  11. Find me a story and trivialise it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Its just the usual gutter-press SOP.

    Now anyone and their dog can publish "news" and "comment", d'you think that we're going to get intelligent and well thought out reporting? Eh?

  12. Re:Microsoft helped majorly in the project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, that must be why CERN used Linux. So then MS shill, let's see MS's contributions...

  13. Because Lederman nicknamed it "the god particle" by nedlohs · · Score: 5, Informative

    And journalists are morons.

  14. Why? by ackthpt · · Score: 1

    It's been a slow news Summer.

    Unless you have a thick enough skin to get involved in the US election campaigns, which are like droning, dull soap opera.

    Come to think about it .. that's probably why Higgs-Boson was so exciting - it's a diversion from the horror or the rest of the news.

    Higgs-Boson Party at my house! Beer! Party hats! Quantum Physics! Whooo!

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    1. Re:Why? by Fatch+Racall · · Score: 2

      Higgs-Boson Party at my house! Beer! Party hats! Quantum Physics! Whooo!

      ...I'm uncertain about Quantum Physics...

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    2. Re:Why? by Nadaka · · Score: 3, Funny

      Higgs-Boson Party at my house! Beer! Party hats! Quantum Physics! Whooo!

      ...I'm uncertain about Quantum Physics...

      That is just her stripper name.

    3. Re:Why? by jstave · · Score: 2

      Aha! *Now* I understand why everyone is talking about the Higgs Bosom!

    4. Re:Why? by fatphil · · Score: 1

      > Higgs-Boson Party at my house!

      Bring a vessel whose bottom matches the Higgs Potential surface!

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  15. God particle by techstar25 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Calling Higgs boson "The God Particle" is probably the greatest marketing decision in the history of science.

    1. Re:God particle by synapse7 · · Score: 1

      That was my conclusion, the stories created great traffic.

    2. Re:God particle by PPH · · Score: 5, Informative

      It wasn't the decision of the physicists. Leon Lederman originally wanted to title his book the goddamn particle, but the publisher wouldn't allow it.

      Peter Higgs isn't happy with the name either.

      Slashdot editors could do the world service by revising the name to its original whenever it appears here. Perhaps the rest of the world will pick up on the change.

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    3. Re:God particle by Millennium · · Score: 1

      Of course the publisher wouldn't allow "the goddamn particle." You wouldn't want Batman suing you for infringement.

    4. Re:God particle by DaysSinceTheDoor · · Score: 0

      Whenever I hear someone say this I always correct them. I tell them it is actually the Odin particle. That it is the presumption of the common man to believe it proves the existence of the Jewdeo-Christian god. Amazingly some people actually believe me.

    5. Re:God particle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This.

    6. Re:God particle by Ogive17 · · Score: 1

      Yep, that will work just as well as the British Parliment renaming Big Ben to Elizabeth Tower. Once mainstream, it's nearly impossible to kill it.

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    7. Re:God particle by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      It's obviously the Thor particle, after that hammer that's so heavy.

    8. Re:God particle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But they're not renaming Big Ben, Big Ben isn't the name of the tower... oh good call.

    9. Re:God particle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      See also "Quantum Teleportation".

  16. Re:Microsoft helped majorly in the project by Rtrtr · · Score: 0

    I am not the GP, but Microsoft uses Linux too. Microsoft provided research to CERN, not OS. CERN probably used Linux because it's highly customizable. Windows is too, but not to that extend, and it suits Microsoft just fine. Unlike FOSS zealots, they understand the importance of using right tool for the job.

  17. The usual people misunderstanding science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It's really just a terrible name calling it the "God" particle. It's only called that because the publishers wouldn't let Lederman publish with the title "The Goddam Particle" which would 'offend' people. It's too bad people don't read the actual CERN report, which was very good and accurate. Nothing like letting the mainstream news fudge everything up as always.

  18. Those stories aren't nearly as crazy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...as the actual science.

  19. Re:Microsoft helped majorly in the project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    CERN datacenters run Linux..... the fact that Microsoft research also runs Linux servers is no surprise. Its all about using the right tool for the job. They could have crunched numbers on iPad's but it would have just taken longer so why do it.

  20. Simple: Stupid sells by iceaxe · · Score: 2

    Stupid sells even better than sex.

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    1. Re:Simple: Stupid sells by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is simple:

      1. This is really deep, pure science stuff we're talking about. The layman has no way of comprehending what it means.
      2. A vast wave of anti-science sentiments in the US is making the stupid portion of the people very afraid of things they simply don't, can't, or refuse to understand.
      3. The Large Hadron Collider cost a really bigly huge amount of money to build, largely at taxpayer expense.
      4. The stupid portion of the US has been taught to be afraid of any and all taxpayer expenses due to very flaky-at-best, blatantly-lying-at-worst reasoning that can be distilled down to even-less-accurate spoon-fed soundbites for the teevee crowd.
      5. The stupid portion of the US has a very difficult time comprehending that all of this happened in another country with THAT country's taxpayer dollars, not the US's. They also have a very difficult time comprehending that this other country's currency isn't specified in "dollars". Heck, they have a very difficult time comprehending the concept of other countries besides the US.
      6. Find a relationship between point 2 and points 1 and 5. That's double the fear of the unknown! TRIPLE if you include point 4!
      7. Add a desire by the spoonfeeders to desperately have something, anything, GOOD LORD, ANYTHING AT ALL populating their media outlets (read: the teevee) 24/7 for their own advertising profits. Thus, they'll air anything if it means the stupid portion of the US will sit and watch it.
      8. Hey, presto, you've got an endless supply of crazy stories playing off the fear and/or desires of very stupid people, nearly all of them originating from the US!

  21. Crazy by necro81 · · Score: 1

    I count as "crazy" any story that referred to the Higgs boson as the "God Particle."

  22. Re:Because Lederman nicknamed it "the god particle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When it comes to quantum physics, almost everyone is a moron.

  23. Seriously. Check out this crazy: by circletimessquare · · Score: 4, Insightful

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/08/opinion/sunday/q-and-a-the-higgs-boson-and-you.html

    ...

    Q. Will the discovery affect everyday life?

    A. Well, duhhh.

    Q. Hey, I’m not a science-y person, O.K.?

    A. Sorry. The answer is absolutely. Sort of. Well, yes and no.

    Q. Can you be like a little more specific?

    A. For starters, you’re going to be hearing the phrase “Higgs boson” about 800 trillion times. You’ll be at a cocktail party talking about the Kardashians and someone will say, “OMG, Higgs boson!” and you’ll go, “No, no, no — please, no more with the Higgs boson.” So there’s that. Plus this Halloween, every other trick-or-treater is going to be dressed as — guess what? — the Higgs boson. What else? Ten bucks says Al Gore claims he discovered it. Another 10 says Mitt Romney picks it as his running mate. Romney-Higgs boson. Dream ticket. So, yes, it’s going to affect your everyday life. My advice? Deal with it.

    Don't even try to read the rest of it, unless you like wasting your time.

    Based on this famous quote:

    “Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people.” -Eleanor Roosevelt

    That would put this sort of annoying Higgs boson chatter squarely in the realm of average minds.

    They can usually come up with something good to say about events most of us understand. But they can't understand the Higgs boson. Doesn't matter: the media is all about generating copy, this is the highest imperative. Making sense is secondary. And so not understanding doesn't prevent them from trying to say something. Nor should it, according to the logic of their profession, since the logic of their profession says the editorial has to be filed on time, the column must fit so many square inches of space, the front page must have timely links about today's news.

    And so they all come up with this WHARRGARBL like the NY Times story above. Welcome to the media industry.

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    1. Re:Seriously. Check out this crazy: by mwvdlee · · Score: 1

      “Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people.” -Eleanor Roosevelt

      Surely this counts as irony?

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    2. Re:Seriously. Check out this crazy: by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

      absolutely. we are here on slashdot, doing the same thing

      but we pretend at least to understand the topic

      having said that, now that you've pierced the irony... please don't pierce the hypocrisy! ;-)

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    3. Re:Seriously. Check out this crazy: by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      that new york times article was the best article about it I've read, beyond the news of the original discovery which essentially boiled down to one line, that they found it (with good probability).

      seriously, how many valuable discussions about higgs-boson have you had ever, before or after this? even if you hang out with university faculty the chances are pretty much nil, you probably read and understood as much as you can from an article and the discussions boil down just to "cool shit man!".

      at least it's truthful and it's pretty much saying exactly what your comment on it is saying: that everyone is fucking mentioning it without having any idea how it relates to fucking anything and you're going to be sick and tired about it. it works as a proof for a theory and that's it, the theory itself still doesn't give us any tools to do anything but it's still valuable to know there's proof.

      it's something that was dumped a lot of money to find and a lot of time to find, so newspapers feel obligated to write about it and that's nice and all, but there's really not that much to write about it.

      just waiting for the first higgs-boson bathhouse that sells hb-baths to regenerate your skin.

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    4. Re:Seriously. Check out this crazy: by flanders123 · · Score: 1
      The story you linked is supposed to be funny. It is satirical take on the media's generally terrible explanations of the Higgs Boson. The author is a known satire writer.

      “Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people.” -Eleanor Roosevelt

      They can usually come up with something good to say about events most of us understand. But they can't understand the Higgs boson

      Oh I see what you did there. You do get satire! ... Right?

    5. Re:Seriously. Check out this crazy: by necro81 · · Score: 3, Informative

      And so they all come up with this WHARRGARBL like the NY Times story above.

      It was in the Opinion section, written by a prolific satirist. Can't take a joke, can you?

    6. Re:Seriously. Check out this crazy: by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

      ok, got it, thanks for the heads up

      then he should stick to his day job, as that was weak sauce

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    7. Re:Seriously. Check out this crazy: by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

      no, i didn't get it, i didn't catch that.

      you and someone else in this thread pointed me out to who buckley is

      (egg on face)

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    8. Re:Seriously. Check out this crazy: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is that no one understands the Higgs. Odds are, 99% of the physics geeks in this comments page don't understand it. I know what it's purported to do, but no clue of the mechanism by which it does it, and I'm not even remotely smart enough to come up with theories. That means that unless you're in the smartest upper echelon of scientific thought right now, you're stuck squarely in the "discussing events" segment. You think it's great that we've discovered it, and you're sure it could lead to anti-gravity guns and flying cars, but you don't know how.

      This seems to me like a big problem that science has now that it hasn't had before. You can't explain the discovery to the people who paid for you to make it. At least you could explain the polio vaccine and radioactivity and the electron. It's hard to understand this in terms of building better mouse traps, and in the absence of that kind of information, the only thing left to print is to say "God particle" over and over and over.

    9. Re:Seriously. Check out this crazy: by jc42 · · Score: 1

      There have been a number of attempts to find humor in this story. Has anyone heard any good Higgs Boson jokes?

      So far the best one I've heard is a take-off on the growing body of "... walks into a bar ..." jokes:

      A Higgs boson walks into a (Catholic) church, but the priest says "Hey, we don't allow Higgs bosons in here!". The HB replies "So how can you have mass without me?"

      There's gotta be some others ...

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  24. Next Frontier by thygate · · Score: 2

    Perhaps it shows how much people are waiting for the next frontier to happen. You know .. space ships and robot hookers ... in fact .. forget about the spaceships.

  25. The science is above the heads of many folks by sandytaru · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I wanted to be a theoretical physicist when I grew up (oh, childhood dreams) and I've got an above average understanding of particle physics just from my general fascination with the subject. Even I have a tough time grasping the nitty gritty details of the Higgs field. The sensationalism stems from 1. The general population not understanding particle physics and 2. The general population not understanding the nature of the announcement. The Higgs wasn't so much discovered as it was confirmed to be exactly where we expected it to be all along. No new technology will come out of this so much as our understanding of the universe has been strengthened considerably - we're on the right track with the Standard Model after all.

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    1. Re:The science is above the heads of many folks by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2

      we're on the right track with the Standard Model after all

      Well, several models that describe the Standard Model get thrown out, and a few remain. Zero or one of them can be correct, so now the next experiments can be drawn up to eliminate each of them.

      AIUI, all we definitely know is that there is a particle at one of the predicted energies for the Higgs, and it exhibits some Higgs-like properties. We don't know yet whether any of the higher-predicted energy Higgs also exist, though since the one that has been found exists at just about the minimum energy that it needs to for a stable universe like ours, it does seems likely that there wouldn't also be higher-energy solutions.

      And the LHC doesn't yet have the energy to explore many of the higher energy particles yet, so we could still get more interesting Higgs science out of it over the next decade.

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  26. Journalists are not scientists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Journalists don't understand any of this, that's the simple truth. Its just gibberish which they copy verbatim and add any old bullshit they can find to it.

    Bottom line, its the result of an extremely poor education system.

  27. Re:Microsoft helped majorly in the project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So what does this discussion have to do with open/closed source again?

  28. Next Headline by DeathToBill · · Score: 1

    SCIENCE JOURNALISTS KNOW LESS SCIENCE THAN GEORGE W BUSH

    But it's not exactly news, is it? Science journalism works like this:

    1 Scientist writes paper about the biodiversity of the average suburban house
    2 Press officer at scientist's institution is bored and decides to read paper
    3 Press officer gets through three words of the paper before going to ask scientist for a canned summary
    4 Scientist writes a 20 word canned summary highlighting the unexpected variety of creatures to be found in the average household and how this is a good thing for preventing the onset of various respiratory illnesses in children
    5 Press officer cuts the canned summary down to four words and runs it backwards through a thesaurus
    6 Journalist reads the remaining four words, which are probably "Mutant Bacteria Infest Drawers" and write an article with the headline "ALIEN STD THREAT".
    7 ???
    8 Profit!

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    1. Re:Next Headline by DeathToBill · · Score: 1

      And, anyway, they all seem to have missed the point that finding the Higgs thingy isn't very interesting in itself, except that it proves that the Higgs Field exists.

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  29. What's in a name... by at_slashdot · · Score: 1

    It's obviously because of the name, I think it would have been better for the name to remain "Goddamned particle"... also prepare for similar reaction if they call a particle "the Devil's particle".

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  30. Re:Because Lederman nicknamed it "the god particle by mwvdlee · · Score: 4, Funny

    Everybody is actually both a moron and a genius at the same time, until observed.

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  31. Re:Because Lederman nicknamed it "the god particle by Necroman · · Score: 3, Informative

    I wish I has karma to give you, as I was coming to say the same thing.

    The wikipedia entry on the Higgs Boson has some quotes from the author who nicknamed the Higgs Boson "the god particle":

    While use of this term may have contributed to increased media interest, many scientists dislike it, since it is sensational and overstates the particle's importance. Its discovery would still leave unanswered questions about the unification of quantum chromodynamics, the electroweak interaction, and gravity, as well as the ultimate origin of the universe. Higgs, an atheist himself, is displeased that the Higgs particle is nicknamed the "God particle", because the term "might offend people who are religious".

    Lederman said he gave it a nickname because the particle is "so central to the state of physics today, so crucial to our understanding of the structure of matter, yet so elusive," and added that he chose "the God particle" because "the publisher wouldn't let us call it the Goddamn Particle, though that might be a more appropriate title, given its villainous nature and the expense it is causing."

    I understand he did it so his book had a catchy title, but the media decided to go crazy when talking about it. Sure, it's a big discovery to physicists and understanding how our universe works, it really shouldn't be receiving the coverage it's getting. There is just too many ignorant reporters trying to explain something, which is creating a lot of mis-information.

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  33. Re:Microsoft helped majorly in the project by scubamage · · Score: 1

    poor trolling, mostly.

  34. Two words by k(wi)r(kipedia) · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Journalism sucks. But let me qualify. Science journalism and journalism in general suck when they're written to beat the deadline in attempt to be "fresh" or "hot off the press" (conference). You can picture the reporter emailing his or her story to the editorial department and the editor, finding the report, a bit dull decides to sex it up just a little, adding "factoids" lifted from Google or Wikipedia (the two not being mutually exclusive) or making snappy generalizations that can reduce to two or three words WTF the whole event is about.

    Let's be honest, which would you rather read: "God particle may explain creation" or "CERN scientists discover new subatomic particle"?

    A common trick in newspaper headlines is to give off the impression of certainty where there is none. When you read something like "500 feared dead" the day after a disaster, you can be sure that the "500" is an approximation that most likely came from some random bloke or bureaucart.

    Wait a few more weeks or months, and the science reporting will get more sober.

    1. Re:Two words by MightyMartian · · Score: 3, Informative

      I don't read most science journalism anymore. It's too infuriating. Following the exploration of the Higgs particle, I've going to Professor Matt Strassler's blog http://profmattstrassler.com/ where he has gone over a good many of the issues in reasonably easy to follow language. Since he's at CERN, he's well placed to write sensible articles on the matter.

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    2. Re:Two words by moeinvt · · Score: 1

      I deliberately skipped over any "news" that mentioned "god particle". If you believe in $deity why would there be only one particle that fit this description?

    3. Re:Two words by mikiN · · Score: 1

      1: You believe in $deity
      2: There must be more than one God
      3: Larry Wall said: "There's more than one way to do it"
      Ergo: Larry Wall is (a) God, and the Camel Book is His Bible.

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  35. Re:Because Lederman nicknamed it "the god particle by Trent+Hawkins · · Score: 1

    any one who thinks they understand quantum mechanics doesn't understand quantum mechanics

  36. Because... by bmo · · Score: 2

    American journalists are idiots when it comes to science reporting. They even fail at the "Mr. Wizard" level of science. It's truly abysmal.

    And I took so long typing this, because I could not find the series of physics programs I grew up with as a kid in the early 70s. They involved a quite intense physics professor, and he used phrases like "boys and girls" when explaining things like magnetism and diamagnetism or thermal expansion and had this ... unique way of pronouncing "thermometer" as "thermal meter"

    It was on WGBH and it was a Canadian import.

    Halp. This is driving me nuts.

    But anyway, I was going to say that journalists also fail at that level too.

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    1. Re:Because... by stilbon · · Score: 1

      I believe you're thinking of The Hilarious House of Frightenstein. If memory serves 'The Professor' was Julius Sumner Miller.

    2. Re:Because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      American journalists are idiots when it comes to science reporting. They even fail at the "Mr. Wizard" level of science. It's truly abysmal.

      I could not find the series of physics programs I grew up with as a kid in the early 70s. They involved a quite intense physics professor, and he used phrases like "boys and girls" when explaining things like magnetism and diamagnetism or thermal expansion and had this ... unique way of pronouncing "thermometer" as "thermal meter"

      It was on WGBH and it was a Canadian import.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Sumner_Miller

    3. Re:Because... by bmo · · Score: 1

      Thank you! That's the very person! And the name of the show was "Demonstrations in Physics"!

      You can't believe how fucking buried that was when I went looking for "science television children" and related searches in google and got all sorts of science fiction.

      Gah!

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    4. Re:Because... by bmo · · Score: 1

      You are correct on the name, but here it was known as "Demonstrations in Physics" on WGBH channel 2, which in the old days was a slightly snowy signal from Boston, but we were glad to have it down in southern Rhode Island.

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    5. Re:Because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you mean Julius Sunder-Miller (I'm taking a guess at the spelling here)

    6. Re:Because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Professor Julius Sumner Miller ?
      ("Why is it so?")

    7. Re:Because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Search on YouTube for "Julius Sumner Miller"

      Physics is his business!

    8. Re:Because... by Otterspocket · · Score: 1

      Halp. This is driving me nuts.

      But anyway, I was going to say that journalists also fail at that level too.

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  37. Remember this the next time by decoy256 · · Score: 1

    Remember how horribly stupid the media/news is about things they don't understand next time there is a story about the "right-wing" or they use eye-grabbing words and phrases like "fundamentalists" and the like. Chances are facts are blown out of proportion, details distort or flat out omitted, and everything is phrased in the most extreme way possible.

    Just as most scientific discoveries (like the Higgs boson) are rather mundane (by comparison to what the media/news tries to sell us) so are most people. That includes people... most people only want to be left alone to raise their family, do their work, and live life happily. Sure, there is the occasional true story about crazy people who do and believe crazy things, but those are so extremely rare that they do not deserve the excessive amount of attention they get.

    1. Re:Remember this the next time by readin · · Score: 1

      Agree. I don't whether the number of journalists who are scientists is more than or less than the the number of journalists who are conservatives, but in both cases the number is pretty small.

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  38. we all want to understand G-d... by dAzED1 · · Score: 1
    (tongue in cheek...)

    we all want to understand G-d, and will even claim understanding. Thus, per the very nature of our being, we have theories about the H-B ;)

  39. Money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Many people have trouble rationalizing the billions (trillions?) of dollars in expenses attributed to the LHC just to prove what we already knew to be true, and so have little trouble constructing absurd mythologies around the experiments.

    1. Re:Money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We did not know it to be true already, the LHC was built to test our ideas and see if we are on the right track.

    2. Re:Money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To clarify: we knew our assumptions to be true to any reasonable degree of certainty. I am not trying to assert that the expenditure was unnecessary; rather, I am simply pointing out that many people will be able to understand /why/ we needed to prove our work.

    3. Re:Money by f()rK()_Bomb · · Score: 1

      Trillions? Please. It only cost 10 billion. Basically pocket change for most of the countries involved in the project.

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  40. Thats the problem! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The problem with science today is it seems more concerned about disproving God rather than solving the mysteries of the universe, etc..

    1. Re:Thats the problem! by hazah · · Score: 1

      Pretty sure they don't care about the question one way or the other.

  41. cannot be otherwise by f3r · · Score: 1

    (senior quantum physicist)
    "may be one of the most important scientific discoveries ever"
    BS. Science does not evolve by critical jumps made by one person in one tiny micro-region of science space. It evolves by hordes of scientists opening new fronts all over. (comment: it might well be the most expensive and publicised in the whole history of science, though)

    "Is the particle's discovery just on the fringe of common scientific knowledge"
    Isn't that 100% redundant? every discovery is at the fringe by definition.

    Some days ago I was telling a friend that every time my parents come with a "hey, have you heard about (...) scientific discovery?" it takes me at least 10 minutes to relate the newspaper's title to the real news, even if the news belong to my field of research. Even if journalists were not interested in sensationalizing the news, and even if they were not complete idiots, which I am sorry to know they are, they could NEVER post reasonable scientific news, because they do not understand the content. No matter how much you try to explain the Higgs mechanism, lay people are never going to understand it, you need the maths for that, no way around. They could grasp some fairy-tale-ishly drawn picture of an approximate explanation, but never the reality. This is such an obvious concept to people who are expert at a given field: you can only understand what you know about, in other fields you are just like a little baby wandering in the dark.

    But, hey, let's keep with the false illusion that being mediocre and ignorant is no problem at all.

  42. Craziness proportional to lack of understanding by TheSkepticalOptimist · · Score: 1

    The concept of the Higgs Boson is undeniably part of a branch of physics that the average person barely understands. In a society where concepts and values have to be expressed in terms of "real world" metaphors, like "The length of 6 football fields", or "The amount of concrete used could build a sidewalk from Boston to New York", or "Faster then NASCAR!", instead of just reporting on the fact that Higgs Boson was discovered reporters felt obligated to "enrich" their reporting by suggesting what could be done with the Higgs Boson discovery, including references to Star Trek.

    The bottom line is that the average person (i.e. American) would think, "Wow, they actually achieved something useful and exciting" rather then the typical "Why dey gone done blowin my dough on da shit".

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  43. Both by Dracos · · Score: 1

    The options presented in the post here are not mutually exclusive, and are probably both true. The general population is uneducated about science. News reporting sucks; science reporting is especially dumbed down, if not saturated with speculation and lack of comprehension of the topic.

  44. Re:Microsoft helped majorly in the project by Jeng · · Score: 2
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  45. Simple answers by aglider · · Score: 1

    1. it's the current buzzword
    2. it's cool
    3. it's (mostly) European stuff
    4. there's nothing more interesting at the moment

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  46. Because people are stupid. by Arancaytar · · Score: 2

    Case closed.

    1. Re:Because people are stupid. by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      And you fit right in, dontcha?

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  47. Somewhat Boring: Our model predicted it correctly by Theovon · · Score: 3, Interesting

    First of all, what was found is a particle with the same MASS as that predicted by the standard model. They haven't yet confirmed spin or other properties. But what this amounts to is confirmation of what was already suspected. Unfortunately, this isn't all that helpful, because we already know that the standard model doesn't predict everything correctly. If we hadn't found the Higgs Boson, then perhaps it would have helped us to fix the standard model. As it is, this can't help us improve the standard model. In other words, this is great, and it's nice to know that brilliant scientists in the past century were right, but it isn't any kind of revolutionary progress.

  48. It's all about an imposter Higgs Boson by 3seas · · Score: 1

    http://www.thebunsenburner.com/news/a-higgs-boson-impostor-thats-the-theory-put-forward-by-physicists/

    Besides if the Higgs Boson verified no energy is lost than in our ever increasing expanding universe no new energy is created and we will eventually expand into nothing as we stretch and thin out all the energy to where its ... well no one to notice it.

  49. Sensationalism knows no bounds by J'raxis · · Score: 1

    As if this kind of sensationalistic ignorance is confined to the Higgs discovery. Here is a similar example of a recent article by a NASA "science" writer. I can't even fathom what kind of leap of ignorance it takes to frame the relatively banal topic of connections between the Earth and Sun's magnetic field in terms of sci-fi "portals" (as in wormholes), but there you have it.

  50. Re:Microsoft helped majorly in the project by f3r · · Score: 1

    Microsoft provided research to CERN, not OS. .

    evidence please?

    CERN probably used Linux because it's highly customizable.

    LOL. Playing adult games with baby toys? Sure you do not even begin to grasp the computational tasks that are to be done in order to make a 5 sigma discovery of such heavy particle. You probably have a desktop-level knowledge of OSes, dont you? you could check the numbers, like data flow, amount of storage, flops etc which are needed in CERN...

    Unlike FOSS zealots, they understand the importance of using right tool for the job

    sorry to wake you up from your nice dreams, Linux is the only tool used in serious science, unless propietary hardware suffers from the windows lock-down. That's why you'll see more windows boxes in labs than in theory departments (in fact it is rather hard to see a theorist using anything but linux)

  51. Journalism by benjfowler · · Score: 1

    Piss poor science reporting, is likely due to the shit-for-brains idiots we jokingly call "journalists".

    Bearing in mind here, that "media studies graduate" is a perjorative phrase for something a bit dense from a well-off background, who had Mummy and Daddy pay their way though university, and ended up doing a soft-option humanities course as a prelude to working as a "writer" or "journalist"; because they were too stupid and dishonest to try anything more challenging or of any social utility whatsoever.

    I suspect too, that journalists are arrogant and conceited enough that that think they, as the gatekeepers between the news and the public at large, have the brains and skills to write all the news, whereas they are hopelessly ill equipped to handle anything even remotely technical. The last few years has taught the world how many "newsworthy stories" can break, that NO-ONE has the slightest clue about. The global financial crisis has been described as the first major disaster that nobody understood. We see this time, and time, and time again. Distortions, fantasy, inanity and outright lies on everything from finance and politics, to nuclear energy and particle physics.

    Contributing to this is the fraudulent and dishonest postmodernist garbage that humanities types are so fond of. Because to these stupid pricks, the strange implications of quantum mechanics sounds so similar to the made-up garbage they're used to, they take it as a license to simply bullshit and make stuff up.

    Idiocracy is upon it, because the gatekeepers of our public life, journalists, are so consistently, uniformly shit.

    1. Re:Journalism by lennier · · Score: 1

      The global financial crisis has been described as the first major disaster that nobody understood.

      Arguably that's exactly why it became a disaster in the first place.

      Though I think "the first" is pushing it a bit. World War I pretty much fits into the same category.

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  52. Re:Because Lederman nicknamed it "the god particle by q.kontinuum · · Score: 1

    "Si tacuisses, philosophus fuisses" - Because this quantum wave easily collapses in the presence of human voice ;-)

    Btw.: Since English is not my native language, can anyone tell me an appropriate English proverb?

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  53. Journalists are over the edge by hAckz0r · · Score: 2
    Considering that we havent verified anything yet, these stories really make Science look cheap.

    "We interpret the new particle at the Large Hadron Collider as a CP-even scalar and investigate its electroweak quantum number. Assuming an unbroken custodial invariance as suggested by precision electroweak measurements, only four possibilities are allowed if the scalar decays to pairs of gauge bosons, as exemplified by a dilaton/radion, a non-dilatonic electroweak singlet scalar, an electroweak doublet scalar, and electroweak triplet scalars. We show that current LHC data already strongly disfavor both the dilatonic and non-dilatonic singlet imposters. On the other hand, a generic Higgs doublet and a triplet imposter give equally good fits to the measured event rates of the newly observed scalar resonance, although a Standard Model Higgs boson gives a slightly better overall fit. The global fit indicates the enhancement in the diphoton channel could be attributed to an enhanced partial decay width, while the production rates are consistent with the Standard Model expectations. We emphasize that more precise measurements of the ratio of event rates in the WW over ZZ channels, as well as the event rates in bb and tau tau channels, are needed to distinguish the Higgs doublet from the triplet imposter. "

    http://arxiv.org/abs/1207.1093

  54. LHC Expense-"God" Marketing-Silliness++ by cb123 · · Score: 1

    Much of what is being said here is correct. Since the cancellation of the USA's SSC in the early 90s (a device that would have found the Higgs 15 years or so sooner), big science physics projects have had a hard go of things. Of course book publishers also will pounce on a catchy God particle marketing gimmick. Physicists will privately grimace even more at such over-hyping of the significance, but the difficulty of funding makes them shy away from outright rebuttal. The same people that are most "expert" in the domain have a direct interest in the domain seeming "interesting" to the ordinary folk who have to pay for it.

    The Higgs mechanism only generates masses for the W and Z *gauge bosons*, not masses for quarks or leptons (see any good Wikipedia page) and certainly not "all matter" which is what a lot of the *officially* popular pieces indicate through inappropriate brevity. Without a Higgs-like particle the gauge bosons for the weak force ought to be massless like photons, but there was never, ever any problem with fermions like quarks and leptons having mass. Now, without W,Z,Higgs electroweak interactions would be very different, but it is almost totally insane to attribute everyday "mass" to the Higgs alone. Indeed, 99% of "everyday mass" comes from the binding energy of the strong force inside of nucleons, for example, not even the *rest* masses of quarks and electrons. "God particle" was never remotely appropriate. Various ideas about anti-gravity and the like are completely off track. It's important to be sure, but blown out of proportion (almost) beyond belief.

    This all leads to "what bad analogies come next" in two to three decades when people want to fund (and promote) the Next Big Accelerator (NBA). The discoveries anticipated may have to do with supersymmetric partners. Could that lead to Jesus and Lucifer "offspring of God particle" or "wars in heaven" BS analogies or perhaps equally poor religion backlashes to already nutty analogies objecting to new pantheons or whatnot? Beats me. It seems likely that even allowing for global economic growth the "N.B.A." will be an even bigger fractional expense and so drive even greater craziness. Steel yourselves!

    1. Re:LHC Expense-"God" Marketing-Silliness++ by lennier · · Score: 1

      It seems likely that even allowing for global economic growth the "N.B.A." will be an even bigger fractional expense and so drive even greater craziness.

      Hey, I dislike baseball as much as the next techie, but...

      Next Big Accelerator

      ... oh. Never mind.

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  55. Why is finding this Higgs Boson so imporant? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is certainly nice to have confirmation that the standard model is on track, but what additional science does finding it actually allow? Does it really further sciences in any real way or just provide scientists with an opportunity to say that they were right. Would scientists otherwise be able to work further in a normal capacity operating on the mere assumption of its existence and properties?

  56. Pseudo Science is the new religion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Blind faith in everything that sounds sciency is the new thing to believe in. Humans need to believe in something, and they'll latch on to anything which sounds easy and doesn't require any sacrifices.

  57. Michio Kaku Syndrome by djl4570 · · Score: 1

    Michio Kaku popularized this sort of thing on the Art Bell show back in the late nineties. While Dr. Kaku can speak intelligently about such topics the average science reporter cannot, but that doesn't stop them.

    Where does the Higgs get its mass?

  58. Stupidity Sells by nightcats · · Score: 1

    I wrote this on the morning of the announcement because I suspected that some wild and wacky stuff would soon be dancing across the Intarwebs, because even the "straight" reporting was conflicting.

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  59. 6 reasons you should loathe this article. by Barryke · · Score: 1

    samzenpus (TFA) said:
    The presumed discovery of the Higgs boson may be one of the most important scientific discoveries ever, but it did bring out quite a bit of "strange" science reporting.

    It did?

    In addition to blogs, many mainstream news sites jumped on the crazy headline bandwagon. The ability to soon travel at the speed of light, the building of a Star Trek style transporter, and many stories of the particle proving God doesn't exist have made the rounds in the past week.

    Hilarious. To bad i have not read, seen (or previously heared about) any.

    Is the particle's discovery just on the fringe of common scientific knowledge

    Yes.

    and therefore prone to wild speculation,

    I don't quite follow.

    or does this all come down to

    Ok now it comes..

    having the most sensational headline?

    Bingo!

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    1. Re:6 reasons you should loathe this article. by Barryke · · Score: 1

      having the most sensational headline?

      Bingo!

      Of all people, samzenpus (Rob Rozenboom) should know.
      He's jumped to 3th place in most active authors: http://slashdot.org/hof.shtml but all i see is slashdot going down the drain. There is a /. community, but the /. news is no more.

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  60. Re:Because Lederman nicknamed it "the god particle by Severus+Snape · · Score: 1

    Lederman wanted to call it "the goddamn particle" it was his editor we have to thank for the stupid name.

  61. Graduate Reloaded by Ukab+the+Great · · Score: 2

    Mr. McGuire: I just want to say one word to you - just one word.
    Ben: Yes sir.
    Mr. McGuire: Are you listening?
    Ben: Yes I am.
    Mr. McGuire: 'Higgs Boson.'
    Ben: Exactly how do you mean?
    Mr. McGuire: There's a great future in the Higgs Boson particle. Think about it. Will you think about it?
    Ben: Yes I will.
    Mr. McGuire: Shh! Enough said. That's a deal.

  62. Re:Because Lederman nicknamed it "the god particle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    CBC did a radio show on that. The book was supposed to be the god damn particle, but the publisher dropped the damn and the name stuck. He was referring to how hard it was to find.

  63. Re:Because Lederman nicknamed it "the god particle by AttyBobDobalina · · Score: 1

    Corollary: Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.

  64. Re:Because Lederman nicknamed it "the god particle by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

    "Si tacuisses, philosophus fuisses" - Because this quantum wave easily collapses in the presence of human voice ;-)

    Btw.: Since English is not my native language, can anyone tell me an appropriate English proverb?

    Maybe if you translated it first.

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  65. Re:Because Lederman nicknamed it "the god particle by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

    Si tacuisses, philosophus fuisses

    I'll make a stab at it, quoting Mark Twain:

    It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.

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  66. Re:Because Lederman nicknamed it "the god particle by jfengel · · Score: 1

    Two English proverbs come to mind. More apt:

    "It is better to remain silent, and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."

    And a bit punchier:

    "A closed mouth gathers no foot."

  67. mod up parent by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    TFP gets it right. There are 'journalists' reporting that Lederman named it that.

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  68. Most sensational headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is the particle's discovery just on the fringe of common scientific knowledge and therefore prone to wild speculation, or does this all come down to having the most sensational headline?

    Ah.. I see. So it's not just slashdot that jumped into that wave? Are /. editors moving around jobs these days?

  69. Yep by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are stupid people, and stupid arguments, on both sides of the discussion.

    Sufficient study and philosophical clarity will reveal (to the intellectually honest aspirant) that agnosticism is the only logically-defensable position. However, the desire for solid answers combined with the human tendency to oversimplify will land most people firmly (and, ultimately, wrongly) on either side of that fence.

    1. Re:Yep by hazah · · Score: 1

      May I suggest another position? The position is that the question (and by extension, the answer) is absolutely irrelevant.

    2. Re:Yep by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      There are stupid people, and stupid arguments, on both sides of the discussion.

      Sufficient study and philosophical clarity will reveal (to the intellectually honest aspirant) that agnosticism is the only logically-defensable position. However, the desire for solid answers combined with the human tendency to oversimplify will land most people firmly (and, ultimately, wrongly) on either side of that fence.

      Bullshit, agnosticism is just ducking the question. I suppose you are agnostic about the teapot orbiting the Earth, the existence of fairies and ghosts and the fucking FSM too?

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  70. Exactly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is the particle's discovery just on the fringe of common scientific knowledge and therefore prone to wild speculation, or does this all come down to having the most sensational headline?

    Yes.

  71. Re:Because Lederman nicknamed it "the god particle by moeinvt · · Score: 1

    "- Because this quantum wave easily collapses in the presence of human voice ;-)"

    "It's better to keep your mouth shut and give the appearance of stupidity than to open it and remove all doubt ". ;-)

    (source unknown)

  72. Re:Because Lederman nicknamed it "the god particle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or, to paraphrase the quote, both a moron and genius until they open their mouth.

  73. Re:Microsoft helped majorly in the project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That could be why you don't get laid.

    Not many women like dicks so large they hurt.

  74. Re:Speculation is founded by hazah · · Score: 1

    Can you maybe like... keep it to yourself?

  75. Science reporting falls under entertainment by Hans+Adler · · Score: 1

    From the point of view of a typical journalist, it doesn't matter what they write about science so long as it is amusing. They don't even try to get this stuff right. They don't consider it part of their job description to get it right.

  76. Re:Microsoft helped majorly in the project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wrong hole!

  77. more unexplained subjective experiences occuring by merxete · · Score: 0

    Hypothesizing that people are having more "larger than life" subjective experiences these days that can't be explained through old-fashioned science (I know I have), I would say that more people than ever are looking for some sensational reasons, and wild claims about the "god particle" seems to offer some insight.

  78. Relatively speaking by Sentrion · · Score: 1

    If you think the Higgs Boson discovery has lead to a lot of wild crazy ideas, go back to what people were saying when Relativity was discovered by Einstein. Some of the most horrible scifi ever created was based on false notions of what Relativity meant.

  79. Re:Because Lederman nicknamed it "the god particle by uigrad_2000 · · Score: 1

    Two English proverbs come to mind. More apt:

    "It is better to remain silent, and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."

    King Solomon was English?

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  80. an importent discovery, sure, but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd hate to cool you enthusiasm, but the presumed discovery of the Higgs boson is by no means one of the most important scientific discoveries ever.
    Sure, it's something we've been looking for for decades, its the final piece of the standard model, it has cost gazillions of euros to find (i'm not sure how much a gzillion euros is in usd), and it is one of the most important scientific discoveries in decades.
    But just because it's the last to be found or the hardest doesn't make it more important than anything else.
    I mean really, think of all the great discoveries that changed the world from newton to Feynman, of the theories that turned our understanding of the universe upside down, the unexpected eurekas and those that took years of sisyphean work.
    Now look at the higgs boson.
    It's just the last piece that tells us we were right all along but doesn't tells us anything new.
    The higgs boson was expected years ago, we knew it must be there in one variation or the other, but now that we found him, now the interesting stuff really begins.
    What lays beyond the standard model? SUSY? strings? something completely different? nobody knows, there are tens or maybe hundreds of competing and complementing theories and ideas, and we are really in the dark here.
    finding new physic, THAT would be something!

  81. what crazy stories? by mapkinase · · Score: 1

    I haven't seen any crazy news lines. This could be a problem of your reading preference

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  82. Re:Microsoft helped majorly in the project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Feel how tight pussy is? Too much stretching of it tends to hurt.

    I know it goes against everything we have been told about what women want sexually, but most women do not want a dick so big that it hurts. They want a nice comfortably sized one, just big enough, but not too big.

  83. Re:Because Lederman nicknamed it "the god particle by zapyon · · Score: 1

    No, not all journalists are morons. Some are christians, jews, muslims, pagans, and even atheists. ;-)

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  84. So this Higgs Boson walks into a church... by Snaller · · Score: 1

    So this Higgs Boson into a church, and the priest says "Get out, we don't allow your kind here!" and the Higgs Boson says "But without me, how will you have mass!"

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  85. Haven't you given up yet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously, 90% of what you post is drivel that you have to or should take back.

    Weak sauce indeed. Pot. Kettle. HELLO?

    satirical captcha; stucco

  86. So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You interpreted come as show up in that context?

  87. Three words. by Mike+Buddha · · Score: 1

    Slow news day.

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  88. Re:Microsoft helped majorly in the project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    MS can contribute greatly by simply staying away as far as possible. MS getting any closer than infinite distance will only make already hard thing certainly impossible.

  89. Field and Boson by x1050us · · Score: 1

    If higgs field is made up of higgs bosons, why do we need proton collisions to create them ? Aren't they present everywhere including vacuum ? Why do they decay to these other particles if it is so fundamental to higgs field ? Why does high's boson have mass (or is it just mass equivalant of energy) ? Does it mean higgs field has mass which in turn means vacuum has mass ? Why is higgs boson heavier than most other particles ?

  90. Becaise the large hadron collider was expensive. by fearofcarpet · · Score: 1

    For those of us that have had to justify the discharge of large sums of money given to you by taxpayers to do research, the answer is obvious. It varies by country and agency, but getting awarded a grant is the first step in the constant cabaret show that is justifying your use of said grant money. And some agencies--like DARPA--will even go so far as to take the money back if your leg kicks aren't high enough at one of your ridiculously frequent reviews. Thus, given the price tag, basically everyone involved in the LHC project has been engaged in a constant media blitz from Day One, ranging from the possibility of creating tiny black holes to (everyone but the actual scientists) peeing themselves over faster-than-light neutrinos that probably weren't. They learned the lesson of the SSC well. So, when the first evidence of the Higgs Boson was revealed, the PR machine went into overdrive trying to justify spending billions of Euros on a giant, underground doughnut that was vulnerable to baguette. Combined with the laughable quality of "science journalism" and the toddler-level understanding of science of the media and general population, stories about transporters and spaceships were a humorous inevitability.

    Also, something that was predicted in 1964 cannot be on the "fringe of common scientific knowledge," a phrase that is itself just as hyperbolic as the examples cited in the OP. Now, the discovery of bacteria that can use As in place of P, that would have been at the fringe had it turned out to be true.

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  91. I work at a newspaper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Couple easy reasons why this happened.

    The simplest reason is that most people don't know what a Higgs boson is and probably still wouldn't understand if you told them about it for half an hour. It WAS a large accomplishment, but how do you impart this to your mostly science illiterate audience? You dumb it down, draw analogies to things they do understand, or just tell them what cool stuff we may be able to make in the future with it.

    The other most likely reason is that sensational headlines draw audiences and that bring advertising dollars. Its still a business folks. You print a magazine that has the Enterprise on it and slap the headline "Higgs Boson discovery may make Star Trek a reality" and you are guaranteed to sell it.

    Off chance that the writers of these stories didn't know what the fuck they were doing.

  92. Re:Microsoft helped majorly in the project by mikiN · · Score: 1

    Use the black one, the one with the singularity in it called the G-Spot.

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  93. Re:Because Lederman nicknamed it "the god particle by mikiN · · Score: 1

    ""
    (The empty string, the right answer to the question, in every language.)

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  94. Re:Microsoft helped majorly in the project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You don't understand what Microsoft Research is do you?

    The fact that CERN runs Linux in its data centre has nothing to do with the output from the scientific research division that Microsoft runs.

  95. Re:Microsoft helped majorly in the project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually Microsoft did provide OS to CERN and the LHC as well. In fact, the majority of the LHC detector control systems run windows.

    http://iopscience.iop.org/1742-6596/331/2/022029

    Cut and pasting the abstract

    The control system of each of the four major Experiments at the CERN Large Hadron Collider (LHC) is distributed over up to 160 computers running either Linux or Microsoft Windows. A quick response to abnormal situations of the computer infrastructure is crucial to maximize the physics usage. For this reason, a tool was developed to supervise, identify errors and troubleshoot such a large system. Although the monitoring of the performance of the Linux computers and their processes was available since the first versions of the tool, it is only recently that the software package has been extended to provide similar functionality for the nodes running Microsoft Windows as this platform is the most commonly used in the LHC detector control systems. In this paper, the architecture and the functionality of the Windows Management Instrumentation (WMI) client developed to provide centralized monitoring of the nodes running different flavour of the Microsoft platform, as well as the interface to the SCADA software of the control systems are presented. The tool is currently being commissioned by the Experiments and it has already proven to be very efficient optimize the running systems and to detect misbehaving processes or nodes.

  96. Re:Microsoft helped majorly in the project by Mindcontrolled · · Score: 1

    Linux is the only tool used in serious science

    So that wild jungle ecosystem of HP-UX, Solaris, IRIX, Linux, Windows, MS-DOS (!) and whatnot-based machine that grew over the years at the department where I did my PhD work supposedly means I did not do serious science there? Right....

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  97. Re:Because Lederman nicknamed it "the god particle by tehcyder · · Score: 1

    Two English proverbs come to mind. More apt:

    "It is better to remain silent, and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."

    King Solomon was English?

    Well, everyone knows the King James Bible was written in English, so yes, I suppose he was.

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  98. Re:Because Lederman nicknamed it "the god particle by tehcyder · · Score: 1

    Lederman wanted to call it "the goddamn particle" it was his editor we have to thank for the stupid name.

    He could have told his editor he didn't like the name, couldn't he?

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  99. Re:Because Lederman nicknamed it "the god particle by Severus+Snape · · Score: 1

    Lederman wanted to call it "the goddamn particle" it was his editor we have to thank for the stupid name.

    He could have told his editor he didn't like the name, couldn't he?

    He did.

  100. Because for most people the science by ToddInSF · · Score: 1

    is so far out of the realm of their comprehension, it may as well be religion.

    The weird articles are just an attempt to make the science vaguely analogous to something that they can actually understand.

    That, and most "journalists" are lazy assholes.

  101. It's not the same, friend. by AssOfDeliciosoness · · Score: 1

    Nearly four months ago, I noticed that my internet connection was very sluggish. Eventually getting fed up with it, I began to seek out software that would speed up the gigabits in my router. After an hour of searching, I found what at first appeared to be a very promising piece of software. Not only did it claim it would speed up my internet connection, but that it would overclock my power supply, speed up my gigabits, and remove any viruses from my computer! "This is a fantastic opportunity that I simply can't pass up," I thought. I immediately downloaded the software and began the installation, all the while laughing like a small child. I was highly anticipating a future where the speed of my internet connection would leave everyone else's in the dust.

    I was horribly, horribly naive. Immediately upon the completion of the software's installation, various messages popped up on my screen about how I needed to buy software to remove a virus that I wasn't aware I had from a software company I'd never once heard of. The strange software also blocked me from doing anything except buying the software it was advertising. Being that I was a computer whiz (I had taken a computer essentials class in high school that taught me how to use Microsoft Office, and was quite adept at accessing my Facebook account), I was immediately able to conclude that the software I'd downloaded was, in fact, a virus, and that it was slowing down my gigabits at an exponential rate. "I can't let this insanity proceed any further," I thought.

    As I was often called a computer genius, I was confident at the time that I could get rid of the virus with my own two hands. I tried numerous things: restarting the computer, pressing random keys on the keyboard, throwing the mouse across the room, and even flipping an orange switch on the back of the tower and turning the computer back on. My efforts were all in vain; the virus persisted, and my gigabits were running slower than ever! "This cannot be! What is this!? I've never once seen such a vicious virus in my entire life!" I was dumbfounded that I, a computer genius, was unable to remove the virus using the methods I described. Upon coming to terms with my failure, I decided to take my computer to a PC repair shop for repair.

    I drove to a nearby computer repair shop and entered the building with my computer in hand. The inside of the building was quite large, neat, and organized, and the employees all seemed very kind and knowledgeable. They laughed upon hearing my embarrassing story, and told me that they saw this kind of thing on a daily basis. They then accepted the job, and told me that in the worst case, it'd be fixed in three days from now. I left with a smile, and felt confident in my decision to leave the computer repairs to the experts.

    A week later, they still hadn't called back. Visibly angry, I tried calling them countless times, but not a single time did they answer the phone. Their negligence and irresponsibility infuriated me, and sent me into a state of insanity that caused me to punch a gigantic hole in the wall. Being that I would require my computer for work soon, I decided to head over to the computer repair shop to find out exactly what the problem was.

    Upon entering the building, I was shocked by the state of its interior; it looked as if a tornado had tore through the entire building! Countless broken computers were scattered all about the floor, desks were flipped over, the walls had holes in them, there was a puddle of blood on the floor, and worst of all, I saw that my computer was sitting in the middle of the room laying on its side! Absolutely unforgivable! I soon noticed one of the employees sitting behind one of the tipped over desks (the one that had previously had the cash register on top of it); he was shaking uncontrollably and sobbing. Despite being furious about my computer being tipped over, seeing him in that state still managed to make me less unforgiving. I decided to ask him what happened.

    A few moments passed where the entire r

  102. There is no escape from my ass-seeking cock! by FuckinPissedOfSally · · Score: 1

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    About six months ago, I was overexerting myself trying to get rid of a terrible virus on a client's PC (I own a PC repair shop and have been fixing computers for over 10 years). Given my level of expertise, I thought I'd be able to get rid of it fairly quickly and without hassle, but as was made evident by my colossal failure, I was horribly, horribly wrong.

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    A few weeks ago, I foolishly ran a strange executable file that one of my acquaintances sent me by email. As someone who doesn't know much about computers, at the time, I thought nothing of it. "Why would my acquaintance want to hurt me?" Following this line of thought, I ran the file without question.

    How naive I was. Despite having what was supposedly the best anti-virus software out right then, a virus took over my computer and held it hostage. It was pretending to be a warning from Windows telling me to buy some strange anti-virus software I'd never heard of from a company I'd never heard of to remove the virus.

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