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RIM CEO On What Went Wrong

AZA43 writes "After releasing some very ugly financial numbers in late June, BlackBerry-maker RIM went on a media blitz to downplay the significance of its latest earnings and counter increasingly negative media attention. ... But a new Q&A with BlackBerry chief Thorsten Heins offers a unique take on what exactly went wrong at RIM — Heins blames the company's downfall [partly] on LTE in the U.S. — and he actually seems genuine in his answers." A peek into the mind of RIM's upper management.

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  1. LTE? How about Android and IPhone by Terry+Pearson · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just thinking that Android had to put up with LTE and it did just fine. Maybe Blackberry's problem is user interface, tight control of apps, and now a crowded market with better products.

    1. Re:LTE? How about Android and IPhone by noh8rz5 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The problem is BYOD - bring your own device. people would rather use their own gear than RIM. Actually, the real problem is that consumer electronics have been growing leaps and bounds, and business electronics have been stuck in the past. It used to be that businesses could afford the real stuff, while consumers got the cheeps. Now, my computer at home is faster and more pleasing to use than my POS at work. RIM fell into the "POS at work" category. People's eyes were opened by the iPhone, and they began to have a higher standard.

    2. Re:LTE? How about Android and IPhone by h4rr4r · · Score: 4, Interesting

      On both iOS and Android the telephony and normal OS are quite seperated. It has nothing to do with open or closed source, just that they treat it as yet another device like the touch screen or the camera. I am not sure how BBOS handles it, but to not do it that way would be stupid.

      Even ICS needs closed source drivers for GSM/CDMA radios and often wifi. Hardware companies as always are a huge PITA. The big news with ICS is that all Nexus devices save for Sprints Galaxy Nexus are supported via closed source but publicly available drivers for this kind of hardware. The Nexus S 4G(sprint) and the Verizon branded Galaxy Nexus were the two just recently added back into the AOSP fold.

    3. Re:LTE? How about Android and IPhone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It shows how clueless they actually are. LTE has nothing to do with it. The problem was after the iPhone the phone became a "computer in your pocket" and RIM still had "Email in your pocket" - which suddenly looks a lot less compelling.

      RIM can't just do "something like an iPhone" that isn't going to wash. They need something radically new, clearly communication needs to be at its core (what were they thinking with the Playbook v1 - no email?!) Probably they need something with a keyboard (though how do you make THAT exciting?) as so many of their customers want that. They need excellence in industrial design. Personally I think they need the "blinky light" that shows you have a message. They need a far better UI (using the current Blackberry UI is an exercise in irritation). Most of all, "covering the bases" isn't enough, they need a "killer app" - being "competitive" can't save them, they have no momentum.

      And they need integration with a mobile device (like an iPad or Ultrabook - Blackberry users are keen on those keyboards).

      Can they do it? Hmm... seems vanishingly unlikely.

    4. Re:LTE? How about Android and IPhone by JohnnyBGod · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Do you think he doesn't know that? This is politics. So you're the CEO of a company. Are you really going to come out to your shareholders and say "We're in the shit 'cause our competitors have done better? We'll one-up up them now! Promise!" Of course not! This raises nasty questions like "Well, why didn't you do better before it was a problem?" or "Oh yeah? And how are you going to do that?", questions which either aren't productive or can't be answered without showing your cards to your competition. No... instead, you make up some silly excuse that sounds plausible to anyone who isn't in the know.

    5. Re:LTE? How about Android and IPhone by bondsbw · · Score: 3, Interesting

      RIM needs to give up on the OS.

      Due to the traditional enterprise focus of Microsoft, I personally think it would be in RIM and Microsoft's favor to join forces by releasing a few good WP8-powered Blackberrys.

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    6. Re:LTE? How about Android and IPhone by h4rr4r · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I am not sure the blind leading the blind is the best method for RIM to survive. If WP7/8 actually sold a large number of devices it might be worth it. Instead they need to support ActiveSync on their own devices and offer their software/services on non-BB devices as well.

    7. Re:LTE? How about Android and IPhone by jbolden · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Give up on the OS? RIM has the only real time kernel on the market. Everyone else is using a server kernel adjusted for the desktop and then readjusted for the phone. The OS is one of their few remaining strengths.

    8. Re:LTE? How about Android and IPhone by h4rr4r · · Score: 2

      They already gave up their old OS, which I have real trouble believing was real time.
      Their new OS is QNX, which is real time, but I still don't see how a real time kernel helps them.

      No desktop operating systems I know bother with them.

    9. Re:LTE? How about Android and IPhone by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 3, Funny

      The difference is, if you don't believe Ballmer, he can throw a chair at you.

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    10. Re:LTE? How about Android and IPhone by ArhcAngel · · Score: 3, Insightful

      RIM's immediate problem is BlackBerry faithful holding out for BB 10 devices. Up until this last quarter RIM hadn't had a sizable reduction in sales. Their stock has taken a beating because they hadn't grown at the same pace as the smartphone market leading to sensationalist headlines decrying their impending doom because they were losing market share. While technically true it is like saying the baker on the corner is going bankrupt because 500 people moved into the neighborhood and the baker is still selling the 100 cakes a week he had for the last decade while 2 other bakers opened up shop and are selling 200 cakes a week each. The iPhone opened the smart phone market up to a new demographic. RIM was created to serve a completely different demographic and their culture has struggled to reach the new market. That market has started to erode their core market so they are indeed in dire straights if they don't do a course correction and they are well aware of that. They are doing what needs to be done just slower than the market would like. There are a lot of factors that will determine if RIM remains relevant but to count them out would be foolish at this point. Did you bet against Apple in the 90's? I bet you did...

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    11. Re:LTE? How about Android and IPhone by jbolden · · Score: 3, Informative

      I was talking about QNX. Real time helps them because it makes the system much more responsive. Phones because of weak CPUs, network interference and limited memory often have noticeable lags. A real time kernel allows the phone to always be responsive to the end user while handling those tasks effectively.. It also allows for vastly more sophisticated power management which can result in much longer battery life.

      And you are right desktop OSes don't use them. All the desktop OSes since the days of OS9 have been designed for servers. Which means they focus on throughput not responsiveness, and then adjusted for the desktop to some extent.

    12. Re:LTE? How about Android and IPhone by TXG1112 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I was mostly happy with my BlackBerry Bold, but the real issue for me wasn't apps, it was the shitty web browser and small screen. The killer app for smart phones is the Web. If they managed to get that to work seamlessly, they would have kept their customer base and app developers. What did them in was that the Torch was a buggy piece of crap. The UI for email and contacts and all the other communication functions is already superior to the the iPhone.

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    13. Re:LTE? How about Android and IPhone by Nadaka · · Score: 2

      Android slide phones like the Samsung Epic (original), Droid(s) and MyTouch 4g slide make a far better "email" platform than BB does.

      The BB sidways keyboard is to small to thumb type but too big to fit on a phone with a decent screen size.

    14. Re:LTE? How about Android and IPhone by somersault · · Score: 2

      I am not sure how BBOS handles it, but to not do it that way would be stupid.

      Any time I've used Blackberry software on the desktop, server or phone I've thought it was stupid. I wouldn't put it past them.

      Blackberry may have made mobile email popular, but that is irrelevant now. The only thing that they still do best (as far as I can tell) is provide cheap roaming costs.

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    15. Re:LTE? How about Android and IPhone by Kozar_The_Malignant · · Score: 2

      After many years of BB use, I'm still stuck with a device (Bold 9700) that can't do html mail. Granted, it's almost two years old, but the fact that RIM doesn't port it's newest OS to slightly older devices is a pain. My next phone will be an iPhone or an SIII.

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    16. Re:LTE? How about Android and IPhone by hendridm · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's a good point. It seems to me RIM would have been a much better fit for Windows Pwn than Nokia is.

      Buy RIM, fire everyone, sell RIM-style keyboard phones with WP on it to existing customer base branded as Microsoft BlackBerry, which will be pleasing because it integrates nicely with all the other Windows bullshit they already have (says the salesman).

      With Nokia, Microsoft just made a shitty company shittier*. With RIM, the scam might actually be believable.

      *Note to Nokia fanboys: Nokia phones suck. The sooner you realize that, the sooner you can heal.

    17. Re:LTE? How about Android and IPhone by YoopDaDum · · Score: 2

      I think all mobile environment have a well defined radio interface layer (RIL) similar to what's in Android. There's something specific to Blackberry thought, it's that in 2G/3G they have their own protocol stack. It's still run on an external baseband modem chip made by others (Freescale from memory, but I may be wrong there), but the PS is BB own and not made by the modem chip vendor as is now more common. This used to be a common model when the modem was the key to a phone, as it was important to be in control and it was possible for the phone vendor to make a difference there. Now the model has changed, and the modem chip provide both the hardware and the associated protocol stack.

      So maybe on LTE BB wanted to have their own stack (and even maybe modem hardware?), and didn't prioritize it as they had so much else to do and believed LTE would arrive later. When LTE took off very quickly, they got caught without an internal LTE, and possibly with a company culture that made it difficult to turn to an external provider. This is just a guess, but at least it looks possible.

      The "in-house" modem development is not totally dead yet. In other big players you can find such in-house development: Moto do their own LTE hardware and stack (but for how long still?), Samsung does it too and LG did it partially in collaboration with GCT. Contrast this with Apple and HTC who just get the full modem subsystem from a third party (now Qualcomm in both cases). If you have the skills and volume it may make sense to do it yourself (Samsung), but when you have limited resources and volume this is more questionable and we'll see if this trend continue (Moto, LG).

    18. Re:LTE? How about Android and IPhone by oakgrove · · Score: 2

      Yeah, that's what Palm thought too. People smell desperation and they would get a bad whiff from a Windows Phone adorned Blackberry from a mile a way. Really bad idea.

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    19. Re:LTE? How about Android and IPhone by rasmusbr · · Score: 2

      They probably need to set their sights on another niche market and win that. Something where they can charge a premium.

      It looks like mainstream consumer phones have reached a stable basic design, which means that there's hardly anything left in terms of major "disruptive" hardware innovation. It's basically a predictable race down to $49 Android phones and $99 iPhones that do everything well enough.

      The next big breakthrough in mainstream phones is going to be something like virtual reality displays, mind-control, phone as body implant, or antigravity that makes the phone float in the air in front of you. I don't think RIM can get something like that to market before they run out of cash.

      (Since this is the internet I should probably clarify by saying that the part about antigravity was a joke. Not sure about the implant.)

    20. Re:LTE? How about Android and IPhone by h4rr4r · · Score: 4, Informative

      That is not exactly what a Real time OS does. Given not enough CPU to handle all the tasks it abandons any that take too long. Users really don't like those sorts of things. Real Time operating systems are really only good for that environment, where late means worthless.

    21. Re:LTE? How about Android and IPhone by gl4ss · · Score: 2

      I am not sure how BBOS handles it, but to not do it that way would be stupid.

      Actually no, if you can get away with it then it's better if you can skip on extra chips, since that bring the bill of materials down and nets you better battery life. that's pretty much how some manufacturers africa phones have weeks of standby and long talk times - the fewer arm cores you need the better it is.

      for a random manufacturer it's easier to buy the phone on a chip and just bolt that on, not smarter or more efficient - just easier.

      doesn't have much to do with rim though since afaik all their designs are the bolt-on-phone variety(so were all windows ce phones, androids, palms, hell, pretty much all manufacturers except nokia when it comes to smartphones - with others it's usually just dumb-phones that were built this way).

      for bb though their problem is probably that in the end they'd have to find guys from the hw company to find contractors to write drivers for them - even the bolt on stuff needs drivers -, basically favors and good relations, telecoms is kinda bitchy like that - or rather they should have gone into partnerships with the chip providers for writing that stuff by providing them 1000+ engineers, not because they'd need 1000 guys to write the drivers but to get the deal done.

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    22. Re:LTE? How about Android and IPhone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I can assure you, without a shadow of a doubt, that the API for managing communications over the radios on BlackBerry devices is one of the stupidest things ever created. In particular, it requires the application developer to handle the idiosyncrasies of the hardware/physical layers while communicating over the transport layer.

      Need a TCP connection over cell network? Write this set of software. Need a TCP connection over WiFi? Oh, there's a completely different set of APIs for that. Neither Android nor iOS puts developers through those idiotic hoops.

      Net result: the software devs at RIM appear to be complete fools.

    23. Re:LTE? How about Android and IPhone by presidenteloco · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's probably because IOS and Android+Linux were complete, general OS stacks designed for, you know, computers, whereas RIM s/w was designed to run on low-end electronics like pagers and early cellphones, so is much more limited and specialized, then added to in an adhoc fashion as the hardware got faster and more memory.

      What really happened here is that the cellphone got replaced by a portable computer that happens to be able to phone people. RIM and to be fair many others got caught napping when that happened.

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    24. Re:LTE? How about Android and IPhone by SydShamino · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I've said it elsewhere, but what I think is that they need to release an Android phone that has the same back-end security as a BlackBerry. Sure, let users download apps and play with them in user land, but launch a corporate app and its content is locked down and protected. This is what Trusted Computing is for. (I'm not saying I would buy one for myself, but were my company to issue a phone I had to carry, having it act like a standard fully-featured Android phone plus have corporate support would make it better than a regular Android phone for sure.)

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    25. Re:LTE? How about Android and IPhone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Posting anon

      Actually, RIM has traditionally designs EVERYTHING themselves. At one point they even designed the physical radio chip. The idea is that if you do everything in house, you can maximize the optimization of each layer (and it works, that's why BB have such long battery and, as least as far as the radio stack is concern, very low call drop rate compared to that Q company :) ).

      But of course, due to multiple reasons (which doesn't actually have to do with incompetency), they fell behind.

    26. Re:LTE? How about Android and IPhone by jbolden · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You are at 100% CPU and RAM usage. The user tries to do something that needs more CPU. Do you drop the old task, which is no good he needs that done, or the new task which cannot complete in time?

      You schedule it this way.

      1) The user always has a high degree of responsiveness. The system never lets itself get to 100% CPU and RAM unless the user hasn't been hitting anything for while.
      2) The task the user is currently looking at gets priority and all the CPU and RAM it needs
      3) Other tasks split up the remaining generally using something like a most recently used bias. Their may be a notification when a large task in the background completes.

      RTOS don't magically create more CPU, they may even effectively decrease it, but that's not the point. What they do is make sure the system is always responsive to the user regardless of load. And absolutely things like postponing tasks are key.

    27. Re:LTE? How about Android and IPhone by TXG1112 · · Score: 2

      It was a 9700. I really liked many of the devices features, particularly the keyboard and battery life. WRT the browser, there were lots of sites that wouldn't display properly and the small screen made surfing for anything but the most basic of information an exercise in frustration. Speed was never an issue for me. I was considering getting a Torch, but a number of my coworkers had them and the reviews were uniformly bad.

      When my BB broke last year I ended up replacing it with an iPhone 4. There are many things about the iPhone that annoy the piss out of me. The UI is far less intuitive than the apple fan-base would have you believe and there is no unified contact management and messaging as there is on a BB.

      The browser on the iPhone works perfectly and I can even read the NY Times on it without too much trouble when the situation calls for it.

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    28. Re:LTE? How about Android and IPhone by jellomizer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I actually think that is the case.
      Blackberry had 2 things going for it.
      1. A really good keyboard. I never owned a Blackberry, however I was handed on a after I had an iPhone, and I found that keyboard was really nice to use... Better then other phones with a physical keyboard, or good touch screen keyboard....

      2. A secure method of sending emails and other messages.

      Now #2 became more of a liability then an asset, because these portable computers that happen to have phone features, supported standard secure ways to transfer data. And you could choose Wi-Fi or your Data Plan. Then what really hurt was the random Outages at RIM that left customers messageless.

      For #1 They still have a good keyboard... They started to push phones without it, and failed (Because not getting a keyboard is a step back). And the phones with it, caused you to have less screen real estate making it harder to make mobile sites that work for iPhone and Blackberry. While we loved the keyboard, we found that we read more then what we typed. Having a good keyboard that takes up half your phone, isn't an efficient use of the device.

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    29. Re:LTE? How about Android and IPhone by bheading · · Score: 2

      Look, this obsession with real time kernels and OS cores is nonsense. Apple built their product line on a *BSD core, they polished and optimized the phone and created the market leader. The OS kernel is not the defining characteristic of the user experience. What matters is attention to detail, UI and software design.

      BTW real-time kernels do not excel at optimizing performance. Their design objective is to sacrifice overall performance by maximizing performance for certain specific tasks. If you can't build a decent, smooth and responsive UI on today's 1Ghz dual-core CPU cores with an off the shelf modern OS kernel (of any kind) you are, quite obviously, doing it wrong.

  2. Apple happened by oconnorcjo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I always thought that the palm pilot was a great idea, but if it had phone functionality, it would be perfect. Blackberry never saw this idea too well. When Apple finally figured it out, Blackberry was dead man walking.

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    1. Re:Apple happened by alen · · Score: 3, Funny

      but come on, everyone knows that business people aren't allowed to enjoy themselves on flights. if the IT goons didn't lock down the phones so that you can't do anything on them the company will fall apart? imagine the horror of the director of something using his phone to download a non-IT approved app like Angry Birds to play while on a business trip? the client will freak and pull the business

      if you take the power away from the IT goons to lock everything down what will they do? how will they get their power trip on?

    2. Re:Apple happened by Swampash · · Score: 2, Interesting

      RIM had a complete internal panic when Apple unveiled the iPhone in 2007, a former employee revealed this weekend. The BlackBerry maker is now known to have held multiple all-hands meetings on January 10 that year, a day after the iPhone was on stage, and to have made outlandish claims about its features. Apple was effectively accused of lying as it was supposedly impossible that a device could have such a large touchscreen but still get a usable lifespan away from a power outlet.

      http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/12/27/rim.thought.apple.was.lying.on.iphone.in.2007/

    3. Re:Apple happened by h4rr4r · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The IT goons as you call us were the ones quite often pushing for the death of RIM.

      My and my goon coworkers pushed to have RIM banned from our company. If you have our company buy you a device you can select an iPhone or Android of your desire. If you BYOD same rules apply if you want any support. We aren't total dicks, we just will not do better than best effort. If it a RIM device comes in and does not work out of the box or they have any trouble at all we just suggest they return it for something else.

      We have saved tons of time not having to deal with repushing servicebooks, pulling batteries, and restarting the whole BES server. Which is a PITA since it takes out email for all its clients.

    4. Re:Apple happened by kdogg73 · · Score: 5, Interesting
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    5. Re:Apple happened by Swampash · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Oh yeah, that's one of the all-time great bits of self-ownage.

      Tech journalists make bad calls all the time, but few tech writers have made such a blisteringly bad call as seasoned columnist John C. Dvorak, who famously predicted back in 2007 that “Apple should pull the plug on the iPhone [because it is just] going to be another phone in a crowded market.”

      D’oh. $150 billion in revenue later, the iPhone is the biggest success Apple has ever had, and revolutionized pretty much every single aspect of the smartphone and even telecom business. That’s quite the missed prediction, even by tech journalist standards.

      So what does Dvorak have to say to explain himself? Was it just a brain fart, or what? Five years later, Dvorak has explained why he said the iPhone would be a dud, and his excuse is fascinating: he claims he got it wrong because of a conspiracy against tech journalists like him who were too honest about Apple for their own good.

      http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/wrong-dvorak-blames-getting-screwed-over-apple

    6. Re:Apple happened by Xest · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because Compaq (then later on HP) never invented PDAs (this is what they were called before smartphone became the prominent term) with phone capability called the iPaq, nor was this name used even before the iPod. Palm pilots with phone functionality is basically exactly what newer model iPaqs were.

      Apple didn't "figure out" this concept, far from it, it was already well established in the marketplace. What Apple did succeed in doing however was to bring it to consumers - RIM, HP, and even Dell's devices were business oriented, and whilst some consumers liked business features enough to embrace these devices as a consumer oriented tool, they were never going to compete with devices that were targetted purely at consumers, rather than business.

      It's the same reason that the likes of Netbooks sold hundreds of millions of units and took the market by storm in just a year or two - because to that point, most laptops out there were focussed either towards businesses, or the expensive high end power user like gamers, and again, whilst plenty of people bought laptops, finding value in them as a personal tool regardless, the consumerisation of them as netbooks really made the whole market explode. Tablets are again no different - the iPad was nothing new, tablets had been done in a way similar to the iPad since at least 2002 with Windows XP Tablet Edition's introduction (of course there were precursors to even that, but this is the point at which they became viable in the way they are now), but they were never consumer oriented, and so never really took off.

    7. Re:Apple happened by Scutter · · Score: 4, Insightful

      but come on, everyone knows that business people aren't allowed to enjoy themselves on flights. if the IT goons didn't lock down the phones so that you can't do anything on them the company will fall apart? imagine the horror of the director of something using his phone to download a non-IT approved app like Angry Birds to play while on a business trip? the client will freak and pull the business

      if you take the power away from the IT goons to lock everything down what will they do? how will they get their power trip on?

      Have you ever stopped to ask yourself why the "IT goons" lock things down? Do you REALLY think it's a power trip? Are you that much of a child that you believe that to be the case? Or are you just trolling? Have you ever actually just asked to have Angry Birds added to the approved app list, or do you just complain about it like a petulant schoolgirl?

      Given that you have a low user ID, I'm going to assume you've been on Slashdot for a long time and therefore are at least somewhat technical. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you truly are not a moron and that you know that things get locked down for one reason and one reason only: To protect the company from idiot users. If left to their own, users will invariably create huge regulatory compliance issues (which can easily result in fines in the millions of dollars), introduce malware into the network, lose data, the list goes on. IT is responsible for the company data. If you want to take responsibility for that data, then you can decide how to protect it.

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    8. Re:Apple happened by Kozar_The_Malignant · · Score: 4, Funny

      I would have thought just the opposite. Any doof can set up an active synch device, but it takes truly l33t skillz to keep a BES environment running. When the PHB's Blackberry goes down, Only You can fix it. BES makes you key personnel. Without it, you're just head count. :-)

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    9. Re:Apple happened by stewbacca · · Score: 2

      Excellent observation. This is why the tablet market "died on arrival" and the iPad is a huge success. The "tablet" PC was trying to be a PC in a flat form factor. The iPad is trying to be NOT a PC. Thus, people who get mad at Apple for just copying the failed tablet PC concept are completely missing the point, and most likely will continue to do so as Apple continues to dominate. These same people think iPads suck because they don't do things that PCs do. Yes. This is exactly the point.

  3. LTE? by headhot · · Score: 5, Informative

    Its not being ready for LTE that kill them, it was the lack of modernizing the user interface and modern phones that killed them.

    1. Re:LTE? by Pieroxy · · Score: 2

      This just goes to demonstrate that RIM's upper management is about a few lightyears away from the cause of their downfall.

      If this information is genuine, I don't expect RIM to be around anymore in 5 years.

  4. It's not a phone any more by david.emery · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's a pocket computer. -THAT's- the big shift that RIMM missed, and -is still missing-.

    Nice summary of what the iPhone changed here: http://daringfireball.net/2012/07/iphone_disruption_five_years_in

  5. Pre-mortem Analysis by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "we missed on some innovation..."
    "we weren't ready for it..."
    "not being focused on the new, innovative technologies..."

    and finally: "I would not say that we failed to innovate."

    1. Re:Pre-mortem Analysis by rbrausse · · Score: 2

      and another one:

      The delay of BlackBerry 10 is not because we added stuff to it. The delay is because our software groups were actually so successful in coding the [..components and building blocks..] that when we put them into the main "trunk line," [..] we got overwhelmed by integration efforts.

      so adding stuff is bad, but adding components is good?

      mmmkay...

    2. Re:Pre-mortem Analysis by Dynamoo · · Score: 2
      I think they lucked into awesome success though - BlackBerry always was a corporate solution, it just turned out that consumers were looking for the same sort of thing they were already making and they managed to jump on that market.

      As for innovation, well look at the whole QNX acquisition mess. RIM bought QNX in 2010, but it's going to take until 2013 (at least!) to come up with a QNX-based OS (BlackBerry 10) for their smartphones. The only place they are using QNX is the dead-end PlayBook OS. By 2013 it really won't matter if they can make QNX work on their smartphones or not as they will have passed into irrelevance.

      IMO, iOS has a future. Android has a future. Windows might be a niche player. Bada is bound to get some percentage points simply because it is being backed by Samsung. Everything else is irrelevant.. that's not to say that there aren't good OSes out there (MeeGo, Tizen and yes, QNX) but that they are simply more than customers need.

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  6. Instead of phones, RIM is now selling jets by dingen · · Score: 4, Informative

    I just read RIM has sold one of their corporate jets in order to stay afloat. That's pretty desperate.

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    1. Re:Instead of phones, RIM is now selling jets by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      At least they managed to trim a bit of fat from the top, instead of keeping the jet and firing 150 minions as part of a 'strategic realignment'...

    2. Re:Instead of phones, RIM is now selling jets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I just read RIM has sold one of their corporate jets [theglobeandmail.com] in order to stay afloat. That's pretty desperate.

      Yes.

      Clearly, RIM should have kept all the corporate jets and ask for a government bailout, the same way GM & Chrysler did.

      RIM would get bonus points if they actually flew on their corporate jets to go and ask for a government bailout, the same way GM & Chrysler did.

    3. Re:Instead of phones, RIM is now selling jets by ctrl-alt-canc · · Score: 4, Funny

      In a related news, to keep the company afloat, corporate jets were replaced with hot air balloons.

  7. Lack of RIM happened by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    RIM = Research In Motion

    They simply sat down and rested on their laurels and forgot what their company name originally meant. No research -> No development -> No innovation .... open the barn door for a new player .... Apple.

  8. Lolwut? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

    So, if I understand the situation in bizzaro world correctly, it goes something like this:

    Noble RIM, blindsided(because maintaining strong, mutually beneficial carrier partnerships isn't at all part of RIM's job given that they sell both in-house hardware and proprietary data backend services to carriers...) by the US' sudden uptick in LTE enthusiasm(the same one that was proceeded by a blizzard of advertising so relentless that even drooling morons 'knew' that they 'wanted 4G', even if they didn't know what that meant, and which was necessarily accompanied by a flurry of buildouts and upgraded hardware that the professional channel-watchers and trade rags would never have noticed) caused RIM to be horribly blindsided by the iPhone(which, incidentally, has been quite conservative about bumping connection technologies, with HSDPA only introduced on the 3GS and HSUPA exclusive to the 4S) and various Android devices, many of which were brutally smacked down by reviewers and customers for having early-adopted cell modems that their batteries and/or browsers couldn't cope with in order to sell 'zOMG 4G+++!@!!!" to the cluelesss.

    This development, catching RIM entirely by surprise, and having no apparent effect on the relatively low-speed requirements of RIM's email/messaging/truly awful browser experience, thereby gutted RIM's position.

    Also, the sky is purple, with green dots.

  9. RIM Ignored the World by SkydiverFL · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The company was over confident, overly comfortable in the business space, and simply ignored the customer base... both current and potential. While touch screens were popping up all over the place they were still pushing their tiny physical keyboard. While the competition was bumping up processor speeds to up performance RIM simply slapped on a crude semi-touchscreen which was too big and cumbersome for the core of the device. And, they offered virtually NOTHING to the developer market to foster application creation or distribution. And, finally, they simply ignored their own infrastructure multiple times. In short, they were so confident that their position in the business space was so guaranteed that they turned a blind to everything important.

  10. No mention of ActiveSync? by h4rr4r · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Either this CEO has no idea what he is talking about or does not want to address the elephant in the room. iPhone and Android support of ActiveSync is what did so much damage to RIM. Had BB supported that many people would have stuck with them just to avoid carrying around two devices, one for work one for play.

    It also freed IT departments from dealing with restarting the phone, repushing servicebooks restarting the BES server and all the other hassle that went with BES. I know companies that moved to iPhone/Android and either fired or repurposed an full time employee that had been previously dedicated to BES.

  11. RIM Ignored the consumer by Darkness404 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    RIM ignored the generic consumer in favor of selling their products in the business space. At first it worked because no other phone could do well in the business space and back when the only choices were Windows Mobile (the old, slow, unstable Windows Mobile) or BlackBerry many chose BlackBerry even if it wasn't the ideal smartphone, it was better than the competition. Then Apple released the iPhone which was consumer focused, no longer could RIM keep the consumers who just wanted a smartphone because there was a better option. Soon Android started appearing everywhere and iPhones got a whole lot more business friendly. All the while RIM was selling outdated hardware, an outdated UI, next to no developer support, and any time they tried to innovate it was a half-hearted attempt that failed (remember the storm?).

    In a nutshell, why is RIM broke? Because no one wants to buy a BlackBerry because an iPhone/Android does the job a whole lot better.

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  12. Hmmm by AdmV0rl0n · · Score: 4, Informative

    I have to run Blackberry Enterprise Server. Its a complete pain in the ass in terms of support and main. Its years behind, and its clunky, chunky, and we end up going through endless workload and silly upgrade games. The handsets break if users look at them. I have to do warranty on them daily, and BB now quibble over each return, making the whole thing fail.

    The handsets themselves - good email platform, crap at everything else. And the world _is_moving off being email platform centric.
    Blackberry messenger is a bright point, but that should be broken out and made an application layer across all mobile devices. The same could well be said for the application layer and so on.

    Their network is creaking, but is the one serious advantage that they have, but leverage poorly.

    The playbook should have been a blackberry in a tablet form. Instead you needed a BB and as PB to get function. = Fail. Do not now how that ever, ever, ever passed QA and system testing.

    If I were BB, I would go software only, and build my whole thing as a software/API/Network package, and build on that. Make the software a package available on all main platforms (Android, IOS, Others) and sell on data packages, and data transit using BB networks. And I'd radically overhaul BB enterprise server into something cleaner, better supported and easier to install, manage, run.

    If they stay in the handset market, they need a killer phone/tablet BB 10 release, and they need to cut down handsets to one cheap cheerful, and one kickass model (curve/bold) and stop shipping masses of differening handsets, and make the things robust (the current models are not robust, and are inexusably so) And whatever tablet they ship needs to be a full BB.
    (For the record, the playbook was so close to being very very good, and was wrecked by a simplistically small, but incredibly important part, that the whol board and playbook team need to have their heads banged together until they realise how stupid that fail was)

    Not that anyone at BB listens anymore.

    Nuff said.

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    1. Re:Hmmm by HIghoS · · Score: 2

      There's a certain appeal to the BlackBerry PlayBook's bridge functionality. You can have your tablet that pairs to your phone over an encrypted Bluetooth connection and use it's data. So you only require a single data plan, not a separate data plan for both your tablet and phone.

      The other key important feature of Bridge is that it has a seamless integration with the BlackBerry when it comes to it's PIM, so you can take your highly secure and locked down work BlackBerry and as long as your enterprise hasn't blocked this particular feature (which you can via the BES) you'd be able to pull up all your work information (email, calendar, contacts, files, etcetc) on the tablet - and as soon as the Bluetooth connection is broken between the phone and tablet, bingo all information is removed from the tablet - nothing ever stays on the PlayBook via Bridge, so it's safe to use in a corporate or enterprise environment.

      It's a compromise but an interesting one-the PlayBook is more of a companion to your BlackBerry and in an work or enterprise environment it has some key features that make it appealing without having to get into an enterprise level MDM solution and having to support yet another device, and having to have yet another data plan.

      Now... on launch Bridge was the only way to get PIM on the PlayBook that has since changed and is no longer a requirement since OS 2.0 launched.

      There are many reasons why the PlayBook didn't ship with native PIM, but the simplest reason is that that PIM software was obviously not ready for launch back in April of 2011 and they HAD to get it out the door as they had already delayed and it was more important at that point in time to be in the market and show the potential then to continue to delay-they already get so much flack because of this as it is.

      So I personally think they made a compromise and obviously history is so far writing it up as a big mistake. There were a lot of rumours that they were trying to make an emulator for the Java BlackBerry OS just like they did for the Android OS and that is how they were going to do native PIM-this could totally be made up, but it makes a lot of sense if you followed the PlayBook's development and how ... lacking the native PIM was so early on in the OS 2.0 beta's in the early days.

      In either case, I don't really think they had a choice, they needed the PlayBook out in the wild for no other reasons then they needed a way get their new platform out in the wild-and so far if you're a developer and if you actually took a look at the platform it offers a fairly compeling option to port or run your applications on.

      And that's the key about BlackBerry 10... it is a new platform they are launching and what RIM is trying to do is unify what they put on their Phones, Tables, Cars, Kiosk-who knows what else. There is a lot of potential and I for one welcome their continued drive to stay relevant in the market. I don't want to be left with Apple iOS, Google Android, and potentially Microsoft as the only relevent options in the world. All three companies have abused their position and my privacy on numerous occasions and I cannot say RIM ever has.

      There's a lot of hate on them right now. It is what it is. Sadly it seems everyone forgets how quickly these markets are growing and how fast things can change. I don't think RIM will ever dominate again, but they are going to cut up a section of the market and hold onto it it like no other. You don't have to be #1 or #2 to be successful. You can be #5 and still be doing business and making money. Otherwise we'd all starve to death ;-)

  13. He's not *that* honest by Rogerborg · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm curious why you decided to take the helm at RIM?

    Surely it should be: Money, Al. Huge, heaving, throbbing piles of money, more money than you'll ever see in your entire life, more money than you can possibly imagine.

    No matter how much of this festering dinosaur I have to carve off and throw to the dino-wolves, there will still be more than I can eat, and I'm going to gorge myself on its rotting corpse until we're down to the lips and asshole.

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  14. Re:They STILL have the BEST KEYBOARD by h4rr4r · · Score: 2

    If you mean that crappy portrait mode keyboard, then there are android devices like that.

    I hate them, and would much prefer a slide out keyboard of reasonable size but they exist.

    Here is one example:
    http://www.androidauthority.com/motorola-defy-pro-is-the-first-ruggedized-android-phone-with-a-physical-qwerty-keyboard-99976/

    You will be sacrificing everything for that though, battery, screen, ram, a good SOC. These are only ever low end to midrange at best devices. Any BB user who is not lying to himself would be ecstatic at the upgrade though.

  15. In five years by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 2

    Heins will likely join the list of people such as Jonathan Schwartz (Sun Microsystems) and whoever ran DEC at the end as the final CEO of a defunct technology company that one time was a major player. But RIM will likely outlast Nokia for whatever comfort that is worth.

  16. ^^^ Exactly by Picass0 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    We only just recently turned in our pagers at work ( ! ) Meanwhile I own a Samsung Galaxy 2S (Sprint Epic Touch) which is better than 90% of the phones I see during the day. One concern is proprietary info on personal devices - most phones will play friendly with exchange servers, but companies don't want you to have that stuff on your personal device if you are fired or quit.

    I think part of the reason isn't enterprises being "stuck in the past", but they are more cautious when deploying new systems and approving software for use.

    The economy is another factor. The machine at your desk is already paid for.

    New machines vs. someone salary - it's better to keep your job.

  17. So if LTE is the problem.... by Karlt1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    then how is the worlds most profitable cell phone company selling only 3G phones?

  18. I like John Dvorak. by Picass0 · · Score: 2

    He's proof that ANYBODY can find a job, no skill required, even in this economy.

  19. Re:I blame by MightyMartian · · Score: 3, Funny

    Better than the first choice. Imagine calling out on your Dirty Sanchez Storm.

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  20. RIM, you're not paying attention by erroneus · · Score: 2

    The market is doing what it does... it changes. It is the wet dream of every maker/vendor to think they "control the market" in some way. But before they know what hit them, them market changes direction and they are still moving in the same [now wrong] direction they were moving in when the market changed.

    What could RIM do to save their business model? ADAPT.

    Don't toss out those BES's. Don't write off those patents. Build an android phone and then build a blackberry inside of it. Make it a tight little ball that encrypts the file system of the VM it runs in... or better, add its own processor, dedicated to doing blackberry functions. This Real/VM could live inside of "The New Blackberry" which is an Android phone and gets updates and all that, but also comes with an app that enables the blackberry within to talk to the screen and other UI elements and, of course, can share the network.

    They won't have to compromise security with this approach. The blackberry within will still be tight and nearly unbreakable. Plus it won't be burdened with 3rd party apps! It will just be plain, vanilla, predictable and stable. Want apps? Run them on the Android side.

  21. Re:^^^ Exactly by stokessd · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Plus one way pagers are allowed into places that no cell phone would be allowed. like all tech, they have a place

    Sheldon

  22. LTE by phorm · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Maybe not LTE per-se, but faster networks played at part.
    When Blackberry was a shining star, most of their core functionality centered around (comparatively) low-bandwidth textual data exchange. Email, BBIM. Sometimes they might pump a bigger chunk of data but overall nothing compared to media-laden webpages and youtube, etc. Apps generally weren't all that huge either.

    Then you bring out Apple and Android. Web-browser, music store, media, and apps that can be 20+MB to download (plus a few hundred for "content" at times). If we had been stuck at 2G speeds then the best phone-browser would still have been a fairly irritating experience speed-wise. At 3G browsing is fine, but faster networks have enabled "smart" devices to become media hubs for video-conferencing, tethering, movies and live streaming.

    There's a lot more than just "fast networks" at play, but it may have been a contributing factor. That said, it was also a predictable one that RIM should have been prepared for.

  23. He still does not get it by Shompol · · Score: 2

    Lots of MBA speak and imaginary "what did we miss" reasons, but he still does not get the real reason: they are stuck with the "was cool 6 years ago" paradigm. Blackberry Storm is a move in the right direction, but they say it is an utter failure.
    Is he the CEO? I would not bet on Blackberry making a comeback.

  24. This is why some Sony phones can't be unlocked by tlambert · · Score: 2

    They use a Qualcomm Snapdragon single core chip which uses TZones in order to implement the moral equivalent of a hypervisor to run the baseband firmware on the same processor they use to run the UI.

    Since there are four published exploits for the TZone model, letting people unlock the phones would let them have access to the baseband software, and through that, the ability to modify the SDR (Software Defined Radio) to operate outside of FCC/pick_your_country's_regulator spectrum.

    Since the regulators have a gentleman's agreement to allow licensing of SDRs only as combined software/hardware blobs, this tends to piss them off and revoke licensing.

    The newer Sony dual-core phones are permitted to be unlocked for developers because they avoid this vulnerability.

  25. Over Analysis by stewbacca · · Score: 2

    RIM has to be the most ridiculously over-analyzed business failure in history. Pick up a Blackberry, use it for 5 minutes. Pick up an Android or iOS device and use it for 5 minutes. Blackberry is terrible, by comparison, and there are only so many stiffs on the planet to justify the "enterprise" features of Blackberry over the other fully capable, yet better designed devices. They simply tried to duplicate the 1990s Microsoft business model of selling a bunch of boring stuff at razor thin profit margins to business stiffs who don't care about anything but the bottom line price. Problem is, people expect more from business tools these days.

    Here's a fun anecdote...circa 2008 all the program managers were toting around their Blackberries (the ones with the stupid scroll wheel). In a meeting and someone needs to check something on the Internet...bunch of dopey PMs whip out their Blackberries but none of them can successfully find/get to/access the web page we are trying to look at. I whip out my shiny new first gen iPhone and am on the site in 5 seconds. Also, for all it's supposed "enterprise functionality" same PMs would come to me on business trips to fill out our time cards (required daily by government contracts) because their "enterprise" Blackberries had problems reliably accessing the VPN to get to the timecard. They also couldn't get their email when they had VPN access issues. You know what connected flawlessly to our Exchange Server via VPN without any need to put an IT ticket in and be without a device for a week? Yeah, my iPhone (and my coworkers' Androids as well).

    So yeah. Be first to market for enterprise level tools on a phone but then spend the rest of your existence being last to adopt things like "touch screens" and there ya go. Business failure.