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Movie Review: The Dark Knight Rises

Unless you've managed to not watch anything in the past three weeks, you're aware that Chris Nolan's final Batman movie is out. With Christian Bale as the low-talking caped crusader, The Dark Knight Rises is two hours and forty-five minutes of of fun. While it lacks a stand-out personal performance like Heath Ledger's Joker in The Dark Knight, it is still a decent ending to this round of Batman movies. There are plenty of familiar faces, and a few new ones as well. Read below for my take on the movie, but be warned: there might be a few spoilers. The movie starts out eight years after The Dark Knight. Batman has taken the blame for the death of district attorney Harvey Dent, and has disappeared from the public eye. Thanks to the passing of "The Dent Act," organized crime has been wiped out in Gotham, and the police find themselves increasingly obsolete. That all changes with the arrival of the villains. Since it was decided at some point in the 90s that all comic book movies needed at least two villains, in The Dark Knight Rises we have Bane and Catwoman.

Bane is played by Tom Hardy. Despite what Rush Limbaugh suggests, Bane is not connected to Mitt Romney, but was introduced in January 1993 and is best known for breaking Batman's back during the Knighfall comic series. He was even played terribly by a professional wrestler in 1997's Batman & Robin. I must admit that I was worried after reading reviews about how hard it was to hear Bane speak that the movie would degenerate into a low-talking competition between Hardy and Bale. They must have fixed the audio issues, because Bane's voice is certainly loud, if not the clearest at all times. To get an idea of what Bane sounds like, imagine Bill Cosby speaking with an English accent through a Darth Vader filter. The Bane in the movie shares little with the Bane from the comics, so he might not be to the liking of the purists, but he does a decent enough job of being a moderately intelligent juggernaut, and is the main villain in the story.

Ann Hathaway dons the cat ears as Selina Kyle, better known as Catwoman in The Dark Knight Rises. All to often, female characters are little more than Kung-Fu cliched eye candy in comic movies. Nolan avoids this with Hathaway, but barely. Instead of a hot chick in a skin-tight, black leather outfit who is one bad fall from becoming the headliner at the local furry convention, Hathaway is a hot chick in a skin-tight, black leather outfit who plays a small but important role in the overall story arc.

Plenty of old characters reprise their roles, including Gary Oldman as Commissioner Gordon, Morgan Freeman as Lucius Fox, and Michael Caine as Alfred. Some old villains even show up for this final installment. New to the mix this time are Joseph Gordon-Levitt and Matthew Modine, who play the cop everyone likes to love and the cop that everyone loves to hate, respectively.

For those of you who like the military look of Nolan's Batman vehicles over the more stylized Bat-vehicles of past movies, this one does not disappoint. The Batbike gets plenty of air time, as well as multiple Batmobiles driving around the city. This time around, the Batcopter makes its debut. While I think it looks more like something the Space Marines would fly around while fighting Aliens, it is consistent with the franchise's aesthetics.

Overall, a large portion of the story reminds me of a post-apocalyptic movie, with a Gotham that has existed in anarchy for many months. There are some decent fight scenes, including a small army of mercenaries fighting thousands of police in the streets while Batman and Bane duke it out in front of City Hall. There aren't a lot of surprises, and there aren't any stand-out performances, but there isn't a lot to dislike either. This was supposed to be the last of Nolan's Batman movies, but the ending leaves the possibility of another wide open, and I would not be surprised if another was made (assuming Rises makes enough money). So many movies — comic movies in particular — degenerate quickly with each sequel, and having to exist in the shadow of Heath Ledger is a daunting task. The Dark Knight Rises does a good job of stepping out of that shadow, however, and delivers for me, the best story of the series.

263 comments

  1. Awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    This was awesome clahbpah

  2. Too soon? by hawks5999 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Are we ready for frank and open discussions of this movie yet?

    1. Re:Too soon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      im ready! ive never seen batman.. let's discuss it

    2. Re:Too soon? by Rev+Saxon · · Score: 0

      Yes. It sucked.

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    3. Re:Too soon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Are we ready for frank discussions of people getting shot at the theatre, and the likelihood that their traumatized kids will turn into becaped vigilantes?

    4. Re:Too soon? by siddesu · · Score: 5, Funny

      Way too soon. Not even a CAM release available.

    5. Re:Too soon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      oh man, imagine if there was a bootlegger in the theater caming the shit?

    6. Re:Too soon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i am actually for this. we need a new breed of hero!

    7. Re:Too soon? by siddesu · · Score: 1

      And that he managed to switch the night vision mode on ...

    8. Re:Too soon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To my disappointment a guy in a Batman costume fled the theater. This would never have happened during Adam West's time.

    9. Re:Too soon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I bet they'd get years in jail once the MPAA got involved.

    10. Re:Too soon? by bhagwad · · Score: 1, Interesting
    11. Re:Too soon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Are we ready for frank discussions of people getting shot at the theatre, and the likelihood that their traumatized kids will turn into becaped vigilantes?

      I never thought of that - the irony of this whole incident.

      Usually when shit like that happens, people blame the object of the killing and not the individual.

      Kid dies from a drunk driver? Not the driver's irresponsibility! It's the fact that drunk driving laws aren't strict enough and we need to search everyone randomly at checkpoints regardless of probable cause. And if you protest then you approve of drunk driving!

      More than likely, those kids who lost their parents or other loved ones in that ridiculous incident will make them life long proponents of gun control and even the elimination of our Second Amendment right here in the US. They won't blame that individual - they'll blame our gun laws and our gun "culture".

      I'm sure if the nut case used molotov cocktails, they would be screaming at the ease of getting gasoline or some such.

      We always want to blame the one thing that "caused" the problem. The trouble is that there are always a multitude of reasons and causes. Time will tell if the killer was mentally ill, a member of some sort of anti-movie militia, neo-NAZI, or just some very angry person that needed to "get back at society" or any combination of those and then some. And then there is the issue of why he felt that way. What primed the pump? Was he abused as a child? Did he grow up in an alcoholic family? And so on.

      It's easy to blame an individual or his methods but we should really ask ourselves why is our society producing these people? Or why aren't we discovering ill folks and getting them the help they need or if necessary confining them? We can eliminate the methods (guns, gas, fertilizer, CO2, car exhaust) but these disturbed folks will find a way. And some folks in the past of convinced their countrymen and their military to do it for them.

    12. Re:Too soon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, I bet they'd get years in jail once the MPAA got involved.

      The mass murderer, or the bootlegger? Since you mentioned the MPAA, I'm going to guess you meant the bootlegger. The shooter would probably get out of jail decades before the guy filming the movie.

    13. Re:Too soon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why so serious?
      http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/s720x720/600066_463087100376020_1866026599_n.jpg

    14. Re:Too soon? by ThatsMyNick · · Score: 2

      For me, the villian is the most important part of a batman comic. Joker & Bane have been portrayed really well, that I cant complain about anything else.

    15. Re:Too soon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sure if the nut case used molotov cocktails, they would be screaming at the ease of getting gasoline or some such.

      We had our second amendment thread this morning.

      This is a first amendment thread: Now we know why the First Amendment doesn't protect the right to yell FIRE in a crowded theater!

      /one ticket for the movie, and another ticket to hell :)

    16. Re:Too soon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Sup dawg, I herd you liek batman, so I killed your parents.

    17. Re:Too soon? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Are we ready for frank and open discussions of this movie yet?

      We were never ready for frank and open discussions.

      Where the hell do you think you are?

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    18. Re:Too soon? by EdIII · · Score: 2

      Nooo..... Joker was portrayed excellently.

      Say what you will about the first movie, but Heath Ledger made the 2nd movie stand out all on its own with his performance. It was eerily good.

    19. Re:Too soon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most batman films only work if you give a shit about Batman. I don't. Nolan's films are entertaining in their own right. Not authentic Batman? What do I care?

    20. Re:Too soon? by tgd · · Score: 0

      It might be too soon to say you went and saw it and weren't really blown away.

    21. Re:Too soon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nooo..... Joker was portrayed excellently.

      Say what you will about the first movie, but Heath Ledger made the 2nd movie stand out all on its own with his performance. It was eerily good.

      No. Sorry. Heath Ledger played a psychopathic clown, more akin to a Juggalo than the Joker. Can you name a single joke Heath Ledger even told? The only thing I laughed at, honestly, was his disappearing pencil "trick".

      Jack Nicholson played an excellent Joker. A sociopathic prankster. Truly, the most excellent of the recent movie incarnations of the Joker.

    22. Re:Too soon? by Alien1024 · · Score: 1

      Too soon, why?

      This is a horrible tragedy, but it's not like the movie is to blame.

      Rottentomatoes.com contains 200-odd reviews (mostly positive), quite a few of them posted after the shooting. Another question, of course, is whether a movie review belongs on Slashdot's front page, and not even on the Idle section.

    23. Re:Too soon? by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      Kid dies from a drunk driver? Not the driver's irresponsibility! It's the fact that drunk driving laws aren't strict enough and we need to search everyone randomly at checkpoints regardless of probable cause. And if you protest then you approve of drunk driving!

      One of the problems with drunk driving deaths, in the past, was that prosecution wasn't strict enough. They'd just say, "the alcohol made him do it, it wasn't his fault" and the killer would walk free. Our (USA) culture used to be extremely tolerant of drunk driving and the inevitable accidents that resulted. This may be part of what caused certain groups of citizens to push so hard for strong measures to combat drunk driving.

      I doubt this guy, like any other mass shooter, is going to be treated very leniently like that.

      And you're right about the molotov cocktails. There isn't much that would stop some nut from throwing a bunch of those into a crowded theater, though I doubt it'd be quite as effective as firearms. But there's plenty of other ways to go on murderous rampages, such as just driving your car into a crowd of people. Some old guy did that in California about a decade ago, and last I heard, they basically let him walk free, even after he blamed the pedestrians (in an open-air market) for not jumping out of the way fast enough.

    24. Re:Too soon? by EdIII · · Score: 2

      Jack.. is that you?

    25. Re:Too soon? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2

      Bruce Wayne is the mask

      That's the most important thing you could say about it. The big failing of the Nolan movies for me is that Bruce Wayne is toying around with the idea of being Batman, and he thinks he likes it.

      That said, I enjoyed the second one as a good film, if not good Batman.

      Ah, well - maybe they'll get JMS to pen the next reboot.

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    26. Re:Too soon? by Mabhatter · · Score: 1

      The MPAA might send in somebody to shoot you during the movie!

    27. Re:Too soon? by Mabhatter · · Score: 0

      The shooter was just looking for pirates. AM radio told him to do it.

      You know how much the MPAA trusts their customers!

    28. Re:Too soon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      ...

      And you're right about the molotov cocktails. There isn't much that would stop some nut from throwing a bunch of those into a crowded theater, though I doubt it'd be quite as effective as firearms. ...

      Oh really? The shooter had four loaded guns, no opposition, and only killed about a dozen people in a full theater. Think about that. He wounded what? 70-something?

      Toss a few large molotov cocktails in that situation and you'll probably burn a lot of people to death - a death that's a lot more painful than getting shot, probably. And never mind the ones with massive burns over significant parts of their body that survive.

      Now, imagine how much worse that would be if with a bit of soap added to the gasoline to make some napalm...

    29. Re:Too soon? by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      No, don't think I can bring myself to see it in a theater. Maybe on Blu-Ray. Maybe.

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    30. Re:Too soon? by Mabhatter · · Score: 1

      Considering the incident occurred at the midnight showing, what they hell did the other reviewers watch?

    31. Re:Too soon? by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      Well, this is all conjecture of course, but I'm thinking if someone threw a handful of molotov cocktails into a crowded theater, people would run for the exit; it would take a minute or two for the room to be engulfed in flames most likely, so most people would escape. Of course, some people would get burns, and some people might get injured in the stampede, there might even be a couple deaths from those two factors, but I'm thinking the death toll would be lower than with guns. Also, I'm not sure how well molotov cocktails would work in a crowded theater anyway; aren't they basically glass bottles filled with gasoline? Well, to break them open, they'd have to hit something hard, like the concrete floor, and they have to hit it hard enough to actually shatter. Some glass bottles are surprisingly strong these days (probably to avoid shipping breakage). And a crowded theater is full of human bodies, which are fairly soft; hitting someone with a molotov cocktail isn't going to engulf them in flames, it'll just give them a bad bruise, so you'd have to make sure your bottles actually hit the floor directly with high speed, rather than bouncing off a nice soft person or a padded seat instead. With the tiny amount of space between rows in a modern theater, that could be pretty challenging; you'd probably have to settle for just throwing the bottles in the aisleways.

    32. Re:Too soon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Blah, that guy was the worst actor ever. He totally ruined the batman movie.

    33. Re:Too soon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually it's a mixture of gasoline and basically soap. And there's always much better accelerators than than gasoline. And of course you can modify a bottle easy enough to make it break on the slightest impact.

      Or he could have just walked outside and got a popcorn tub full of explosives, whatever.

    34. Re:Too soon? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Yes, explosives would probably be move devastating. As for modifying the bottle, I don't know if I'd expect some moron like this to try that. People who pull these things off usually aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer; just look at this guy, he had 4 guns and a bunch of ammo and he only managed to kill 12. Obviously, he wasn't the best shot (thankfully).

    35. Re:Too soon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wait... in THIS case would yelling fire in the theater be considered ok? or just redundant?, either way it wouldnt be wrong correct???

    36. Re:Too soon? by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      as a juggalo, i take offense to that. while I do feel he did a great job, ( i assume that is what you meant) there was nothing really juggalo about him

      Personally of all the batman movies, batman returns is my favorite

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    37. Re:Too soon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why does the US have a shooting murder rate that is 5 times higher than the UK (I'm not from the UK)?

      Why is the traffic related death rate 4 times higher in the US than in the UK (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate)?

      Seems like regulation can have benefits.

      In the EU there is a huge focus on car safety standards. Likewise with gun regulation.

    38. Re:Too soon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I had mod points, I'd shower you with them. You're right on the money.

    39. Re:Too soon? by pellik · · Score: 1

      If someone comes into a theater holding a gun to people you should not yell 'Fire' !

    40. Re:Too soon? by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      Our (USA) culture used to be extremely tolerant of drunk driving

      Used to be?

      Most people I know still don't think twice about having some drinks and hitting the road....maybe what you describe is more regional in the US...?

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    41. Re:Too soon? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      I don't know, it might be. But one big difference I see, at least in my region and in other regions I've lived in, is that enforcement is very strict these days. Back in Virginia, they even used to have checkpoints on certain roads at late hours. Here in Arizona, cops are very zealous about arresting people for DUI, and then they go to the infamous Sheriff Joe's "Tent City" and spend a weekend there in the sweltering heat. It seems to be a pretty big money-maker too from what I've heard from people who've been nabbed. There isn't that much enforcement of speeding laws here in Phoenix (people drive 85 all the time on the freeways), but you're really asking for jail time and thousands of dollars in fines if you're caught with any alcohol on your breath.

      However, from what I hear from older people, back in the 70s, 60s, etc. there was little to no enforcement of DUI laws, if they even had any, and when someone was killed in a drunk-driving accident, the mentality was that "it was just an accident". These days, when someone gets hurt or killed by a drunk, people want to get torches and pitchforks (and rightfully so), even though oddly, a significant percentage of the population still engages in impaired driving, though it's hard to tell if there's much overlap in those two groups.

    42. Re:Too soon? by michelcolman · · Score: 1

      It's easy to blame an individual or his methods but we should really ask ourselves why is our society producing these people? Or why aren't we discovering ill folks and getting them the help they need or if necessary confining them?

      So you are suggesting that everyone should be psychologically profiled and, if his profile doesn't match "normal" standards (too quiet, not social enough), we put him behind bars? Without a trial of course, just based on the opinion of the psychologist. Because he might be dangerous.

      Slashdot would become a pretty quiet place...

    43. Re:Too soon? by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 0

      The trouble is that there are always a multitude of reasons and causes. Time will tell if the killer was mentally ill, a member of some sort of anti-movie militia, neo-NAZI, or just some very angry person that needed to "get back at society" or any combination of those and then some.

      Don't rule out political motivations of government officials. We have already seen Eric Holder sending thousands of guns to Mexico in an attempt to drum up public support for stricter gun control. And now just one week before the Senate vote on the very controversial United Nation Small Arms Treaty comes this tragic, highly publicized tragic killing of a theater full of people. And it's committed by an unemployed graduate student that somehow had tens of thousands of dollars worth of military-grade equipment, sophisticated booby traps in his apartment, and the training to enable him to use it all.

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    44. Re:Too soon? by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      As for modifying the bottle, I don't know if I'd expect some moron like this to try that.

      Well, he did seem to spend some time preparing - and put enough thought into it to don a ballistic vest, helmet and a gas mask, and use gas to disorient the crowd.

    45. Re:Too soon? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Maybe, but it doesn't look like he spent any time at the shooting range (thankfully).

    46. Re:Too soon? by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      True, 15 kills in 15 minutes is really bad. That said, if he was really shooting as fast as he could, I find it hard to believe that this could be a result - rifles (unlike handguns) are pretty easy to use efficiently even with minimal skill. Most people, even shooting for the first time in their life, can group bullets within a couple inches at 10-15 yards, which is quite enough to kill. I think it's more likely that he was deliberately taking his time picking specific targets based on some obscure criteria.

    47. Re:Too soon? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Hmm, that is a possibility. You're right, long guns are a lot easier to shoot accurately than handguns, even for people with relatively little skill.

    48. Re:Too soon? by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      Much more relaxed in New Orleans, and in the south east in general....

      I don't know that I've ever SEEN a dwi checkpoint. Good thing too...

      :)

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    49. Re:Too soon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Checkpoints are an abomination.

    50. Re:Too soon? by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 1

      So you're suggesting that what we have now is working so well that we don't need to look any further for a better solution?

    51. Re:Too soon? by michelcolman · · Score: 1

      Locking people up based on just a psychological profile seems to me to be a bad idea. And this particular person, a very bright student, probably would have aced such tests anyway. Psychiatrists are notorious for misdiagnosing people, locking up sane people and letting pedophiles and serial killers walk free. And when would he have been tested anyway? Should all people have such a test once a year?

      The way I see it, the biggest problem is that anyone can walk into a store and buy an assault rifle. Not just a hunting rifle or a handgun for personal defense (which already require a license in most countries), but the kind of weapon that is intended for actual warfare. I'll probably get modded down for this, but for Europeans this is quite unbelievable. So if there's anything you want to change to what you have now, maybe start there.

      Sure, there are other ways of causing damage, there was a weirdo here in Belgium who attacked a day care center armed only with knives, but I don't think there's a sensible way to screen people to avoid this sort of thing without locking up thousands of innocent people.

    52. Re:Too soon? by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 1

      So if there's anything you want to change to what you have now, maybe start there.

      It's perhaps a technicality but assault rifles are a specific class of weapons that are highly illegal and nearly impossible to buy legally here in the US. That said, I can see why you'd find it unbelievable. As much as gun-control opponents would like to deny it (and I'm one of them) the logic here is pretty unassailable: someone with a semiautomatic weapon will typically do a lot more damage before being brought under control than will someone with just about any other type of legal weapon. The other side of that coin is that there is a well-established black market for weapons already - so by further restricting them you only give more power to the people who will buy them anyway.

      Locking people up based on just a psychological profile seems to me to be a bad idea. And this particular person, a very bright student, probably would have aced such tests anyway. Psychiatrists are notorious for misdiagnosing people, locking up sane people and letting pedophiles and serial killers walk free. And when would he have been tested anyway? Should all people have such a test once a year?

      Agreed, this is a slippery slope. BUt I don't think that's what GP was suggesting.

      I don't think there's a sensible way to screen people to avoid this sort of thing without locking up thousands of innocent people.

      What if instead we can work on better identifying underlying root causes and risk factors? In that way we can try to address them - obviating the need to lock people up at all.

    53. Re:Too soon? by michelcolman · · Score: 1

      The other side of that coin is that there is a well-established black market for weapons already - so by further restricting them you only give more power to the people who will buy them anyway.

      Would this person have been able to get his four guns and an enormous amount of ammo from the black market? Personally, I wouldn't even know who to talk to and would be afraid to go to the places where this black market stuff is sold. Maybe through friends who know other friends, but they'd probably ask too many questions and I wouldn't be comfortable doing it. And online on some shady site? Don't think so. If I did that in Belgium, I wouldn't be surprised if the cops showed up instead of the package. Actually, I would be surprised if I did receive the goods without problems.

      Real gangsters, obviously, will always have access to this sort of weapons. But they are less likely to start shooting randomly in a theater or high school. And I know that as a home owner you might want to protect yourself from real gangsters, but a simple handgun will be more than enough for that purpose.

      What if instead we can work on better identifying underlying root causes and risk factors? In that way we can try to address them - obviating the need to lock people up at all.

      But what could have been done to "identify" and "address" the root causes in this case? He was a brilliant student, just a bit quiet, but lots of us are. If someone starts shooting random people because he or she doesn't like mondays, how are you going to predict and/or avoid that? Mandatory medication for quiet people? I know I'm exaggerating, but really, what can you do?

      Except, maybe, making it a little harder to get those guns? A relatively low threshold might have been sufficient. Getting a licence, for example. That doesn't keep people from protecting themselves, but it may keep a relatively uninitiated student from going that extra mile, especially since it's not so anonymous anymore. Going into a shop and saying "I would like to buy that gun" is a lot easier than going to a government agency and saying "I would like to follow a course and get a licence for firearms for this or that purpose, here's my name and address" (and possibly, in that case, talk to some sort of psychologist first).

  3. Re:what I heard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Too soon

    captcha: bombed

  4. To bad heath ledger died he was real good in the l by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 0

    To bad heath ledger died he was real good in the last movie and should of been in this one as well.

  5. The movie was too violent for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    too many guns and killings. I fear that some impressionable youth will try to imitate batman and get himself hurt. Or even worse, someone will imitate the villain and kill innocent bystanders will guns.

    The government needs to step in and forbid such violent movies that glorify guns and violence. PG-13 ratings by MPAA isn't working. And guns need to be banned, period. Only military and police should have guns.

    1. Re:The movie was too violent for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not sure if srs or just trollin'.

    2. Re:The movie was too violent for me by Jeng · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why stop with guns?

      http://www.top10stop.com/lifestyle/top-10-most-common-murder-weapons

      The third most common murder weapons are body parts such hands, feet, fists and head. Throwing a punch, a head-butt or a kick against another personâ(TM)s head usually has fatal consequences and unfortunately many people have been murdered as such. In 2008 it is reported that 861 lost their lives by fatal body blows in the US.

      Just think of how many lives would be saved if we just cut off everyone's hands.

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    3. Re:The movie was too violent for me by siddesu · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No reason to stop with guns, but according to your list, they'd be a good place to start.

    4. Re:The movie was too violent for me by godel_56 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why stop with guns?

      http://www.top10stop.com/lifestyle/top-10-most-common-murder-weapons

      The third most common murder weapons are body parts such hands, feet, fists and head. Throwing a punch, a head-butt or a kick against another personâ(TM)s head usually has fatal consequences and unfortunately many people have been murdered as such. In 2008 it is reported that 861 lost their lives by fatal body blows in the US.

      Just think of how many lives would be saved if we just cut off everyone's hands.

      Good luck killing 12 people (so far) in one place with your hands and feet. A typical assault rifle clip holds 30 rounds, and he changed clips at least once according to early reports.

      "It's the gun laws, stupid", (at least in large part).

    5. Re:The movie was too violent for me by siddesu · · Score: 0

      I don't. But please bear your arms only when you're properly organized in a militia in order to defend yourself against an evil government, as the second amendment states you should.

    6. Re:The movie was too violent for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Just think of how many lives would be saved if we just cut off everyone's hands.

      Because seriously, I can't think of how many times a maniac has broken into a crowded theater and kicked 12 people to death, amirite?

      Why the fuck is this even an argument: do you have to hand your BRAIN in when you get an NRA membership, or is it just a self-selection effect?

    7. Re:The movie was too violent for me by Translation+Error · · Score: 1

      Or heads.

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    8. Re:The movie was too violent for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Throwing a punch, a head-butt or a kick against another person's head usually has fatal consequences

      This is some incredible horseshit. Bar fights are not uncommon. Fatalities are.

    9. Re:The movie was too violent for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not hard for an actual dangerous man. A serial murderer can get way more victims and do far more imaginative things to them than a spree killer. Guns are for defense, not for satisfying murder. So pass your gun laws...the wolves are waiting.

    10. Re:The movie was too violent for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He used an AR-15 (or knockoff), which uses a magazine, but no clip.

    11. Re:The movie was too violent for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just think of how many lives would be saved if we just cut off everyone's hands.

      If you're paying attention to the news, it doesn't seem like most people are using them, and so it would be of no great loss.

    12. Re:The movie was too violent for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It does no such thing.

      "The Amendment’s prefatory clause announces a purpose, but does not limit or expand the scope of the second part, the operative clause."
        - District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008)

    13. Re:The movie was too violent for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Throwing a punch, a head-butt or a kick against another personâ(TM)s head usually has fatal consequences and unfortunately many people have been murdered as such.

      It sounds quite reasonable that many people have been murdered from punches and kicks to the head. However, it is absolutely ridiculously false that punching someone in the head will usually kill them. If so all boxing matches would have a fatal end which isn't the case and boxers punch much harder than the average person off the street does. Put this another way, would you rather be shot in the head (or anywhere else) than have an average person take a swing at your head? I don't enjoy punches to the head, even from an average person, but I'd take that over being shot any day.

      Anyway, the reason many people argue to ban guns is that guns are very deadly and they don't have many practical uses. They are pretty much only practically useful in hunting and it's fine for hunters to have a certificate to carry guns while actually hunting and after showing sufficient commitment to wanting to hunt in the first place and receiving training in how to handle and use a gun. In contrast hands are much, much less deadly, they are practically never deadly by accident and they have many practical uses. None of that is true of guns.

    14. Re:The movie was too violent for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe you should learn to read 1700s-era English before making moronic comments about things written in it.

    15. Re:The movie was too violent for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or maybe you should.

    16. Re:The movie was too violent for me by Oligonicella · · Score: 0

      "Throwing a punch, a head-butt or a kick against another personÃ(TM)s head usually has fatal consequences and unfortunately many people have been murdered as such."

      Simply put, this is bullshit. It's fairly difficult to kill someone with a punch to the head.

    17. Re:The movie was too violent for me by Mspangler · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      "But please bear your arms only when you're properly organized in a militia "

      I am, and so are you if you are male, the law is still a bit sexist;

      "10 USC 311 - MILITIA: COMPOSITION AND CLASSES"

      "(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard."

    18. Re:The movie was too violent for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If guns didn't exist, what was stopping this lunatic throwing a few molotov cocktails into the crowd? Or ramming a truck into a schoolbus?

    19. Re:The movie was too violent for me by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 0

      A typical assault rifle clip holds 30 rounds, and he changed clips at least once according to early reports.

      Of course, he didn't have an assault rifle, since those are pretty much illegal to own without an FFL, which he didn't have.

      What he had was a semi-automatic rifle. And if he'd been using one with a five round magazine, he'd still have been able to kill a dozen or so people. It's not like it takes more than a couple-three seconds to swap magazines (or to reload with a stripper clip, if you don't have a detachable magazine).

      And it's not like you only are allowed to have two magazines.

      --

      "I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
    20. Re:The movie was too violent for me by ub3r+n3u7r4l1st · · Score: 0

      This type of BS probably will not happen in China.

    21. Re:The movie was too violent for me by Mabhatter · · Score: 0

      But "arms" clearly means guns. The second amendment says nothing about any right to ACTUAL ARMS (or other forms of weapons, only 18th century GUNS). especially with fingers at the ends.

      What good will guns be when they take away hands?

    22. Re:The movie was too violent for me by genkernel · · Score: 0

      Trolling, the post is assuming that a system run by the MPAA is good and should work. You just don't see that in a serious post on Slashdot. And if it is, you don't take it seriously anyways :P

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    23. Re:The movie was too violent for me by rubycodez · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      Let me help you with 18th century english comprehension. "well-regulated" meant "properly functioning"; i.e. to have a properly functioning militia the citizens need to be armed. The Second Amendment says nothing about being in an oraganized militia to have arms. The militia was every able-bodied male. even my Illinois state constituion defines it that way.

    24. Re:The movie was too violent for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

      Kenneth Bianchi (the Hillside Strangler) and his cousin killed 12 people without using a gun. I`ll leave it to the gp poster to tell the families of those people that it doesn`t count though, because it wasn`t all "ìn one place."

    25. Re:The movie was too violent for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The reason the fuck this is argument is because people who want to hurt others will find a way to do it, gun or no gun. What if some nut takes a wrench and loosens the bolts on a carnival ride and 30 people die? Is your response to ban wrenches? Because that`s the common opinion here: just ban whatever means was used, forgot about looking for actual causes and real solutions, because that`s haaaard.

    26. Re:The movie was too violent for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't. But please bear your arms only when you're properly organized in a militia in order to defend yourself against an evil government, as the second amendment states you should.

      You fail it. It is understanding the Constitution.

    27. Re:The movie was too violent for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are just doing it wrong.
      Try the brain stem.

    28. Re:The movie was too violent for me by matunos · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      There were over 30,000 gun-related deaths in the same year (~45% of them non-suicides). And you're seriously going to cite 861 deaths from body blow for your slippery slope argument?

      When there are less than 900 gun-related deaths in a year (hell, don't even count the suicides), then you can make that point. Until then, find better rhetoric.

    29. Re:The movie was too violent for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/lcod.htm/

      Guns account for about 1.25% of deaths in 2009 and 2010.
      If you subtract suicide by gun, they account for less than half a percent (0.446%).
      Private ownership of guns is what prevents the next Lennin or Mao from killing 100 million of their own population.
      Private ownership of guns gives the peasants teeth against such tyrants.
      Is it worth risking 100million+ slaughtered unarmed peasants by the next Stalin? Or is that 0.446% of non suicide deaths per year caused by guns worth eliminating? I don't think so.
      Let's start instead with eating healthy: (24.1% of deaths - cardiovascular disease).
      Or ban automobiles (less important than the freedom guns guarantee): (1.52% of deaths).
      There are > 2.4 MILLION deaths per year in the united states. Guns cause but 31,513, or 11,015 excluding suicides.
      You are more likely to fall to your death (25,903 (excludes suicides)) than die from a gun (11,015 (excludes suicides)).
      Get real gun grabbers!

    30. Re:The movie was too violent for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Throwing a punch, a head-butt or a kick against another personâ(TM)s head usually has fatal consequences...

      Oh yeah. I remember what a constant blood-bath middle school was. I got suspended three times for manslaughter in front of the gym against the local bully and got murdered twice.

      Guns are totally no worse than fists. I don't even know why anyone bothers with the expensive things anyway when all the cops and soldiers and hunters could just use a little fisticuffs and rasslin' to get the job done.

    31. Re:The movie was too violent for me by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 0

      Guns primary uses are hunting and then to defend against government oppression.

      Guns still have that effect some with local police but have lost that benefit with the state or federal governments any more as both have vastly superior firepower and surveillance capabilities.

      The powerful have set up a system where they were getting 98% of the benefits of society without revolution. As long as the powerful do not get too greedy and shoot for that last 2%, guns are pointless.

      There have been some bad signs over the last decade that they might just be going for it and think the other 98% are going to just suffer and die quietly.

      --
      She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
    32. Re:The movie was too violent for me by sonamchauhan · · Score: 1

      No, but if you cut off everyone's hands, all the top 10 weapons on that list are instantly outmoded

      After that its Lord Vader Jedi mind tricks for you.

    33. Re:The movie was too violent for me by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      Guns primary uses are hunting and then to defend against government oppression.

      Guns still have that effect some with local police but have lost that benefit with the state or federal governments any more as both have vastly superior firepower and surveillance capabilities.

      The powerful have set up a system where they were getting 98% of the benefits of society without revolution. As long as the powerful do not get too greedy and shoot for that last 2%, guns are pointless.

      There have been some bad signs over the last decade that they might just be going for it and think the other 98% are going to just suffer and die quietly.
      --
      She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.

      --
      She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
    34. Re:The movie was too violent for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why stop with guns?

      http://www.top10stop.com/lifestyle/top-10-most-common-murder-weapons

      The third most common murder weapons are body parts such hands, feet, fists and head. Throwing a punch, a head-butt or a kick against another personâ(TM)s head usually has fatal consequences and unfortunately many people have been murdered as such. In 2008 it is reported that 861 lost their lives by fatal body blows in the US.

      Just think of how many lives would be saved if we just cut off everyone's hands.

      Good luck killing 12 people (so far) in one place with your hands and feet. A typical assault rifle clip holds 30 rounds, and he changed clips at least once according to early reports.

      "It's the gun laws, stupid", (at least in large part).

      1. An AR-15 is not an assault rifle.
      2. It is a magazine, not a clip.

      Know of what you speak before opening your mouth

    35. Re:The movie was too violent for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      When was the last time however, that you used gun against government oppression? You are under non-stop surveillance and get groped and checked for papers nowadays even if you board a train apparently. You are not even allowed to protest peacefully against your rich masters. Not oppressive enough for you, yet? Hunting? Yes, killing of other living creatures for mere sport is very "useful" I am sure.

    36. Re:The movie was too violent for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just think of how many lives would be saved if we just cut off everyone's hands.

      Because seriously, I can't think of how many times a maniac has broken into a crowded theater and kicked 12 people to death, amirite?

      Why the fuck is this even an argument: do you have to hand your BRAIN in when you get an NRA membership, or is it just a self-selection effect?

      You know we have laws against killing, right?

  6. Re:what I heard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    way too soon.

  7. The real question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is it better than Magic Mike?

  8. Much to my surprise by Fallingcow · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I didn't like it much.

    It felt like the script needed another good once-over and a trim. It's a thematic mess and takes about twice as long as it ought to to introduce the characters and (poorly, repetitively) present their motivations. Some of the delivery was pretty wooden, especially in the first half, but that may have been the result of mediocre editing (there were also a couple awkward cuts, IMO, so maybe that was it) or the piss-poor dialog. Filled with painful talking-to-the-audience exposition that's so bad it was comical—again, a writing issue.

    For the entire first half I was worried that I'd walk out hating the movie, but fortunately improved somewhat, nearer the end.

    The audio was poor. A fair bit of the dialog (not just Bane's) was hard to pick up. Bane sounded like he wasn't even in the same room—more like a voiceover— an effect which, it seems to me, can only be called an outright mistake on the part of the filmmakers.

    The ending's OK I guess?

    1. Re:Much to my surprise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I didn't like it much.

      It felt like the script needed another good once-over and a trim. It's a thematic mess and takes about twice as long as it ought to to introduce the characters and (poorly, repetitively) present their motivations. Some of the delivery was pretty wooden, especially in the first half, but that may have been the result of mediocre editing (there were also a couple awkward cuts, IMO, so maybe that was it) or the piss-poor dialog. Filled with painful talking-to-the-audience exposition that's so bad it was comical—again, a writing issue.

      For the entire first half I was worried that I'd walk out hating the movie, but fortunately improved somewhat, nearer the end.

      The audio was poor. A fair bit of the dialog (not just Bane's) was hard to pick up. Bane sounded like he wasn't even in the same room—more like a voiceover— an effect which, it seems to me, can only be called an outright mistake on the part of the filmmakers.

      The ending's OK I guess?

      FINALLY someone with some sense!!

      The only thing I disagree with you on and others is bane, I didn't have any trouble understanding him, I thought it was quite clear most of the time actually.

    2. Re:Much to my surprise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >>> (poorly, repetitively) present their motivations.

      I submit that, by definition, half the population is below-average intelligence.

      It's not that we're smarter, it's that no film-maker can afford to leave half the audience behind if he expects to make money. ...this **is** a business proposition more than it is entertainment, after all...

    3. Re:Much to my surprise by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1

      I didn't like it much.

      It felt like the script needed another good once-over and a trim. It's a thematic mess and takes about twice as long as it ought to to introduce the characters and (poorly, repetitively) present their motivations.

      I actually didn't like the last one: too long, too tedious, too overblown, too overhyped.

      If I go see this one at all, it will only be to make sure I get the jokes when I read Cleolinda's send-up.

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      Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
    4. Re:Much to my surprise by BarryHaworth · · Score: 5, Informative

      I didn't like it much.

      I went to see the movie with my kids last night, and liked it a lot less than I expected to.

      SPOILERSSPOILERSSPOILERSSPOILERSSPOILERSSPOILERSSPOILERSSPOILERSSPOILERS

      My main gripe was the set up of how the city was held to ransom for an extended period of time, which simply didn't feel credible. We have a situation where the bad guys manage to hold a city of ~12 million people hostage for a period of about 6 months (not completely sure of the numbers here) by threatening to blow them up with the fusion reactor. The bad guys keep control by their initial army of outlaws who have been training in the city's sewers, augmented by the hundreds liberated from the Bastille - sorry, the prison. During this time no one is allowed to escape because of the threat to blow the nuke, a threat which is enforced from the outside, yet somehow the city manages to function after a fashion - food supplies are provided from the outside, and somehow enough order is maintained that the city doesn't simply collapse. I would expect plagues and famine and riots, not to mention fire after all the explosions at the start of the siege.

      I found this all rather hard to buy. In terms of the story the extended siege is done to give Bruce Wayne time to heal up in his remote prison, and to make his spiritual journey that allows him to escape from it and return to Gotham. I find it hard to believe that such a siege with so many hostages could be maintained - this is a city after all, and would leak people like a sieve. Similarly, the maintenance of order would be a real problem in such circumstances. Least credible of all, I could not swallow that a thousand or so police offices could be trapped underground for six months, somehow supplied with food & such, then be busted out and run off to battle, fully fit and wearing clean uniforms. Really?

      Did anyone else spot all the French Revolution/Tale of Two Cites references? I mean the conflict between aristocracy and underclass, the storming of the prison (the Bastille), the citizens' court against the oppressors, the final sacrifice and Bruce Wayne's epitaph, read from the close of Dickens' A Tale of Two Cities. Interesting to see that put into a modern setting.

      I wondered about some of the technology also. I thought the helicopter thing was pretty neat, though it was fortunate that the missiles fired at it were so slow that the copter could keep ahead while it outmanoeuvred them . Did Bane buy them from the lowest bidder, perhaps? I didn't really buy that the fusion core could be (a) so easily turned into a bomb, or (b) be removable from the reactor and still remain deadly without the need to keep it fuelled or maintained.

      That said, there was a lot to like. I don't think I'll be in a hurry to watch this one again, though - unlike the first two movies in the series.

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    5. Re:Much to my surprise by metrix007 · · Score: 2

      Nolan cited using ATOTC as inspiration, so the similarities you note are not surprising.

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    6. Re:Much to my surprise by chebucto · · Score: 1

      Wait, what?

      Blow up the city with a fusion reactor?

      (Morbo's voice): FISSION REACTORS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY

      That's the same knumbskull mistake Aliens made.

      Just call it a fission reactor and, while it isn't going to blow up in a giant fireball, it's still a credible threat. Yeesh.

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    7. Re:Much to my surprise by greggman · · Score: 1

      Agreed, there were all kinds of problems

      It was reaaalllllyyy ssssssllllloooooowwwwww

      SERIOUS SPOILERS!!! DO NOT READ IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN

      How do you feed 12 million people for 6 months with all the bridges blown up except 1 and the tunnels blocked?

      Why did they hold the city hostage for 6 months if they planned to blow it up anyway? They had the trigger from day 1. The girl pushed the button at one point. What was the 6 months of waiting for?

      What was the point of Miranda keeping it a secret that she was part of the bad guys until the very end? The entire 6 months the city is hostage she pretends to need protection. !!!!

      They catch Batman and put him in a prison on the other side of the world....REALLY? (I suppose that's a form of "Batman Syndrome")

      What happened to Gotham? In the first Dark Knight Gotham is clearly fictional city. There's the Wayne Tower, the double decker elevated monorail train that leads to it. the slum city island. In the second movie there isn't as much fiction but it still didn't seem to match any city. In this movie it was pretty plainly New York City.

  9. still waiting... by spidercoz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    for Warners to make a Batman movie as good as Mask of the Phantasm

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    1. Re:still waiting... by bhagwad · · Score: 1

      I want a Batman movie like "Sin City" or "Watchmen"

    2. Re:still waiting... by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1

      I want a Batman movie like "Sin City" or "Watchmen"

      Batman with a big blue bent wiener? That'll scare the supervillians off.

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      Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
    3. Re:still waiting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I want a Batman movie like "Sin City" or "Watchmen"

      Batman with a big blue bent wiener? That'll scare the supervillians off.

      It amazes me that people can see Watchmen and come out of it all beavis and butthead. "heh...heh...penis. heh...heh...heh"

      With a story that deep, that's really all you got out of it? Holy shit.

  10. Re:Slashdot incredibly tone deaf for posting this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    100 people die per day on our roads.

    We cannot review cars?

  11. Re:To bad heath ledger died he was real good in th by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    And you should have been in your English classes.

  12. Re:Slashdot incredibly tone deaf for posting this by MightyMartian · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    And why not? It's just a movie. Do you refuse to listen to Led Zeppelin I because there's a picture of the Hindeburg on the front?

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  13. Re:Slashdot incredibly tone deaf for posting this by Freddybear · · Score: 1

    Naw, it's a great time. There's a whole other thread for you to angst in.

  14. Re:Slashdot incredibly tone deaf for posting this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You want to have fewer gun crime victims? I have bad news for you, not discussing a movie because of a shooting isn't going to help. You need to make it harder for a criminal to get a gun instead. Because guns don't kill people, but people with guns kill people a lot faster than with their bare hands.

  15. Tom Hardy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tom Hardy is one of my favorite young British actors and I'm happy that Hollywood noticed him. I recommend watching mini-series "The Take" where he delivered probably the best performance of a criminal/sociopath I've seen lately.

    1. Re:Tom Hardy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tom Hardy is one of my favorite young British actors and I'm happy that Hollywood noticed him. I recommend watching mini-series "The Take" where he delivered probably the best performance of a criminal/sociopath I've seen lately.

      You mean better than his performance in Star Trek Nemesis. How can you beat an evil Picard clone that doesn't look or act like Picard

  16. Re:Slashdot incredibly tone deaf for posting this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And why not? It's just a movie.

    There will be a time to talk about this movie as a work of entertainment or art, independent of what just happened in Colorado. I don't have an ETA on when that will be, but right now is not the time.

  17. Re:Slashdot incredibly tone deaf for posting this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And when you catch the criminal, who has dyed his hair the color of the Joker, you take the criminal and you torture him for years. You beat him and cut him and bleed him to the point of death, then resuscitate him, and start over. You make every single moment of his vile worthless life an unimaginable horrific agony, over and over and over again. And then, after ten years of that, you shove him out the door into the real world to let him live with everything that he did and everything he has become.

  18. Be American by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Be American.
    Make a violent movie where people shoot each other, advertise it 24/7.
    Make it legal for weirdos to buy assault rifle and tear gas.
    Get surprised when some weirdo shoots people at the violent movie.

    1. Re:Be American by Black+Parrot · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Make a violent movie where people shoot each other, advertise it 24/7.

      It hasn't yet been established that the fact that it was a Batman movie was relevant.

      Maybe it was circumstantial, e.g. he knew the guy that stole his girl would be there, or something.

      Maybe it was coincidental: e.g. he wanted to kill some random people, and noticed from the media buzz that a full house was expected for opening night.

      And even if the movies batmanness was relevant, his acts might not have had anything to do with the movie's violence. Maybe he's just a member of a cult that thinks movies and comicbooks are the ultimate symbols of degenerate society.

      So save your moralizing until we actually know something about what happened.

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      Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
    2. Re:Be American by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      Make it legal for weirdos to buy assault rifle and tear gas.

      An assault rifle is a weapon that is capable of firing more than one bullet while the trigger is held (also known as "burst"). Those are illegal in many states, and where legal they are incredibly hard and expensive to obtain.

      The rifle used by the murderer was your average civilian legal semi-auto rifle. A semi-auto rifle is not an assault rifle by definition, even if it looks like one.

      As for tear gas, it or some rough equivalent (like pepper spray) can be legally purchased in most countries - in those countries where that is regulated, you can still buy it so long as it's labelled "bear spray" or some such.

  19. Well, I think any sequel ideas are grounded. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But DC and Warner Bros. may find some sensitive way to respond that gets even more fans in the seats.

    If any of the deceased or wounded were/is an artist or writer, they could release something as a tribute.

    Otherwise they'll have to come up with something appropriate on their own. Finding some way to say Batman wouldn't let the terrorists/criminals/nutjobs win might be a tad difficult, but they'll find a way.

  20. Pretty Good, Not Outstanding by JakFrost · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Saw it yesterday after the the Citrix Wow to How 3 seminar (great job on that Brad Peterson, very informative and well done presentation!). (PS: To any Slashdot geeks support Citrix, sign-up for next year to get an early preview of whatever movie is going to come out then.)

    The movie was pretty good. It had a nicely flowing narrative with the main story and plenty of other side stories to keep it flowing nicely. Christian Bale performed as expected with a top notch performance, Tom Hardy did a great job as Bain showing a completely calm and serene villain standing up to anything that Batman threw at him and then outmatching him. Great performance there, hope to see more of Tom Hardy in future movies. The audio from Bain's filtered voice mask was very loud and clear and fully understandable with a very nice English accent. The mask did cover a lot of Tom Hardy's face and you really had to look down at his neck to even notice that he was actually the one talking because you can't see any movement. The performances of the other cast members were also very good with great character play.

    There were of course a few plot issues and unbelievable things that you had to ignore with the police being trapped underground for 3-months and then finding out that it was only 3,000 officers. I grew up in NYC and I know that the NYPD has 36,000 officers so it was very hard to imagine so few out there in Gotham as the GPD force. That didn't jive with me. Also if you're trapped underground for 3-months without light and no access to clean water and food things don't go very well for you. Also NYC (Gotham in the movie) has so many access tunnels into the underground that it seems far fetched to be stuck down there without a way out.

    Anyway, like the movie overall and am looking forward to the next set of Batman movies in the future. I don't mind this franchine being remade every few years because it attracts a lot of money from the studios and talented actors. (Heath Ledger being the most memorable, damn those Olsen twins!)

    1. Re:Pretty Good, Not Outstanding by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      3000 officers seems perfectly legit to me in a post crime city. You have to remember that they have all of the bad guys locked up for life under the dent act. that 3000 probably doesn't include all of the prison guards...

    2. Re:Pretty Good, Not Outstanding by CriminalNerd · · Score: 1

      The trapped cops were getting plenty of food and water throughout the ordeal. They were essentially jailed...in the pit.

    3. Re:Pretty Good, Not Outstanding by jamesh · · Score: 1

      Yes you have to remember that for the most part these comic book superhero's live in a very black and white world with nobody who is "basically a good guy but..."[1]. You don't have someone who likes a puff of weed occasionally, anyone into drugs is a major drug dealer. Nobody just speeds occasionally, you either stay under the limit or you are running a car racket. Unless there is a "bad guy of the week" on the scene, the cops have pretty much nothing to do. And even then they just waste their time until the superhero arrives.

      [1] Yes I know there are exceptions.

  21. Number ONE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    with a bullet

  22. Re:12 Killed in Shooting at Colorado Theater by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Batman - The White Knight
    starring hawguy

  23. Re:Slashdot incredibly tone deaf for posting this by tbird81 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Mate. Look up your Asperger's handbook about proper ways to deal with this situation.

    Most "neurotypicals", as you call them, realise that this review is badly timed and shows insensitivity. Sure, it may not make logical sense to those with no emotional intuition, but the air needs to be cleaned about this piece of shit killer before discussing the movie. Especially as it's only been one day.

  24. Re:what I heard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    I hear the special effects in Colorado were killer.

    I am so going to hell for that one.

  25. Other than that, Mrs Lincoln by Arancaytar · · Score: 3, Funny

    How was the film?

  26. Re:12 Killed in Shooting at Colorado Theater by Hatta · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Does the whole world have to stop every time some crazy person snaps? If you knew the victims, I'm sorry for your loss. I didn't, so I'm more interested in the review.

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  27. actually its the BEST TIME by RobertLTux · · Score: 1

    Okay so one of the theaters got shot up by an unnamed WhackADoodle killing 12 and wounding 50 (some of whom may be dead later). Life Must Go On (for those that survived).

    If we downplay His Name (focus on his victims and the recovery of the wounded sure) then the next guy might not think this is a good idea.

    otherwise

    [putting on a green wig and purple suit] WHY SO SERIOUS???

    and besides how many folks in that theature did NOT get injured??

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    1. Re:actually its the BEST TIME by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      Define "injured". I suspect that even those that didn't get shot are suffering some serious PTSD.

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    2. Re:actually its the BEST TIME by Amouth · · Score: 1

      Except that according to some of the "interviews" some of them thought that the smoke and gun shots where special effects added for the movie.

      so while some will be stressed by this others can't tell the difference between a movie and real life, to be honest i'm not at all surprised.

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    3. Re:actually its the BEST TIME by RobertLTux · · Score: 1

      okay so lets see to make this fair
      count actual physical injuries and then add 5/9s of the number of folks with more than "stiff drink" level PTSD

      now subtract that number from the number of folks there.

      I would bet you The Joker could have done better DRUNK

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  28. Re:what I heard by letherial · · Score: 0

    you where going to hell before that one, how on earth does that make a difference?

  29. Re:Slashdot incredibly tone deaf for posting this by Trepidity · · Score: 4, Funny

    I am intrigued by your comment and wish to mail-order your Asperger's Handbook.

  30. Actually...last 6 years for me. by thisisfutile · · Score: 0

    "Unless you've managed to not watch anything in the past three weeks"

    (This is by NO means an attack on the movies...I'm just sharing my personal experience)

    I haven't had "TV" for 6 years. While I've seen advertisements for this movie online, I didn't know it was anything different than the one with Heath Ledger...becasue "Dark Knight" was used in both. I haven't seen that one and don't plan to see this one. I'm sort of shocked that I'm just now realizing that they wouldn't be advertising the one with Heath Ledger in it. I guess I just care so little about the titles that I'm only now realizing that fact.

    It's actually quite amazing how the human mind works when you don't submit it to advertisements all the time. During family gatherings (Thanksgiving for example) it becomes very obvious to me the power of these advertisements, especially on TV. When everyone is watching the football game, I could care less (I'm not a sports fan) so I don't watch the TV. When a commercial comes on however, my eyes are GLUED to the TV and everyone begins talking amongst each other and ignoring it because they've seen all of them a hunder times or more.

    1. Re:Actually...last 6 years for me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed.
      Without the shooting I wouldn't have known about it either.
      I guess that's what they call guerrilla marketing.

    2. Re:Actually...last 6 years for me. by ThatsMyNick · · Score: 1

      Do you read news? The release was headlines on google news.

    3. Re:Actually...last 6 years for me. by Known+Nutter · · Score: 0
      I haven't had "TV" for 6 years.

      We've all been there. You're at a dinner party of gathering and introduced to a new acquaintance. As the conversation develops you rattle through a list of topics - food, movies, music, TV... and that's when your new 'friend' drops the bombshell. You ask if they're following Game of Thrones or the new season of Mad Men. They reply, 'I don't have a TV', acting as though this is a point of social pride.

      Okay so the scenario doesn't always play out quite like that. Sometimes people will say they "don't watch much TV" or "don't have time for TV" - but the insinuation is still the same. These are busy people leading busy lives and don't have time for all that trash on TV. After all they're far too cultured to waste their time on that grubby little device. Ugh!

      For the rest...

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    4. Re:Actually...last 6 years for me. by Siridar · · Score: 1
    5. Re:Actually...last 6 years for me. by datavirtue · · Score: 0

      Why is it snobbery to say that one does not watch tv? More than it is offensive to you that someone DOESN'T watch tv? I don't freak out and think someone is pede-snob because they don't own a car just as I do not hate people for watching tv. WTF? Sometimes it has to be mentioned when someone is lodging a barrage of questions at you about have-you-seen-this have-you-seen-this, what about..? I can't help it their entire repertoire of metaphor and cognition is composed of television programming. Does it end conversations? Yep, and it never makes me sad, not because I dive into justification and self-deception, but because what was being conveyed was meaningless to begin with. I know plenty of people who have ditched "the tube" and use the internet via Netflix and Hulu or whatnot. Big Deal. I guess they're snobs.

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    6. Re:Actually...last 6 years for me. by AK+Marc · · Score: 0

      Why is it snobbery to say that one does not watch tv?

      Because there's an implied "because it's bad, and so are the people that do watch it." Note that so many state the time they have not watched it, like they are measuring against others. It's a statement, not a state of being. I don't hold it against someone that doesn't own a car, but I do about someone that mentions it *every* chance they get. http://www.theonion.com/articles/area-man-constantly-mentioning-he-doesnt-own-a-tel,429/

    7. Re:Actually...last 6 years for me. by CptNerd · · Score: 1

      There are programs that I actually want to watch, but I get caught up in doing other things, mostly net-related, and I forget. I don't have a DVR and refuse to use the one Comcast "provides", plus I would forget to watch things that got recorded anyway, so I end up watching on Hulu or iTunes or YouTube. Watching TV is a habit, and like other habits I've kind of gotten out of it, not deliberately but just because other habits took its place.

      So, I don't watch TV, not because I'm a TV snob, but because I'm a TV slob...

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    8. Re:Actually...last 6 years for me. by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      People ask, it tends to come up, should we just throw our nose up, turn on our heel and walk away?

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    9. Re:Actually...last 6 years for me. by thisisfutile · · Score: 1

      Like any post on any forum, it's only as trustworthy as the source and since we don't know each other we'll never know if we can trust what's being posted. That being said, trust me when I say I mentioned "6 years" only because it was a point of expanding on the effects I've been able to witness. If you go two months with no TV (September and October) and then go to Thanksgiving dinner in November and don't notice yourself watching TV commercials like I do after 6 years of no TV, then don't be surprised that you aren't experiencing what I experience. That's all I meant. The author started with, "Unless you've managed to not watch anything in the past three weeks" and so I started with how much I didn't "watch anything". I look back now and see that I may have clarified that better but I only posted the comment to both share an experience and also to draw some attention to how much the advertisements can affect people (and coincidentally, how the lack of exposure kept me in the dark about this movie).

    10. Re:Actually...last 6 years for me. by thisisfutile · · Score: 1

      See my post to AK Marc.

    11. Re:Actually...last 6 years for me. by thisisfutile · · Score: 1

      Sure would be, if I was trying to be snobbish. See my post to AK Marc. BTW, according to him, you're probably a snob too because you mentioned your time.

  31. Re:Slashdot incredibly tone deaf for posting this by Tei · · Score: 0

    Are you serius? because if you where serius, you would be saying that now weapons are banned in USA, but since people don't care, politicians don't care, and nobody is going to change anything, because nobody care enough about these deads to change some stupid law, and some absolutelly minor profit thing, people like these that have died will die again. And then, nobody will do anything about it. And them more people is doing to die. And Again. And Again. And nothing will change, because the tone deaf is not slashdot, is the culture of USA. Thank you, very much, I will laugh at whatever is fun, and life is a joke.

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  32. Re:Slashdot incredibly tone deaf for posting this by letherial · · Score: 0

    Not your call, but it is your choice to not talk about it...makes me wonder, why are you talking about it?

  33. Re:Slashdot incredibly tone deaf for posting this by bhagwad · · Score: 1

    And what my dear sir, is gained by doing that? You've just become worse than the worst criminal yourself.

  34. Re:Slashdot incredibly tone deaf for posting this by letherial · · Score: 0

    i suppose you never read the US constitution, specifically against cruel and unusual punishment.

    It seems the dark ages where more to your liking, may i suggest you leave this life and try and get one back then,

  35. Re:12 Killed in Shooting at Colorado Theater by hawguy · · Score: 0

    Does the whole world have to stop every time some crazy person snaps? If you knew the victims, I'm sorry for your loss. I didn't, so I'm more interested in the review.

    When you know that a particular article is tied to a recent tragedy and is likely to attract many lame attempts at humor directed at the tragedy, maybe it wouldn't hurt to wait a day or two before publishing it so friends and relatives of the victims who are searching the news for articles pertaining to the tragedy don't have to read flippant comments like "I hear the special effects in Colorado were killer", "atleast 12 people were dying to see it...", or "Yeah, it sucked watching it made me want to go out and shoot people.". Leave the infantile comments to sites like 4chan where they are expected and appreciated. Would you want to see the "funny" comments about a tragedy where you may have lost a child or friend?

  36. Re:12 Killed in Shooting at Colorado Theater by letherial · · Score: 1

    That is the compassionate conservationism that bush always claimed, good job on your astounding ability to remove yourself from others feelings. I am sure you could of found a review without immortalizing your lack of compassion.

  37. Except by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Batman is probably the biggest anti-gun superhero around. He knows the dangers. His parents were killed by a gun. And he beats the people with the guns. Does he use violence? Sure, but it's only when he has no other choice.

    1. Re:Except by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      violence is violence regardless of the tool. This is what people are refusing to understand and as long as people don't understand this violence will go on.

  38. Incredibly obtuse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The anthropocene needs real news for real people.

    When did this site slip so far off the radar that anyone thinks it's appropriate to use it to host a fluff piece like a new Batman movie?

    I'm disgusted that this passed the smell test for Slashdot. The Anthropocene denizen, especially in those with enough intelligence to be interesed in anything tech, need a reality check. There's plenty of relevant stories about real applications with practical value, and there's plenty of need for them, worldwide.

    The consumer crap world isn't hurting one bit. Take a stand and make them crawl into someone else's niche to market their garbage to people who would rather put on a bat suit and fight the imaginery demons instead of opening their eyes and taking on the ones that exist all around us.

    I remember Slashdot when I could count on more interesting discussion of things that actually did matter.

    I believe it's on life support now.

  39. Re:Slashdot incredibly tone deaf for posting this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Psst buddy. I've got a clue for you. You know all those neat debating tricks you learned as a freshman from arguing with kids in your dorm? Forget them, you'll just be a laughingstock when you have to talk to adults.

  40. Re:Slashdot incredibly tone deaf for posting this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    C'mon guys... this is not hard. Twelve people dead, 50 wounded just hours ago. This is no time to talk about how fun the damn movie was.

    Wh... seriously? SERIOUSLY? What, if I wasted my time with -1 posts in all the other articles made since then, would I see the same thing there, too?

    "Who CARES about a unique type of chemical bond in white dwarfs? There was a SHOOTING in Colorado!"
    "Why are you wasting our time with reports of 2.4 million voter records compromised? Privacy? Ontario?!? PEOPLE got SHOT!!"
    "Book reviews? Who cares about books? Books are dumb! A FEW PEOPLE DIED IN AURORA ALREADY!"
    "A MOVIE THEATRE! PEOPLE! DEAD! GUNS! We don't have time to discuss police impersonating people on seized smartphones! Who cares, let 'em do whatever, MY EMOTIONS ARE RUNNING WILD RIGHT NOW AND I NEED TO ACT ON THEM!!! NOOOOOWWWWWWW!"

    Really. There is a time and a place to discuss is, and it was back in the other thread where we discussed this.

  41. Re:Slashdot incredibly tone deaf for posting this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh, don't pontificate. And don't bullshit. You'd like to see this guy hogtied and chained to the trailer hitch of a pickup truck and driven around thirty times just as much as anyone.

  42. Thank You Slashdot! 3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thank you, thank you, Slashdot...for proving me wrong. I thought you had no sense of humor. The twisted, macabre timing of this review, as well as the discussion within, have provided me with pants-pissing, falling-out-of-chair laughter. Seriously, I haven't laughed this hard in a year. You have made this Friday afternoon all the more sweet. I will be checking up on this review later, with gusto. I never thought you had it in you.

    -- Ethanol-fueled

  43. spoilers? by eldepeche · · Score: 1, Redundant

    If you can't write a review without spoilers, why bother?

  44. Re:what I heard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hear the special effects in Colorado were killer.

    I am so going to hell for that one.

    You aren't the only one.

  45. Jeez, yet another Batman movie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What can be "new and exciting" in yet another Batman movie, I wonder...

    1. Re:Jeez, yet another Batman movie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Murder.

  46. SPOILER ALERT by CSG_SurferDude · · Score: 1

    Spoiler alert: The alien bursts out of Batman's chest and kills Bane as his first victim :-)

  47. Sheeple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am a I suspect a borderline nutjob, I don't empathize with people in general and I have never felt what most people would classify and deep emotions myself. I have never felt any kind of fear at all and I have done a lot to try to experience it. however I am fascinated by people who do and is one of the reason's why I enjoy movies so much. Had I been at this theater this man would have been dead by my hand if I survived the first burst of fire. I go every where armed with blades or a gun. This guy would would be dead at my hand simple as that, not because I give a shit about the people around me but because he interfered with my movie going experience. It is remotely possible he would kill me instead but I doubt it. If more people took responsibility for there own safety by arming themselves events like this simply not happen or the headlines would read more like "Maniac brandishes weapon briefly before being gunned down by movie goers"

    1. Re:Sheeple by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      Stay away from any movie theater I attend, Mr. Rambo Q. Sociopath.

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    2. Re:Sheeple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stay away from any movie theater I attend, Mr. Rambo Q. Sociopath.

      I don't understand why you feel this way, Like I said I don't understand emotion's of other people and I am curious about your reaction. Is the idea of sitting next to someone capable of defending one's self so disturbing ? Or is it something else ?

    3. Re:Sheeple by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      The thought of sitting next to some mentally deficient maniac who might just as quickly draw fire from police as from the shooter fills me with some dread. I'd hope I had the presence of mind to beat you into unconsciousness before you did much more harm than good.

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    4. Re:Sheeple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wouldn't it better to install automatic weapon attachments (with weapons) in all public places somewhere above the crowd so that when the eventuality happens most victims wouldn't be caused by citizens practicing self defense? :)
        Those weapons might even be of the non-lethal sort, such as tasers, and foam and glue guns to protect from some of the risks of the unavoidable operator error.

    5. Re:Sheeple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The thought of sitting next to some mentally deficient maniac who might just as quickly draw fire from police as from the shooter fills me with some dread. I'd hope I had the presence of mind to beat you into unconsciousness before you did much more harm than good.

      I think mentally deficient is accurate as I am different from other people I don't believe I am a maniac or loose canon waiting to happen. I have never been arrested or evaluated either. I have looked into mental illness on a number of occasions and one of the reasons I believe I am functional in society is that I have a keen sense consequence. I value my freedom vary much, The idea of doing something to endanger it like lashing out at some stranger for some slight is silly. Previously I said that I don't feel fear, that also goes such things as hate anger etc I am I believe a most difficult man to provoke.

    6. Re:Sheeple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I do not say this to insult you, but based on what you are saying, it sounds like you suffer from anti-social personality disorder (commonly called 'sociopathy'). Sociopaths do not experience emotions, often do not experience fear and also have no empathy.

      The fact that you do not seem to experience empathy is what makes people afraid of you. Empathy is something that stops us from harming other people, so if you do not experience this, people are afraid that you might try to harm them. As a result they fear you and do not trust you (I am sure you have noticed this in your life already).

      Sociopathy can also be dangerous for yourself: if you are not afraid, then you might end up doing dangerous things that will end up harming you.

      You should try speaking with a psychologist, this will be of great help for you. First a psychologist could help you understand your condition better, and second a psychologist could help you stay out of trouble.

    7. Re:Sheeple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I do not say this to insult you, but based on what you are saying, it sounds like you suffer from anti-social personality disorder (commonly called 'sociopathy'). Sociopaths do not experience emotions, often do not experience fear and also have no empathy.

      The fact that you do not seem to experience empathy is what makes people afraid of you. Empathy is something that stops us from harming other people, so if you do not experience this, people are afraid that you might try to harm them. As a result they fear you and do not trust you (I am sure you have noticed this in your life already).

      Sociopathy can also be dangerous for yourself: if you are not afraid, then you might end up doing dangerous things that will end up harming you.

      You should try speaking with a psychologist, this will be of great help for you. First a psychologist could help you understand your condition better, and second a psychologist could help you stay out of trouble.

      Your conjecture is what I have also thought as my probable condition and I have thought about consulting a psychologist I haven't so far because I believe I would be incarcerated possibly for life it's an unacceptable outcome for me to consider it as an option. I am 45 years old I have so far managed to remain free I wish for that to continue. I do notice that most interactions that I have with people do have and odd component usually if they are telling some kind of story or relating something that happened to them and I receive unusual facial expressions that I don't see when people are conversing amongst them selves. This is an unusual occurrence as I try to avoid interacting with people as much as possible. I am baffled as to why I am speaking out here on /. Yet I feel oddly liberated at the moment. I wonder if there is an anon forum for mental defectives such as myself how strange I have had 2 conversations on the same day.

    8. Re:Sheeple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, in a gun fight I would take a weird guy who posts on Slashdot over military members and just the general population of a state with lax gun control.

    9. Re:Sheeple by petrus4 · · Score: 1

      I don't know whether or not I believe you. Why?

      This guy would would be dead at my hand simple as that

      You repeated this phrase twice. To me, that implies someone who still attaches some importance to the idea of killing people, and/or is trying to impress others, with how badass they supposedly are.

      Psychopaths often can try and impress people, of course; the psychopathic modus operandi is all about justification for viewing yourself as superior to everyone else around you. The World of Warcraft forums taught me that.

      So it's possible that you are a genuine psychopath; but it's equally possible that you're just trying to look "cool."

  48. The MOVIE was too violent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Could have been worse... you could have been watching this movie with James E. Holmes...

    See CNN's coverage of someone who took the film a little too seriously, it seems...
    http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/20/us/colorado-theater-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

  49. Re:Slashdot incredibly tone deaf for posting this by SecurityGuy · · Score: 1

    No, we're acting like the world has come to an end because one lunatic committed a heinous crime. We need to stop living in a climate of unnecessary fear. I've read stuff on twitter today where people are saying things like "Who knew there were so many crazies out there?" There aren't so many. There was one. In a country with 300 million people. One. Others saying what a terrible world it is where you can't even go to the movies in safety. You can. Nearly everyone did. Nearly everyone does, every day.

    This is not to say this wasn't a heinous crime. It was.
    It's not to say this isn't a horrible tragedy for anyone who knew the victims. It was.
    It's not to say we don't all share their sadness. We do. Well, most of us do. I do. I considered seeing this movie last night. I've taken my kids to midnight shows. As they say, there but for the grace of God go I.

    It is to say we need to continue living our lives. It's entirely inappropriate to make jokes about the shooting. It's fine to like the movie, and it's fine to talk about the movie.

  50. Re:what I heard by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 0

    This is the Internet. It's never too soon.

    Fuck man, we were making 9/11 jokes by lunchtime.

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  51. Re:Slashdot incredibly tone deaf for posting this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Oh, don't pontificate. And don't bullshit. You'd like to see this guy hogtied and chained to the trailer hitch of a pickup truck and driven around thirty times just as much as anyone."

    No, actually most of us here are not vengeance-loving redneck morons like you.

    .
    .

  52. Re:Slashdot incredibly tone deaf for posting this by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

    Most "neurotypicals", as you call them, realise that this review is badly timed and shows insensitivity. Sure, it may not make logical sense to those with no emotional intuition, but the air needs to be cleaned about this piece of shit killer before discussing the movie. Especially as it's only been one day.

    And once the "air is clean", people with "emotional intuition" will find a review here that, quite conveniently, has already been written. Or to put in other words, the time period in which this review will be useful to people without emotional baggage (many years) will be much longer than the period in which overly touchy (*) people will bicker, so why wait?

    . . . . . .

    (*) Some of us, i.e. so-called "people without emotional intuition", do in fact realize that those who haven't been there actually aren't hurt that much to be offended by this - unless they are oversensitive - and that those who *were* actually present at the massacre couldn't care less whether someone writes a review on an obscure site they will most likely never visit, since they're damaged regardless.

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  53. Re:Slashdot incredibly tone deaf for posting this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now is not the time to troll. I don't when it will be the time to troll so why don't you hold off until I let you know.

  54. Actualy theatres in the 60's did that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This time it's not approved by the Film Board and lacked the certifications of MPAA & RIAA... ... ... ... ...

    In Soviet America movies shoot you!

  55. Re:what I heard by Chas · · Score: 0

    Dude, everyone's going to Hell. Didn't you get the memo?

    There's only like three people in Heaven. Sitting around all day on a cloud singing songs?

    BO-RING!

    Come on down and party in Hell!

    Sure, you're dancing on a coal! But at least you're dancing!

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  56. Avoid film until the gun nuts are under control. by Animats · · Score: 0

    Mass shooting at the Batman opening at an Aurora, CO, theater. 12 killed, 59 wounded. "Police say Holmes, 24, dressed head-to-toe in protective tactical gear, set off two devices of some kind before spraying the Century 16 theater with bullets from an AR-15 rifle, a 12-gauge shotgun and at least one of two .40-caliber handguns police recovered at the scene." He apparently thought he was the Joker. He's in custody, and bomb squads are disarming the booby traps in his apartment.

    Weapons were provided by Bass Pro Shop in Denver and Gander Mountain Guns (sale on assault rifles this week!).

  57. Every time Bane spoke by scourfish · · Score: 2

    I thought he was about to have a conversation with the characters from Peanuts.

  58. Not only were the SF excellent by arcite · · Score: 0

    The Joker's performance this time round should snag Heath Ledger another post-humus Acadamy Award (quite an accomplishment all things considered).

    1. Re:Not only were the SF excellent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      post-humus

      So, do you mean "after death" or "after eating flavored garbanzo paste"?

  59. Re:Avoid film until the gun nuts are under control by ThatsMyNick · · Score: 1

    Also slashdot is mostly pro-guns. So I would advise you to avoid slashdot until gun nuts are under control.
     
    And I would like a source for the statements "He apparently thought he was the Joker" and "disarming the booby traps in his apartment".

  60. Re:Slashdot incredibly tone deaf for posting this by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    Most "neurotypicals", as you call them, realise that this review is badly timed and shows insensitivity.

    Huh? Do you really think nobody is going to go see Batman this weekend out of some sort of twisted feeling of moral obligation to societal guilt?

    Plenty of people will appropriately separate the movie from the atrocity and go see it because they've been wanting to.

    Actually, if I were WB, I'd pledge all of Sunday's profits to a victims' fund, just to keep the ball rolling.

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  61. Re:12 Killed in Shooting at Colorado Theater by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I knew nobody who died in 9/11. So I said fuck it... let's go to the movies.

  62. Re:Slashdot incredibly tone deaf for posting this by jamesh · · Score: 1

    No, we're acting like the world has come to an end because one lunatic committed a heinous crime. We need to stop living in a climate of unnecessary fear. I've read stuff on twitter today where people are saying things like "Who knew there were so many crazies out there?" There aren't so many. There was one. In a country with 300 million people. One. Others saying what a terrible world it is where you can't even go to the movies in safety. You can. Nearly everyone did. Nearly everyone does, every day.

    This is not to say this wasn't a heinous crime. It was.
    It's not to say this isn't a horrible tragedy for anyone who knew the victims. It was.
    It's not to say we don't all share their sadness. We do. Well, most of us do. I do. I considered seeing this movie last night. I've taken my kids to midnight shows. As they say, there but for the grace of God go I.

    It is to say we need to continue living our lives.

    For sure. When stuff like this stops being a major story then we'll have a problem. Even in countries i'd be too terrified to visit mass shootings still make the news. I think the fact that this stuff happens so rarely means we are doing something right.

    It's entirely inappropriate to make jokes about the shooting. It's fine to like the movie, and it's fine to talk about the movie.

    It's a terrible thing that happened. Making jokes is one way that people deal with it. Making the joke in front of someone directly affected by the issue would be inappropriate, but otherwise it's just one of the ways people cope with stuff like this and stop the unnecessary worry that could drive further people insane.

  63. Re:Avoid film until the gun nuts are under control by Animats · · Score: 2

    I would like a source for the statements "He apparently thought he was the Joker" and "disarming the booby traps in his apartment".

    CNN: "The suspect in the mass shooting at an Aurora, Colorado, movie theater screening of the new Batman film early Friday had colored his hair red and told police he was "the Joker," according to a federal law enforcement source with detailed knowledge of the investigation."

    Denver Post via Mercury News -- "Aurora shooting suspect left apartment "booby trapped," music blaring": "Oates said Holmes made a statement to officers about possible explosives in his home. That prompted police to evacuate five buildings nearby and begin searching his third-floor apartment using a police robot and camera attached to a long pole. Inside, officers found trip wires attached to 1-liter plastic bottles that contain an unknown substance. Police Chief Dan Oates said the explosive devices were "pretty sophisticated." "We could be here for days," he said at midday."

  64. Re:what I heard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It was well shot apparently.

  65. Batman dies in the end by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

    At least it didn't mention that.


    Probably because I made it up of course.

  66. Bullshit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I believe a most difficult man to provoke.

    And yet the shooter would be "dead at your hand", not because you care about anybody else, but simply because he interrupted your film going experience?

    The problem with psychopaths is A) that they don't realize how broken they are, and B) they manipulate at every opportunity as a function of their basic existence.

    1. Re:Bullshit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe a most difficult man to provoke.

      And yet the shooter would be "dead at your hand", not because you care about anybody else, but simply because he interrupted your film going experience?

      The problem with psychopaths is A) that they don't realize how broken they are, and B) they manipulate at every opportunity as a function of their basic existence.

      I except A as a distinct possibility as I have no proper frame of reference for normal. What I am sure of is that I am fundamentally different from the people I have met. B does not fit me at all I don't think. I find that trying to emulate proper facial expression during a verbal conversation an exhausting task. Anymore i don't even bother. I avoid as much as possible interacting with people face to face. I like movie theater's because It is a safe way to study people and to ease drop on conversations watch them interact with each other I can for a while pretend I am normal too. I find most movies are difficult to grasp I do enjoy them particularly horror, the facial expressions seem so extreme they are funny.

  67. Frank Miller? What?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I misread your post and for a moment thought you meant asking Frank Miller for his opinion.

    Just the thought of what that lunatic's comments might be made me want to gag.

  68. Re:12 Killed in Shooting at Colorado Theater by ThatsMyNick · · Score: 1

    I dont understand this logic. Where you trying to punish yourselves by not going to the movies? Or where you trying to help someone who was affected by 9/11. Or where you trying to help prevent another 9/11? If not why would you not go to the movies?

  69. An old Chinese saying... by ub3r+n3u7r4l1st · · Score: 1

    Use poison to attack poison, use evil to fight evil.

  70. Re:what I heard by MMC+Monster · · Score: 0

    Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the show?

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  71. Re:what I heard by datavirtue · · Score: 0

    I like getting the dead tree in the mail for I get to see what the world was like yesterday. In the review of the Dark Knight Rises in the WSJ the last line in the article, which was written and printed before the Colorado incident is, "Happy days are done and gone."

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  72. Re:Slashdot incredibly tone deaf for posting this by datavirtue · · Score: 1

    Thanks at least for Walpole paraphrase. Learned something new.

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  73. Re:Slashdot incredibly tone deaf for posting this by datavirtue · · Score: 1

    Agreed. As much as I loath his actions I do not wish him harm. He had probably endured a great deal of suffering up to that point. Not to say he will not or should not be dealt with, it is just that it is strange to genuinely feel like you want to do this to anyone.

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  74. Re:Slashdot incredibly tone deaf for posting this by datavirtue · · Score: 1

    Grow up.

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  75. Re:12 Killed in Shooting at Colorado Theater by datavirtue · · Score: 1

    Hatta, your mom is calling! Your chocolate cake and cheetos are ready. She's waiting at the top of the basement steps.

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  76. Inappropriate to be Discussing this Now :( by TechnoGrl · · Score: 0

    Paid posters apparently have no shame :(

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    1. Re:Inappropriate to be Discussing this Now :( by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      If you expected people to conform to strange norms where 100 people dying from unnatural causes every day is business as usual so long as it's not reported in mass media, while 15 people dying is a national tradegy because it's on every front page, you probably shouldn't be reading Slashdot. At least on these kinds of days.

  77. Re:Slashdot incredibly tone deaf for posting this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh yeah, I`m sure he`ll be a MODEL citizen after that... Abuse can do strange things to a person, and frequently turns them into an abuser.

  78. Re:Slashdot incredibly tone deaf for posting this by metrix007 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    First of all, don't call people mate if they are not your friends.

    Second, don't assume someone who doesn't share your view of mandatory empathy has Asperger's.

    Most people can discuss a movie and not let a tragic event control their life or prevent them from enjoying something they have been waiting for.

    Asshat.

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  79. Re:Slashdot incredibly tone deaf for posting this by petrus4 · · Score: 2

    I'm autistic. Autism has no inherent relation to lack of empathic response.

    Psychopaths don't feel at all, and so don't express it. We feel, but we generally don't know how to express it in ways which are consistent with social norms, and so end up offending/upsetting people as a result.

    There's a big difference.

  80. Re: Movie Review: The Dark Knight Rises by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Personally i thought the movie was to die for.

  81. Re:Slashdot incredibly tone deaf for posting this by Teancum · · Score: 0

    Why bother with the postage when you can simply e-mail the guide (or at least the link): http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Aspies_Book

    Of all of the content on Wikimedia projects, this one is certainly something to really look at. I'd dare you to even try and make an edit on the page as well (although the author likely has moved on to something else.... but you are warned!)

  82. Re:Slashdot incredibly tone deaf for posting this by matunos · · Score: 1

    Ah, the self-righteous defender of all that is noble and proper by lecturing others about how to socialize on the blogs. Welcome!

    When you're done with your self-imposed vicarious victimhood, I sincerely hope you enjoy the movie.

    Then again, something like 300 people died today in Syria, and I'm sure there'll be more tomorrow, so, remain vigilante against anyone having any fun.

  83. Re:12 Killed in Shooting at Colorado Theater by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Concern troll somewhere else. Those messages are going to show up whether Slashdot runs this review or not. Assholes will be assholes wherever they're able to be assholes. A voluntary moratorium on movie reviews isn't going to do anything other than stop people from reading movie reviews.

  84. So... by matunos · · Score: 1

    What'd y'all think of the Lazaras Pit?

  85. what is so amazing about this movie? by issicus · · Score: 1

    The only thing worth seeing at the moment? when I eventually see it i'm guessing it wont live up to the hype.

  86. Whatever happened to Zsasz? by stereoroid · · Score: 1

    At the end of Batman Begins, Zsasz (Tim Booth) was shown walking out of the opened jail, and is (for all we know) still at large, doing unspeakable things to the children of Gotham. Won't somebody think of the children?

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  87. My parents are dead! by elrous0 · · Score: 0

    There, I've just summed up every Batman movie ever.

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  88. Less smoke next time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and cut down on the blood and screams. Jeez, I could hardly hear my cell.

  89. Re:Slashdot incredibly tone deaf for posting this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All 'emotional intuition' means is intuition about how neurotypicals think and feel. You're in the majority, does that make your thoughts and feelings automatically more correct? The review is badly timed in the opinion of neurotypicals. 40,000 people die of starvation and poverty every day. Perhaps we shouldn't review restaurants either. I mean, it's too soon, right?

  90. Not Post Apocalyptic by huckamania · · Score: 1

    For Nolan, Gotham City looks like one of those maps of LA or NY that shows the rest of the World as being about the same size. Some dude is in Hong Kong that has information you need, that's like a day trip for Batman. If you were to squeeze the events going on globally into a city, and scale down the wars being fought, it would be just like a Batman movie.

    I have lived in 5 countries and visited even more. In every single placed I've lived and visited, there were bad parts of town you knew were not safe and even the good parts of town were not always safe. My Dad missed an IRA pub bombing by about an hour, when he caught an earlier train to get home. When we lived in Greece, there was a coup. In Belgium, 5 of my friends lost their Dads and it seemed suspicious to the rest of us. I don't have any illusions of safety anywhere.

    What I don't understand is how this guy was able to walk out and back into an emergency exit. I don't understand how he was able to go to his car and retrieve everything without someone seeing him. If someone had closed the door behind him, this might be a totally different story.

    Like the TSA fiasco, we will do the stupidest thing possible in response.

     

  91. Re:Slashdot incredibly tone deaf for posting this by rally2xs · · Score: 1

    You have just repeated the same mistake that liberals have been making since the 60's, that somehow making it harder for criminals to get guns is going to affect this. First, he wasn't a criminal until he did this. Second, there are over 250 million guns in American society, so trying to prevent access to them is about like trying to prevent access to acorns in an oak forest. Not happening.

    The REAL way to keep this from happening is EXACTLY the opposite. What you do is to make it EASIER for the LAW ABIDING to have guns, esp. carry them in public. A friend of mine's son is an ex Army Ranger, and absolutely deadly. Had he been there with a weapon, this guy would have been very unlikely to have gotten off a second shot. And myself, I learned from qualifying to go to Iraq last fall as a civilian sci/tech support to the Army, that I'm not a half-bad shot myself, and would have at least tried. Get people shooting back at this creep and it'd be all over in a couple seconds, like the 71 year old man that recently took out the robbers in the internet cafe. Self defense with a firearm works best.

  92. Re:what I heard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yea, I saw Batman there and he was running from the fake gunman like a pussy. Shorter than I expected..

  93. Re:what I heard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fuck man, we were making 9/11 jokes by lunchtime.

    Lunchtime? I started before the second tower fell...

  94. WHY the WHY Mr Pennyworth? by rmdingler · · Score: 1

    Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money.They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

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  95. Re:12 Killed in Shooting at Colorado Theater by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If one stops, maybe one can reflect on why things happen. I don't know any of the victims. However as I have an ounce of empathy I can realise the tragedy that it is.

  96. Re:Slashdot incredibly tone deaf for posting this by loom_weaver · · Score: 2

    I have nothing against guns myself... but picture yourself there:

    Dark theater, loud sounds from the movie itself is playing, smoke suddenly appears out of nowhere, then someone dressed up like a good percentage of the other patrons starts going on a rampage.

    Now people are panicking, you still can't see shit and aren't sure what's going on, and your response is to whip out your firearm out your firearm and start shooting in a room full of innocents. Puh-leeeze...

  97. Re:12 Killed in Shooting at Colorado Theater by aaaaaaargh! · · Score: 1

    But isn't a tragedy about some inevitable fate such as Oedipus fucking his mother and then becomes blind as a punishment, whereas this shooting could have been easily prevented by investigating why an ordinary guy needs to purchase 4 guns and 6000 rounds of amunition within 60 days?

  98. Why is this on Slashdot? by grandpastackhouse · · Score: 1

    I don't know why I keep coming here, holy shit. MOVIE REVIEWS? And not for something like Primer which everyone may not know about, but for a superhero movie that the whole goddamn world is going to see. I have an idea, let's take it further off-topic all talk about how people got shot at a theater that was playing this movie and the merits of gun control! I guess next I'll go and comment on some YouTube videos

  99. Re:12 Killed in Shooting at Colorado Theater by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well at least he wasn't purchasing illegal narcotics.

  100. Re:Slashdot incredibly tone deaf for posting this by rally2xs · · Score: 1

    If you don't have a shot, then you don't have a shot, and you don't fire. But if you can identify the target, then you take it out. Nobody that knows what they're doing fires wildly.

  101. Re:what I heard by michelcolman · · Score: 1

    Before the second tower fell? We started before the planes even took off!

  102. Impressive? by destruk · · Score: 0

    So if the city has no crime and police continually appear to be obsolete, when the fighting breaks out how do they suddenly have thousands of police officers fighting in the streets? Yeah, it's a movie, it's a fantasy, realism goes out the window and then Michael Bay shows up...

  103. Re:what I heard by Archenoth · · Score: 1

    Besides, I heard the movie was to die for.

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  104. Re:what I heard by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

    There's only like three people in Heaven.

    Didn't they say it's 144k?

    Only catch is, they're all Jews...

  105. Re:12 Killed in Shooting at Colorado Theater by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I realize it's a tragedy. I nonetheless have not stopped living my life because of it.

  106. Reminded me of Akira by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This movie reminded me a lot of Akira (the manga, not the anime). It's going to be very difficult for the live action Akira to get made now, as it would have to be at least this good.

  107. Fuck the MPAA by themusicgod1 · · Score: 1

    Fuck the MPAA, and those who watch and promote this movie giving them fuel.

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  108. Re:what I heard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Spoiler Alert: The Audience Dies.