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In Advance of Ramadan, Indonesian Gov't Starts Massive Censorship Push
An anonymous reader writes "The Indonesian government has blocked access to 1 million pornographic websites in advance of Ramadan, the country's holy month. Internet censorship is nothing new in Indonesia, but the scale of this particular restriction is unprecedented. Apparently this is only the beginning. Minister Tifatul Sembiring said Wednesday his office would target more sites through the country's holy month, and beyond."
Isn't Ramadan a Muslim holiday? How is it "the country's holy month"?
Simbiring is a name from North Sumatra. Perhaps he doesn't like the internet at all?
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What is that, 0.0001% of the total?
Given the libido-suppressive effects of caloric restriction, wouldn't it make more sense to step up their precious little moral crusade(jihad?) during all non-ramadan periods and slack off during that month?
Did they block the Internet, or was it the World Wide Web?
I once took an excursion to Reddit, and later HN. Unlimited up/down voting sucks when dealing with a hive-mind.
You can take away their rights, and you can take away their money, but take away their porn, and the people will revolt. :-D
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With filtering in place, the fact they allowed access to pornographic websites before Ramadan is what confuses me. Was this like the Indonesian Internet version of Mardi Gras?
No porn on holy days.
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You got that right.
If a religion is to be followed faithfully, how does it help to "force" someone to follow it? Religion and faith HAVE to be a choice or else it is neither. These religious zealots aren't particularly religious are they?
Okay, possibly I'm stupid or out of touch, but I've been around the interwebs for a while and seen my share of stuff. It just doesn't seem likely that there are a million porn sites. I wouldn't have guessed 1 million in the world, and certainly not 1 million that the Indonesian government can block.
Here's an article in Forbes article that says
That's a far cry from 1 million. (http://www.forbes.com/sites/julieruvolo/2011/09/07/how-much-of-the-internet-is-actually-for-porn/)
Maybe they mean 1 million pages. Or maybe there are a million sites that only host a single drawing of Mickey banging Minnie doggie-style. Or maybe they mean something different by the word "pornographic." But 1 million pornhubs? 1 million redtubes? I'm having a hard time believing this.
That is a worthy notion, as we are just as bad about letting our dominant religion limit our freedom. Here in the US, our own dominant religious element has decided for us:
- Prostitution will be illegal (mostly), in spite of the high demand
- Alcohol is restricted, in some places illegal to sell at all times, in others illegal to sell at certain times (frequently Sunday mornings)
- Same sex partners cannot have a legally binding marriage, with full benefits
- You may be married to one, and only one person (who must be of the opposite sex) at any given time (granted, I don't think our legal system could handle the larger case, presently)
- In some settings you may be limited about what you can say on certain topics (sex, evolution, religion, etc.)
- "G.D." is a forbidden expression on television
It's true some of these things may HAVE BEEN democratic at one point or another, but are enshrined now. You can't, say, change alcohol laws without a small but vocal minority trying to get you unseated from government. It was democracy for our grandparents, but it's dictatorial for us.
It will be interesting to see where the wrath of god strikes after this.
You can take away their rights, and you can take away their money, but take away their porn, and the people will revolt. :-D
*sigh*
I think it would be fairer to say that you can take away their money, their rights and their lives, but that story won't get posted on Slashdot until it involves porn.
The Indonesian government and military have tried to maintain a complete media blackout on the ongoing human rights abuses -including torture and murder- in the occupied territory of West Papua, which was annexed while the world looked away. This oppression has been going on for a generation, but nobody chooses to care, because of Indonesia's status as the largest pro-US muslim country in the world.
But yeah, boobs. Let's support those horny Indonesians by slashdotting bringbacktheporn.com. That'll get the add revenue going.
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The more you tighten your grip, Indonesia, the more pornography will slip through your fingers...
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You can take away their rights, and you can take away their money, but take away their porn, and the people will revolt. :-D
I guess you don't know much about Indonesian history then, they overthrew their dictator 14 years ago. That said, even in the 80's Indonesia was one of the most liberal of muslim countries, and since 1998 have become one of the most democratic as well.
From a western perspective they still have a long way to go, but they are a million miles ahead of the "Arab Spring" countries.
It's a beautiful country full of beautiful, kind, gentle people. Please learn more before you shoot your mouth off.
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http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/quran/verses/009-qmt.php#009.005
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009.005
YUSUFALI: But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
PICKTHAL: Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
SHAKIR: So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
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http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/hadith/muslim/019-smt.php#019.4366
(hadith - not quran - but - highly reguarded as 'things muhammed himself did and said')
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Book 019, Number 4363:
It has been narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira who said: We were (sitting) in the mosque when the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) came to us and said: (Let us) go to the Jews. We went out with him until we came to them. The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) stood up and called out to them (saying): O ye assembly of Jews, accept Islam (and) you will be safe. They said: Abu'l-Qasim, you have communicated (God's Message to us). The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: I want this (i. e. you should admit that God's Message has been communicated to you), accept Islam and you would be safe. They said: Abu'l-Qisim, you have communicated (Allah's Message). The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: I want this... - He said to them (the same words) the third time (and on getting the same reply) he added: You should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle, and I wish that I should expel you from this land Those of you who have any property with them should sell it, otherwise they should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle (and they may have to go away leaving everything behind).
Book 019, Number 4364:
It has been narrated on the authority of Ibn Umar that the Jews of Banu Nadir and Banu Quraizi fought against the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) who expelled Banu Nadir, and allowed Quraiza to stay on, and granted favour to them until they too fought against him Then he killed their men, and distributed their women, children and properties among the Muslims, except that some of them had joined the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) who granted them security. They embraced Islam. The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) turned out all the Jews of Medlina. Banu Qainuqa' (the tribe of 'Abdullah b. Salim) and the Jews of Banu Haritha and every other Jew who was in Medina.
Book 019, Number 4365:
A similar hadith has been transmitted by a different chain of narrators, but the hadith narrated by Ibn Juraij is more detailed and complete.
Book 019, Number 4366:
It has been narrated by 'Umar b. al-Khattib that he heard the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) say: I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim.
Book 019, Number 4367:
This hadith has been narrated on the authority of Zubair with the same chain of transmitters.
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soo.. there you go.
but the quran says 'let there be no compulsion in religion'
so.. which do you believe - the writings of muhammed or the actions of same..
also side note - if the quran is the infallable word of god, how can it be FLAT OUT WRONG about christianity?
I find the tighter my grip, the stickier things become.
Until the filthy vermin blow up nightclubs full of Australian tourists.
You mean like the arab spring in egypt? Yeah, looks like that one is only going to put womens rights back a few hundred years. Cheer it on man, cheer it on.
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Why censor only a small minority of porn sites?
There is a lot of discontent in the populace though. The country has large muslim majority, which fairly poor, and a Chinese & Indian minority that is largely wealthy. Now and they you will see this discontent in politics (politicians appease the wealthy for their money, and during elections somehow try to appease the majority). I wouldnt be surprised to see riots break out if this continues (and censorship, might just be the tipping point). I agree GP's comparison to Libya was wrong, but portraying a a rosy picture doesnt do any good either.
Religious governments are a bad idea. Religious governments are a bad idea. Religious governments are a bad idea.
Sorry, but gray text on gray background is making my eyes bleed.
Maybe they should block sites where they sell, show or discuss food, too, in order to avoid tempting them.
In my home town, it was illegal to open shops on Sunday.
So people would go shopping the next town over.. and it was killing local business.
I think my father took things a bit too far though. He was raised an orthodox jew which he hated being.
At a very young age he drilled into his kids, "What is religion?" and we would call out, "The opiate of the masses!"
My sisters both married catholics. Our rabbi who I thought was a nice guy refused to marry them so we never went back to temple.
One sister converted to catholicism for her husband, who left her. The son was told in his teens, when he started bullying jews, well actually you are a jew yourself! Blew his mind.
My father started telling his grandchildren how great Jesus was and the other sister's children were raised as catholics too. But recently they started being taught their heritage too.
On a recent business trip to a muslim country my father emphasized, if anyone asks tell them you are protestant! I'm not practising but I still don't know if it would have put me in danger if someone asked and I said I was jewish.
So I would say you are right, and like my Dad says, more people have been killed in the world due to religion than anything else.
However the Christian idea of charity is something I think we should try to keep or remake so that it can be taught to all people, in a non-religious form if possible.
Another thing, it is really freaky how many movies about war (well Guns of Navarone is a great flick but) are shown around the anniversary of the end of WWII.
I think the U.S. church and national government intentionally collude to maintain a very low level of intelligence, very low morals and highly warlike traits in order to maintain control over its own populace and the rest of the world. We are in a permanent state of war and to govern now means to cynically control with lack of responsibility in any form.
Having lived outside the U.S. for a number of years and gradually becoming horrified at what it has become, I am very sad to remember the phrase, that people get the government they deserve. I think the U.S. deserves better and a lot of the problems come from the deeply entrenched attitudes taught by a conglomerate of cynically controlling groups which include religious, government and other leaders.
There is a lot of cognitive dissonance in the U.S. culture and it seems possible to me that mixed with high technology and police/military hardware, it has become a statistical certainty that there will be mass murders like the one at the theater by people we would like to simply label "crazies" on a periodic basis. When we have made them crazy. If you think it is going to far, consider that as the ultimate fringe on the end of the bell curve. Most people are crazy to a lesser extent. But still nuts.
Yes, but there are regional revolts still under way in parts of Indonesia and an earlier major one didn't really stop until the Tsunami.
Alcohol is what you single out? What about all the other drugs? Mostly banned because some "evil" minority race uses them.
ThatsMyNick makes valid points; let me take them further. Here in Indonesia, come Ramadan there's always a mad rush for clerics and politicos to do an "I'm holier than thou" act. Draconian pledges and swingeing action plans that turn out to be mere wishful thinking thunder from the media and every soapbox in the country - but they're all chimeras, sops to the gangs of religious fanatics that plague Indonesia. In reality this is one of the most tolerant Muslim communities in the world, but the proverbial few bad apples spoil the barrel.
Indonesia is in the Internet stone age. The country is rated near the very bottom of Internet provision - way below many third-world and developing countries. Those of us who 'enjoy' broadband pay through the nose for a seriously flawed and inadequate service, and we're laughing out loud at the very notion that the muppets who run our IT services can filter anything other than their monthly pay cheques.
Actually, they're banned because the majority are addicting and cause long-term damage. Pot causes lung cancer more effectively than cigarettes. That alone means it ought to stay banned.
In any case, those are not banned for religious reasons. Alcohol generally is.
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The Arab Spring ended up installing Islamist governments. I think you need to pay more attention to world events. This is certainly what the people of Indonesia want; that is the problem.
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Pot causes lung cancer more effectively than cigarettes.
That's an interesting theory. Have any evidence for the assertion, especially keeping in mind that the two drugs are used differently.
That alone means it ought to stay banned.
Nonsense. Even if the allegation is true, so what? I have no trouble at all with people doing harmful things to themselves or even killing themselves. It's their right.
Eh, a similar "spring" happened in Europe in 1848. It didn't lead to a lot of positive near future change, only a few countries went more democratic (though the UK was a notable example), but I think it was a step towards the present mostly democratic and peaceful Europe that exists today. So sure, it doesn't look all that great in the short term, but we may feel differently about it a century or two from now.
http://www.webmd.com/lung-cancer/news/20060523/pot-smoking-not-linked-to-lung-cancer
You're wrong.
May 23, 2006 -- People who smoke marijuana do not appear to be at increased risk for developing lung cancer, new research suggests.
While a clear increase in cancer risk was seen among cigarette smokers in the study, no such association was seen for regular cannabis users.
Even very heavy, long-term marijuana users who had smoked more than 22,000 joints over a lifetime seemed to have no greater risk than infrequent marijuana users or nonusers.
The findings surprised the study’s researchers, who expected to see an increase in cancer among people who smoked marijuana regularly in their youth.
See what happens when you don't look up the stuff you hear? You look silly.
You are entitled to your own opinions, not your own facts.
Of course a Muslim might argue that you cannot understand the Koran unless you read it in the original Arabic. Apparently the Arabic language is untranslatable into any other language and therefore cannot be learned by anyone who doesn't grow up with it as their mother tongue. So I guess noone who doesn't grow up with Arabic language can ever understand the Koran.
I've actually had quite well educated and otherwise intelligent Muslims lay down the 'you cannot understand the Koran except in Arabic' line on me. Its a logical fallacy.
In the free world the media isn't government run; the government is media run.
Yeah something similar also happened in Russia and China too. Last time I looked the body count was ~250 million dead in their own purges removing "undesirables" and I'm sure that worked out well for them as well. Here's the thing a lot of people forget, Islam isn't just a religion. It's a military, and political doctrine as well. Not to mention a few other things.
And in countries where ruling parties have it as the forefront in, and of, the law of the land. People suffer, and those that suffer the most are minorities, women, and anyone who isn't a muslim.
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It's true some of these things may HAVE BEEN democratic at one point or another, but are enshrined now. You can't, say, change alcohol laws without a small but vocal minority trying to get you unseated from government. It was democracy for our grandparents, but it's dictatorial for us.
I'm sorry, did some dictator take away the right to vote? If not, then stop your whining, get out, and campaign on your issue. Vocal minorities have rights too.
Given such a precise time, I guess Ramadan is the best time to masturbate to online porn.
The drugs that are banned without being massively addictive in the US (and most of the world) are because of hallucinogenic effects. My thought is that this is because shamanistic religions use them to communicate with other worlds or the future.
Yeah something similar also happened in Russia and China too.
And a good portion of those body counts are due to ideas hatched in the 1848 "spring". I don't intend this comparison to be fully comforting, but rather to point out a similar situation which in the long term bettered the lives of hundreds of millions, but at terrible cost.
Let's pretend pot does cause lung cancer. I'm not sure why it should be your choice to keep me from killing myself, as long as I am debt free and my children have reached majority. I think you get a say in the latter two cases because in that case my legacy DOES affect you. I understand there are some health-care corner cases, maybe a waiver needs signing. But as a responsible adult I think I ought to be able to ruin myself if I choose.
Actually this adds one more to my list:
- Government prohibition against suicide. As far as I can tell this comes from religion.
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Yes, they have the right to be ignored if they are penniless, and pandered to if they are an important demographic. Only having lots of money or a large majority voting bloc will get you anything from government. The grand experiment is a failure. The federalists were wrong.
however i fear the egotism of blind strident individualism just as much as egotism of herd behavior
it is the difference between this person (ok):
"i'm just exercising my personal freedom" (smokes weed)
and this person (not ok):
"i'm just exercising my personal freedom" (turns car ignition, drunk)
you can do whatever you please in this world, just as long as it doesn't hurt someone else. the "just as long as it doesn't hurt someone else" is something a lot of people have a problem grasping
freedom, and responsibility. there is not one, without the other
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
Indonesia, Maylasia, and Papa New Guina all have very strict internet laws. or have in the past atleast... This is not a new concept but the problem is that they are instilling a sense of pride in this new foundation for an Islamic government. They are teaching their citizens that unless you are a practicing muslim the government will be forced to make decisions for them...
This is very dangerous in my opinion!! The ideals are great, heck, I struggle with a porn addiction myself, but that is between Me and God, not between Me, God and anybody with a badge. Likelly it is an effort for political power engaged by the government or leader....
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Suicide causes tons of problems for those who knew the person. It's in societies best interest that random people don't kill themselves, especially when others didn't know they were feeling miserable and hopeless.
It causes a lot of grief for the person thinking about suicide due to the thoughts of getting in trouble with the law for failing. Whether justified or not, I know one person that had a lot of stress because of this. They'll want to stay in hiding and won't want to get help for fear of getting in trouble or being locked away and labeled as crazy instead.
Though I do agree that religion plays a role, it just might not be as big as you think.
If we force drug users to pay upfront for illnesses (or, else, drop dead without any care) caused by their own stupidity then this is workable, otherwise you're just setting up a cost that non-drug users must indirectly cover via taxes (whether the system is single-payer or just defaulting on hospital bills).
I have no problem with that. Or with non-drug users paying the consequences of their stupid policy decisions.
I notice you fail to turn this creative rationalizing against legal drugs such as tobacco and alcohol.
This helps reinforce the point that the all-knowing, all-seeing, all-powerful, eternal, ever-present and prescient deity at the center of the cult of Mohammad, known by many names, but by them called "Allah," needs help defending his supposed good name, by censorship.
Wow, that's some real power, right there... it's almost as though... that "god" doesn't even exist at all, and the whole thing is just the result of dehydration-induced hallucinations, (or maybe a group of outright lies,) a bunch of very credulous idiots, and the sheer, staggering psychological power of random reinforcement.
Religion. How stupid.
Actually, they're banned because the majority are addicting and cause long-term damage. Pot causes lung cancer more effectively than cigarettes. That alone means it ought to stay banned.
Care to quote any studies? Total bullshit, this claim.
Alcohol and tobacco are far more addictive and harmful (individually and societally) than Marijuana, LSD, and numerous other illegal substances.
I've actually had quite well educated and otherwise intelligent Muslims lay down the 'you cannot understand the Koran except in Arabic' line on me. Its a logical fallacy.
Have you ever put 5 or 6 different translations of the bible side by side and compared them?
http://www.biblestudytools.com/exodus/1-8-compare.html
It's really not that far fetched to claim a translation will not do justice to the original language.
I'd even argue that reading a really old book without annotations, even in the original language,
means you're going to miss out on important context that is assumed, suggested, or implied.
Just as an example: Jewish scholars spend decades studying the Talmud in its original Hebrew and Aramaic.
What makes you think a translation will allow for the same kind of understanding?
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Don't forget that the female nipple can not be shown either. If you do, there will be a huge public outcry.
The female nipple is dangerous for children, or something like that.
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Indonesian here. The article exaggerates a little on how much it really impacts the people here. Most people here don't care about it, cause most of them know "Where there is a will, there is a way.". They will always find a way to circumvent these restrictions. In fact I just did, change the DNS server, and you're done.
So yeah, the actual situation here is not as bad as the article make it out to be .
Indonesian here. The article exaggerates a little on how much it really impacts the people here. Most people here don't care about it, cause most of them know "Where there is a will, there is a way.". They will always find a way to circumvent these restrictions. In fact I just did, change the DNS server, and you're done. So yeah, the actual situation here is not as bad as the article make it out to be .
www.prophetofdoom.net
Anybody who supports Islam or muslims as 'normal', hasn't read that website, and doesn't understand what Islam actually IS.
What makes you think the divagations of a 54 years old pedophile are worth understanding?
A million porn sites? They're not even scratching the surface.
FYI :
The holiday comes at the end of the fasting month of Ramadan
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At a very young age he drilled into his kids, "What is religion?" and we would call out, "The opiate of the masses!"
We are all individuals!
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I can tell you there is a very tiny chance any significant number of readers will feel differently about it in a century, and zero readers will feel differently about it in two centuries.
That is simply because very, very few readers will still be alive in a century, and none of them will be so in two centuries.
That is simply because very, very few readers will still be alive in a century, and none of them will be so in two centuries.
Well this off-topic, but what do you base that speculation on? And what makes you think readers won't still be around in two centuries?
In the case of cannabis, it's to keep the nigras and the migras from using it to seduce innocent young white girls.
I live in Indonesia, just so we've got that out of the way (read that as: I know what I'm talking about). This is business as usual, these "blockades" are nothing more than some cheap DNS tricks, and depending on your ISP either changing your DNS servers to Google or OpenDNS or just running a little proxy will get you around it just fine.
The only reason this is news is that the presidential elections are going to be happening in 2014 and a lot of officials are already jockeying for position, considering the current president is most likely on his way out in a hurry. The minister in question (Tifatul Sembiring) is also a totally technically clueless guy, so he just dictates "block stuff" and Indonesia being Indonesia, ISP's may or may not actually get it right and block things.
So, just business as usual, move along...
P.S. It's not "Indonesia's holy month" by the way, it's an Islamic thing, it's being observed world wide.
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Media blackout on West Papua? Not true, I red news articles every now and then on the newspaper and website about Papua. We, people in Java, do know the injustice being done to our friends Papuan but this is just one of many problems we are currently facing. To use the term "blackout" is what outsiders would use to belittle Indonesians efforts to better the situation.
To make up the mistake over the years —after all we just 14 years out of Soeharto regime— they have allocate and spent trillions of IDR in an effort to develop West Papua, the amount of money that is not available to and the cause of envy of other provinces. The corruption that is rife, just like everywhere else in Indonesia, causing those money not used to make roads and new schools but to enrich the few elites there.
Great job! Only 999,999,999,999,999 million left...
This is a sort of "No True Scotsman" fallacy and a means of deflecting arguments that one cannot effectively counter. If the teacher cannot adequately explain the lesson to the student, then that is a failing of the teacher and not the student. The teacher needs to pick a form the student can make use of.
Further, it is an implicit admission that said religious book of choice cannot be useful to every human in any one form. That's an important concept, emphasizing the importance of content over form.
A universal theology has been, is, and will be, impossible.
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law
If I'm diagnosed with terminal cancer, I would like the option to end it up front, rather than spend all my savings and/or suffer for a long period of time. Yeah yeah "a miracle COULD happen", but I think I, and I alone should make that choice.
Suicide could be solved if we wanted to. The government could give people a quick, painless death provided they settle their financial affairs and responsibilities first. Although I do not have much faith in psychology (or any social science) as science, if we want to screen people who are merely depressed, that's something we can discuss, on the merits of the issue alone.
I do not think other people's emotional concerns should be paramount in this. Grown adults should have the capacity to handle the loss of loved ones, regardless of how it happened. All the government should provide for is to ensure it is done responsibly.
Total nonsense. Even using the same language people can't agree what any of this stuff is supposed to mean.
Of course, it is good to block these sites for teenagers, but all others can easily unblock the site by using additional services like Tor, btguard, Pirateray etc, so it may not work so efficiently by 100% in this case. More blocades are created, more unblocking will be created too.