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Reports Say Apple Is Shrinking Its Docking Connector With iPhone 5

jones_supa writes "Two sources have told Reuters that Apple's new iPhone will drop the classic wide dock connector used in the company's gadgets for the best part of a decade in favor of a smaller one. The refresh will be a 19-pin connector port at the bottom instead of the previous 30-pin port 'to make room for the earphone moving to the bottom.' That would mean the new phone would not connect with the myriad of accessories playing a part in the current ecosystem of iPods, iPads and iPhones, at least without an adapter. On the upside, a smaller connector will allow for more compact product designs. Some enterprising vendors in China have already begun offering cases for the new phone, complete with earphone socket on the bottom and a 'guarantee' that the dimensions are correct." Gizmodo writer Adrian Covert says it's for your own good.

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  1. Standard connectors? LOL you wish! by GameboyRMH · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm sure MicroUSB and other industry-standard connectors weren't considered. For how many years now has Apple been the last holdout with proprietary connectors?

    Even if they did they'd still find a way to make it proprietary with something like the charger resistor trick or the headphone recess.

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    1. Re:Standard connectors? LOL you wish! by johnlcallaway · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I was thinking the very same thing. How sad that Apple continues to want to keep an iron fist over their product instead of admitting others may have better ideas. Of course, they didn't really 'invent' anything other than a style. Everything they have done has only incorporated incremental improvements over existing tech. I have yet to see anything truly innovative come out of Apple, other than innovative ways to convince people they have a product worthty the Apple tax and lack of options.

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    2. Re:Standard connectors? LOL you wish! by GameboyRMH · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Apple going through the trouble of abandoning their old proprietary connector and MAKING A NEW PROPRIETARY ONE instead of going to a standard one like every other phone has had for years sounds at least a bit nefarious to me.

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    3. Re:Standard connectors? LOL you wish! by Guspaz · · Score: 4, Informative

      The "proprietary charger resistor trick" was made part of the USB standard in 2007 (USB Battery Charging Specification), three years before the article you linked to purporting to have discovered "secret resistors" that enable Apple to "artificially restricts iPhone chargers"...

      Apple's no saint, but if you're going to call them out on something, maybe try to stick to stuff they actually did wrong instead of making stuff up. The headphone recess thing might be one, although I'd argue that that was just a dumb design decision rather than an attempt to introduce a proprietary standard; it was still a standard 3.5mm jack, just rendered mostly useless.

    4. Re:Standard connectors? LOL you wish! by GameboyRMH · · Score: 2, Informative

      Before micro-USB there was mini-USB, they're standard connectors that can be forwards and backwards-compatible with simple mechanical adapters. Miniature USB connectors on phones have a long history.

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    5. Re:Standard connectors? LOL you wish! by tripleevenfall · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Do we know there won't be any adapters available? They have produced adapters for their products in the past, such as the numerous display adapters.

      It's kind of "heads I win, tails you lose".

      If Apple moves to a slimmer profile device, people say they are just trying to make people buy new cables. If they stay on an old one, people say they won't give up on their proprietary cables.

      If they produce an adapter, people will say they just want to cash in by selling the adapters. If they don't produce adapters, people say they just want to make you buy new cables.

    6. Re:Standard connectors? LOL you wish! by tripleevenfall · · Score: 2

      Every device comes with a power cable, you'd only need to buy additional ones if you wanted to own several of them.

      Most people own a number of Apple cables because they have owned a few different iPods and iPhones. The same thing will happen in the future, it will just be a different cable.

    7. Re:Standard connectors? LOL you wish! by bjackson1 · · Score: 5, Informative

      You realize that the dock connector is more than just a USB cable with a weird connector at the end, right? The new 19 pin connector would presumably do the functions of the current 30 pin dock connector, which allows full digital video and audio out, analog audio and video, and control data simultaneously over one connection. I don't believe that this is part of the USB standard.

    8. Re:Standard connectors? LOL you wish! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The problem is Apple phones are kind-of a primadonna about how peripherals can interact with them.

      If Apple put a standard port on their phone users would expect anything that will fit to work with the phone. That includes devices that use protocalles iOS does not support.

      Now there is an argument to be made that Apple could simply start supporting more protocalles. However that's never been how Apple rolls. They'd rather say "No it doesn't do that." than have something that "sort of works".

    9. Re:Standard connectors? LOL you wish! by HarrySquatter · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And mini-USB was not consistently used among all phones. I and my girlfriend have a few different model flip phones from just 2 years ago from T-Mobile that all have their own proprietary connector. Again, you are highly exaggerating how consistent USB use was and has been until only recently.

    10. Re:Standard connectors? LOL you wish! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's really sad that you're a fucking piece of shit moron. But we don't really care.

      I can appreciate that people get crazy-sensitive about their mobile phones, but "you're a fucking piece of shit" might be a tad over-the-top.

      Why does it matter to you in the slightest that Apple is using space and components efficiently, instead of creating huge devices with half-a-dozen ports?

      I don't know of anyone advocating half a dozen ports. What I do see is people saying it'd be nice if they used micro-usb like everyone else instead of a proprietary connector.

    11. Re:Standard connectors? LOL you wish! by GameboyRMH · · Score: 5, Informative

      Gonna need a source on that. There are standards that use resistors on the data lines but not in Apple's configuration:

      http://blog.curioussystem.com/2010/08/the-dirty-truth-about-usb-device-charging/

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    12. Re:Standard connectors? LOL you wish! by Cinder6 · · Score: 2

      I'm gonna say that, while I wish everyone used the same connectors, I'm not a fan of micro-USB. The devices (or maybe cables) I have just don't seem to have a tight grip and fall out pretty easily.

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    13. Re:Standard connectors? LOL you wish! by chispito · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why is it that stupid people hate Apple? Is there something about being stupid that I just don't get?

      And yet many of us prefer the company of the decent and stupid to the condescending and average.

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    14. Re:Standard connectors? LOL you wish! by tlhIngan · · Score: 5, Informative

      I'm sure MicroUSB and other industry-standard connectors weren't considered. For how many years now has Apple been the last holdout with proprietary connectors?

      Even if they did they'd still find a way to make it proprietary with something like the charger resistor trick or the headphone recess.

      Rumors have it that the port IS micro-USB compatible. As in, you can plug in a micro-USB cable into it and connect/charge via USB. This would make sense as Apple right now supplies an adapter for EU iDevices for micro USB. This would get rid of the adapter, but not the funtionality of the port.

      If you want the additional connectivity (line-in/out, component video, HDMI, etc) you need the other pins, which would be used for say, a connector adapter. (There are way too many 30-pin accessories out there).

      As for the resistors - they are a brilliant way to do USB charging - because USB chargers do NOT communicate how much power they can provide. If you plug in a USB charger, a device can't tell if it can pull more than 500mA (even then it shouldn't assume it can - USB spec calls for 100mA until you positively identify a charger or get enumerated and told you can draw 500mA). But the charger can provide 800mA, 1A, 2A or more, and you need a quick-and-cheap way of telling the host device that fact. The resistors do that (by pulling the D+/D- lines certain ways).

      FYI - the USB charger spec shorts D+ to D-, and special resistors inside the device detect that (usually through a special line state). But again, it doesn't tell you how much you can draw - a tablet might want 2A, but it can't tell for sure if you plugged it into a wimpy 500mA one. (We've blown a few during development - notably the cheapass chinese crap adapters with no protection).

      An even more proprietary way would be to include an enumeration chip that tells the device over USB what it can draw (which Apple does with its Macs to do "high-speed" charging - the ports negotiate with iDevices to provide I think 1A current).

      The USB spec is violated so often that you can make a rather useless USB host if you adhered to it, for example. The 100mA one is routinely violated (embedded devices with USB host often only provide 100mA). USB hard drives count on the fact most PC manufacturers are cheap and put only one overcurrent switch for a gang of ports (e.g., a 4 port might use a 2A overcurrent switch) so they can draw 1A+ when spinning up without tripping the switch (see this a lot).

      Or USB chargers that provide 500mA, and overheat/explode wen some device goes right ahead and tries to draw 1A.

    15. Re:Standard connectors? LOL you wish! by Githaron · · Score: 2

      For one, if your friends phone is almost dead, you are likely to have a compatible charger you can let them borrow while they are at your house. Also, it allows more devices to be made they are universally compatible rather than compatible with a single device. Besides, why not sell the chargers separate and give the savings back to the consumer. You could buy a couple of chargers and use them to charge all your devices. When you got a new device, you wouldn't need a new charger. In the end, it is more convenient to the consumer and saves on waste.

    16. Re:Standard connectors? LOL you wish! by jo_ham · · Score: 4, Informative

      The current 30 pin has all sorts along with USB - composite video, stereo line out, firewire data and power (now unused), ipod accessory control, etc. It's much more than just a micro USB port, but it is overkill now that there's no need for the firewire pins, for example.

      The same sources that have said there will be a new port have also said that an adapter is also in the works.

    17. Re:Standard connectors? LOL you wish! by v1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      For how many years now has Apple been the last holdout with proprietary connectors?

      OK then clearly they should have gone with the other industry standard cable that supports power, usb, video, remote volume and play selection, etc. Oh wait, that's right, there isn't another one!

      Your argument is only valid when there are other non-proprietary options. It works well when talking about say, Sony's "i-link" proprietary firewire connector, or any of those proprietary USB connectors on cameras, where they're using a special connector to force you to buy cables and other accessories directly from them at some absurd mark-up. But that's not the case with Apple's dock connector.

      This is the only connector that does it all in discrete pins, vastly simplifying construction of accessories. Even cars are coming with Apple's dock connector in them nowadays. Apple's not being an ass and forcing you to use their connector to do what they could have done with another standard connector. They just happen to have pioneered the market and have been using this one connector for the last decade, with a crapton of accessories being made by other vendors. You don't have to buy your dock from Apple. Try getting an iLink cable from someone besides Sony. (for $35 or so) That's how you abuse proprietary connectors

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    18. Re:Standard connectors? LOL you wish! by cpu6502 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      >>> I have yet to see anything truly innovative come out of Apple

      I can think of two things:
      1984 - mouse based OS (yes they copied it from Xerox, but they were first to put it in a home desktop)

      1988(?) - FireWire. A damn fast serial bus. Was used in HD VCRs and camcorders in addition to Macs. Sadly Apple failed to let anyone else use it (so the PC world developed USB instead).

      1991 - PowerPC... though I'm not really sure how much Apple really "contributed" to the design beyond the operating system. PPC is the heart of all modern settop game consoles (and also Amiga computers).

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    19. Re:Standard connectors? LOL you wish! by ericloewe · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Mouse? Not innovative, just applied to a home desktop.

      FireWire? Good for its niche, too expensive for mass adoption on the scale of USB.

      PowerPC? Sure, it's in the consoles, but it's not because it's good - it's cheap enough for them to get custom processors and actually own the design.

    20. Re:Standard connectors? LOL you wish! by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      It was largely driven by an EU law forcing all mobiles phones to have microUSB connectors, because people were so sick of proprietary connectors and the overpriced phone chargers that resulted.

    21. Re:Standard connectors? LOL you wish! by Hamsterdan · · Score: 2

      Audio In, Audio Out, Video Out, Auto Power Off (depending on resistor value), Dock detection, and others...

        http://pinouts.ru/PortableDevices/ipod_pinout.shtml

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    22. Re:Standard connectors? LOL you wish! by h4rr4r · · Score: 2

      Why not?

      Government action to ensure interoperability is pretty standard. It is why all cars fit in one lane on the highway.

      Heck all the government would have to do is tax $500/device that does not use an industry standard connector. No need for the government to select it, just set standards around it.

    23. Re:Standard connectors? LOL you wish! by FrankSchwab · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You have a simple life, eh?

      I have a charger at home, one at work, and a 12V one in each of my family's cars. Still pretty simple, but causes an issue if I change phones. Of course, I picked up a wife too, and if her phone didn't have the same charger as mine, I'd have to divorce her. Then, through mechanisms still somewhat mysterious, we ended up with two children. They have Nintendo DS's, and a portable DVD player for the car (all seperate proprietary chargers). My wife bought an iPad (30-pin), and the kids are getting old enough that we're considering getting them iPods (which, if we wait for the new ones, will have the 19 pin).

      Have you kept count of how many charging cords I need to have yet? Wouldn't it be nice to have one or two identical chargers in each car and in the house, and anyone could charge anything, as opposed to having 5 or 6 different chargers?

      This is a situation where Apple has their head firmly inserted into their rectum. An innovative, customer-oriented company would have put a micro-USB connector with standard USB charging protocols. If you want Audio out, or Video out, or whatever else comes out their dock, have it come out digitally and convert it in the dock.

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    24. Re:Standard connectors? LOL you wish! by icebike · · Score: 2

      I'm sure MicroUSB and other industry-standard connectors weren't considered. For how many years now has Apple been the last holdout with proprietary connectors?

      Didn't the EU mandate a standardized charger connection? Apple slips through a loop hole by providing an adapter. Like the people who forgot their charger will remember the adapter.

      Why not some teeth in the law? Forbid the import or sale in the EU of any phone that uses ANYTHING other than the standard adapter for charging.

      Or are those draconian measures reserved only for rounded corners? Why does Apple get a pass?

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    25. Re:Standard connectors? LOL you wish! by wiredog · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's USB on the other end...

    26. Re:Standard connectors? LOL you wish! by sglewis100 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Apple going through the trouble of abandoning their old proprietary connector and MAKING A NEW PROPRIETARY ONE instead of going to a standard one like every other phone has had for years sounds at least a bit nefarious to me.

      Is it possible that a standard micro or mini USB cable didn't do everything they wanted?

    27. Re:Standard connectors? LOL you wish! by v1 · · Score: 2

      I'm sort of confused, what do you think the cable does?

      Yes I can see that. On a small device like a phone or ipod there's only room for a couple connectors. Also each connector eats up space on the inside and cuts into battery life. Headphones are a requirement for the ipod and a high value connector on ipad and iphone also. Apple has added one more connector for all the other uses. The current connector does at least:

      - power
      - usb
      - firewire
      - stereo audio out
      - stereo microphone in
      - volume up and down
      - track up and down
      - play/pause
      - menu
      - composite video
      - internal speaker disable

      I suspect you're overlooking all the other functions on that cable, and seeing it as merely a power/USB cable, when it's much more than that.
      (full dock connector specs at http://pinouts.ru/PortableDevices/ipod_pinout.shtml)

      And the accessories you're bemoaning are using a connector that is ten years old. Lets look at some other 10 year old connectors, like scsi, ps/2, serial, adb. None of those are a standard jack on new hardware anymore. It IS a shame to have just bought an accessory that uses a connector that is about to be vintage'd, but it has to happen sooner or later. Let it go. Replace a few old accessories. Buy a new cable or two. And enjoy the next ten years before it inevitably happens again. Go sit on your porch and shake your cane, "Back in MY DAY we didn't have that new-fangled dock connector! All we had was this BIG OLD one, and we LIKED it!"

      Apple just did a similar update with their power connector, the magsafe. It didn't change function much, just got a little slimmer. But Apple is selling an inexpensive adapter so you can continue to use your old spare power brick or charge-from-display. I suspect they will do something like that with the dock connector, and there will likely be 3rd party adapters available also. Such an adapter won't work with most of your "drop-in" accessories, but that can't really be helped. Most of those had problems anyway when a new model of ipod came out, and many of them addressed this problem by having changeable dock inserts. Maybe your accessory manufacturer will release an adapter kit.

      On a somewhat off-topic note, I was hoping Apple was going to upgrade the magport so the center pin was optical for a digital link. The second power adapter I keep at home could have had my external display, ethernet, usb hub, backup hard drive, and speakers all plugged into it. When I got home I'd snap in just the one magsafe cable and be instantly attached to everything. Instead, I come home and have to plug in six cables, several of which really don't handle frequent use well. I wish I had a dock connector for my laptop like I do for my iphone. :(

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    28. Re:Standard connectors? LOL you wish! by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Informative

      The real issue was that Intel put USB controllers on south bridge chips. This meant that motherboard makers got USB almost for free - they just needed to put the sockets on the board and connect them to the chip. To support FireWire, they needed to add another chip and connect it to the south bridge via the PCI bus as well as to the socket. The south bridge already had traces going to the PS/2, serial and parallel ports, so adding USB did almost nothing to increase motherboard complexity - they just had to run a few extra traces alongside existing ones. Adding FireWire meant a lot of effort in board layout.

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    29. Re:Standard connectors? LOL you wish! by msauve · · Score: 2

      No, the limit for a specification USB charger is 1.5 A. Anything more is out of spec. The limit for the power contacts of a micro-USB connector is 1.8A.

      Charging by plugging into a USB device, like a laptop, is limited to 500 mA.

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    30. Re:Standard connectors? LOL you wish! by jo_ham · · Score: 5, Informative

      ...and clearly it all converts to USB.

      No, it doesn't. When the USB cable is plugged in (the one that comes with the phone and has a USB port on one end and the 30 pin port on the other) only the USB data pins and the USB power pins - 4 out of the total 30 are connected.

      Actually, the ground pin is probably also connected to the shielding. Five pins.

      The other pins connect when other things are connected, like a docking port on a music system will have the power pins, the accessory control and the line out pins connected. The HDMI adapter will connect to other pins, the video adapter will connect to the line out pins and the video pins.

      The USB cable with the standard USB port on the end *absolutely does not* convert all those things down so that they work over USB. It connects the two data pins and the 5V power only.

    31. Re:Standard connectors? LOL you wish! by tooyoung · · Score: 2

      Ah, but it doesn't have to convert to USB. This is what you and apparently 2/3 of posters on this article don't seem to understand - the Apple connector can output to HDMI, S-Video, component video, VGA, RGB, component audio, etc. One cool thing about supporting component output is that you don't have to have a chip that can interpret USB on the device that you are outputting to. This means that you iProduct can be used to broadcast to most devices that you already own. It also allows device manufacturers to cut costs. You know all of those iPod stereo devices? They are just taking analog audio. Those machines at the gym that have screens that you can plug your iPhone into and watch your videos? They are just taking analog video.

    32. Re:Standard connectors? LOL you wish! by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Informative

      The EU regulation has an loophole, which means that as long as Apple puts a dock to micro-USB adaptor in the box they comply. As to the dock vs micro-USB issue, most people seem to be missing the fact that the dock connector does a lot more than USB. It also contains audio line in and out, component and s-video, serial, USB, and FireWire (not in recent ones). USB is a step backwards. A modern replacement for the dock should ideally contain display port or HDMI video and a switchable line out / S/PDIF or similar. Personally, I'd love to see Thunderbolt ports on mobile devices.

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    33. Re:Standard connectors? LOL you wish! by ceoyoyo · · Score: 3, Informative

      Only for charging and data transfer. Any device that uses any of the extra functions (and there are a LOT... any speaker system that has a dock connector, or car kit, for example) is definitely NOT USB on the other end.

    34. Re:Standard connectors? LOL you wish! by ceoyoyo · · Score: 2

      Plus analog audio and video, plus a control spec so you don't have to implement a full USB host in your peripheral.

    35. Re:Standard connectors? LOL you wish! by s.o.terica · · Score: 4, Informative

      I don't know of anyone advocating half a dozen ports. What I do see is people saying it'd be nice if they used micro-usb like everyone else instead of a proprietary connector.

      I think his point, however poorly made, was that if they did switch to micro-USB, there would have to be more ports to supplement the additional capabilities the dock connector is used for (line-level analog audio, analog and HDMI video, additional power options, etc). At the very minimum, there would have to be a second minijack connector to provide line-level audio, in a standardized location across all their devices so that it could still be placed in a dock, along with a separate stabilizing mechanism since otherwise you would have to rely on the minijack connector and micro-USB connector holding the device in place. This sounds like a less elegant solution by far. And is likely the reason that no other manufacturer has a docking standard that works across all of their devices.

    36. Re:Standard connectors? LOL you wish! by itsdapead · · Score: 5, Informative

      I have yet to see anything truly innovative come out of Apple,

      Well, not if you define "innovation" as actually inventing a completely brand new idea from scratch, and don't give any credit to the hard part - selling it. "Build a better mousetrap and the world will beat a path to your door" is an aphorism only exceeded in utter wrongness by "look after the pennies and the pounds will look after themselves".

      The story of Apple's life has been "they may not have invented (x) but they were one of the first to turn it into a desirable product and successfully market it..." where X includes the GUI and mouse, local area networking, the laser printer, PostScript - and hence desktop publishing, full motion video on PC (Quicktime was at the cutting edge of this) - and hence nonlinear video editing... some of us were around when these things were taking off and people sure as hell weren't using IBM PCs for them (Amigas and Acorns maybe).

      And the original Mac is something of a design classic...

      Then you have the modern laptop - with the keyboard set back and a central pointing device in front, as debuted on the first Powerbooks. Maybe not the Manhattan project, but virtually every other laptop since has copied it. Pretty sure that the previous Mac "Portable", though deemed a flop, was the first portable to use an active-matrix (TFT) display.

      Using a RISC processor? RISC vs. CISC is almost irrelevant now (since modern CISC processors have assimilated the good bits of RISC design) but it used to be the Next Big Thing and Apple were the second to market with a RISC-based personal computer (Acorn were first by a long margin, but not really significant outside of the UK, although the ARM processor they developed didn't do badly - Apple played a big role in the later development of that, too). Then there's Digital Cameras - again, not the first but one of the first viable consumer products.

      Of course, the Newton wasn't innovative at all because some guy at Xerox had sketched one on a beer mat 20 years before (and anyway, Steve Jobs planted the whole Newton thing when he was using a time machine to set up the great iPhone conspiracy).

      Then there's USB. Apple certainly didn't invent that, but before the iMac the only use for it was the slightly increased airflow from those two funny square sockets on the back of your PC that Windows 95 didn't really support. There was a reason why most of the first mass-market USB peripherals had translucent blue cases...

      So, what have Apple done for us this century? Well, every year in the 80s and 90s was going to be The Year of Unix on the Desktop. Apple finally did it with OS X (yes, there's Linux - which succeeded on servers, embedded devices an Android but has yet to get large scale adoption on the desktop). They managed to fairly seamlessly switch from PPC to Intel using emulation/recompilation (quite an achievement) and popularised Small Form Factor computers. We've had vastly improved trackpads on laptops (seriously - I always had to carry a mouse around until Apple introduced the new multitouch trackpads). Now we have an external PCIe bus (thunderbolt) which may or may not take off, and they've just doubled the linear resolution of their laptop display at a time when everybody else had decided that 1080p was enough.

      I won't mention the iPod/iPhone because everybody knows that they were invented by Samsung after being inspired by the "news pad" in the film 2001, and that Apple copied them and then used a time machine to go back and launch the iPhone at a time when Android phones looked like this.

      So please suggest some other companies with anything like that track record. Microsoft/IBM? Well, turning the personal computer into a commodity was pretty damned significant (not so sure that it was progress), but apart from that...

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    37. Re:Standard connectors? LOL you wish! by ceoyoyo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      All the ones I found for Android used the headphone port for audio (not line out, which is much higher quality), couldn't control volume and/or playback, or was very expensive because it had to do everything over USB (and required a special app) or Bluetooth. If you can find one, please share.

      Some Android devices can do analog video out via their headphone jacks. Which means if you want to charge at the same time you need two cables. And again, if you want to have off-device controls you need a full USB implementation.

      I found a couple of Android speaker docks. Like this one: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/mobile-gadgeteer/finally-a-universal-speaker-dock-for-android/5506. It requires connecting a couple of cables, and using a special app for playback control.

      From the review:

      Again, if you have an iPhone or iPod dock, this may not sound like a huge feature set, but if you have an Android phone, this is heaven.

      Given the scarcity of speaker docks for Android, the $100 price is worth the experience.

      Perhaps you should try again? Or not....

    38. Re:Standard connectors? LOL you wish! by acoustix · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I think his point, however poorly made, was that if they did switch to micro-USB, there would have to be more ports to supplement the additional capabilities the dock connector is used for (line-level analog audio, analog and HDMI video, additional power options, etc).

      At the very minimum, there would have to be a second minijack connector to provide line-level audio, in a standardized location across all their devices so that it could still be placed in a dock, along with a separate stabilizing mechanism since otherwise you would have to rely on the minijack connector and micro-USB connector holding the device in place. This sounds like a less elegant solution by far. And is likely the reason that no other manufacturer has a docking standard that works across all of their devices.

      Why not provide three ports at the bottom of the device: 1/8" headphone jack, micro USB and micro HDMI? Use those as the docking ports. Viola! No proprietary connectors needed. You can use each of the three ports independently when not docked. The dock would then consist of one, two or all three connectors depending on the functionality of the dock.

      Problem solved.

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    39. Re:Standard connectors? LOL you wish! by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      FireWire was already dying by that point. I had a couple of drives that had FireWire 400, FireWire 800 and USB 2. FW800 was clearly superior: I could plug both of them into a single port on my laptop and still not be bottlenecked by the connection. USB2 couldn't quite match FW400 in real-world usage. But there were very few computers with FW400, let alone FW800, so there was little incentive for device manufacturers to use FireWire (and produce more expensive devices, since FireWire was no host-device model).

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    40. Re:Standard connectors? LOL you wish! by Kalriath · · Score: 2

      More power-draining devices can negotiate a higher power output if the bus is capable of supplying it. That's in spec.

      However, Apple devices won't. They'll ask for a higher power output only if they see iTunes running on a Mac (ever wondered why iPads always report "Not Charging" when plugged into a PC?).

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  2. Re:Just switch to USB by GameboyRMH · · Score: 4, Insightful

    To Apple that isn't a feature, it's a bug.

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  3. Re:Just switch to USB by Kenja · · Score: 5, Insightful

    USB lacks video & audio out as well as other feature connectors. So its one custom connector, or several standard ones. Apple wants fewer connectors, so a custom one is used. Not a big deal really.

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  4. Yeah, but... by Antipater · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's not about how big the connector is. It's how you use it!

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  5. The old connector isn't just for pins... by mlts · · Score: 2

    One thing about the current connector Apple uses is that it doesn't just provide pins, it provides a structural element, allowing devices to plug in standing up. Without this, it will be a pain at least for a docking station to be built, especially ones that are engineered to support iPhones, iPods, and iPads, all of differing widths, heights, and thicknesses, but all sporting the same connector.

    I hope this isn't the case, since it means that the whole accessory market, from the docking station that is a part of a new motorhome to the one that is built into a home theater system, to the dock that is part of a construction grade battery charger are all useless.

  6. Thinner! by SuricouRaven · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Why this relentless drive for thinness at Apple? They switched to displayport because VGA/DVI ports were too thick, and now they dropped ethernet from their new retina laptops because the RJ45 connector is too thick. Every time Apple bring out a new iThing, I see the fanboys celebrate how this is the slimmest iThing yet - another 0.25mm shaved from the thickness! Really, once a phone reaches the 'fits in pocket' size, what advantage could be gained for the user in making it slimmer? It's just became some sort of Apple dogma that thinner is better and thinnest is best.

    1. Re:Thinner! by hahn · · Score: 2

      As the saying goes, "You can never be too rich or too thin."

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    2. Re:Thinner! by tooyoung · · Score: 2

      My wife has an iPod touch, which looks just like the early model iPhone, but it is much thinner. I have to say, I'd love having a phone exactly like that. Not because I'm a drooling fanboy who needs to have the latest shiny, thin, fancy thing, but because it is just a very nice form factor. Is that so unreasonable?

    3. Re:Thinner! by SolemnLord · · Score: 2

      It's just became some sort of Apple dogma that thinner is better and thinnest is best.

      And yet the latest iPad is actually thicker than the iPad 2, but I doubt you'd find anyone in Cupertino calling the iPad 2 "the best".

      As the Gizmodo article pointed out, the smaller connector gives Apple the opportunity to either add more internal space to the currently-existing iPhone footprint, or shrink the device down further. Both of those are beneficial to the device's design (especially since the next iPhone will probably have LTE, and will need all the battery it can get). And when all other things are equal, in mobile computing smaller and lighter is straight-up better. It's the whole point of mobile. "Fits in pocket" is nice, but "fits well in pocket" is even better. "Can be easily fished out of the pocket when you really need it but you're sitting down and your jean pockets are small in the first place" is best.

      Thinner also means "dissipates heat easier", which matters when you cram your electronics as tightly together as you can, which is what Apple does. (If I'm wrong on this, feel free to correct me. I'm no materials engineer)

      Addendum:

      They switched to displayport because VGA/DVI ports were too thick,

      And ugly. They were big and ugly. And obsolete (VGA, anyway). So they were big and ugly and obsolete. Pretty good reason to ditch something, if you ask me.

  7. Secret agenda perhaps by ravenswood1000 · · Score: 2

    Watch them stop manufacturing the current connector as a way to make us all "upgrade".

  8. Re:11 pins, free of charge by HarrySquatter · · Score: 2

    It's to remove pins that are no longer used.

  9. Re:There definitely might be an adapter... by Rik+Sweeney · · Score: 2

    there are equally credible rumors [macrumors.com] that Apple will be making an adapter.

    To be sold separately.

  10. Re:That's bullshit by fluffythedestroyer · · Score: 2

    Forgot to tel but:

    In 2011 the global market for mobile phone accessories will rake in an estimated $34 billion in revenue. Apple-approved products—accessories made by Apple or branded by Apple—make up about $2 to $3 billion of that.

    from fiscal times

    They can't ignore that.

  11. Why have any connectors? by Animats · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Connectors are obsolete on a device that has at least three radios in it. Charging should be inductive, video should be WiFi, and audio should be Bluetooth. Then the thing would be hole-free and could be made waterproof.

    Now this is what Apple should be shooting for in ruggedization.

  12. Propriatary connectors are proprietary by Shompol · · Score: 3, Insightful
    From TFA:

    New standards are always rough on the early adopter

    Standards? What standards? Maybe if you stuck to the standards this would not have happened to you.

    All electronics stores everywhere overstocked on Apple peripherals to the point that speakers connecting to non-Apple device are hard to come by. This is the payback time! My turn to walk with a gleeful grin, as millions $ worth of equipment finds its way to the dumpsters worldwide.

  13. Re:Just switch to USB by iluvcapra · · Score: 2

    iPad requires an active dongle to connect to an SD card: ridiculous! N900 requires an active dongle to connect to a TV: completely acceptable!*

    Macbook Air requires a dongle to use wired ethernet: bondage! Podunk Clock Radio Corp. has to use an integrated USB or BT chipset in order to get a line-level output: totally obvious!**

    I know it's not necessarily the same people complaining, but really.

    * Are we sure a phone's USB 2.0 can push an HD image at 30fps? Not just an H.264 stream, because we want to run games on it too.

    ** Using headphone lines for external devices is crappy engineering -- the impedance is low voltage and neither mic level nor line level, and the receiving device is dependent on the phone's volume setting.

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  14. Re:Just switch to USB by imagined.by · · Score: 2

    One word: Accessoires.

  15. Re:Just switch to USB by imagined.by · · Score: 2

    Of course USB is "capable" of sending video and audio. But for manufacturers of accessoires, it is 100x easier to implement analog connections than figuring out some data protocols.

  16. Re:11 pins, free of charge by silverhalide · · Score: 2

    Look at the pinout:
    http://pinouts.ru/PortableDevices/ipod_pinout.shtml

    I'm going to guess with a high confidence that they are losing analog video pins (3), Firewire pins (6, including 12V power pins), and probably consolidating some of the ground and reserved pins.

    Another connector redesign issue may be to address some shielding issues - as they move to high frequency HDMI video connections, the original connector may have had some challenges there.

  17. Re:Just switch to USB by Darth+Snowshoe · · Score: 2

    Steve Jobs is making me do it!

    Steve, Steve, please stop! I don't want a new, smaller connector! AAAAAAAGGH!

    His new connector is going to only connect to my new phone Steve is making me buy!! And no one else's! And I can't stop him! He's already in my house! At my refridgerator, eating all the peanut butter!

    And on his new connector, there's a PRIME NUMBER of pins! NINETEEN! It's IIINDIIIIVIIIISSSSSIIIIIIIBLLLLLLLE!!

    His connector is going to read all my iTunes playlists and delete all the the old Yes! and make me listen to new Yes! And Night Ranger! And Starship! HE BUILT THIS CITY!!!

    His secret UN jackbooted thugs are going to come into my parents' basement, and make me give up all of my mini-USB! and my micro-USB! Even though they signed! They're watching me right now! They're listening, through the fillings in my teeth!

    Steve just won't quit!!!! BECAUSE now, he's a zombie CEO! Zombie!

    (I'm sorry, but I'm losing it. This is the dumbest thread ever on Slashdot. If you don't like the connectors, get a different phone. Or, you know, like the article says, get an adaptor.)