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Ubisoft Uplay DRM Found To Include a Rootkit

An anonymous reader writes "It has been discovered that the Uplay system Ubisoft uses to both check a game is legal and offer up gaming achievements, multiplayer, and additional content, actually contains a rootkit. The discovery was made by Tavis Ormandy, an information security engineer at Google, when he installed Assassin's Creed: Revelations on his laptop. He noticed that during the installation Uplay installed a browser plug-in that allows any website to gain access to your machine through a backdoor and take control of it.The plug-in can be classed as a rootkit because it is thought to allow continued privileged access to a machine without a user's consent."
Update: Ubisoft has released a statement saying it has issued a forced patch to correct the flaw in the browser plug-in for the Uplay PC application.

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  1. under the DMCA any antivirus software can get sued by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    under the DMCA any antivirus software companies can get sued for remove or even marking this.

  2. Not really surprising. by Black+LED · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's reasons like this that I refuse to buy anything from Ubisoft.

    1. Re:Not really surprising. by afidel · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yep, I own every HoMM game except VI due to the retarded DRM. I wish Steam had a filter button to remove anything with third party DRM so I wouldn't have to get my hopes up just to end up not buying a title due to publisher stupidity.

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    2. Re:Not really surprising. by Polizei · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's reasons like this I refuse to install any closed source binaries - besides the inbound and outbound firewall...

    3. Re:Not really surprising. by BigSlowTarget · · Score: 3, Informative

      I finally got HoMM VI despite DRM reservations on extreme sale and I have to say it wasn't worth it even for 90% off. They stripped all the strategy from the game and left it an empty advertising husk. Don't bother.

    4. Re:Not really surprising. by localman57 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      happily playing Diablo 3 after I told them how much of a bitch the DRM is to the market place

      That's the problem in a nutshell. If they're happy, either we aren't doing a good job making our point, or it really doesn't matter to them. Only one of two things will happen to make them change their minds. We have to make a case that they will be happier without DRM (in a way that is compelling enough that they will choose to be less happy in the short term to achieve it--By not playing Diablo, etc), or they have to get burned bad enough that the product itself makes them unhappy.

      The problem, as I see it, is that most people just don't care, as long as it works. Most people aren't game historians, who worry about whether the authentication servers will still be there in 10 years. And for the small percentage of the people who actively fight against corporate interests, things like DRM take a backseat (and probably rightfully so) behind getting fucked by the banks, fucked by your health care provider, poisoned by local industries, etc.

      If there is a technical issue that's on the public's front burner, it's Net Neutrality. And I'm ok with that. I can walk away from Ubisoft. But it's much harder to just say I'll do without the Internet.

    5. Re:Not really surprising. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Will it find your porn?"

      I dunno, a DRM scheme that found all my porn and automatically downloaded similar high def porn clips would be pretty useful. Would save me a lot of time on YouPorn.

    6. Re:Not really surprising. by Githaron · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If he is anything like me, considering the (holiday sale) prices and relatively non-intrusive DRM of Steam, he finds Steam's DRM a fair compromise. Unfortunately, if ones does not pay attention, it is relatively easy to buy a Steam game that has an additional DRM on it. This additional DRM is usually much more intrusive. Also, it is usually harder to know what that additional DRM is going to do unless you want to do a bunch of Googling. The Steam DRM is the same from title to title. One online run after install and then the ability to plan offline. In the end, he wants to ability to easily filter out third-party DRMs that are likely to be intrusive and are unknown.

    7. Re:Not really surprising. by gman003 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I've said this before: DRM, in and of itself, is not evil.

      If all the DRM does is check whether I have or have not purchased the [whatever], and reliably detects paying users as such (low false-positive rate; the false-negative rate is meaningless to me), and the only thing it does is conditionally run (or not run) the [whatever], and it requires minimal work on my own part, I'm fine with it. And, it seems, many others are fine with it as well.

      Now, many, even most, DRM implementations fail at least one of those evilness checks. This Ubisoft one violates the "don't do anything on the system not related to your product" clause. Many others fail the "reliably detect paying users as such" clause - always-online systems detect offline-but-paying users as nonpaying, for instance.

      Steam passes the evilness checks with only a few caveats (it's not perfect, but it's one of the better ones, and probably the best with that level and quantity of games). You will have to go online at least once to authenticate, you need to prepare a bit ahead of time before going offline (random internet dropouts or the Steam servers themselves going down can stop you), and it does encrypt pre-loaded games. And then there's the whole "no reselling/used games" thing, but honestly, I'm fine with that. I've never found selling my old games to be financially worth it, and the very phrase "used digital games" is an absurdity.

    8. Re:Not really surprising. by xaoslaad · · Score: 5, Informative

      Steam doesn't limit the number of installs I can perform. It doesn't require me to be always online. It doesn't stop me from running games under wine[1]. It doesn't restrict me to only one or a few downloads of my purchase. Steam may be DRM, but as things go it is pretty reasonable.

      I have had games limit me to 10 installs. Games with cruddy DRM that can't possibly function under wine. Others let me only download them once. I have fortunately never had to deal with the always online crap, unless by its very nature it was necessary for the game (MMORPG's, for example).

      [1] Yes, I actually game using wine, so that is of value to me. I only run Linux at home. It's a pain in the butt for gaming, but it's how I do it.

    9. Re:Not really surprising. by Baloroth · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You'd like Steam - a DRM system - to help you buy only DRMed games that don't use a competing DRM system?

      People really have drunk the Steam kool-aid, haven't they?

      Yes, because unlike every other DRM system I've ever seen, Steam actually helps to improve the experience, by making sure the game is up-to-date, storing saves and config files in the "cloud" (for developers who implement it), allowing me to re-download and re-install games on as many computers as I please, allowing me to easily play with friends (or not, as I see fit), and still allowing me to play games offline (unlike *ahem* Blizzard). And of course their famous sales. I know people who dislike Valve who still like Steam. Granted, the DRM isn't necessary for all that technically speaking, but it is to provide a decent selection (most developers wouldn't put their games on Steam if it didn't have copy-protection of some kind).

      Honestly, Steam is almost always as easier, sometimes more, than pirating games.

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    10. Re:Not really surprising. by ifrag · · Score: 3, Insightful

      +1 to that. A global flag in steam to hide them. With 30%+ using this flag devs would wise up.

      Unlikely, would probably just cause another outbreak of "Our sales are dropping from piracy again!"

      I really would like that toggle, if Steam could manage to make it accurate anyway.

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  3. Is anyone actually surprised? by h4rr4r · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Who is actually surprised?

    This is the one thing that has me worried about Steam on linux. Using it in wine I can be fairly sure I have it limited to one user account and no real ability to mess with the machine, but when it installs natively who knows.

    1. Re:Is anyone actually surprised? by NalosLayor · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Cheating"...it's the "terrorism" of the gaming world.

    2. Re:Is anyone actually surprised? by jones_supa · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I don't know if it's anymore there, but along C drive residing in '~/.wine/drive_c/' Wine has defaulted to mapping Z to '/'. So for some extra protection be sure to remove that. And in this case, just remember to move all the installers and stuff in the virtual C drive before starting them.

    3. Re:Is anyone actually surprised? by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Wine doesn't run as root though (I tried, it actually screams and exits immediately). Wine has a mapping to $HOME that you need to remove though...

    4. Re:Is anyone actually surprised? by causality · · Score: 4, Interesting

      So do you actually install it as a different user, or do you just feel warm and fuzzy that they can't modify your system, even though most of what you probably care about exists within your user account?

      Even if you install it as a different user, you would need to log out of your main account every time (or, I suppose, run a secondary X server) as the rights required to display to your X server pretty much give full access to your account.

      My own setup has a user account specifically dedicated to Wine. This user doesn't run anything else. That user has no network access at all because of iptables. There is a PAM module that gives this user access to draw on the X display when I switch to it (Gentoo does this by default; on most Debian-derived distros you have to configure PAM with a one-liner in /etc/pam.d/su -- add "session optional pam_xauth.so" to that text file).

      I use a Gentoo Hardened system so I place extra restrictions on it. The Wine user cannot see processes of any other user and the permissions on anything outside of its home directory are quite restrictive. Back when I played WoW (and had to allow network access, but only just what it needed), it would scan the running processes as an anti-cheating measure; on this system it would see only itself and a couple of Wine processes. On a normal Linux system, any user can view every user's running processes. Also, Wine is compiled with SSP and has NX and other hardening features applied to it.

      That's not an exhaustive list but it covers the main steps I took. You can probably gather that I don't trust binary Windows programs.

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  4. That's awesome by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I started boycotting several manufacturers over the games that required a constant online connection. I can't wait to tell my buddy that thinks that the boycott is stupid how his system is rooted (again)!

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    1. Re:That's awesome by oneandoneis2 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      As somebody who hasn't bought (or pirated) any games in about a decade (other than a few of the Wii Lego series) I have to say that the only downside of boycotting all modern games is that you have to find something to do with all the extra free time and money.

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    2. Re:That's awesome by tehcyder · · Score: 3, Funny

      The problem is that if you try to boycott every game publisher or developer that does stupid things like this, you'll shortly end up boycotting almost every company.

      Never mind, there's always Tux Racer.

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  5. Re:under the DMCA any antivirus software can get s by MarioMax · · Score: 5, Insightful

    under the DMCA any antivirus software companies can get sued for remove or even marking this.

    On the other hand, Ubisoft is probably guilty of violating Federal wiretap laws.

  6. Re:Enough with giving Windows a pass by h4rr4r · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is software installed by the user on purpose, it is no flaw in windows that allowed it in. You could write software to do the same thing on any number of OSes.

    I am no windows fan, but you can't blame them for this.

  7. The post: by Fwipp · · Score: 5, Informative

    Because it's missing from the summary and also the linked article, here's the initial report: http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2012/Jul/375

  8. No wonder game sales are slumping... by dryriver · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Game sales are seriously down in 2012 compared to previous years. I am willing to bet that at least partially, this is because of the Steam/Origin/UPlay DRM garbage game publishers force you to install. ------- The game industry needs to take a long, hard look at the way it treats paying customers. Instead of the "we force xyz conditions on you" mantra practiced today, the industry needs to switch to "the buyer is always right". This means that the industry will need to listen to what game buyers want, and no longer IMPOSE completely unnecessary and counterproductive terms & conditions on the paying gamer. -------- This will probably never happen... The industry is run by money-oriented suits & beancounters who don't really care about making good games. But it would definitely have been nice to see, even if for just one day, the industry actually listening to what its customers want. --------- Maybe Kickstarter.com can help fix this mess. The 24 game projects that have been funded with Kickstarter will all be delivered sometime in 2013. And then we will see if the "Crowdfunded Games" can serve as a replacement for buying games from the big Multi-Billion Dollar game publishers. ------

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    1. Re:No wonder game sales are slumping... by Tridus · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Based on what data? NPD says that game sales are slumping, but NPD's numbers are shit. They're based on retail sales at big stores. They're of little to no use when tracking the growth areas of the gaming market: anything digital. Game sales are likely not down at all, just people buying shiny disks at Walmart.

      Besides that, 2012 has featured a lot of big name letdowns compared to 2011. The fall season will likely do better.

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    2. Re:No wonder game sales are slumping... by dc29A · · Score: 5, Informative

      Game sales are down for consoles maybe. With a bit of googling, you might find silly things like NVidia's 23% revenue growth attributed to PC gaming alone. And of course that Steam has 100% sales growth in 2012 over 2011. Oh and Diablo III selling like hotcakes. But hey, this profit growth is all because DRM is making people NOT buy games right?

    3. Re:No wonder game sales are slumping... by ilsaloving · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because of Steam, I have actually bought MORE games than I ever had in my entire life up to that point. And that's, IMO, it actually gives me value:
      a) amazing deals on games, allowing me to buy top titles for $15 as long as I'm patient enough to wait for the sale
      b) saved games are backed up, so when I need to delete a game, I know that I can reinstall in the future and continue from where I left off
      c) I can load the game onto an entirely *different* machine and continue from where I left off
      d) My primary machine is a mac, but when I buy a game on steam I get the mac AND windows version. While I have not actually tried to yet, I *think* the save games are supposed to move between platforms as well. I could be wrong about that though.
      e) Steam/Valve has done a LOT to improve the gaming scene on Mac, and now they are trying to do the same for Linux.

      The only real downside is that I can't sell my games second-hand to someone else. But considering that I've never really done that anyway, it's a moot point.

      So yeah, Steam may have the properties of a DRM system, but I am willing to live with it because I consider the benefits to dramatically outweigh the negatives.

      Meanwhile Blizzard and Ubisoft provide nothing of the sort, and can go DIAF for all I care.

  9. Re:Enough with giving Windows a pass by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You think a backdoor couldn't be installed on Linux? The person voluntarily ran an installer executable. The sky is the limit when you do that. Heck, it came from a big company as official product, giving the social engineering aspect a boost -- people just clicked approve approve approve on all Windows' carefully-engineered install blockers.

    Which, IIRC, don't even exist on Linux. Or maybe you're a Mac fan. Guess what? See above re: running an executable from a trusted source.

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  10. Re:under the DMCA any antivirus software can get s by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You can't always waive your rights, even if you agree to it.

  11. Not a rootkit, but... by Kdansky · · Score: 5, Informative

    Technically, rootkit is the wrong term. It doesn't insert itself into the system, and it cannot execute code with privileges. It's still a security hole big enough to swallow small countries.

    1. Re:Not a rootkit, but... by canajin56 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Rootkits are about avoiding detection while granting somebody else the ability to execute arbitrary code remotely. Although it's a deviation from the origin of the name, there's no requirement that a rootkit have root access. Ring 3 rootkits are still considered rootkits, and that includes this one, which is essentially a DLL injection into the browser, if one that's not hidden from the user, just made to seem harmless. That is, if you see that there is a uPlay plugin after you install uPlay, you might assume that's to interface between their store and their DRM, rather than having a built-in browser like Steam has. You probably wouldn't think it's there to execute arbitrary code from any website that wants to. When they talk about "privileged access" to your system, they mean the philosophical "privileged access", which is access that nobody else has. Executing arbitrary code is privileged access, because only the local user is supposed to be able to do that. It doesn't mean "root access". At any rate, I don't think privilege escalation is tricky on Windows.

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  12. Re:All DRM is rootkit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    IMHO ANY software that allows someone to delete/alter/lock up something on my machine without my permission is essentially a rootkit.

    DRM does not allow someone to "delete/alter" anything. It only "locks up" in the crypto sense, as DRM is basically crypto code. I dislike DRM, but will defend a software company's right to encrypt their software, and even allow them to require an Internet connection to "unlock/decrypt" that software so that it can be used. This is their choice, and in that respect, "buyer beware". Vote with your cash.

    OTOH, installing a rootkit which allows possible unauthorised access to my machine, by the company or any other 3rd party without specific permission for each and every access??? They deserve to be fined out of existence by every legal system on the planet.

  13. Re:Enough with giving Windows a pass by GuldKalle · · Score: 3, Funny

    Can we stop calling them "Computer" games when what we really mean is Windows game? Linux constantly gets a pass in the popular press using generic terms when the entertainment is very specific to the Windows platform. Yes, other OSs get games but it is a drop in the bucket to the ocean of what is seen on Windows and it is disingenuous to mislead laypeople otherwise.

    And don't worry, if Ubisoft ever makes a game available on linux, this is what you'd see:
    [sudo] password for AC:

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  14. this sounds familiar by slashmydots · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Rootkit = hidden from the file structure of an OS, typically by intercepting explorer display calls. So it's not that but definitely a trojan, as it is a game on the outside and secret remote control browser plugin on the inside. By the way, there is no such thing as a hidden browser plugin. IE9 pops up and says that there's a new browser plugin and asks to enable it or not. Does it get around this? I think Firefox is a little more inviting to whatever the hell wants to hop in, as is Chrome, but no matter what, you can see all add-ons listed in all 3 browsers.

    By the way, if you're thinking "hmmm, where have I heard Ubisoft news before?" they used a hacker team's no-CD crack, as-is, in one of their official updates to Rainbow 6 Vegas 2 to solve a problem with the game calling their own legit CD a fake CD.

  15. Re:under the DMCA any antivirus software can get s by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 5, Informative

    In what way?
    You really think they did not include some fine print in the EULA about how the user was consenting to this?

    An illegal action (not sure if this is or not) remains illegal, even if both parties agree to it.

  16. Re:under the DMCA any antivirus software can get s by poetmatt · · Score: 4, Informative

    What, have you never heard of the sony rootkit? they were pretty damn close to getting sued for similar issues.

    Fine print won't do anything to get around this. Just like every fine print says you indemnify the company - if there's a real issue, the judges will ignore the EULAs which have been deemed legally unenforceable anyway.

  17. And they wonder... by mycroft16 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And they wonder why there is piracy of video games. Seems quite obvious to me. "Buy game and get a rootkit installed on my machine, compromising my system's security or get the game from pirates without that."

  18. Re:All DRM is rootkit by Dog-Cow · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A rootkit is software that allows root access without (further) exploiting the OS/software on the machine. The software itself may do nothing at all beyond that, and it's still a rootkit.

    Conversely, software which reformats your harddrive is not a rootkit if it doesn't grant root access. Even if it itself is running as root!

    So, your definition is crap. You've basically made up your own just so you can hate on DRM. It's stupid because DRM is crap even without this misguided rationalization.

  19. Re:under the DMCA any antivirus software can get s by History's+Coming+To · · Score: 5, Informative

    Correct, in the UK at least, not sure about US law. For example, even if I agreed to work for less than minimum wage the employer is still breaking the law if they don't pay minimum wage, you can't sign away your legal rights. Also, they could be leaving themselves open to even bigger trouble - it could be argued that by doing this Ubisoft have taken responsibility for anything placed on the computer as a result and could be held legally responsible for anything found on it, such as malware or child porn.

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  20. The evil JS: by nthitz · · Score: 5, Informative

    var x = document.createElement('OBJECT');
    x.setAttribute("type", "application/x-uplaypc");
    document.body.appendChild(x);
    x.open("-orbit_product_id 1 -orbit_exe_path QzpcV0lORE9XU1xTWVNURU0zMlxDQUxDLkVYRQ== -uplay_steam_mode -uplay_dev_mode -uplay_dev_mode_auto_play")

  21. Re:under the DMCA any antivirus software can get s by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So? Ubisoft is a corporation, its not like anything bad is actually going to happen to them.

  22. Re:you know what... I blame myself... by Nadaka · · Score: 4, Informative

    And the price you pay for buying d3 is an endless pointless grind to gather loot, to sell to the vendor for a paltry few of the billion gold that you would need in order to have the gear strong enough to farm for actual items. Or you can go on the real money auction house and give blizzard an extra 15% of filthy lucre from the $500 to $2500 it will cost you to gear up for inferno act4.

  23. Prosecute? by MattW · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm going to contact my Congresspeople, and ask them to ask the Department of Justice to investigate and prosecute any violation of wiretapping and/or computer crime laws which may have occurred.

  24. Re:Enough with giving Windows a pass by SharpFang · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wait, not really.

    You install a computer game
    The game claims to install counterfeiting and cheat protection
    What you also get in the bundle without consenting is a backdoor/rootkit

    This is the very definition of a trojan.

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  25. uPlay just updated by derfy · · Score: 5, Informative

    uPlay update 2.0.4: 'Fix addressing browser plugin. Plugin now only able to open uPlay application.'

    Well, that was fast.

    1. Re:uPlay just updated by ledow · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The problem is that people see things as fixed/not fixed.

      Let's assume the problem is "fixed". What sort of development, security and testing regimes did their DRM go through to get to the point where any web page can open any application without any checks whatsoever previously? And how does that bode for anything that's not STUPIDLY TRIVIAL like finding this bug, e.g. buffer overflows, privilege escalations, etc.

      Don't judge them on what they fixed. Judge them on just how terminally inept is was to allow that sort of thing to exist in the first place, let alone slip through into production code on a multi-million dollar game publisher. What else is there lurking in that plugin / app that *hasn't* been found and isn't so trivial to spot and fix?

  26. Re:under the DMCA any antivirus software can get s by Dunbal · · Score: 5, Informative

    You mean the EULA you are forced to agree to AFTER making the purchase? Null and void.

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  27. Re:under the DMCA any antivirus software can get s by jones_supa · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Exactly. When a individual screws up, he loses his summer cabin, children, dog and job. But when a company does so, everything continues pretty much the same...it shouldn't be like that. Companies should be tools for us, not the other way around.

  28. Re:under the DMCA any antivirus software can get s by Antarius · · Score: 3, Funny

    Don't you watch South Park?

    I hope you don't have any Apple products or software on your system...

  29. Re:under the DMCA any antivirus software can get s by MrHanky · · Score: 4, Informative

    Which is incorrect. There was a class action suit, which Sony in the end settled.

  30. Re:under the DMCA any antivirus software can get s by fast+turtle · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Of course, where I live "EULA's" are invalid and can not be enforced under California law. Sorry UbiSoft, you've just made a tactical error that will get your asses sued in California and no, since an EULA is not recognized by California and Symantec has? their HQ in Silicon Valley - Don't know about McAffee, they're protected from DMCA issues.

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  31. Re:under the DMCA any antivirus software can get s by wvmarle · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In most if not all jurisdictions in this world, the law is always above any contract or agreement. And rightfully so, just think of the mess we would have if that is not the case. It's also why in all proper contracts you will find a "survivability clause", stating that if anything in the contract is overruled by another law, that the rest of the contract remains in force.

  32. Re:under the DMCA any antivirus software can get s by NormalVisual · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not only does it continue the same, but the company usually looks at whatever fine they received as an additional cost of doing business, and then just passes it along to the customer. Therefore, the *customer* is who actually pays for the company's transgressions.

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  33. Re:All DRM is rootkit by cheekyjohnson · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I dislike DRM, but will defend a software company's right to encrypt their software, and even allow them to require an Internet connection to "unlock/decrypt" that software so that it can be used.

    I would too. But I would also defend the right of people to modify their copy of the software to remove said DRM and even distribute cracks for it.

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  34. Re:under the DMCA any antivirus software can get s by TheLink · · Score: 3, Funny

    By replying here or anywhere else in this forum you agree to:
    1) give me all your money, assets and all future earnings and assets.
    2) whenever there is a full moon, stand in a public area on one foot and howl at the moon.
    3) Say "boop" every 87.24 minutes.

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  35. Re:under the DMCA any antivirus software can get s by mcgrew · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Actually they were sued by several state's attorneys, and settled. Personally, as a victim of XCP (I didn't agree to their god damned eula, my daughter installed it, never imagining that a big respected company would deliberately install MALWARE) I'd like to meet Sony's President in Felbers' beer garden and beat him to death with a two by four. I'm still pissed, and it's almost been ten years. I will never EVER be stupid enough to buy another Sony product. I want the company broken up and its board of directors impoverished. Nothing's too bad for those evil sociopaths. Cancer and AIDS are too good for 'em.

    A rootkit is MALWARE. The president of Sony should have gone to prison, and the President of Ubisoft should, too. If I did to Sony what Sony did to me, you can bet your ass I'd go to prison. But it's OK for the 1% to fuck over the 99% any way they want, but if you mess with them, well, you're screwed.

    And you stupid people should quit buying their damned games! Jesus, stop letting these assholes take advantage of you! You would buy from a company that deliberately installs malware on their customers' computers??? How goddamned stupid can you get????

  36. Re:under the DMCA any antivirus software can get s by Khyber · · Score: 3, Insightful

    EULAs are not tested very well in court, and that's a 7th circuit decision. California is in the 9th circuit. 7th circuit might be REFERENCED but in the 9th circuit EULAs have been found null and void (try my legal battle with EA over the Spore DRM, which is why EA settled and FAST.)

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  37. Re:under the DMCA any antivirus software can get s by Luckyo · · Score: 3, Informative

    As we have seen, US isn't the world and it's EU that's currently championing consumer rights in the Western world. And in here, you can't waive rights through a simple click-through quite as easily. In many cases, you cannot waive them at all.

    The fact that Ubi rushed to fix the problem so fast tells you just how risky someone high up thought this is.

  38. Re:under the DMCA any antivirus software can get s by Hatta · · Score: 5, Informative

    Which is a perfect example of how the rich and powerful live by a different set of laws. If I put a root kit on Sony's computer, you'd better believe I'd have felony charges filed against me. If Sony puts a root kit on my computer, all they have to do is pay off some state AGs.

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  39. Re:under the DMCA any antivirus software can get s by hairyfeet · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I don't kn ow about the other McGrew but I haven't bought a single Ubisoft title since they started including extra DRM crap and always online garbage instead of just using Steam. In fact I came THIS close to buying a good $75 worth of games on the Steam sale...until I saw it was Ubisoft and their extra bullshit and instead gave it to other companies.

    I'll buy Steam, i'll buy games that have GFWL (although I won't buy from GFWL, MSFT still can't design a UI for games for shit and I hate the way it keeps trying to sell me Xbox games) but I won't be buying from any company that piles on the DRM and that goes for my friends and family. Just talking to them on Steam chat there was a good couple of grand that would have been spent on game packs that would have went to Ubisoft that instead went to other companies. Its not much in the grand scheme of things but at least our systems run stable and doesn't have backdoors you could drive a truck through.

    BTW OT but for all those that have recently switched to X64 or haven't ran into this problem yet? A little word of warning...avoid older games that have DRM like Starforce and SecuROM on them! The older DRM didn't recognize 64 bit and would try to jam a 32bit kernel hook into a 64 bit kernel with disastrous results and the uninstaller they host on their website? DOES NOT WORK ON X64. So if you don't dual boot so you have an uninfected OS to work from its a royal bitch getting it cleaned up and will make your system as unstable as Win9x which is why I ended up going Steam.

    I'd love to hear from those with exp with Ubisoft DRM as I've found those that jam in deep level hooks like that tend to make things more than a little unstable. If you've installed a Ubi game and are experiencing hangs, lock ups, BSODs, weird errors, you might want to remove the DRM and see if that clears it up, because you'd be surprised how many times I've seen machines at the shop that were "infected/broken/crashing" that turned out to be a shittily written DRM hosing the system. The only "nice" thing I can say about the non Steam DRMs is they don't seem to burn out drives like the old Starforce did, but that's like saying "well at least it just shat on the bed instead of the floor".

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  40. Maybe they'll actually get sued this time... by Anachragnome · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Maybe they'll actually get sued this time...

    I play Everquest 2 on this machine, and look what I just found (installed yesterday). Firefox never informed me that it was being installed.

    FF - HKLM\Software\MozillaPlugins\@soe.sony.com/installer,version=1.0.3: C:\Documents and Settings\owner\Application Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\5kpvldeq.default\extensions\{000F1EA4-5E08-4564-A29B-29076F63A37A}\plugins\npsoe.dll ()

    In the Firefox browser Add-on pane it is listed as SOE Web Installer 1.0.3.171. It can be disabled, but I have not attempted to remove it yet. I want to keep it around while I figure out what it is doing. A web-search is inconclusive as it appears to have just been released, although I did find several links to a "test page" that belongs to Sony that instantly tries to install said plug-in. No-script blocked these attempts, so I have to assume it was served to me via the EQ2 GAME updating system. If so, complete bullshit.

    Again, I never got any sort of plug-in install warning when running Firefox, and I have my browser warning settings at maximum verbosity. This plug-in was just "there".

    1. Re:Maybe they'll actually get sued this time... by Anachragnome · · Score: 3, Informative

      Verified that the SOE Web Installer plug-in for Firefox is installed by the Everquest 2 Updater (I'm guessing their other games will install it as well).

      Verified by updating the game (my wife hadn't updater her machine yet) with Firefox open-- Game Updater hung until I closed down Firefox--Plug-in is installed once Game updater was finished. I made sure it was NOT installed before updating the game.

      Much like the music CDs, I guess Sony cannot be trusted even after a class-action for doing the same sort of shit.

    2. Re:Maybe they'll actually get sued this time... by Anachragnome · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Update, if anyone cares.

      You can uninstall the plug-in, SOE Web Installer, by using the provided "Uninstaller" you get at the same webpage that installs it.

      Or, you can do what I did. Manually uninstall the game then spend 2 hours scouring out the 67 registry entries the "uninstaller" left behind. (The game uninstaller didn't actually remove a single file...not a single one. The plug-in uninstaller simply appeared to remove the plug-in from the control panel--all of the registry entries remained. CCleaner only found four of the 67 I removed.)

      That shit is pure rootkit. Considering you can't even firewall out the outbound data without also firewalling your browser, this one is worse then the Sony/BMG rootkit. I've had to remove both and this one was spread all over the damn place, with redundant registry entries everywhere.

      Never again, Sony, will any of your products enter this household.

  41. Re:under the DMCA any antivirus software can get s by rtb61 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You have to be careful about what you consider to be waiving your rights ie. I wave my rights, sorry changed my mind, waived them again, changed my mind again, waived, not waived, waived, mine again.

    Waiving your rights means pretty much nothing because the very second you claim them back, they return with full force of the law, constitutional and criminal law both of which out weigh contract law. There is no legal condition of contract that can prevent you from reclaiming your rights, at any time you choose.

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