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Is Your Neighbor a Democrat? There's an App For That

theodp writes "ProPublica's Lois Beckett reports that the Obama for America campaign's new mobile app is raising privacy concerns with its Google map that recognizes one's current location, marks nearby Democratic households with small blue flags, and displays the first name, age and gender of the voter or voters who live there (e.g.,'Lori C., 58 F, Democrat'). Asked about the privacy aspects of the new app, a spokesperson for the Obama campaign wrote that 'anyone familiar with the political process in America knows this information about registered voters is available and easily accessible to the public.' Harvard law prof Jonathan Zittrain said the Obama app does represent a significant shift. While voter data has been 'technically public,' it is usually accessed only by political campaigns and companies that sell consumer data. 'Much of our feelings around privacy are driven by what you might call status-quo-ism,' Zittrain added, 'so many people may feel that the app is creepy simply because it represents something new.'"

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  1. A good reason to go independent by FreeUser · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It is creepy, and a good reason not to register as a member of either party...no matter how much you may want to vote in the primaries.

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    1. Re:A good reason to go independent by fustakrakich · · Score: 5, Funny

      Mine just say, "Get off!"

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    2. Re:A good reason to go independent by KingSkippus · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Creepy or not, it's not new. In the presidential election of 2004, I remember seeing a web site mentioned in an article where you could go and look up who gave how much to which campaigns for any address. I remember wondering how many people know that the information was so readily available. If anything, this will be a good thing in educating people how easy the information is to access.

    3. Re:A good reason to go independent by jhoegl · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, why would you all care if someone knew what party you registered with.
      If you are ashamed of your party... change?
      If you are scared of others, what part of that is freedom?
      Stand up for yourself...

    4. Re:A good reason to go independent by sumdumass · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't know. I guess when you have democrat mayors so easily making statements of their intentions to use the government and public resources around them to economically harm a corporation because of free of speech by the CEO of a company made in a personal manner, you tend to think there are some people who will use information they do not agree with against you in ways that are not only unethical but illegal as well.

      You are right, what part of freedom is that? But we were reminded recently of it so it is a concern.

    5. Re:A good reason to go independent by sumdumass · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So you equate using government punishing free speech as the same as government encouraging actions it agrees with?

      Let me tell you the difference, both is free speech, but the constitution prohibits the government from denying it.

    6. Re:A good reason to go independent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As a non-USAian, I've never understood why you have to "register" with a particular party. This seems like it just opens the door for all kinds of election fraud and manipulation.

      Why is it that you can't just go down the polls and put a check mark beside whatever candidate you want?

    7. Re:A good reason to go independent by crymeph0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The organizer of Chick-Fil-A appreciation day, Mike Huckabee, is a former, not current governor. I'm not sure if any active governors endorsed Chick-Fil-A appreciation day. But I'm not aware that any politicians expressing support for Chick-Fil-A were implying that they would spend government resources supporting Chick-Fil-A, e.g. by catering their department lunches exclusively from Chick-Fil-A. Several of the mayors who have spoken out against Chick-Fil-A, however, at least strongly implied, if not directly threatened, to use government resources to punish Chick-Fil-A for its president's personal opinion, by denying permits for new store locations, etc. Those opposed to the views of Chick-Fil-A's president have every right to protest and boycott, and the mayors would have been well within their authority to denounce the views of Mr. Cathy, including endorsing boycotts by private citizens, but using tools of government to punish individuals or corporations is not acceptable or legal. For what it's worth, I voted against a recent constitutional amendment in North Carolina that prohibits gay marriage, and disagree very strongly with Mr. Cathy's apocalyptic viewpoint on the issue, but I am even more firmly opposed to the government rewarding or punishing points of view.

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    8. Re:A good reason to go independent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      You don't have to register for any party, because you can select independent. You have to register with a party if you want to vote in their private elections. The primaries aren't official government election. They're elections held by the parties to see who will represent them in the official elections. Some of them don't require you to register, but most do.

    9. Re:A good reason to go independent by BakaHoushi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm in agreement here.

      I think Chick-Fil-A's president is an ignorant blowhard. However, he is entitled to the right to be an ignorant blowhard. The mayor can call him an ignorant blowhard and could even attend a "Chick-Fil-A's President Is An Ignorant Blowhard Parade" if he so chose.

      But the second he threatens to use government resources to reprimand him? That's over the line.

      However, I'd also like to point out that he is one man. I do not appreciate a lot of the comments I've noticed that imply everyone who disagrees with this man somehow must also endorse the mayor's intended sanctions. This ignorant display of identity politics needs to stop. It pops up in nearly every debate. Usually in the form of "A random idiot who belongs in Group X believes Something Stupid Y. Therefore, everyone who is a member of Group X believes Something Stupid Y."

    10. Re:A good reason to go independent by ArcherB · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Chick-Fil-A wasn't attacked because of the CEO's political opinions, it was attacked because of their donations to hate groups, particularly the one that is pushing quite successfully for Uganda to make homosexuality a capital crime.

      Really? Then why did they start protesting only after Cathy made his comment? And if the uproar was over donations made by Chick-Fil-A, then maybe you should notify CNN and every other news outlet that thinks this is about what Cathy said. Here is a quote from a CNN story:

      The controversy came about after an interview with the fast food restaurant chain's president and COO, Dan Cathy, appeared in The Baptist Press on July 16 and he weighed in with his views on family.

      "We are very much supportive of the family -- the biblical definition of the family unit," Cathy said. "We are a family-owned business, a family-led business, and we are married to our first wives. We give God thanks for that."

      Strange. No mention of Uganda at all.

      Oh, and the whole Uganda story is bullshit anyway.

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    11. Re:A good reason to go independent by ArcherB · · Score: 5, Informative

      Or you might be scared of right wing domestic terrorists murdering you... as just happened to some Sikh's today

      You mean like the right winger that shot Gabrielle Giffords, the one that flew the plane into the IRS building in Austin or the one that just shot up a Batman movie.

      Oh, right! None of those guys were right wingers, but they were all reported to be, just like you are trying to report this guy to be.

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    12. Re:A good reason to go independent by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Informative

      The difference is that party membership in the UK is just as private as being a member of any other group - for good reason, the early members of the labour movement were harassed and arrested. Making the membership records public makes any number of abuses easy. There was a lot of furore last year when the BNP membership list was made public, for example. Membership lists are also now covered by EU and UK data protection legislation, so the party must ensure that they are not shared with other companies without explicit permission of the individual. The 'usually accessed only by political campaigns and companies that sell consumer data' bit of the summary would be completely illegal in the UK.

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    13. Re:A good reason to go independent by sumdumass · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If they ban only the ones who practice constitutionally protected rights, I am equally outraged.

      You see, the difference between banning strip clubs in general and only "Crazy Jack's lady emporium" is that in one, it is an across the board ban based on community standard or whatever they are using to justify the ban not related to the expression of first amendment rights, the other is singling a specific business out because of first amendment expression and religious freedom.

      Without this distinction, then any government entity could ban or use the public infrastructure to interfere with the business of anyone who supports another candidate for office or a position that the political officer doesn't like. Would you find it equally tolerable if the mayor of New York banned Amazon or Starbucks (amazon's founder donates 2.5 million to defend Washington's gay marriage law, Starbucks says on their web page they support gay marriage and some are trying to create a gay starbucks appreciation day) from doing business there because they support rewriting marriage laws to allow gays to marry? That's a more appropriate comparison to what these mayors are doing and it is a matter of the first amendment and a government punishing specific companies based on their or their owner's expression of it. It is simply wrong whether you agree on the message or not.

      Alcohol sales is a bit different because the repeal of prohibition specifically gives the states explicit control over alcohol which would allow them to limit the amount of bars and or times alcohol sales could happen in certain areas.

    14. Re:A good reason to go independent by davester666 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "While voter data has been 'technically public,' it is usually accessed only by political campaigns and companies that sell consumer data. "

      Why is it automatically considered not a privacy issue if your information is sold?

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    15. Re:A good reason to go independent by GNious · · Score: 4, Funny

      So, republican, Texan or both ...

    16. Re:A good reason to go independent by sumdumass · · Score: 4, Informative

      is your google finger broke or something? the mayor of boston said he was going to stop a fast food chain from expanding in boston, the mayor of Chicago said the same chain didn't fit in have the same values as Chicago while one if his alderman lackies said he was intentionally blocking the opening of a new restaurant in his district. The mayor of san fransycso made comment implying he was going to pull the same crap.

      If you don't know what is happening, perhaps you shouldn't be commenting?

    17. Re:A good reason to go independent by TFAFalcon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So why are public funds spent on primary elections, when they are held by private clubs?

    18. Re:A good reason to go independent by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 5, Informative

      Or Republicans for that matter. A few years ago Democrats requested a list of people who signed a petition to get something on the ballot. Their admitted intent was to hassle and intimidate these people.

      The Supreme Court upheld the request, as that is technically public information, but expressed geat concern over gros. That's a hint to Congress that they maybe might wanna do something about it.

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    19. Re:A good reason to go independent by AngryDeuce · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yeah, why would you all care if someone knew what party you registered with.

      You know, I didn't used to care. Then recall season hit here in Wisconsin, and happy groups like this started popping up on Facebook, not to mention tons of veiled threats online (I received plenty just commenting on Madison.com during the height of the circulation)...and even a few open ones. Then, of course, the employers started getting harassed over their employees having signed the recall petitions and shit like this started happening.

      While I'm not afraid of those people when it comes to violence against me (they're largely trailer park living, welfare collecting, hypocritical cowards), when those signatures were released I was definitely worried about repercussions in the workplace. How do you prove you were terminated in response to political ideology? Even if you could prove it, political affiliation is not considered a protected class.

      Maybe if you'd lived up here in Wisconsin over the last year you would understand better why shit like this being made public could intimidate some people.

    20. Re:A good reason to go independent by jbolden · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's not public. It's only public because the dems disclosed it. You can't tell who is and is not registered republican in that way.

      Yes you can. You can go down to your local office and get the voter registration rolls for your town, including Republicans anytime you want. This information is legally public. It is not private and then disclosed.

    21. Re:A good reason to go independent by jbolden · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Because they aren't fully private. Smith v. Allwright held that primaries because they have substantial impact on the governance of the United States are subject to public regulation. In this particular case the concern was that the Democratic party of Texas could not exclude blacks.

    22. Re:A good reason to go independent by Ly4 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Careful - that's a dangerously slippery slope. What if the company donated to planned parenthood? What if the mayor banned atheists from owning businesses?

      In short, what about the first amendment?

      Glenn Greenwald discussed this at length: http://www.salon.com/2012/07/30/free_speech_and_donations/

    23. Re:A good reason to go independent by BakaHoushi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The problem is that other members are NOT responsible for what he said. Only he is. If tomorrow someone in a group I belong to says that he thinks all children everywhere should be beaten non-stop to build character, I don't need to publicly disagree with him. In fact, the only way you should hold his opinion against me is if I publicly pledge support for it. This is especially true when you consider that so many stupid things are said every day by all sides that if you had to apologize for every one said on your side, you'd never get to do anything else.

      The real issue here is that, first of all, besides political parties not meaning much, "groups" like liberals, progressives, conservatives, radical religious nutjobs have very vague and subjective definitions, at least as far as our common usage of it. Many people hold views that could be regarded as a part of all of those. So who gets to decide what groups I belong to? I'm an atheist, but I'm sure some would define me as a religious nut because of that, or assume that means I agree with other atheists who say religion should be banned.

    24. Re:A good reason to go independent by ganjadude · · Score: 4, Informative

      pretty much. Once they were put in their place for not respecting the first amendment, they couldnt just stop. So they dug deeper and tried to find some reason to justify their hate.

      the only hate I have seen, has been coming from those who disagree with mr cathy

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    25. Re:A good reason to go independent by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you live deep in red territory, you neighbor for years who is normally a good and decent guys, however you just kinda nod your head when he goes on his political ramble. Now see you are part of the party he really hates, you may be outcast from the community.

      You may not be scared of the person, however you life just got a little more difficult for something you considered a minor ideology difference.

      We all have our beliefs and values, some of them we just kinda want to keep private from others, not that you are embarrassed of it, but because it can create tension where it really isn't that big of a deal, because other may have a stronger view on the topic then you really do.

         

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    26. Re:A good reason to go independent by TheSpoom · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you're asking a question like this, the subject is the federal government, and the answer eludes you, you can safely default to "corruption" and be right 99% of the time.

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  2. There's "available" and then there's "available" by sootman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    > Harvard law prof Jonathan Zittrain said the Obama
    > app does represent a significant shift. While voter
    > data has been 'technically public,' it is usually
    > accessed only by political campaigns and companies
    > that sell consumer data.

    "But the plans were on display..."
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    "With a flashlight."
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    "So had the stairs."
    "But look, you found the notice, didn't you?"
    "Yes," said Arthur, "yes I did. It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying 'Beware of the Leopard'."

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  3. Public shaming? Commies love it they use it a lot! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Right. Yes voter records are accessible to the public but so are criminal records and those
    of sex offenders. Even the wages and salaries of federal employees are available online
    for anyone curious enough btw.

    I wonder what a given neighborhood would look like if we overlaid sex offenders and
    criminal records with Obama voters. This is entirely feasible and entirely legal as well.

    But yes for everybody else who didn't have the misfortune of living 30 years in a communist
    country, commies love to use peer pressure. Right now they're planning to show who is
    using how much electricity in a given neighborhood and giving discounts if _everybody_
    reduces their energy use in a street. Yes, if only one neighbor exceeds the set quota
    everybody 'loses' and everybody will know who is 'responsible'. Expect your neighbors
    to come to your door and bitch at you.

  4. Re:Should be interesting by FrostDust · · Score: 3, Informative

    It appears your hunch isn't that far off from reality:

    SCOTUS Rules Petiton Signatures Are Public Record.

  5. This replaces lower-tech methods by dkleinsc · · Score: 4, Funny

    The previous method, back in the days before all this social networking stuff: Republicans tend to keep their shades drawn, even though they really don't have anything that would be worth hiding. Democrats ought to draw their shades, but don't.

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  6. So.. by Severus+Snape · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This data is not 'creepy' when company's are using this data privately for profit, however when it's expressed publicly in a not-for-profit way it's a privacy concern. God bless America.

    1. Re:So.. by TubeSteak · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This data is not 'creepy' when company's are using this data privately for profit, however when it's expressed publicly in a not-for-profit way it's a privacy concern. God bless America.

      How many of your nearest thousand neighbors have you shared your political affiliation with?
      That's what this does and that's why people find it creepy.

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  7. Re:Public shaming? Commies love it they use it a l by Darkness404 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Such are the flaws of collectivism.

    What I find is interesting is that this is Obama's official campaign app and not some third-party "lets see what we can do with data" app.

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  8. My new app... by multiben · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...shows the private addresses of all politicians with a range of little icons over their houses showing what kind of scandals they have been involved with and what organisations they have been members of.

    1. Re:My new app... by AHuxley · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If only we had a "Make this" mod option :)

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    2. Re:My new app... by argStyopa · · Score: 3, Funny

      That would be great, but my ipad only has 16gig of RAM, not nearly enough to handle that sort of data flow.

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  9. Oh heck, I already know I'm in blue territory by sandytaru · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What this may do is surprise a lot of people, who are actually secret liberals but pretend to be right-wing to avoid confrontations. (My husband does this with his parents. They're as tea party as it comes.) If people see they're not so alone, maybe they won't be so ashamed... Then again, if they see a wall of solid red around them, maybe they'll move.

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  10. And once again by kilodelta · · Score: 3, Informative

    They act as though IOS is the only platform. I searched on Google Play (Stupid name btw, Market was much better!) and no such app exists for Android.

  11. Choicepoint, Florida Voting File by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    This database been used by Choicepoint for years for Gerrymandering. When you read that a GOP mob will be challenging black voters in district X, it's because Choicepoint has worked out that district X is the best chance of swinging the vote by barring black voters. Ethnicity they mine from one database, the voting preference from this database.

    Remember the voter cleansing list? Crossed referenced with Choicepoint (DBT as it was then). The list of mostly Democrats purged from the Florida electoral roll for having similar names to convicted felons in other states. Where do you think they got the list of Democrats from to filter by??

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_Central_Voter_File

    This data should be private, perhaps showing people the public data about them will finally help it be kept private.

    Who you vote for is your business, and nobody elses.

  12. One more nail by chicago_scott · · Score: 4, Informative

    Yet another way Democrats and Republicans have devised to drive voters to register (and vote) as independents. Let's hope this trend keeps up!

  13. precedent by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Before we get too excited about this, we would do well to remember that it wasn't until the 1800's that we started having anonymous voting.

    When you voted for any of the first several presidents, you went into a big room and held up your hand. There was zero voter fraud then (as now).

    Secret ballots and anonymity in the electoral process was not part of the original system in the US. The founders didn't see the need, apparently. But counting the votes was always taken very seriously, with representatives from both parties involved. (This was before the innovation of black box computer voting outsourced to Republicans. Before Ken Blackwell. Before 2000).

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  14. Re:Public shaming? Commies love it they use it a l by fm6 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Collectivism? Why is everything that the right doesn't like is assumed to come from the mind of Karl Marx? If your neighborhood watch goes around noting the license plates of guys who cruise for hookers, is that collectivism?

    Social morality has always had an element of peer pressure and groupthink. That's as true for right wing value systems and left wing ones.

  15. Re:Actually a Good Thing by Mr.+Underbridge · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You can't simultaneously thing wikileaks and government transparency are good things and this is a bad thing

    The hell I can't. Government should be transparent, not people.

    Also, there's a similar analogy to the difference between a six-shot revolver and an automatic weapon. The balance between openness and privacy was struck when the data was hard to get. Now that it's so easy to get en masse, that balance needs to be re-struck.

  16. Come on, people! by fm6 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If your opinions are that private, WTF are you doing on Slashdot?

  17. A problem of Vision by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If all you see is red and blue, I'd say it's time to get new glasses, metaphorically speaking...

    If you start hating someone just because of one thing they believe, then the only person that has a real problem is you.

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  18. Another example of Supposed Privacy by Altanar · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This is just another example of tech burning away the illusion of privacy. It isn't taking away privacy from people; it's just another graphic example of letting people see what kind of information that is and always has been freely available to anyone who wants it. Which is worse? Not knowing what people know about you or knowing very well what people can know about you? It might be scary for some, but I'll *always* choose the latter.

  19. You can by Quila · · Score: 3, Informative

    The two parties own our political process. They make it difficult for anyone but them to get on the ballot. They even have "straight ticket" checkboxes on ballots so you don't have to go through the trouble of voting for individuals based on their qualifications, but simply vote for every Democrat or Republican on the ballot.

    But in the end, you can vote for whoever you want to vote for in the general election.

    The biggest reason for the party registration is that most states don't allow you to vote in a party's primary unless you're registered to a party, and a person registered for one party can't vote in another party's primary (vote for the weakest candidate). Yes, that's another way the two parties have owned our system: The government actually runs and pays for their primary elections when it should be their own business who they put up for election, and entirely with their own money.

    1. Re:You can by jbolden · · Score: 5, Informative

      That was the argument of the Texas Democratic party in Smith v. Allwright. That it was a private event and therefore they had every right not to allow blacks to participate. The supreme court found that primaries are a compelling part of the American electoral system and therefore not entirely private matters.

  20. There's lots of juicy data out there... by stomv · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Voter reg data includes not just brief biological data [first, middle, last, address, DOB, sometimes telephone, date registered, political affiliation, the elections in which the person voted, which were absentee], but then state census data contains lots of other good stuff [first, middle, last, maiden, address, sometimes telephone, occupation as person reports it, head of household status, etc] and then if the person is a homeowner, you use the assessment database [date home purchased, assessed value each year, number of bedrooms, bathrooms, condition of each, any co-owners]. Then you can throw in the facebook, the google, the linkedin.

    My concern: even private citizens like myself who know of and access this data don't flaunt it. I don't make it obvious to a neighbor that I know she votes in all Democratic primaries or only votes in November 0 mod 4 elections. I don't talk about her property tax bill either. Some people with this app will play it poorly because they will not understand that even the data is out there in the public, it is still impolite to treat it as common knowledge.