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Poll Finds Americans Think the TSA Is 'Doing a Good Job'

OverTheGeicoE writes "Why is it that airport security never seems to change in the United States? Perhaps it's because most Americans think the TSA is doing a 'good job,' according to a surprise Gallup poll, allegedly commissioned by no one but the kind editors at Gallup. The poll found that 54% of Americans believe the TSA is doing a good or excellent job, and that 57% have a good or excellent opinion of the agency. So why all the criticism? According to the article, criticism of the TSA comes primarily from 'Internet sites, where reporting standards are generally not at the same level as newspapers, where reporters are taught to consider what is told to them with skepticism and to seek responses to charges.' Furthermore, 'the TSA is put into a difficult situation when such charges are posted with little or no fact checking by reporters.' Other sources, of course, have different interpretations of Gallup's results, including questions about whether the poll was biased. If Americans secretly do love the TSA, that could explain why the recent whitehouse.gov petition failed to gather enough signatures for a 'response.' In fact, you'll find so little information about the petition remains on whitehouse.gov that you'll wonder if my link is correct. And these are not the droids you're looking for. Move along."

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  1. Real reason by gander666 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Most of the people either don't travel by air, or travel very infrequently. Those of us who are road warriors are vastly more likely to hate the TSA with vehemence.

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    1. Re:Real reason by kthreadd · · Score: 5, Funny

      So you're saying TSA don't do a good job?
      Then tell me how many buildings terrorists have flown airplanes into recently. Name one!

    2. Re:Real reason by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How many terrorists has the TSA caught?

      If the number is large, then your question is relevant. Otherwise they are the magic rock that keeps the tigers away.

    3. Re:Real reason by thelexx · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Unlike you, for whom the threat of a jackboot on your neck for trying to go about your business as a free citizen has become comfortable.

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    4. Re:Real reason by Baloroth · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So you're saying TSA don't do a good job? Then tell me how many buildings terrorists have flown airplanes into recently. Name one!

      Oh no the TSA has done an excellent job. Mind, their job has very little to do with terrorists or safety, and everything to do with making Americans feel safe (with a nice side order of funneling money to certain congress/senatorial districts), and they have done a quite good job at that. After all, very few people want a government that looks like it isn't doing anything (Democrat or Republican), no matter what it actually should be, or is, doing.

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    5. Re:Real reason by houstonbofh · · Score: 5, Informative

      In Israel? Zero. And they do not have the TSA, and find them quite laughable. http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/insideisrael/2010/November/Israeli-Security-Expert-TSA-Procedures-Hysterical/

    6. Re:Real reason by houstonbofh · · Score: 5, Informative

      Up though 99;
      1) The wands and metal detectors did not irradiate you.
      2) You did not have to undress at all.
      3) You were never grouped.
      4) Your "shaving kit" could include after shave.
      5) You could bring a beverage.
      6) You could arrive at the airport 15 minutes before departure and still make your flight.

    7. Re:Real reason by Daniel_Staal · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, the TSA's job is to make Americans think they should feel safe, while actually making them feel less safe (by making sure they are aware of the 'danger'), thereby justifying the government to spend more money on safety against terrorists.

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    8. Re:Real reason by mr1911 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I've traveled a fair amount and have had no issues with the TSA.

      Well, certain individuals like to be used for sex in prison, but that doesn't mean raping everyone else is OK.

      The TSA does not increase security. They are so busy looking for "oversize" 4oz bottles of shampoo that commonly show up that they miss guns that rarely show up. They are so busy patting down grandmas and children there is no time to evaluate those that may pose a threat.

      It is OK to admit that the TSA makes you feel better because they are "doing something". However, it is completely false to believe they are doing anything useful.

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    9. Re:Real reason by cpu6502 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I think the real reason is because people don't watch the news (except NBC, etc which pretends everything is just fine & dandy). People are often shocked when I show them video or stories about elderly persons being stripped, or tackled by TSA, or sexually groped.

      Of course there's also the opposite reaction: People who read a story about a cop killing a person while he's sitting at home watching TV and they say, "The cops were just doing their job." They probably have the same dumbass view of the TSA..... where basically the cops/security agents can do no wrong. Immunity.

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    10. Re:Real reason by Grishnakh · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think the point is, the Israelis are (probably quite justifiably) rather paranoid, so they're an extreme case. So if they, of all people, think the TSA is a joke, then they really are a joke. If anyone is going to go to extremes for anti-terrorism security, it's the Israelis, so if you're doing something to avoid terrorism that the Israelis aren't doing, then you're going too far.

    11. Re:Real reason by gurps_npc · · Score: 5, Informative
      None. Not a single terrorist has been caught by the American TSA.

      There have been several that were known to be terrorists who, under a sting operation, the TSA were waiting for.

      But there has not been a SINGLE confirmed terrorist that the TSA did not know was a terrorist the day before they showed up, that the TSA caught.

      Of course, the TSA is a relatively new agency.

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    12. Re:Real reason by spire3661 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I remember when i was a kid, we would make fun of the Russians/Soviets because they had internal checkpoints, need for papers to travel, etc etc. It was a great source of pride for Americans to know they can travel freely, without the government watching over their shoulder. Im sorry you dont understand that.

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    13. Re:Real reason by cayenne8 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Oh, I get it. Your life (understandably) is so boring, drab, and uneventful that you convince yourself that you're living in a dystopian novel. You then go on the internet trying to convince anyone who isn't needlessly indignant that they should be, and if they arent, then SHEEPLE, blah blah blah. You guys crack me up.

      No, but I do remember (not that long ago mind you), that going to the airport was simple, not a hassle and not unpleasant.

      I remember the whole family going to the gates to see someone off, or waiting there for them when they got off the plane.

      I remember not having to go through a potentially dangerous (with multiple exposures) irradiating device....and I remember even before the metal detectors, although I don't mind those, they're quite non-intrusive.

      But yes, I remember not that long ago back, when you didn't have potential to be groped by a stranger, not having to take your fucking shoes off....etc. And for what? Tests of these measure have shown they aren't really effective, things are snuck on all the time in those tests.

      Why not do something simple that is effective...and not really intrusive?

      Why not go for simple metal detectors...and bomb sniffing dogs you walk past....and then, you don't have to search everyone, you can keep your fucking shoes on....and only secondarily search anyone that beeps the detector or sets off a dog response.

      I remember (not that long ago), about the only time you worried about a kid crying, was on the plane when the pressure would make their ears pop...not from some rubber gloved TSA agent feeling them up on their way to the gate....

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  2. Proof the system works! by CuteSteveJobs · · Score: 5, Insightful

    > Most Americans think the TSA is doing a 'good job,'

    Of course they do. That's the whole point of security theatre:

    Security theater: term that describes security countermeasures intended to provide the feeling of improved security while doing little or nothing to actually improve security. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_theater

  3. not that surprising to me by Trepidity · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I don't think it requires assuming the poll was biased or that "internet sites" are posting un-vetted charges. A simpler explanation is that, even if the TSA does suck, most Americans either don't know or don't care. In particular, a significant percentage of Americans don't fly regularly, and they tend to support whatever air-security measures some official claims are necessary. To them, something that sounds like security is good, and who cares if someone's inconvenienced, because it's not them anyway. For example, a 2010 poll found that x-ray scanners and new pat-down procedures were more popular among non-fliers:

    Among Americans who fly at least once a year, 58 percent support the new x-ray scanners, versus 70 percent of Americans who fly less often than that. Support for the new pat-down procedures is at 44 percent among fliers, meanwhile, versus 52 percent among those who do not fly regularly.

  4. 54% is LOW by gurps_npc · · Score: 5, Insightful
    If 54% think it's doing a 'good job', that means that 46% of Americans DON'T think it's doing a good job.

    Fifty four percent is incredibly bad performance - it's a failure at a high school test.

    What if I were to tell you that 55% of Americans think the IRS is doing a good job? It's certainly something I could believe - as the IRS audits less than 1% of Americans each year. Give something to compare it to. Otherwise, this is a puff article designed to make the TSA look good without any evidence WHATSOEVER.

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    1. Re:54% is LOW by Missing.Matter · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But is the TSA actively preventing a 9/11 style attack, or is a 9/11 style attack prevented by reinforced cockpit doors and general passenger awareness that following a hijacker's demands no longer leads to a safe landing? Seriously, what kind of terrorist post 9/11 is going to get on a plane with a box cutter and not be torn asunder by a mob of angry passengers?

      I traveled abroad for the first time recently to Japan. When I left for home, I didn't have to take off my shoes or my belt, didn't have to go through a full body scan, didn't have to be groped or fondled and generally humiliated. After we landed in LAX and I went through security again, I was standing around with a bunch of guys from my flight as we put on our belts and our shoes, generally redressing in the middle of a crowded airport terminal, and the one said to me "Welcome back to America." Indeed.

  5. I see nothing strange here by theRunicBard · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Most Americans think that evolution is controversial, that Algebra is too hard for them, that FOX is informative, and that the Earth revolves around Oprah. Indeed, nothing strange here. Move along.

  6. Re:advertisement by BigT · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sample question from the TSA survey:

    Do you think the TSA is:
    a) Doing an excellent job
    b) Doing a great job
    c) The best thing EVAR!
    d) The reason I hate America, children, and puppies.

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  7. HAHAHA! by TorrentFox · · Score: 5, Funny

    'Internet sites, where reporting standards are generally not at the same level as newspapers, where reporters are taught to consider what is told to them with skepticism and to seek responses to charges.'

    I haven't laughed so hard in months. Thank you, PR lackey, for brightening my day.

  8. Re:TSA does some good by Cyberax · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Pre-911 security would detect hand grenades just fine. And 911 hijackers used freaking boxcutters, not guns or grenades.

    And I have a boxcutter, scissors and a screwdriver in my backpack right now. They are never detected by airport's scanners because my backpack has a nice carbon plastic compartment that reduces the contrast of items within it. I've been flying with them for several years through tens of TSA theater checkpoints by now. So I'm "better armed" than a 9/11 hijacker all without trying to do it specifically.

  9. Real reason is it depends on how you phrase it by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The article has a significant bias that's expressed in the spin it puts on the result. Data showing 54% of Americans think the TSA does a "good or excellent job" is not "Americans secretly do love the TSA." It could just as accurately be summarized "Nearly half of Americans think TSA is not doing a good job."

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  10. Petitions by Hatta · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The petition failed to gain enough signatures because everyone knows that they won't get a real response from the administration. Case in point, there was a petition that got 75,000 signatures (3 times the threshold) where the President was asked to explain why Cannabis should not be regulated by alcohol. The response was written by the Drug Czar, and failed to mention alcohol once.

    This was the great hope for change we elected in 2008. This was what was supposed to be the most transparent administration in history. And he can't even answer a simple question about his policies honestly.

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  11. Re:TSA does some good by ibwolf · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why have would-be terrorists resorted to increasingly bizarre and ineffective weapons - the shoe bomb, underwear bomb, and chemical cocktail? If they thought they could, obviously they'd just bring some hand grenades, and you can be darn sure those would work every time.

    A lot of TSA criticism comes from people who want stringent security for "those people" but not for "us" - meaning white people, grannies, etc. But if you think about it for a few seconds you know where that leads.

    Personally I would scale back the TSA and the nekkid scans, but as a value tradeoff, knowing it would come at some cost to security.

    And planes were routinely hijacked with "hand grenades" prior to 9/11??? The simple truth is that pre 9/11 security measures were more than adequate to prevent a hijacker from bringing guns or powerful, easy to use explosives on board a plane. What they could do (and did) was bring smallish cutting implements (e.g. box cutters).

    The problem with 9/11 wasn't in what the hijackers brought on board, but that they changed the rules of airplane hijacking. Prior to 9/11, if your plane was hijacked, you cooperated. That was the best way to ensure that you would survive.

    The 9/11 hijackers changed the rules, but the passengers couldn't know that. On one of the four flight the passengers did learn this, sadly too late to prevent the takeover of the plane, but they did prevent the hijackers from killing more people on the ground.

    An attack like 9/11 could only ever work once. Now we have reinforced cockpit doors and passengers will not cooperate with hijackers. Any attempt to hijack a plane, without using firearms at a minimum, will be stopped by the passengers who will assume that the hijackers mean to crash the plane.

    All this means that the myriad of additional security nonsense on the ground is almost entirely security theater. Initially, this was mostly a case of ass covering (something needs to be done, this is something, ergo this must be done) but lately (as with the 'porno' scanners) this seems driven by a desire to line the pockets of private enterprise with taxpayer money.

    tl;dr It is possible to scale back the TSA without sacrificing actual security.

  12. You Don't Invalidate Basic Rights by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 5, Insightful

    With a popularity poll. A significant portion of that 54% of Americans, when read the Bill of Rights, believe you are describing an antithetical, Socialist manifesto.

    How can you judge if the TSA is "doing a good job", if you are among the 44% of Americans who are unable to define the Bill of Rights?

    I for one DO believe the TSA does a good job. That job is one of eroding fundamental protections of basic rights while enriching cronies.

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    1. Re:You Don't Invalidate Basic Rights by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 5, Interesting
      • Many more Americans remember that Michael Jackson sang "Beat It" than know that the Bill of Rights is part of the Constitution.
      • 60 percent of Americans can correctly identify the number of children in reality-TV show couple Jon and Kate Gosselin's household (eight), but more than one-third do not know the century in which the American Revolution took place (18th). Half of those surveyed believe the Civil War (1861-1865), Emancipation Proclamation (1863), or War of 1812 occurred before the American Revolution (1775-1783).
      • More than 50 percent of Americans surveyed wrongly attributed the quote, "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" to George Washington, Thomas Paine, or President Barack Obama, when it is in fact a quote from Karl Marx, author of "The Communist Manifesto."

      -- "83 Percent of U.S. Adults Fail Test on Nation's Founding"
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    2. Re:You Don't Invalidate Basic Rights by GigG · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I wonder what percentage of that 54% have ever flown on an airline and more specifically since the TSA took over security?

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    3. Re:You Don't Invalidate Basic Rights by bitingduck · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I wonder what percentage of that 54% have ever flown on an airline and more specifically since the TSA took over security?

      Hard to decide whether to mod or post...

      That's been my impression for quite a while now. If you fly with any regularity, the TSA looks like nothing more than security theater that just applies patch after patch every time someone is noticed to be trying to do something nefarious through one of their gaping security holes. I flew a lot both before and after sept 11, and have been either mid-trip or within a few days of a trip during a lot of the policy changes (e.g. only passengers past the security checkpoints, the 3 oz of fluid thing, underpants man, and more). They slap a patch on in reaction to an event, and while it looks like they're doing something, it really has no effect other than to increase cost and time involved, with no improvement in safety or security.

      A while ago I came to the conclusion that all of this stuff is some sort of weird proxy for people's fear of flying. If we were really concerned about terrorists then public places would look a whole lot different than they do. The reason we don't have more terrorist attacks has nothing to do with all the TSA stuff and everything to do with there just not being very many terrorists.

  13. EARLY-LIFE MIND CONTROL WORKS! by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Interestingly, younger Americans âoehave significantly more positive opinions of the TSA than those who are older,â Gallup said, noting that 67% of people between 18 and 29 rate the agency as excellent or good.

    "And that," put in the Director sententiously, "that is the secret of happiness and virtue - liking what you've got to do. All conditioning aims at that: making people like their inescapable social destiny."
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  14. Re:TSA does some good by acoustix · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Why have would-be terrorists resorted to increasingly bizarre and ineffective weapons - the shoe bomb, underwear bomb, and chemical cocktail?>

    And none of those were caught by the TSA. They were caught by civilians.

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  15. Re:TSA does some good by Richy_T · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've got news for you, while you're busy pointing at the evil, evil right wing, the usual suspects you vote for are busy implementing the same or worse.

    Time to get over this red-team/blue-team bullshit or you are part of the problem.