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Poll Finds Americans Think the TSA Is 'Doing a Good Job'
OverTheGeicoE writes "Why is it that airport security never seems to change in the United States? Perhaps it's because most Americans think the TSA is doing a 'good job,' according to a surprise Gallup poll, allegedly commissioned by no one but the kind editors at Gallup. The poll found that 54% of Americans believe the TSA is doing a good or excellent job, and that 57% have a good or excellent opinion of the agency. So why all the criticism? According to the article, criticism of the TSA comes primarily from 'Internet sites, where reporting standards are generally not at the same level as newspapers, where reporters are taught to consider what is told to them with skepticism and to seek responses to charges.' Furthermore, 'the TSA is put into a difficult situation when such charges are posted with little or no fact checking by reporters.' Other sources, of course, have different interpretations of Gallup's results, including questions about whether the poll was biased. If Americans secretly do love the TSA, that could explain why the recent whitehouse.gov petition failed to gather enough signatures for a 'response.' In fact, you'll find so little information about the petition remains on whitehouse.gov that you'll wonder if my link is correct. And these are not the droids you're looking for. Move along."
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Most of the people either don't travel by air, or travel very infrequently. Those of us who are road warriors are vastly more likely to hate the TSA with vehemence.
Suppose you were an idiot and suppose you were a member of Congress
how do you prove to potential clients that you can skew every public opinion survey?
release one saying TSA is loved!
> Most Americans think the TSA is doing a 'good job,'
Of course they do. That's the whole point of security theatre:
Security theater: term that describes security countermeasures intended to provide the feeling of improved security while doing little or nothing to actually improve security. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_theater
WTF.
This survey has got to be the biggest load of crap I have heard in a long time.
I don't think it requires assuming the poll was biased or that "internet sites" are posting un-vetted charges. A simpler explanation is that, even if the TSA does suck, most Americans either don't know or don't care. In particular, a significant percentage of Americans don't fly regularly, and they tend to support whatever air-security measures some official claims are necessary. To them, something that sounds like security is good, and who cares if someone's inconvenienced, because it's not them anyway. For example, a 2010 poll found that x-ray scanners and new pat-down procedures were more popular among non-fliers:
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A lot of TSA criticism comes from people who want stringent security for "those people" but not for "us" - meaning white people, grannies, etc. But if you think about it for a few seconds you know where that leads.
Personally I would scale back the TSA and the nekkid scans, but as a value tradeoff, knowing it would come at some cost to security.
Fifty four percent is incredibly bad performance - it's a failure at a high school test.
What if I were to tell you that 55% of Americans think the IRS is doing a good job? It's certainly something I could believe - as the IRS audits less than 1% of Americans each year. Give something to compare it to. Otherwise, this is a puff article designed to make the TSA look good without any evidence WHATSOEVER.
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Most Americans think that evolution is controversial, that Algebra is too hard for them, that FOX is informative, and that the Earth revolves around Oprah. Indeed, nothing strange here. Move along.
polls don't reflect, well, anything but the pollster's spin.
"If...you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning" - Catherine Aird
Surprising, I would have thought the number would be a little higher.
I wonder who paid for this survey? Because I'm sure it'll come out someday.... I started driving everywhere since 9-11 anyway. Saw the writing on the wall, etc. Gonna have to keep up the pressure re TSA, because frankly the TSA makes me feel very unsafe, simply because they even exist in the first place. And guess what, I happen to *live* in NY...
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'Internet sites, where reporting standards are generally not at the same level as newspapers, where reporters are taught to consider what is told to them with skepticism and to seek responses to charges.'
I haven't laughed so hard in months. Thank you, PR lackey, for brightening my day.
If 100% of people had said not effective then it would be taken as a need to increase TSA funding. So what the poll questions really boil down to: "I think the TSA is doing great", and "I think the TSA needs to be even stronger".
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It's bullshit. The poll is an outright conniving intentional lie. All the well known polling organizations are corrupt and involved in multiple conspiracies.
Anyone who believes this shit believes in the tooth fairy and Santa Clause, has bought the Brooklyn Bridge multiple times from the same scruffy guy in rags pushing a pram full of possessions down the street, denies that American elections are rigged, and really believes Hitler and the North Korean prick got 99% of the vote in their respective elections.
I accidentally left my sunglasses and jacket in one of those tubs that you put through the scanner last Christmas while rushing to a last minute flight after some genius wearing more chains than Mr. T snarled up the security queue for 30 minutes at a regional airport.
Upon returning a week later and checking in with TSA agents, I found out they had itemized and bagged my stuff and got both back to me in less than 15 minutes.
Not everywhere is Dulles.
And in related news billions of flies around the world prefer shit to honey, but I don't take their preference as a nutritional suggestion.
I do a fair bit of flying and while I don't particularly like the TSA, I don't hate them, either. They have a job I wouldn't care to have myself. They haven't made my life any worse than that of any other guy (or gal) in the line; I'd say I like them as much as I like the average cashier at WalMart.
From my experiences with TSA at a lot of different airports in this country, I would say they are doing their jobs as said jobs are prescribed to them. That, in a lot of cases, qualifies as a "good job". Not outstandingly good or bad, just "good".
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I'm always amazed by the long lines to get through security at large airports. They know how many people bought tickets, so why do they rarely seem to be prepared for the volume of people coming through?
The article has a significant bias that's expressed in the spin it puts on the result. Data showing 54% of Americans think the TSA does a "good or excellent job" is not "Americans secretly do love the TSA." It could just as accurately be summarized "Nearly half of Americans think TSA is not doing a good job."
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If they didn't screen for people who actually have flown commercially since 9/11, then they got a lot of ignorant people without any experience to base their opinion
If they didn't screen for people who had flown commercially before 9/11 and then had flown after 9/11, they got a lot of people without the experience of what it used to be like vs what it is like now
>> Poll Finds Americans Think the TSA Is 'Doing a Good Job'
I suspect they mean pole.
Why is it, if a poll shows an approval of over 50%, the media takes that to be overwhelming support? Taking into account that many polls are biased to provide the answer they are looking for, a narrow margin is not really something that major decisions should hinge upon.
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The petition failed to gain enough signatures because everyone knows that they won't get a real response from the administration. Case in point, there was a petition that got 75,000 signatures (3 times the threshold) where the President was asked to explain why Cannabis should not be regulated by alcohol. The response was written by the Drug Czar, and failed to mention alcohol once.
This was the great hope for change we elected in 2008. This was what was supposed to be the most transparent administration in history. And he can't even answer a simple question about his policies honestly.
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Look at the comments below any newspaper article criticising the TSA. Filled with comments along the lines of "Stop whining about security, I don't care if I have to strip nekkid, as long as the evil ragheads don't blow up my airplane". No concept of relative cost vs risk, no realisation of the fact that this is all theatre, no understanding of the loss of liberties involved. Even the previous head of the TSA (Kip Hawley) by now says that most of the scanners etc are useless, but Joe Sixpack, he reckons the security will keep him alive.
I wonder who at the TSA asked Gallup to do the poll. It's completely biased. Adding the word "job" makes the question very personal. I would describe the person who checks me out of the grocery store as "doing a good job", but if I later found out that it added 50% to my food cost, I'd think that I'd be better off without them and that the self checkout lane was fine. The biggest argument isn't about how the indivduals do their job at the TSA, or if the agency is good or bad. It's whether or not the TSA is effective or worth the cost.
Let's see the result of this poll.
Do you think that the TSA has been worth the $60,000,000,000 we have spent on it?
Or how about:
Do you think that it is fair that in this economy, 4000 people at the TSA headquarters make an average salary of $103,000?
And FEMA is doing a spectacular job preventing earthquakes and hurricanes this year...
I actually hadn't been to the US in the last couple of years, and reading about the whole new set of scanners, privacy violations, draconian attitude by the TSA, and some scandals, I actually was concerned about what the experience would be for myself and my family.
I have to admit, it was not a big deal. Flying from Toronto was painless and we went through the usual metal detectors there. The staff (usually grumpy Canadians working on behalf of the US) was okay. I found the Americans at Pearson airport tend to be quite friendly and professional. They represent the US well.
Flying out of the US (a SW Florida airport) was a breeze and fairly pleasant. I had to submit to one of the scanners, and my family went through the metal detector only as we have young children. The TSA staff was very friendly and quite accomodating. We even had one incident where my wife had left a water bottle full of liquid in her purse. They were nice about it, chatted with us and then ran it through the X-Ray again.
So it sounds that many of the complaints and scandals have forced the TSA to make changes. There's still a lot of security theatre in place and I think 9/11 will leave us with that forever unfortunately.
All in all, I'd say that the American airport security and customs staff were friendlier and more competent than their Canadian counterparts.
Of course I'm generalizing and being Caucasian, I'm sure my experience may differ from other folks.
I would like to see some evidence that the TSA is doing a horrible job and that the people who think otherwise are obviously deluded fools as the summary suggests.
Not saying that it's not, but I'm just a little bit suspicious that such hostility towards the TSA comes from the anecdotal evidence of few unnecessary searches of grannies and such and personal experiences of relatively minor inconvenience and not from a thorough and impartial analysis of the security procedures based on deep knowledge of what it takes to secure airports.
Negative moral value of force outweighs the positive value of good intentions.
I always love how its the "internet's" fault when there is criticism. The complaints aren't valid or worth consideration because the internet is just a wild uncontrolled forum where anything can be said. Unless it comes from the god of a journalist it doesn't count. Right.
I've always said English was my second language. Had Romeo and Juliet been written in C, I might have understood it.
I don't know a single person out of my entire family, friends or co-workers who think the TSA does a good job. There is something seriously wrong with this poll.
Taking guns away from the 99% gives the 1% 100% of the power.
Yesterday's article showed how it's done: Poll printed in Baskerville font!
Can you contact us at TSA?
We would like to discuss the possible acquisition of your rock.
We'd also like to know about possibility of mass production of aforementioned terrorist-repellent devices to secure all transport terminals once and for all.
Roast beef sandwiches: the NEW national security threat!
...how clueless most americans are.
I have this rock which repels tigers...
Some of us would like to see friends on other continents from time to time.
-- IANAL, this isn't legal advice, and definitely isn't legal advice for you. Also, Squee!
It's ironic that almost the exact same percentage of Americans sponge off, uh, work for the government or are paid as a contractor or supplier to the government.
If they are doing such a good job, then how did a man named Adam Savage manage to board the plane with a 12in blade...Accidentally - not even trying to hide it!
The inconsistency of their agents has to be the most annoying thing. In Dallas a few weeks ago they were uniformly polite and efficient. In Oklahoma City they tend to be pretty good as well. In Charlotte they like to pretend they are Gestapo agents and in In Fort Lauderdale they are crass and unobservant (had a new bottle of gel toothpaste in my carry-on that went unnoticed because they were too busy bitching about the phone charger and camera clumped together) in smaller airports they tend to fumble around a lot. I flew out of Washington National a few years ago with my 8 inch dive knife in my carry-on (by accident.)
I think TSA satisfaction would increase if the airlines hadn't turned the security checkpoint into a baggage checkpoint. The volume of luggage going through the system slows everything down and creates more hassle, which is communicated to the passengers. Flying is no longer a luxury in most cases, it's a necessity. As such the airlines really don't care about providing customer service, they only try to avoid liability. This touches everyone who participates in the system.
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Who the fuck are these people? And what the hell is wrong with them?!?!!?
No... i know we're morons in this country... but i still don't believe anyone supports the TSA.
This is some made up bullshit.
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120405/04390118385/tsa-security-theater-described-one-simple-infographic.shtml
You think that they are doing a good job? Many people beg to differ:
Adam Savage from Mythbusters: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqoiifBZD4E
Chidren in Wheelchairs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNO-AzPxS4U
Molested Women: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwvcpS5iLjI
Lactating Mothers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwvcpS5iLjI
Drug Dealers: http://articles.latimes.com/2012/apr/26/news/la-trb-tsa-drugs-20120426
TSA Agents: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgZZeBpZAnM
The TSA Itself: http://articles.cnn.com/2008-01-28/us/tsa.bombtest_1_airport-screeners-airport-security-fake-bombs?_s=PM:US
Exactly how many "Shoe Bombers", "Underwear Bombers","Chemical Terrorists", and "TSA Screeners" have they caught?
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half of americans do NOT think the TSA is doing a good job
It's not that they're not doing a "good job"--most interactions with them are fine. It's that they're doing the wrong job.
There are enough horror stories that they get a bad rap, sure. But the bigger point is that they are doing a job that it is stupid for us to be paying for. It inconveniences every traveller in the US and it does not make us significantly safer. Secure the cockpit doors and stop worrying about bombs--if you secure the cockpit doors, all they can do is blow up the plane, and they can blow up a bus so it's a ridiculous waste of money and time to be providing absurd security.
9/11 was (1) an attack that could only work once and (2) about flying the planes. Take away the ability to fly the planes, and the plane is no longer a particularly useful terror target, it's just a target.
Don't get me wrong--I'm happy that there are people working to make terrorist attacks on the US harder. I just don't believe that the TSA is a useful way to spend those resources.
-- IANAL, this isn't legal advice, and definitely isn't legal advice for you. Also, Squee!
With a popularity poll. A significant portion of that 54% of Americans, when read the Bill of Rights, believe you are describing an antithetical, Socialist manifesto.
How can you judge if the TSA is "doing a good job", if you are among the 44% of Americans who are unable to define the Bill of Rights?
I for one DO believe the TSA does a good job. That job is one of eroding fundamental protections of basic rights while enriching cronies.
"Flyin' in just a sweet place,
Never been known to fail..."
Average Joe: Why are you scattering around this yellow powder?
TSA: To repel the elephants...
Average Joe: But there's no elephants here!
TSA: Aha, you see, good powder!
Average Joe: Good job!
I'd be very interested to see a breakdown in these poll results by age. I would not be at all surprised to see younger, more Internet-connected respondents have a more negative view of the TSA, while the Fox News generation (average viewer age 65, average age for Bill O'Reilly viewers 71) tends toward a more positive view. We see the same thing with numerous other issues where pretty much everyone on sites like Slashdot agrees, but the actual politics seem to be lagging behind. For instance, 50% of Americans now favor legalizing marijuana according to recent Gallup Polls, but while 62% of people in the 18-29 age bracket are in favor, only 31% of senior citizens do. And those seniors vote at a MUCH higher rate than young people. This is why issues relevant to old people are discussed endlessly, while issues important to the young are simply ignored. It's why college funding keeps getting cut every year while Medicare and Social Security remain untouchable.
Get out there and vote this November! Even if it's just for the lesser of two evils, vote anyway. The only way this imbalance will be fixed is if young people start voting at the same rate as older Americans.
generally not at the same level as newspapers, where reporters are taught to consider what is told to them with skepticism
Bah ha ha ha ha ha! Good one!
The TSA is doing such a good job that they've also prevented hijackings and bombings in South America, Europe, Asia, Africa, Australia and Antarctica.
there are many competing models of evolution, there is much controversy about it among real scientists about mechanisms, species relationships, rate, etc.
In science, evolution is a controversial topic. so is the Standard Model, in physics. Even the real composition of water, in Chemistry (very interesting ion configurations of the hydrogen and oxygen are still be discovered and evidence for some debated.)
There's a reason Gallup's call centers are in Omaha, Lincoln, and Houston, and it's not just for the midwesterners' relative lack of accent.
In a recent Schneier article titled Court Orders TSA to Answer EPIC a menacing comment was left by what claimed to be 'Blogger Bob' from the TSA's blog. It may be and likely enough is a dupe, but seemed terribly appropriate for the TSA. I have pasted it below for your reading pleasure:
"I've been asked to respond to this post in order to clarify misunderstandings that some people may have.
The TSA properly exempted itself from the requirements of the Administrative Procedure Act and the Sunshine Act. The TSA granted itself the exemption for valid reasons that must remain classified for National Security reasons, so you'll have to trust us on that.
The TSA also had a valid grounds for respectfully refusing to comply with both court orders. The reasons are also classified for National Security reasons, so again you'll have to trust us the refusal was appropriate and necessary. But I can tell you that the decision was based on thorough analysis of the latest robust intelligence pertaining to the current threat environment.
In both cases, TSA Counsel determined that any form of notice and comment rulemaking regarding the deployment of AIT would be detrimental to National Security, based on the classified determinations I referenced above. TSA Counsel prepared a classified memorandum exempting the agency from notice and comment requirements. TSA Counsel believes that the National Security determinations set forth in the classified memorandum give the TSA full authority to disregard any court orders requiring notice and comment rulemaking.
You are, of course, free to sign the petition. But it will have no more effect than the lawsuit or the court order. And do be aware that pursuant to classified TSA procedures, any names on the petition will be forwarded to the Terrorist Screening Center for possible inclusion on appropriate watch lists.
Thank you for allowing me to address your concerns about this matter."
Posted by: Blogger Bob at August 2, 2012 6:39 PM
Perhaps the poll was conducted with a stick. But then again, we are a libidinous culture.
Forward! -- Emperor Norton, 2012
I think what you meant to say was:
Homer: Well, there's not a bear in sight. The Bear Patrol is sure doing its job.
Lisa: That's specious reasoning, Dad.
Homer: Thank you, sweetie.
Lisa: Dad, what if I were to tell you that this rock keeps away tigers.
Homer: Uh-huh, and how does it work?
Lisa: It doesn't work. It's just a stupid rock.
Homer: I see.
Lisa: But you don't see any tigers around, do you?
Homer: Lisa, I'd like to buy your rock.
The Editors at Gallup are pretty obvious in their authoritarian leanings when you listen to interviews. Their polls are likely good science, but their interpretations should almost always be ignored (unless you're authoritarian yourself). You can easily read the bias out of the comments here:
I admit that I can't tell who said that from the writeup, but I'm assuming it was gallup. Does anyone think that reporters actually do any fact checking anymore? Like at all? On the other hand, if you hit Bruce Schneier's site (or many others), you'll find actual experts telling you that the TSA is pretty much worthless and a giant waste of money.
It's ok, I figured it out though: The TSA is actually a jobs program. In a world where socialism is a curse word, the TSA is a surprisingly effective jobs program for a segment of society with no critical thinking skills or meaningful education. Neeners.
Imagine if you weren't allowed to use roads because a bus company complained about your driving 3 times. --skunkpussy
Too much ambiguity introduced through wording of questions, and target audience.
Interestingly, younger Americans âoehave significantly more positive opinions of the TSA than those who are older,â Gallup said, noting that 67% of people between 18 and 29 rate the agency as excellent or good.
"And that," put in the Director sententiously, "that is the secret of happiness and virtue - liking what you've got to do. All conditioning aims at that: making people like their inescapable social destiny."
-- Aldous Huxley, Brave New World, Ch. 1
"Flyin' in just a sweet place,
Never been known to fail..."
Apparently 54-57% of the American popluation is incredibly dumb and/or doesn't fly frequently
Too much ambiguity introduced by the target audience and types of questions asked.
"If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
Obama is a Muslim (18%), born in Ethiopia (25%), USA hasn't had any terrorism in the USA (32%), that the Bush tax cuts added less than a trillion to the deficit (33%), TSA is doing a good job.
Obama isn't a muslim, wasn't born is Ethopia and Bush has so far cost $7 trillion:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/infographics/us-national-debt
There have been several US terrorist attacks, the one single major attack 9-11 was because the President did nothing when his staff tried to get an action from him.
Propaganda works, the endless droning Fox news lies, people believe them. Tea Party candidates get elected on 'low tax' platforms, but then defend Bush's tax cuts for the rich. People believe the propaganda.
Have gnu, will travel.
Where was this poll even taken? Chances are the people who took it aren't the ones being molested in airports.
I suspect that the main reason the petition did not gain enough traction is that it required you to register on the site and hand over quite a bit of information on yourself. Let's see, you wish to criticize your overbearing government for intrusive procedures and all you need to do is tell them all about who and where you are? That won't scare away all of the people already concerned enough about their privacy to be worried about the TSA...
I do not belive "54% of Americans" have any significant experience with airline travel and are thus in no position to evaluate the TSA. Also, most people are stupid, but that doesn't make them correct.
Employees of the TSA?
Do you think the TSA is:
a) Doing an excellent job
b) I wish to be put on a "no fly" list
c) I request to be strip "searched" by Manny.
d) I invite the FBI visit my house.
e) b, c, and d.
Ever since I got this rock, no terrorist has taken over a U.S. domestic flight.
What's so fascinating about this, is that it not only attempts to inculcate into people's minds that TSA = good job (with a D- mark of 54%), but also any critique of TSA come only from internet websites with questionable reputation, mostly driven by conspiracy nuts is the logical conclusion.
The TSA does a good job AT WHAT?
Pollseter: "Do you think the TSA does a good job raping people's rights?"
Gomer Pyle: "Why yes ah do!"
Pollseter: "TSA does a good job...."
Seriously, does anyone believe these polls? I haven't talked to a SINGLE person who thinks the TSA is anything but bloated and useless.
I think they made this poll up, personally, and it's also statistics. I suspect either the poll is rigged or they're lying/twisting the truth....
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... http://science.slashdot.org/story/12/08/10/1537218/how-pictures-skew-our-judgment
I would read that as Israel approves of TSA methods; because I tend to believe exactly the opposite of anything any organization associated with Pat Robertson says. Until disputed by facts to the contrary.
with thunderous applause. Wait, did I just quote one of the three prequels? I am ashamed...but slightly less ashamed than the people who think the TSA is doing an excellent job should be.
about what others think... They're about what you think.
I only JUST started flying in August of last year. Flying was never an option growing up, but I'm a career where I'm sent to various places of the country a few times a year.
I've been through SNA, LAX, DFW, SAV, ORD, SFO, OAK, and DCA. I've had a pocket patted once and had the full search because I forgot a flash drive in a leg pocket in my cargo shorts. In both circumstances, I made light of the situation joked profusely with the investigating TSA agent, and went on my way with a smile.
Does that mean I like it? No. Would I prefer not being approached by two men with the assumption that I'm a criminal or terrorist? Yes. (But I do have experience growing up brown in Southern California.)
However, I understand that those "TSA Agents" are literally just local people with no particularly strong commitment to the TSA beyond doing their job sufficiently well so that they keep their jobs. The vast majority of them are just normal people doing the same tedious task over and over, not the jack-booted thugs many make them out to be.
Summary: The workers are just fine. The process seems unnecessary.
The margin for error in the poll is +/- 4%. So it could be indicating that half think the TSA is basically adequate or better, and the other half think the TSA is less than adequate.
Also, polls like that have a strong central tendency; if people don't have an opinion, they randomly choose something around the middle. 'Good' got 41% and 'fair' got 30%. Add in the 4% who admit they don't know, and 75% don't really care or haven't thought about it much.
That leaves 13% who ranked it 'excellent' and 12% who ranked it 'poor'. Plus or minus 4%, so it could be 17% 'like', 8% 'don't like' or 9% 'like' and 16% 'don't like'. But now you have such a small sample size that the margin for error is probably much, much larger.
In other words, this poll contains no information whatsoever, so you can continue to believe whatever you did before.
apparently 54% of Americans are below average intelligence.
fascinating...
OK, so if we parse this correctly, it more likely means 54% of Americans are dumber than a box of rocks.
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
And in related news, a Gallop poll found 54% of people have never been in an airport before.
...that you and your close friends and family are far more enlightened about reality than the average sheep (oh, sorry... I mean citizen).
I'm making that assumption partially based on your tagline. After all, Ron Paul is *so* darn popular, his own political party won't give him any speaking time at their convention in Tampa, FL! (Oh, they're letting his son, Rand, talk a little bit as a concession, mind you. But as most of us know who follow politics in any serious way, Rand's politics does NOT line up too neatly with Ron's.)
The TSA, AFLCIO, and the Sturmabteilung (SA)...... Ding, Ding, Ding, Their native language.....
Last time I checked a 54 grade is a failed one and means almost half of the users dont like the job they are doing. Most americans don't travel, the ones who do use cars or buses mostly so when they do use an airplane they dont have a comparision point.
However, I understand that those "TSA Agents" are literally just local people with no particularly strong commitment to the TSA beyond doing their job sufficiently well so that they keep their jobs.
No. "I was just doing my job!" isn't an excuse. It's never an excuse. I don't care if you were 'just doing your job' when you murdered that innocent family; that's unacceptable.
"I was just following orders." -- Adolph Eichmann
The IPCC has purposely engineered a massive scientific fraud.
Who are famous for framing their questions so as to get the answers that please the faux news crowd. Well, the day just got more depressing.
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is doing a good job of keeping tigers away. you don't see any tigers around do you?
How uninterested and afraid to question one must be to see controversy in everything where a lot of people discuss something and naturally not completely agree. How dogmatic to the bone and how desperate is ones intellect that instead of contemplating the ideas one holds, one focusses only on semantics of words to kill the depth of any argument one actually cares about. All to reconcile ones believes with ever increasing scientific knowledge. It used to be that simple Faith was good enough, but it is not good enough for --I quote your parent commenter abbreviatedly-- elitist 3-digit I.Q.'s.
This article is bullshit. Not only people does not like the TSA, but the 'petitions' at whitehouse.gov are a joke. Tens of thousands of people petition whatever they want, and all that comes back is a condescending half-ass explanation saying "we are sorry, but is not going to happen". The article does have only one good point: new generations have grown used to abuse by the TSA. Way to go, USA. Slashdot is going down the drains. I cannot believe I am saying this, but I am finding better articles on Reddit these days. After reading this crap I went to try to close my account here - guess what? It cannot be done. The FAQ says keeping an account is 'harmless'. It is not. Your serves can be hacked or whatever, and other people may have use to my account and information. This is the last straw, Slashdot. I am not using it anymore.
Is there a problem? I mean, hey, if nobody's gonna resist, fuck it. Off to the tropics for me.
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This is when laws that allow the news to lie really start to pay off.
Who owns Gallup again?
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No way, I refuse to fly because of the crap they pull. If they go to train stations, bus stations and even ships then I guess I wont be traveling anywhere except once. And that is away from america.
That's great, I guess we should re-purpose them as LFA (Lost and Found Administration) agents. They could reduce passenger losses by billions and actually serve a purpose to the taxpayer!
A better indicator would be weighted for the frequency a respondent has been subjected to TSA procedures:
...and so on. Mind you, I am no statistician and I'm sure someone could devise a better spread with a better understanding of the demands of this kind of survey.
I have traveled by airline X times since 2009:
0 times = score 1.00
1 time = score 1.25
2 times = score 1.50
3 times = score 2.00
4 times = score 2.50
5 times = score 3.25
As someone who travels via airline +/- 10 times per year I can say that I have had the unpleasant experience of having to be patted down because I refuse to be subjected to as-of-yet questionable and unnecessary amounts of radiation. If the jury's still out on the scanner, I'll be opting out.
I do fully understand that this wasn't the intention of the study and wouldn't you know, it's an outcome that reinforces the status quo and besmirches dissent. I can see this being a headline in USA Today or some other brain-dead rag.
If someone has no frame of reference on a particular matter, why should their opinion be validated? For instance, would my opinion about legislation involved in animal husbandry regulations be considered worth anything? As someone who's never been involved in the insemination of livestock I can say, without hesitation, the answer is a resounding "No."
The enemy of my enemy is quite possibly also my enemy. I've made a lot of enemies.
Propaganda, supporting the unsupportable, an editor orders one of his copywriters to create news that casts the government is a "good" light!
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This is clearly a propaganda piece and Slashdot should be ashamed for running it.(Unless their intention was to highlight it's absurdity) Like the guy said earlier, seal the cockpit doors and only the plane can be taken out(common sense that should have been implemented from jump.) The TSA needs to go. It is designed to make us comfortable with federal goons in all aspects of our lives, including the fondling of our youth. It is frakkin criminal and being rolled out in train/bus stations and soon to come to big events(sports, concerts, etc.) BTW sheeple 9/11 and most of the so called terrorist events taking place over here are inside jobs with the soul purpose of legitimizing our growing police state which is run by the same international bankers that run our government and are ruining our country. Their goal which has been stated for quite some time is not our safety(in fact quite the opposite) and they are making great strides to its fulfillment. People you have absolutely got to pull the blinders off and start getting active about this shit. It's no damn joke. I don't agree with every single point of Alex Jones at WWW.INFOWARS.COM but he's probably 90-99% accurate in reporting what is actually going on in this country which you will never hear about because the "powers that be" run the corporate media and are quite careful in controlling the American/World dialogue and hiding/perpetuating their insidious agenda. Please arm yourself with knowledge. I suggest www.infowars.com as a starting point and dig into their claims to verify it for yourself. You will be shocked. Wake up friends and please help others wake up so we can win back our country and our freedoms.
Hosea 4:6 -- My people perish for a lack of knowledge. / -- John 8:32 The truth will set you free. Pursue the truth people and save who you can.
BTW I am a huge fan of Slashdot, just wasn't sure why they were running this piece. Turned out to be an opportunity and I suggest you'll do the same when able. God Bless!
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The real reason is they are doing a good job. In real everyday life no one bitches about them and they deal with them with little to no problems ever. I mean sure on rare occasion people have a problem but thats the way it is everywhere. Even really great and upstanding institutions like childrens hospital have patients that occasionally have a horrible experince because the fact of the matter is this is real life and nothing no matter the intentions or desire ever goes perfectly and sometimes negative things happen. THere is none and never will be a business that has 100% satisfaction rate, its stupid to think otherwise.
See the thing is the internet has made you all bitchy, whiney, complaining, assholes that can hide behind the safety of your pc and bitch about anything and everything. Blowing stuff out of proportion, complaining about things you have no idea of and just the fact you all get caught up in the fad of popular opininon which is usually just a mob mentality and not based off how things are in reality. Its just a bunch of virtual misconceptions and half truths sandwhiched together into some idiotic general consensus.
See you idiots only care about bad news. "OH no they searched the crippled little girl they are a naughty naught bad poopy headed doodoo faced meany people! I hate the TSA they took away that girls rights and they fuck babies and sacrifice kittens to satan and they took our jobs!" But you guys do realize that for every crippled girl they searched 10 million people went through the TSA that year without a single solitary problem? You guys hear one or two bad things a year and suddenly youre all up in arms about them when infact all the negative stuff you hear about them is like .01% of everything they do. But you dont care, you just want an excuse to get on the internet and bitch and whine to a bunch of strangers who dont give a shit because you have no lives, your pathetic and youre immature children just wanting to yell about something to anyone.
Bullocks. Newspapers by and large are either liberal moonbat (Boston Globe, NYT, etc) or Neocon (Boston Herald) propaganda, with little regard shown to the truth of the matter. There are a few exceptions here and there which remain mostly objective (Wall Street Journal) without turning every story into op-eds or taking quotes out of context but the objective newspapers are few and far between.
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You mean at least they gave you a reach-around.
I do not know a single person who feels the TSA is doing a good job.
If a corporate-controlled 'news' group is telling us that being sexually groped by our own government is both effective *and* welcome, who are we to question?
My guess most of the people they asked are people too fat to get out of their trailer let alone fly so why ask them?
Quite amusing to hear this article wailing accusations against people and reporters for being lazy and not fact checking without themselves offering evidence of the same unless they belive cherry picking specific incidents favorable to a narrative constitutes not being lazy.
In the end don't grope my penis, steal my shit (happened twice to me personally) or x-ray me and I might actually fly again someday.
Also please don't act like a bunch of jerks. I was actually embarassed for my country after coming back from overseas and listening to the idiot with a badge shout and belittle guests.
Till then the airlines and every politician who supports them will not be seeing a single dollar or vote from me. No poll is going to change that.
Poll finds that 54% of Americans are blatant idiots. Shame on the 46% for not ensuring their brothers are properly informed.
I want to copy Israel's aviation security. It is clearly superior, and less invasive.
The TSA is *exactly* like the FBI was characterised in the first Die Hard movie: brain-dead, by the book reactionaries that do exactly what the bad guys need done. In the case of the TSA, they have been crucial in conducting bin Laden's long-term goal of turning the US into a police state. Based on his early life exposure and his Soviet-era collusions with the CIA, he understood that the most likely US reaction to a terrorist threat would be justification of dictatorial powers for the gain of personal power and profits by those in both public and private sectors (if there is still a difference).
Mission Accomplished, indeed.
This is another one of those carefully crafted polls Gallup is famous for, designed to support whatever pasteurized, homogenized official narrative is desired. IE, benevolent, protective goverment is good, wicked Internet rabble-rousers needing to be regulated are evil and suspect. If you look at the actual poll,though, as opposed to the headline conclusion, you can see that most people have plenty of reservations. Substitute "bad" for good and I'm certain you'd come out a heavier-weighted result for a diametrically opposed finding.
There's a hell of a lot of equivocation going on with this poll. Disambiguate and contextualize "good" or "bad" here accurately, anyway. The poll certainly doesn't
Obviously the 57% who said the TSA. is doing a good job don't travel by plane nor do they read the newspapers. Why do we read all the time they are either involved with passenger property theft or 'copping a feel' off of a child, the elderly or a handicapped person? If Obama wants to lower federal spending this is one agency that could disappear and I doubt he would hear nary a whimper of protest.
I travel a lot, never had a problem
My guess is that you're just an asshole to them.
You probably aren't even smart enough to realize that the police, if they pull you over for something bogus like failure to signal a lane change or driving too fast for conditions--even if you aren't speeding, can take you to jail strip search you multiple times, make you wait to see a judge to post bail and generally fuck you over, And its all perfectly legal.
A marriage is always made up of two people who are prepared to swear that only the other one snores.
" The poll found that 54% of Americans believe the TSA is doing a good or excellent job, and that 57% have a good or excellent opinion of the agency. So why all the criticism? "
Why all the criticism? Because of the other 43%.
The article poster laments that the petition he referred to had vanished off the petition site.
So... do something about that, why don't you?
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/improve-transparency-online-petition-system/VmVB9XC2
Yes, I realize the irony in even hoping a petition to change the petition system would receive any attention at all. But as I don't have the ear of the website developer, this is what I can do from my armchair.
Sure, it is almost certain to fail. But it has a measurably - if still small - better chance of success than whinging at the screen where nobody can hear me.
approve of torturing those that do. Only about 1/3 of Americans fly each year. Many of the people who "approve" of the TSA don't deal with them.
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Do I think the TSA is doing a good job of performing the duties it has been mandated to ? Yes. Overall, agents have been polite and professional, when refusing to enter the irradiator, I have been treated with courtesy, and groped according to established procedures.
Do I think the TSA mandate and procedure make any sense ? Hell no. The security circus serve little to no purpose, and being groped to be able to travel should not happen in a democratic country. This is not the fault of TSA employees, this is the fault of the political body that invented that bloated, expensive and useless administrative behemoth.
...criticism of the TSA comes primarily from 'Internet sites, where reporting standards are generally not at the same level as newspapers, where reporters are bought to publish what is told to them...
People may think they're doing a good job.
But anyone with actual counter-terrorism and combat demolitions experience knows that TSA screening is a farce and not just a waste of time but an anti-competitive non-productive nuisance.
People also thought the world was flat. Some still do, sadly. Some people think Jesus rode dinosaurs.
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Notice they didn't ask, "Should the TSA exist?"
... it appears the TSA is doing a 'Good Job' because we haven't had a terrorist attack via air since 2011. But you can bet your biddies the moment we have a confirmed attack or hijacking that the TSA's popularity rating will go completely into the toilet...
The TSA is doing a good job of keeping me from flying. Why would I want to subject myself to such searches? Amazingly, people still get things on aircraft. Enough with the TSA already... trust me, the passengers will take care of business if there is a problem. Just like they did with the underwear bomber and the shoe bomber.
Funny how the Slashdot hivemind is on the wrong side of the discussion yet again, although as usual they were so entirely convinced of their correctness.
Their job is to create the illusion of security, so that people take planes. If many people feel that the TSA is doing a good job (per the poll results), then the illusion is working, and therefore the TSA is doing a good job.
Q.E.D.
On a totally unrelated note, although related to the mass population: Poll finds that 54% of Americans believe that Iraq had WMDs Poll finds that 54% of Americans believe we are defending our country by being thousands of miles away in Afghanistan Poll finds that 54% of Americans believe the hijackers were from Iraq / Afghanistan Poll finds that 54% of Americans believe they actually vote for the president of the US Of course these numbers are made up, but you get the point...
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Well, I also hardly ever get porno groped anymore. But that's probably because I lack confidence and look too needy when I go through Security, it's just like the bars in college...
Who paid for this poll? Polls cost a lot of money so really ask who paid for this market research?? You will not find any mention of who asked Gallup to perform this poll so in all likelihood we can assume it is the federal government itself. The very idea that most Americans are in any way on board with TSA and thei breast and balls security is ludicrous.
We also want to ask how much Geeknet, the owners of Slashdot got for the placement of this article.
This is the most pathetic and an insult!
The second part of the poll indicates that at least 50% of my fellow countrymen surveyed in the first poll are brain dead morons (with a margin of error of +4%).
Shut up brain or I'll stab you with a Q-Tip. - Homer Simpson
It doesn't matter if people feel good about the TSA; what matters is whether the agency if effective. Even the statistic about the TSA's perceived effectiveness doesn't help either way. The only reason to present the result of the survey is to imply that the TSA is doing a good job, which is a false conclusion. It's like implying that my magic pencil prevents tiger attacks because I haven't been attacked by a tiger lately.
Always someone has power over you. The thing to consider is this: Is the power good, or bad?
The definition of a Conservative used to be "a Liberal who's been mugged". Now is it "a Liberal who's been groped"?
for randomly slashing out against online media ...
Since when was a 54% approval rating in an industry considered "good"?
Far as I'm concerned this propaganda piece is an insult. Fire Holdren and hire me.
...and you're a communist taking their FREEDOM! And try regulating pollutants in the air they breath....
Never let a lack of data get in the way of a good rant.
Polls would also show that most American's think the moon is made of cheese and that werewolves are real ... There are entire counties where people rarely ever fly and thus never experience the TSA regime.
Anybody who 'thinks' like you is either a paid disruptor or cognitively damaged. I'm betting on the latter since it 'smells' more deranged than it does impersonal cut & paste. But I'm only guessing.
In any case, the fact of the matter is that no amount of wishful thinking and egocentric bravado is going to save you. In fact, this very force is the prime cause of your rapid slide into darkness. I guess the nice thing, from your perspective, is that you will only have the dimmest awareness of it even happening. That's the thing about cognitive disintegration. You lose the ability to measure just how degraded you appear to those around you who don't happen to have their eyes glued shut, (which is part of the reason people in your situation are so hell-bent on shutting down everybody else's thinking as well as your own.). Doesn't work very well, though.
The rest of us are getting stronger and wiser as we dig into the work of psychological growth. Luckily, your disintegration is instructive to others.
So, thanks for that, I guess.
I just want to know who they interviewed. I can't remember the last time I spoke with anyone about the TSA, and heard a positive message.
The Gallup poll results show that most Americans think TSA is useless in protecting them. The poll says that 58% found TSA less than effective. Since security effectiveness is their only responsibility how can this be construed as favorable for TSA? Why does the media focus on the “job” data?
Gallup said that 54% of Americans “think” TSA does a decent job while 44% don’t think they do a good job, hardly a ringing endorsement. The poll has a 4% margin indicating that Americans are largely divided on whether the screeners are doing a good job or not. It also shows TSA’s PR campaign has been more successful than their workers.
Why was it necessary to add the adjective only to the fair performance category when fair would have been sufficient? This creates a bias by implying “only” is bad in the question and contaminates the result.
So if a plane explodes because of TSA incompetence but America thinks the screeners “do a good job” that makes it okay?
Gallup’s data shows that 48% of respondents have not flown in a year or more and are not familiar with the agency or its procedures and 75% seldom if ever fly.
Another interpretation of Gallup’s data is that 75% of Americans are non-fliers or rarely use airlines and are unaware of TSA’s poor performance record or just don’t care since it doesn’t affect them.
Maybe Gallup will comment on why TSA’s poor effectiveness wasn’t the headline in the press and why the media favorably reported the performance results.
And how does anyone explain how only 122 people who flew more than five times in the past year suffice for anyone to conclude that millions of frequent fliers view TSA favorably?
It’s funny that the pool came out he same day this comes on the day when two more TSA screeners in Atlanta were indicted for smuggling drugs through security in a FBI sting. Twelve TSA workers have been charged with smuggling contraband in twenty months
Media pandering to an incompetent agency that can’t rid itself of criminals is jeopardizing airline safety, not helping it.
The way they make air travel so tedious, I though their job was to ensure that nobody wants to fly, thus reducing global warming, won't somebody please think of the children, and other nonsequiturs as well...
54% approval rating may be good enough for presidency. But if it's used as a measure of performance for a company, then it's tanking heavily. Who in their right mind would go out and say "overall we're doing good, only slightly less than half our customers think we suck".
To have an opinion of the TSA one must actually travel. As Walmart pays 7.75 an hour and the average American wage is 35k, MANY people seldom travel and may never travel. People with 0 TSA experience have no reason to not like the TSA.
Not liking the TSA is more of an "elite" issue.
More TSA agents have been convicted than they've caught.
In fact, nobody the TSA arrested has ever been convicted of terrorism or attempted terrorism.
Every attempted terrorist that was foiled in the act was foiled by private citizens *after* they got past the TSA.
The Gallup question on TSA job performance was severely flawed and biased. There were two options that gave TSA a clearly favorable rating, Excellent and Good but only one that gave them a clearly unfavorable rating, Poor. The Only Fair category was somewhat neutral and offered a more neutral substitute for an unfavorable rating.
Essentially the Only Fair rating served as a C minus giving TSA the opportunity to spin the results to their advantage and depriving the respondents of a legitimate fifth, not served by the No Opinion response.
This creates the appearance of bias in the polling and leads to questions of motive in structuring this in such imbalanced manner.
There is no way Chocolate rations are That up. Call me a skeptic or optimist, or Ishmal, but americans are not that stu.... nevermind.
If 54% think they are doing a good to excellent job, means 46% are annoyed to downright pissed off.
Oh, what's that?, almost half the country being pissed off at the TSA, and they make it seem like it's a few malcontents on the internet.
In other news, only 46% of Americans ever fly.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
I was once told that continual stick banging is a highly effective method of keeping the neighborhood free from elephant invasion. So I took it up and guess what? I have not seen a single elephant on my street!
The TSA requires little or no background check on new hires. It is an idea job for gropers, pedophiles, thugs & thieves. Several FBI drug busts have jailed TSA agents that were bought-off. Many of the FBI tests on TSA security have failed! The TSA has no record of ever detecting a terrorist. ABOLISH THE TSA NOW BEFORE THEY UNIONIZE...!
Don't you think...? Or don't you?
"I was just doing my job." -- Some guy who bagged onions in the same bag as bananas to the customer's dismay.
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