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Touch Interfaces In Cars Difficult To Use

An anonymous reader points out an article about touchscreen dash interfaces in cars (in particular Cadillac's "CUE" interface). From the article: "I do not recall anyone ever complaining about the iOS interface and there have been plenty of attempts to replicate the experience and its flow of control. ... As simple as iOS may appear on the surface, it is incredibly well-executed balance that matches the requirements of a touch interface for phones, tablets and other horizontal screen devices. Changing the user scenario, hardware, or software will alter the requirements for the desired user experience as well. ... CUE is not as transparent in its usage as, for example, the iPhone. We are used to certain buttons that are located on the dash – sliders and dials that we expect in places that we can quickly memorize. In the end, you want to be able to reach for such a button without taking your eyes off the road. There are no such buttons on the XTS dash. Instead, there are some capacitive touch buttons for basic climate controls, audio volume and seat heating/cooling. Since the buttons are activated by touch, they feel the same." A touchscreen UI for some functions sounds perfectly sane (how do I set the clock again?), but ditching all of the dash buttons sounds like a recipe for disaster. I've heard from iPod users (and my own experience with my long-dead Neuros echos) that the click wheel was easy to use blindly; the move to a touchscreen made it impossible to use without looking at it.

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  1. Never a good idea.. by red+crab · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Using touch screen controls on a car is akin to texting on your mobile; taking eyes off the road to see your dashboard or stereo controls is an inherently bad idea.

    1. Re:Never a good idea.. by Rei · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I've worked in the field before, and you're absolutely right. Thankfully, there's a lot of people who realize how bad these systems are and are working to come up up with more tactile solutions. Popular approaches are things like steering wheel buttons for controls with sounds to help keep you sure of what function you're operating on. Ultimately, the car is likely headed to a system where there are multiple dumb screens networked into a single "smartphone"-like compute platform for the vehicle. The screens provide independent interfaces but can display common shared applications being run by the compute platform, such as the current route on a GPS app or the currently playing music in a music/radio app. The driver's is the same display as the speedometer and other gauges, is not a touch screen (obviously), and is designed only for quick glances to get summary information while only moving the eyes a few degrees from the windshield. The center dash can go away, since drivers shouldn't be having to look over that far and mess with things over there, and since thus it makes more sense to have the passenger's display right in front of them (requires a bit of airbag/glove box repositioning, but is doable). Freeing up the center console and getting rid of all of these independent, heavy, inefficient standalone "boxes" (which often work poorly together) in lieu of a single embedded multifunction platform provides a massive number of benefits, from more interior design options for what to do with that extra space to reduced wiring costs, reduced weight, dramatically reduced power consumption, upgradeability, security, and on and on. It's the future of vehicles. The Tier 1s won't like it, as their entire business is built on said "boxes", but they'll have to deal with it sooner or later.

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    2. Re:Never a good idea.. by crutchy · · Score: 5, Funny

      using gestures

      turn steering wheel to the left => reduce stereo volume
      turn steering wheel to the right => increase stereo volume

      can't get much more tactile than that :)

    3. Re:Never a good idea.. by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Which is why Siri and Google both are epic failures on their voice control. If I ask for something verbally and the phone returns something to display, that is a complete EPIC fail.

      And it seems that caddilac also wants to follow this epic failure path. although not as bad as companies like kenwood or Clarion. Ever try to use one of those aftermarket stereos? Their UI designers and programmers are some of the WORST in the industry.

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    4. Re:Never a good idea.. by Z00L00K · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Even push buttons that aren't easily identifiable by touch is a problem. If you can't identify with touch you must take your eye off the road.

      And too many push buttons in a row all identical is a nightmare.

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    5. Re:Never a good idea.. by Dupple · · Score: 4, Funny

      using gestures

      turn steering wheel to the left => reduce stereo volume

      turn steering wheel to the right => increase stereo volume

      can't get much more tactile than that :)

      Turn left - crash into vehicle
      Turn right - cash into vehicle
      Air bags deployed.
      Other motorists punch you for causing an accident - You can't get much more tactile than that!

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    6. Re:Never a good idea.. by hattig · · Score: 3, Informative

      Good post, and certainly describes the future of the car dashboard - hopefully in the near term rather than the long term!

      Certainly a single display can replace all of the current dials, and also instead of, e.g., "Engine Warning" icon lighting up, it can say "Your O2 sensor is broken". When using steering wheel functions (only buttons needed are "function select" and "home (back to standard dash display)" ("up"/"down","home", left hand side of steering wheel) and "function adjust" ("up"/"down"/"disable", right hand side of steering wheel)) or voice control, the display can alter to show what you're changing directly, or even better it can be reflected off of the windscreen so the driver's eyes are never off the road. Maybe a "back" button. Hmm, pretty close to the buttons on an Android phone really.

      All of the centre console gubbins can be eradicated. Who needs a bulky CD player when you can slot in a $20 32GB SD card with your entire music collection on it, or just have the car get the music off your phone/tablet (which in turn could be pulling it from your server at home)?

      And current smartphone platforms are more than adequate for all this already, from a hardware point of view, but maybe the software isn't quite there yet for car control. Still, the latest version of Eclipse is available in a version for car application development, so things are clearly moving in the right direction.

      I think the primary input has to be voice, with steering wheel buttons as a backup. Using buttons to select using the dash display will still take the driver's eyes off the road, whereas "turn on air conditioning", "volume down 50%" simply won't. Even if you need a "speech control" button on the steering wheel.

      In fact, the Microsoft Steering Wheel is 100% buttons, all square and different colours, each controlling directly their own function.

    7. Re:Never a good idea.. by FireFury03 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      instead of, e.g., "Engine Warning" icon lighting up, it can say "Your O2 sensor is broken".

      Don't be silly, how then would the main dealer be able to charge you a £100 "diagnostic fee" for the 30 second job of plugging an ODB II reader in?

    8. Re:Never a good idea.. by Joce640k · · Score: 4, Funny

      turn steering wheel to the left => reduce stereo volume

      turn steering wheel to the right => increase stereo volume

      can't get much more tactile than that :)

      With a few changes, that might work: Treat the steering wheel as a rotary encoder and have a button that momentarily disconnects it from the wheels. On a straight piece of road it wouldn't be a problem to disconnect the steering for a few seconds.

      You obviously wouldn't want it to activate in a corner so as a safety feature you could make it only work when the steering wheel is straight. Apart from that you have the perfect input device for analog settings like music volume, seat adjustment, cup holder temperature, etc.

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    9. Re:Never a good idea.. by Joce640k · · Score: 4, Funny

      Ultimately, the car is likely headed to a system where there are multiple dumb screens networked into a single "smartphone"-like compute platform for the vehicle. The screens provide independent interfaces but can display common shared applications being run by the compute platform

      What about blind people? They have no problem using real buttons, how will they be able to use the new 'smart' system?

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    10. Re:Never a good idea.. by BiggerIsBetter · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What about blind people? They have no problem using real buttons, how will they be able to use the new 'smart' system?

      They probably shouldn't be driving anyway.

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    11. Re:Never a good idea.. by crutchy · · Score: 2

      erm...

    12. Re:Never a good idea.. by dlingman · · Score: 2

      Who wants to yell at household devices? I'll pay a thousand bucks right now if I can get a module that does voice command -> doing things implanted in my kids.

    13. Re:Never a good idea.. by DJRumpy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Temporarily deactivate the steering wheel? You're kidding right?

      The obvious answer is voice recognition. It's already headed there with navigation systems since they are attention intensive without voice feedback. Simple commands like "set the temperature to 70" or "turn the fan to high", or "tune to station 97.1", etc.

      Coming up with multi-function devices on top of current device screens just compounds the problem. They all take attention away (primarily your eyes) from the road. Steering wheel controls are a small step in the right direction, but adding more and more buttons requires someone to memorize them, and each successive button adds a higher chance that someone will mis-remember a button, look down to try and find it among the numerous controls already there, and again you are in the same bad situation.

      Voice commands allow true independence from moving your feet or hands from the controls (assuming a successful implementation).

    14. Re:Never a good idea.. by crutchy · · Score: 3, Funny

      definitely need a CTRL pedal and an ALT pedal, so that you can bail out of a nasty situation by pushing CTRL, then ALT, and then BRAKE... just hope it isn't followed by a blue scream of death

    15. Re:Never a good idea.. by SlippyToad · · Score: 3, Insightful

      With a few changes, that might work:

      Yeah, the major change I propose is NOT USING THE FUCKING STEERING WHEEL FOR SOMETHING OTHER THAN STEERING, IDIOT!

      On a straight piece of road it wouldn't be a problem to disconnect the steering for a few seconds.

      I must assume you have NEVER driven a car before. You have heard of deer, right? Even a turkey crossing the "straight piece of road" in front of you can cause an accident.

      Jesus, I hope you don't work for the auto industry.

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    16. Re:Never a good idea.. by Gilmoure · · Score: 4, Funny

      The "WHOOOOSH" generated by this post is louder than an old PowerMac G5 with a bad thermo-sensor.

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    17. Re:Never a good idea.. by Joce640k · · Score: 3, Funny

      Temporarily deactivate the steering wheel? You're kidding right?

      Yes, I was....please press disconnect and turn the wheel to the right to raise your humor setting a bit.

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    18. Re:Never a good idea.. by yurtinus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Though it takes a lot longer to say "change station to 97.1" than it does to hit the "3" preset on the console. I think all this gadgetry really are solutions looking for problems. All this discussion of touch screens and voice commands - how long before it comes full circle and some plucky engineer in the back of the room says "Hey! Let's just put a knob in for the volume and a couple of buttons for presets!"

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    19. Re:Never a good idea.. by orgelspieler · · Score: 2

      Who is Natalie? I thought your wife was Sue. Does Sue know about Natalie?

      No, but the car does. And next time Sue gets in, it will automatically dial Natalie. Cars have really mean senses of humor.

    20. Re:Never a good idea.. by tsa · · Score: 2

      My car also has that feature and I like it a lot. You don't notice it, which means it's implemented well.

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  2. M-B system by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Our Mercedes cars have a system which uses a knob which you twist/push in the center armrest. It's far superior to a touch interface for the GPS navigator, and mp3/radio control (even video once the car is stopped).

    Stuff touch interfaces for this kind of thing.

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  3. No kidding by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Lack of tactile feedback is a bad idea when you are driving, because it forces you to look at the controls instead of the road. It's a fad, just like the days when they started replacing rotating knobs for stereo volume with a more awkward control that was linear, or even worse, a series of digital buttons. An analog knob is much easier to control. The companies pushing for an "all touchscreen" interface are pursuing a bad, unsafe design. The programmability of a touchscreen is great, and you can fit layer after layer of complicated control in the same space, but it's at the cost of ease of use. Touchscreens should augment regular in-car controls, not replace them.

  4. Touch is a fad by hairyfish · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ok not a fad, but its required application is far lower than the current hype curve that everyone seems to be jumping on these days. Touch works in a phone where you have a casual short-use, multi-function device. But it doesn't work on a desktop where you need to input data 8 hours a day, it sucks on a volume knob where you want analog-like gradient control, and it has no place in a car where you should be looking at the road. The worst example I can think of is those stupid shopping mall store directories that are now interactive touch screens. What is wrong with a paper map? It works, anyone can use it, and most importantly many people can use it simultaneously. Technology for technology's sake, it is the bane of my existence.

    1. Re:Touch is a fad by MacBurn11 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I wish it was...I already hated touchscreens when they came to mobile phones and mp3 players, so i couldn't use them anymore without pulling them out of my pocket. On my touchpad it is fine, even in that map scenario a touchscreen could be useful (selecting a target and showing the fastest way from the current location to it), but in a car a touchscreen is a possible security risk, what with not paying attention to the road and so on.

  5. Prius by Kupfernigk · · Score: 5, Informative

    All the important stuff is duplicated on the steering wheel. If I'm busy and the passenger wants to fiddle with the air conditioning, I can direct them to the touchscreen and I don't have to do anything. This to me is the ideal situation. The passenger can play with things that don't endanger anything, I can concentrate on avoiding the BMW driver who thinks that the little propeller sign on the front of his car means that he can pull out in front of people without looking.

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  6. Knobs and switches by Bazman · · Score: 2

    My 1983 Series 3 Land Rover has big chunky knobs and large switches for everything. Engineers have been happy with those things for the user interface for a hundred years, why change now?

    Reliability? Not judging by the 'my car UI failed after 3 months and spent two weeks getting a replacement' post.

    Probably marketing (look at the gee-whiz dashboard! See its shiny goodness!) and maybe even insurance (so they can tell if you did indicate or were fiddling with the radio before crashing) and also built-in obsolescence (oh, you need an upgrade, $$$ plz kthx, no, nobody else can fix it) unlike on a car with knobs and switches where anyone can replace a switch.

    I hope these touch screens work with gloves on...

    My Land Rover does have two switches on the centre of the dashboard that I have no idea what they do...

  7. Who thought this was a good idea? by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Any car interior design that requires you to look at a display to change a setting, or even worse, require you to navigate through various menus through a joystick or a touchscreen to change settings, should have been scrapped at the prototype stage.

    On one hand, we have stereo controls mounted to the steering wheel, a brilliant invention that allows you to adjust the volume, change which station or track you're listening to or even pick up the phone, all without ever taking your eyes off the road. My car is slightly older so it uses a third stalk for these functions, but the basic principle is the same. You can adjust the stereo without ever taking your eyes off the road. +1 for road awareness!

    Because the designers of my car didn't have their heads stuck up their asses, the climate control unit has big buttons that are easily distinguished by touch. Any combination of heating, cooling, vents, defrosting, AC etc., I can do without ever looking at the controls. That's good UI design, with proper tactile feedback that you just don't get with touch controls.

    But now it seems we're moving in the opposite direction. Everything needs to have a touch display and fancy animations to further distract people from the act of driving. It sells due to the "ooh shiny" factor, but should be considered a danger to road safety on par with eating while driving.

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  8. Cameras by backwardMechanic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Think of a modern digital SLR versus an old pure-mechanical film version. The modern design is a pretty impressive balance between keeping the old layout for things you want to find quickly without looking (knobs, buttons, dials), and adding a load of new features that you don't need very often (menu based). Car UI designers would do well to learn from this approach.

  9. The challenge is feedback by LordFolken · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Switches offer tactile feedback, both that it was pressed and what position it is in. You can find it blindly after some practice.

    Touch-screens try to augment this (badly) with vibration, visual or audible cues. This is fine on a phone. In the car the audible works good. But you never know whether you have pressed the right thing.

    Also touch screens are fine as long as you are on a smooth road.. but as soon as it gets rough you will have difficulty to operate them.

    In Airplanes its even worse. I fly gliders as a hobby.. in the mountains the acceleration forces are so great that you can't even reach the dash properly. Even less hit a certain spot on a flat surface touchscreen. It requires a lot more attention and concentration than "just hitting a switch".

  10. Well duh by DrXym · · Score: 2

    Putting a UI into a vehicle which requires the user to take their eyes off the road to locate and touch a virtual button on a smooth surface is a car crash waiting to happen. IMO the pinnacle of this insanity has to be the Tesla Model S which sticks a 17" tablet in the middle of the dash. It might look great on paper but I wonder how many accidents will be caused by people fiddling with the screen and it's functions when their eyes should be on the road.

  11. Tell me you're joking by Viol8 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Certainly a single display can replace all of the current dials,"

    Sure it can, but that doesn't mean its better.

    ""Engine Warning" icon lighting up, it can say "Your O2 sensor is broken""

    They could do that already in the LCD or VFD screens that most cars have. They don't because car manufacturers want you to take it down the dealers and pay for a diagnostic.

    "or voice control, the display can alter to show what you're changing directly"

    Oh wonderful, so you change the radio station and suddenly your speedo vanishes. Genius!

    "Hmm, pretty close to the buttons on an Android phone really."

    We're not talking about phones or toys , we're talking about large powerful vehicles which can kill people if the driver is distracted by playing around with silly technology-for-its-own-sake gimmicks.

    "Still, the latest version of Eclipse is available in a version for car application development"

    Excelllent , so we can look forward to some really reliable efficient java apps running our cars can we? I can't wait. Actually I'll probably have to when I'm stuck at the side of the road with a java exception dump showing on the dashboard.

    "I think the primary input has to be voice, with steering wheel buttons as a backup"

    I think you're talking out of your arse. Why would I want to have to press some push to talk button (unless the computer can figure out when you're talking to it) then fucking DESCRIBE what I want the car to do such as turn down the volume when in 1 second I can reach over and do it myself on a proper volume control without even looking??!

    "In fact, the Microsoft Steering Wheel "

    Now you're just trolling.

    1. Re:Tell me you're joking by Viol8 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Have a button or grip on the steering wheel that mutes the audio and then allows for voice input."

      You're missing the point - voice input is inefficient and doesn't work well. Its an order of magnitude quicker to press a button or 2 than describe what action you want done.

    2. Re:Tell me you're joking by Viol8 · · Score: 2

      "The point about voice control and steering wheel controls is to REDUCE DISTRACTION over the current UIs, and especially reduce the amoutn of time the driver is looking away from the road."

      So dump the silly UIs that manufacturers brought in and go back to buttons. Its quite easy to mentally know where a button is without looking after a very short time. Do you think F1 drivers keep looking at their steering wheels to figure out which button to press when they're doing 200mph?

      "And WHOOSH for missing a joke too."

      Fair cop.

    3. Re:Tell me you're joking by hattig · · Score: 2

      I believe F1 steering wheels have all the functions on them, in the form of buttons: http://www.formula1.com/inside_f1/understanding_the_sport/5287.html
      I'm sure they know the position of those buttons off by heart though, but that's their job! I'm also sure that the buttons are placed in the best place for them to use them whilst retaining a grip on the wheel, through the gloves, whilst keeping their eyes on the road. Maybe I'm nitpicking myself now!

      However there is a good argument to be made for dials. Dials are very intuitive, and easy to find with your hand without looking. Buttons less so unless they're already under your hand (e.g., a remote control is usable because you have it in your hand and know where the individual buttons are, helped along by button shape).

      I think that buttons on a steering wheel, in an accessible place to use without moving your hand from the recommended position, are a solution worth considering. And as many steering wheels already have media controls on them it's not far to extrapolate more generalised controls from them controlling a UI that's directly in front of the driver's eyes.

      One of the main points of the discussion is about removing driver functions from the centre console, especially since touchscreens have started appearing there, and as the article and other posters have said - they're a really bad idea. In addition because a lot of the centre console functionality is no longer required, why not get rid of it entirely (or have a stack of cup holders :p) and save money, with all the separate interfaces replaced by one on the display UI on the dash?

      I'm sure the car manufacturers have been working on this stuff for a very long time already though, so one of them is going to get it right eventually.

    4. Re:Tell me you're joking by Hatta · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Oh wonderful, so you change the radio station and suddenly your speedo vanishes. Genius!

      Officer, I swear I was just listening to the radio on the way back from the swimming pool. I don't know what happened!

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    5. Re:Tell me you're joking by flightdroid · · Score: 4, Informative

      I have a 2009 Ford Focus. I installed the aftermarket Sync kit from the Ford parts department. Does it come close to the voice input on Star Trek TOS? Absolutely not. Does it save me having to push a crapload of buttons if I want to change inputs? Yes. Does it make talking on the phone safer and easier? Yes. For example: Using voice controls: I am listening to the radio. I decide that I would like to listen to Weezer. I press the voice button and say: "USB" I press the voice button again and say: "Play artist Weezer" Outcome: I never take my eyes off the road, I'm listening to the music that i want and it took all of about 5 seconds to accomplish. Using radio knobs: I am listening to the radio. I decide that I would like to listen to Weezer. I press the Aux button. I press the Menu button. I turn the dial to Artist. I press the enter button. I turn the dial to the alphabetical group that has artists that start with W. (There are three alphabetical groups) I turn the dial a lot more to find Weezer. I press enter. I turn the dial to All Albums. I press enter. But I guess you're right, voice input is way more inefficient.

    6. Re:Tell me you're joking by T+Murphy · · Score: 2

      Obviously doesn't apply to 99% of drivers, but my parapalegic brother is about to get his driver's license and voice controls would be immensely helpful for him. As he can't use the pedals, he has a lever that you push forward to brake, and pull back to accelerate (the lever depresses the pedals accordingly), and since he only has one hand to steer, there is this knob that gets attached on the steering wheel. To simply activate a turn signal, he has to take his hand off the wheel; if it suddenly starts raining it can be dangerous to try and deal with traffic while attempting to get the wipers on (and adjusted to the right speed), turn on the headlights, and hopefully the windshield doesn't fog up. Should he want to adjust the windows he has to be at a full stop due to how far he would have to move his arm. Voice controls would be a huge accessability feature; while I would never use voice commands for anything I can do with the press of a button or turning a knob, I hope they expand the capabilities of voice commands so people like my brother don't have to put up with inaccessible controls.

  12. Speedo by tepples · · Score: 3, Funny

    Oh wonderful, so you change the radio station and suddenly your speedo vanishes. Genius!

    That could so be taken the wrong way.

  13. Volt gets it closer to right by DCFusor · · Score: 2

    I own a Volt, and it has both touchscreen and real buttons, well, capacitive and real buttons. I like it pretty well, though at first all that motion/animation and junk on the middle screen was hazardous (there are two, one in the usual spot for a speedo, that doesn't do much distracting). Still, people on the GM-Volt board used to complain that they'd hit the wrong "real" button when trying to change drive modes, and accidentally turn the car off. Gee, that only takes a short glance to confirm before you double-tap to re-map into "sport" mode, but some people....don't get it no matter how well executed it seems. I'm pretty doggone fond of this car - charge it off my solar system, cash just piles up in your wallet when you stop buying gas most of the time. The bling is fun, but it's not the core of the driving experience at all - it's the car that's great, not the bling.

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