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Korean Artist's Intentionally Useless Satellite To Launch This December

An anonymous reader quotes the introduction to Inhabit's article on the upcoming launch of an art project cum satellite intended to be as different as possible from conventional space hardware: "South Korean artist Song Hojun has created his own DIY satellite from scratch – and he's planning to launch it into space this coming December. Song created the satellite from assorted junk he found in back-alley electronics stores in his home town of Seoul, and over the course of six years he has finally managed to complete his space-bound project. Song's satellite cost just over $400 to make, however the cost of launching it to space is going to be a lot, lot more – over $100,000."

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  1. Can the U.S. military target it immediately? by BMOC · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Seriously, we don't need more space junk. This "artist" is a griefer.

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    1. Re:Can the U.S. military target it immediately? by yourexhalekiss · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Oh come on. I can't imagine that this $400 "satellite" has a propulsion system of any kind. It will deorbit in months if not weeks, and burn up on reentry in to the atmosphere. This satellite isn't going to be space junk.

    2. Re:Can the U.S. military target it immediately? by kav2k · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Target and do what? Blast into thousands of less trackable but no less dangerous fragments?

    3. Re:Can the U.S. military target it immediately? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Hopefully its on a relatively short-lived orbit. Either way, it's still a pretty fucking stupid idea.

    4. Re:Can the U.S. military target it immediately? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Use it to test out a laser broom.

    5. Re:Can the U.S. military target it immediately? by SomePgmr · · Score: 2

      I always assumed that CubeSats and TubeSats would just fall and burn up since they don't have propulsion to keep them up and moving.

      IOS says cubesats will fall and burn up after several weeks. http://interorbital.com/CubeSat_1.htm

      Though I suppose they could be ejected at greater distances.

    6. Re:Can the U.S. military target it immediately? by kelemvor4 · · Score: 1

      You got $900,000,000.00 to pay for it? That article you linked said it was 500m in 1990. It's a good idea, until you get to the paying for it part.

    7. Re:Can the U.S. military target it immediately? by DerekLyons · · Score: 4, Informative

      Oh come on. I can't imagine that this $400 "satellite" has a propulsion system of any kind. It will deorbit in months if not weeks, and burn up on reentry in to the atmosphere.

      It doesn't need a propulsion system to avoid deorbiting in weeks or months - it just needs to be put in a high enough orbit that atmospheric drag is minimized. Out beyond a couple of hundred miles, you're into a lifetime of years if not decades. Out a couple of thousand and you start getting into the centuries if not millenia range.
       
      Not to mention, there's a huge range between a few hundred miles and geosynchronous that's all-but-empty because the orbits aren't all that useful.

    8. Re:Can the U.S. military target it immediately? by TheCarp · · Score: 1

      Yah but thats a government estimate. The people who would happily spend $10 million to build the same $400 satelite this artist built. I bet you if they took 1/10th of that money and made it a prize pool for whoever builds one first.... the prize will be a tidy profit to whoever does.

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    9. Re:Can the U.S. military target it immediately? by Jeng · · Score: 2

      They could make it much cheaper if it was in orbit and didn't have to burn though the atmosphere to reach it's target.

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    10. Re:Can the U.S. military target it immediately? by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Art for the sake of Art, is an other way to say, I get paid to make crap (sometime literacy).
      Art to be visually appealing sure,
      Art to express an idea or view point that is good too.

      But art that isn't appealing when asked what does it mean, you get some vague answer like what do you think it means or it is art for art. That is just being lame.

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    11. Re:Can the U.S. military target it immediately? by Hatta · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I can't imagine that this $400 "satellite" has a propulsion system of any kind. It will deorbit in months if not weeks

      If you need a propulsion system to stay in orbit, you're not really in orbit.

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    12. Re:Can the U.S. military target it immediately? by maxwell+demon · · Score: 2

      No space junk has a propulsion system. That's exactly what makes it space junk: You cannot control its orbit.

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    13. Re:Can the U.S. military target it immediately? by maxwell+demon · · Score: 2

      I should have written: No space junk has a working propulsion system, of course.

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    14. Re:Can the U.S. military target it immediately? by Talderas · · Score: 2, Funny

      What's the difference between a lifetime of years and a lifetime of decades?

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    15. Re:Can the U.S. military target it immediately? by Nrrqshrr · · Score: 0

      I was expecting more enthusiasm from the denizens of slashdot.
      I mean, this is exactly the kind of mindset we want people to have. Taking random stuff and putting it together to create fancy objects. Tinkering for the sake of tinkering. This guy is so much better than those artists who create some successful album then spend all their earnings on cars, girls and coke.
      If I was the guy launching it I would probably have thought a little more of the on-orbit-then-what part. But this is still very good news, and more people should be encouraged to do this.

    16. Re:Can the U.S. military target it immediately? by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      Oh come on. I can't imagine that this $400 "satellite" has a propulsion system of any kind. It will deorbit in months if not weeks, and burn up on reentry in to the atmosphere. This satellite isn't going to be space junk.

      Assuming it stays in 1 piece (not a safe assumption). All it takes is some collisions with other space junk to start ripping parts off which can take longer to deorbit and contribute to the ever growing pile of junk circling the planet.

      The few months it's up there are a few months of it ablating away and sending pieces orbiting to hit other things up there (everything gets hit).

    17. Re:Can the U.S. military target it immediately? by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      Building temples, digging holes and filling them in again, manufacturing piles of boots and then burning them ...

    18. Re:Can the U.S. military target it immediately? by camperdave · · Score: 2

      What's the difference between a lifetime of years and a lifetime of decades?

      Dozens of years.

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    19. Re:Can the U.S. military target it immediately? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's the difference between a lifetime of years and a lifetime of decades?

      Well, one lifetime is >=2 years long and the other is >=20 years long.

    20. Re:Can the U.S. military target it immediately? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By that logic (and I use that word advisedly) any orbit where there's still appreciable atmosphere isn't an orbit.

    21. Re:Can the U.S. military target it immediately? by Hatta · · Score: 2

      Yes, exactly. Is there a problem with this definition?

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    22. Re:Can the U.S. military target it immediately? by sasparillascott · · Score: 0

      Unless he's using radiation hardened electronics and design the satellite will be fried very quickly. But heh, if this is what this guy wants to do and spend all that money to launch this little personal satellite....more power to him.

    23. Re:Can the U.S. military target it immediately? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      just because you are in orbit doesn't mean you are outside the outermost part of the atmosphere. Drag causes gradual deceleration for objects in leo

    24. Re:Can the U.S. military target it immediately? by BMOC · · Score: 1

      Space programs have to dodge (read: spend energy/propulsion/man-hours to avoid) space junk on a regular basis. This is a very real, very present-day, very expensive situation. It doesn't need to be made worse with stupidity.

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    25. Re:Can the U.S. military target it immediately? by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

      About the same as the difference between a lifetime of years and lots of years.

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    26. Re:Can the U.S. military target it immediately? by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

      If you need a propulsion system to stay in orbit, you're not really in orbit.

      By that very definition, most if not all satellites are not in orbit.
      note: it's not gravity-free, it's micro-gravity. After all, something has to keep it from flying out into space while it's moving.
      Thought I'd simplify it for you.

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    27. Re:Can the U.S. military target it immediately? by doublebackslash · · Score: 1

      Yes. The atmosphere gets thin out at the edges, but there is no hard line where the soft vaccum of space starts and atmosphere ends.

      Even once you are outside any influence from a planet's atmosphere you have the stellar wind. Beyond that there is still interstellar gas. Beyond that there is the intergalactic medium. You can check out the desnities cited on wikipedia for each but none of them are zero.

      There is simply no getting a good hard vaccuum in this universe and, hence, anything moving in the universe has to deal with the fact that it is going to smack into some amount of matter in its journeys. Being near to a big puffy ball of matter just exacerbates that.

      So... yeah. Orbit involves atmosphere no matter how you slice it. Just a question of how much

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    28. Re:Can the U.S. military target it immediately? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because the Earth itself is subject to similar forces and would therefore not be in orbit around the Sun.
      By the by, orbits don't have to be stable to be considered as orbits.

    29. Re:Can the U.S. military target it immediately? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, exactly. Is there a problem with this definition?

      Of course there is a problem. It's in a low-earth-ORBIT (LEO). Just like the International Space Station, for example, which needs propulsion to keep from decaying into the atmosphere.

    30. Re:Can the U.S. military target it immediately? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Love it. The U.S. is responsible for thousands of pieces of the junk that's up there (I'd guess around 1/3 of it at least) but this one satellite is going to break the camel's back. Comments like yours are why the rest of the world hates us. The moderation you got just proves the point even more. Do you know what a sovereign country is? How 'bout we not suggest blowing up other people's shit just because we're 'merica.

    31. Re:Can the U.S. military target it immediately? by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      In a general use of the word "orbit" I agree with you. But I suppose for the Slashdot audience, I would refer to the usage of 'sustained orbit' and 'non-sustained orbit'.

      Hypothetically if the Earth was perfectly round and ultra mirror smooth with no atmosphere of any kind, you could have an object orbiting the planet mere nanometers from the surface or less. That would be a sustained orbit. An ultra LEO satellite however could rely on thrust to counter atmospheric drag so long as that trust is horizontal and not acting in any way to counter the gravity well. That is to say, it needs to be in free fall around the planet. That would be a non-sustained orbit.

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    32. Re:Can the U.S. military target it immediately? by aaronb1138 · · Score: 1

      The bigger issue is the waste of society's resources for such an endeavor. The artist is in fact griefing. Heck, a few thousand pages of selected primary school student's letters to aliens would be a better use for society.

    33. Re:Can the U.S. military target it immediately? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's the difference between a lifetime of years and a lifetime of decades?

      Plus or minus 9 years.

    34. Re:Can the U.S. military target it immediately? by galanom · · Score: 1

      US taking down a SOUTH Korean satellite? That would be fun!!

    35. Re:Can the U.S. military target it immediately? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about countries with the capability to use a clearly shared resource abide by rules to protect the future use of that resource for everyone? Eh? You don't see artists simply dumping old oil tankers out into the pacific ocean as a form of "Art", do you?

    36. Re:Can the U.S. military target it immediately? by mk1004 · · Score: 1

      No, if you're in a low enough orbit, atmospheric drag will de-orbit any satellite within some reasonable period of time; years or decades. The ISS and the previous space station both periodically does/did correction burns to return them to their target altitude. At the other end of the scale, IIRC, the moon is so far out that it actually gains enough energy from the Earth to move away several inches per year. The Earth's rotation slows as a result of this. Atmospheric drag near geosynchronous orbit or further out is negligible.

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    37. Re:Can the U.S. military target it immediately? by mk1004 · · Score: 1

      In LEO it'll be below the geomagnetic fields, which is where a good bit of the Earth's protection from radiation is at. More likely, it'll fry any electronics from the temperature extremes due to uneven heating/passive thermal radiation in near vacuum.

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  2. Art? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Isn't this the equivalent of putting together a non-running car out of scrap and then pushing it into the middle of the interstate and calling it 'art'?

    1. Re:Art? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's pretty much exactly what it is. Here's to hoping some of the space capable nations blow it out of the sky before it gets there.

    2. Re:Art? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Stop giving the artists ideas.

    3. Re:Art? by CaptainLard · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, its the equivalent of building a RUNNING car from scrap, driving it on the interstate, and letting anyone control the lights from the internet. Sounds lame until you replace "driving it on the interstate" with "launching into earth orbit".

    4. Re:Art? by cpu6502 · · Score: 1

      Or taking ten cars and burying them nose first in the desert & calling it "art". Hey I'm going to take my collection of VCRs and lay them in the front yard. Buried sideways! Come see my new art project.

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    5. Re:Art? by triffid_98 · · Score: 1
    6. Re:Art? by Yaa+101 · · Score: 1

      And then people say that we in the west are decadent...

    7. Re:Art? by jimmydevice · · Score: 1

      Hey! I have a pallet of old macs in my backyard. Is that art?

    8. Re:Art? by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      Except, the widest interstates are only a couple of hundred feet wide (say 200 meters) and traveled by thousands of vehicles per hour.

      This satellite is going into three dimensional space above 500 million square kilometers, on a budget launch that will likely de-orbit faster than Sputnik, and even with "all the junk up there," there are less than 100 launches per year.

      If you want to complain about something relevant, complain about idiots that fire pistols into the air on New Year's Day, sure, a falling bullet only kills one person (we've got billions), but those collisions actually happen.

    9. Re:Art? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, its the equivalent of building a RUNNING car from scrap, driving it on the interstate, and letting anyone control the lights from the internet. Sounds lame until you replace "driving it on the interstate" with "launching into earth orbit".

      Hm... no, no, I just tried replacing those, and it still sounds lame.

    10. Re:Art? by Jeng · · Score: 1

      I think he was referring to this.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadillac_Ranch

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    11. Re:Art? by gagol · · Score: 1

      If you are a recognised artist and it is art, if not, it is stupid and valueless. Art field, in my opinion, has become a popularity contest since the invention of photography. (Look up Picasso's philosophy of the role of artists after the photography invention).

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    12. Re:Art? by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Well that's better than having the rusty auto in your front yard and calling it art.

  3. Litterbug by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Littering near earth orbit as a side effect of doing something useful is problematic. Littering near earth orbit intentionally and for no purpose is pretty antisocial.

  4. This guy is ahead of his time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He made the satellite from bent tin cans, scrap metal and vacumm cleaners found in metal boxes using a workbench.

    Also, nice journalistic neutrality slashdot.

    1. Re:This guy is ahead of his time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      He made a CubeSat.

      He's not building a state of the art spy satellite, it's solar cells and LEDs, not exactly rocket science :)

      You can even buy "blank" template kits and the company will launch them for you.

      http://www.cubesatkit.com/

  5. The littering fine should be even steeper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What the hell is he thinking? At least make it do *something*.

  6. CUM satellite ?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    What's a cum satellite? It sounds disgusting.

    1. Re:CUM satellite ?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, they really do love bukkake over there....

    2. Re:CUM satellite ?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did Peter Northrop-Grumman consult on it? LOL - I saw that too. Cum satellite?

    3. Re:CUM satellite ?? by doubleplusungodly · · Score: 1

      Well, they really do love bukkake over there....

      Wrong country.

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    4. Re:CUM satellite ?? by fa2k · · Score: 1

      I just launched a cum satellite into your mother yesterday

    5. Re:CUM satellite ?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately due to your tiny launch missile it only dribbled onto her stomach.

    6. Re:CUM satellite ?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For non-native English speakers (like me), it's actually a correct ejaculation, meaning "with" or "combined with" ( http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cum?s=t )

    7. Re:CUM satellite ?? by camperdave · · Score: 1

      ... it's actually a correct ejaculation...

      For a non-native English speaker, you've got a wicked sense of the pun.

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    8. Re:CUM satellite ?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      oh god....I cant breathe!

  7. Bill O. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OMG!!!! LIBURUL!!1!1!!

  8. what it does by PTBarnum · · Score: 5, Informative

    Apparently people will be able to upload messages to be flashed in Morse code by LEDs on the satellite. So it actually does do something. I'm skeptical about how easy it will be to see the LEDs from Earth, though.

    1. Re:what it does by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      maybe one of you guys will hack it to propose to your geek girlfriend via morse code.

    2. Re:what it does by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeahhh but how many seconds will this LED flashing thing work before the electronics are destroyed by the sun's devastating radiation? I doubt he has the kind of shielding NASA uses if it cost him just $400 to build.

    3. Re:what it does by SoupGuru · · Score: 1

      Yeah, the wording of the summary needs help and TFA doesn't bring it up until the last paragraph.

      It's "scientifically" useless but still a pretty neat idea

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    4. Re:what it does by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They better hope their right hand isn't tired with a headache that night.

    5. Re:what it does by hackertourist · · Score: 1

      Oh, it'll be visible all right. He's using scavenged consumer electronics. There's bound to be some sears-your-eyeballs blue LEDs in there.

    6. Re:what it does by TheSync · · Score: 1

      Here are some "typical" luminously intense LEDs, 45 candela requiring 3.4W. Typical LEO is 200km. lux=candela/(distance^2) = 1.125e-9. Magnitude = -2.5 * log(lux) - 14.2 = 8.17

      Generally stars with magnitude > 7 are not considered visible.

      Compare with Sirius, at m = -1.6, gives 9.2e-6 lux.

      If you gang together a bunch of those 45 candela LEDs, you might have something. Magnitude 7 is reached at three of them. 10 of them would get you magnitude 5.6, around the magnitude of the spiral galaxy M33 (used as a test for naked eye seeing under dark skies).

      OK so I found a ~2000cd LED (6000 lumens over 115 degrees), it would need 60W @ 3.15A to do this. That gives you Magnitude 4.

      Of the seven brightest stars in Ursa Minor, the dimest three are magnitude 4 to 5.

      So as they say on MythBusters, "Plausible".

      Not sure if you can blow 60W for long on a small satellite though...

    7. Re:what it does by gagol · · Score: 1

      If the orbit is low enough, radion protection is not much of an issue... This also indicates the orbit will decay quite fast. This is the first ephemeral art installation in orbit. But that dont make it less stupid. 100K can feed many hungry homeless... that says a lot about our priorities and values.

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    8. Re:what it does by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You'll see it very clearly when it comes crashing through your roof.

    9. Re:what it does by jfengel · · Score: 1

      Interesting analysis. Thanks.

      I don't think you're going to get long at 60W. A good LiIon battery might give you 600 kJ/kg. If he gets to put up one kilogram, he'll get about three hours out of it, and that's a really optimistic estimate.

    10. Re:what it does by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For a cubesat of a max allowable mass of 1.33 kg, there is not much room left for a battery. Also, with the cube being appoximately 10*10*10 cm, there is not much surface area for solar panels, probably giving much closer to 1 W than 60. Additionally, with a propulsion system almost entirely out of the question, there would be no way to adjust the position and attitude of the cubesat so that it will literally be tumbling along its orbit upon release from its pod. So, without there being a continuous line of sight between the earth and any one given surface of the satellite containing LEDs, it is practically imposible read a moorse code message even with a powerful telescope.

  9. A little excessive by cowboy76Spain · · Score: 1

    Most artists, when something as dull as that, just dissasemble it/store it in the basement.

    No need to use a space rocket to dispose of it.

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  10. good use of a limited resource by frovingslosh · · Score: 2

    It is certainly important to let and fund anyone who wants to call their self an "artist" to put junk into orbit. And far better to let this jerk, I mean artist, use the funds and the launch space to feel good about himself than to actually put micro-sats or other useful technology into space. After all, they are only designed and built by mere scientists, not artists.

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    1. Re:good use of a limited resource by CaptainLard · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah someone should tell this guy that space is only for the defense industry, telecoms, and maybe tiny bit o' NASA. If more people start doing crap like this its just going to lead to expanded launch capacities and a whole new range of non-techie types getting interested in space. Only a jerk would try to put a satellite in orbit that conceivably anyone can use. /(sarcasm and assuming decaying orbit or other space junk mitigation)

    2. Re:good use of a limited resource by knigitz · · Score: 0

      Maybe we can start sending all our junk into space and right towards the sun. Clean the planet.

  11. Bah, postmodern art by chebucto · · Score: 2

    Why not take an empty canvas and put it on the wall? Or drive around for half a day collecting random crap, then toss it all in a public square - call it a sculpture and a 'statement'.

    Funny

    In all seriousness, there really should be a different word for these pomo conceptual people. Art has to have _some_ beauty in it, doesn't it? It _has_ to require talent beyond the everyday, doesn't it?

    We should be able to expand art beyond renaissance-era landscapes and portraits using oil-on-canvas without debasing the term 'art' to cover everything. It make the term useless, just like some people are doing to hacking: ever since everything requiring the smallest modicum of... time? became hacking, every douchebag with time on his hands has felt welcome at HOPE, but at the same time a unique group has been diluted to nothing: something has been lost.

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    1. Re:Bah, postmodern art by CaptainLard · · Score: 0

      It _has_ to require talent beyond the everyday, doesn't it?

      How many transceivers have YOU built from spare parts that are capable of receiving a message in orbit? Sure these days its probably not that difficult for a EE but its still not something you see everyday.

    2. Re:Bah, postmodern art by chebucto · · Score: 1

      That's find for this guy, but what about the vast swath of conceptual artists that produce technically dead-simple works - hanging sheets in odd ways, scrap metal randomly arranged, etc.

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    3. Re:Bah, postmodern art by CaptainLard · · Score: 1

      Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, friend. I'd imagine that those scrap metalers have some idea what they are trying to do and some people might think the design is cool or even feel emotions other than apathy. It takes quite a bit of work to see a vision through to completion, even if it is just covering a huge canvas in blue paint and putting a dot in the middle. But they can't all be winners. Plus, you get the last laugh because "starving artist" is a term based on reality.

    4. Re:Bah, postmodern art by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      I can't tell where the satire and seriousness of your post is.

      The onion cartoons are parodies of cartoons, you can tell because art grants are not budget crippling.

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    5. Re:Bah, postmodern art by chebucto · · Score: 1

      The satire is in the link labeled 'Funny'. And in the (hopefully clearly) ridiculous suggestion just above it.

      The serious part comes after the words "In all seriousness".

      HTH.

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    6. Re:Bah, postmodern art by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      Thanks,

      My reading of the cartoon is that the modern art is valid artistic expression though, seemingly contrary to your suggestion, thus the confusion.

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    7. Re:Bah, postmodern art by chebucto · · Score: 1

      I linked to the cartoon because it gave a comically exaggerated vision of the non-artist artist. I agree with your reading of it, and indeed agree with the cartoon - art should be funded, it doesn't cost much, and not all non-traditional artists are 'sickos' that use odd materials to create their works.

      Honestly, I'm confused about the subject as well - it's impossible to draw a clear line between what is and isn't 'art'. It really is true that some things take time to be accepted and understood by the general population; some of the out-there stuff of today will be loved tomorrow. But I still think there is a disconnect between pomo/conceptual art and beauty, and I think that is a problem. If you want to make a statement, take out a pad of paper and write. If you want to make art, make art. A can of artists' feces or a ripped canvas aren't beautiful, and may be useful as a prop in the ongoing debate about what art is, but are not themselves art.

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    8. Re:Bah, postmodern art by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      It _has_ to require talent beyond the everyday, doesn't it?

      Says who? Jackson Pollock was regularly derided for doing abstract work that people claimed their children could do better. Pollock's works sell in the millions when they sell.

      Any Warhol painted soup cans.

      Art is in the eye of the beholder, and is almost entirely subjective. People who try to define what constitutes are are mostly missing the point -- you don't have to like it, get it, appreciate it, or respect it. There is no uniform definition of it.

      At the end of the day, what you and I think constitutes "art" is irrelevant. People have sold cans of shit before -- and the last time that sold, it was over 100,000 pounds.

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    9. Re:Bah, postmodern art by HapSlappy_2222 · · Score: 1

      I think your quote is quite apropos in this case.

      Art is simply creation; anything created with an intent to capture a feeling, or a moment, or perform a feat, or any other "stamp" on existence is "art". That said, art that is typically considered "good" is aesthetic, evokes emotion, and makes a statement. There are, of course, many ideas on what makes art "good", but artistic creations are the ultimate form of "if you don't like it, don't view it."

      Lastly, you can get into realms where things are offensive, dangerous, or downright obscene, and projects like this are often started for that sole reaction in the overall population. To me, that isn't art, though to others, it just may be. It'll never be an easy thing to determine.

      I agree with you that some things simply don't take much talent or artistic creativity, but narrowing the definition of the word "art" would be like changing the word "life" or "up". Art is a very, very broad term for a reason.

    10. Re:Bah, postmodern art by chebucto · · Score: 2

      If what you and I - and everyone else - thinks constitutes 'art' is irrelevant, then 'art' has no meaning.

      Going by your examples, 'art' is something that (a) is called art, and (b) sells.

      My feeling is that Pollock, Warhol, and the merda d'artista will all fairly soon lose all pretense of being art. If you dropped any of them in front of someone from 1,000 years ago or 1,000 years from now - someone who didn't know the context - they would think it was a random mess, a simple reproduction, or disgusting. Compare that with a work of one of the masters: although they were done hundreds of years ago, they are still beautiful, and moreover there is an intrinsic beauty that is understandable without knowing the context.

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    11. Re:Bah, postmodern art by horigath · · Score: 1

      Some art is bad. Doesn't make it not art.

      I understand that many people don't like projects like this. That's fine. Others might disagree. But no matter what—there's no reason to insult the entire discipline because you don't like one project.

      As an artist whose work is very different than this, I still can't help but be disgusted every time I see someone talking about "artists" in quotes, or with an extra "e" on the end (as they do elsewhere in this discussion), or making silly comments about blank canvases and reductive caricatures of conceptual art and uneducated statements about what art "has" to do—that's actually the position that the onion comment is making fun of: the conservative assertion that inauthentic "crap" art and artists are damaging society (in a classic moral formation as "sicko painters" and in a contemporary misguided-fiscal-conservatism way).

      Even if those imperative statements were unproblematically true, they still wouldn't answer the just-this-side-of-trollish questions at the top. Why not drive around for half a day collecting random crap, then toss it all in a public square? What if that was beautiful?

    12. Re:Bah, postmodern art by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Going by your examples, 'art' is something that (a) is called art, and (b) sells.

      That's exactly what I'm saying, with the proviso that it doesn't actually have to sell (but selling it might help get it called art). There truly is no objective standard for what constitutes art that holds up to much. Hell, some art never gets seen by others, or is transitory in nature, or is just plain weird -- like Yoko Ono or Andy Kaufman. ;-)

      If you dropped any of them in front of someone from 1,000 years ago or 1,000 years from now - someone who didn't know the context - they would think it was a random mess, a simple reproduction, or disgusting.

      No, but it's the context and the history of it that contribute to its value. By now there's only a small number of tins of merda 'dartista, so their value is worth more to people who assign value to it.

      Compare that with a work of one of the masters

      Again, highly subjective ... I find many of the old masters are boring, long since cliched, and over-rated. I can't even figure out WTF Picasso was all about, and I've seen some surrealist stuff that gave me the willies -- but, I'm not going to say it isn't art. It's just not art that I'm into.

      In some circles, a man peeing into a rubber boot could be considered art (and, no, I have no idea if that's been done or not) -- not everyone will agree on its merits. But to someone, for whatever reason, it might be considered art.

      I don't think art needs to be rigidly defined like that. And I'm not convinced it can be with enough rigor to bother.

      Personally, I think selling cans of your own shit is more of a statement about what passes for art than almost anything else. I think it's nasty, but he did manage to convince people to buy it.

      In the end, though, it's kind of like "post-modernism", where people have submitted computer generated papers and nobody could tell the difference -- if you can convince the intelligencia that something cool is happening, does it become art? Likewise, some folk art looks like something made by a 3 year old, but people collect that stuff too, and can actually pay a lot of money for it.

      Hell, I could probably put a butt-plug on a pedestal with a picture of Lindsey Lohan on it, and call it social commentary about how we have pop culture rammed up our asses. Someone would laugh at it, thereby validating it as art. ;-)

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    13. Re:Bah, postmodern art by chebucto · · Score: 2

      Some art is very bad: merda d'artista, or the dadist urinal, for example. Blank canvases of a sort do exist. They are a trope because they exemplify negative aspects of conceptual art.

      It is one thing if you think 'art' should be defined broadly, as "act of creativity" or something similar: but you must accept, with that broad definition, a dilution of esteem, and jokes at your expense. Cans of shit? We are expected to keep a straight face? Correct me if I'm wrong, but a lot of the works like medra wer made to challenge the definition of art: didn't the creator therefore leave open the possibility that merda and its ilk are _not_ art?

      If engineers took that approach, and defined engineering as "the application of science" with no conditions regarding safety, practicality, economics, or usefulness, you would end up with half-built bridges and crumbling roadways, with a satisfied-looking fellow at the end saying "I am an engineer. Admire my work or do not, but at least accord me some respect". It is the restrictions that the discipline puts on itself that helps it create such wonderful works. The same can be true about art: define it narrowly, or at least give it some bounds, and you will get better quality.

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    14. Re:Bah, postmodern art by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      I think motivation has a lot to do with this.

      I actually think sending a worthless thing into space could be a great comment on the waste of space programs for example (not one i agree with, but a very valid way to express it through artistic expression).

      If it's grandstanding for attention, then it's really no more artistic than throwing a tantrum.

      By those standards though, most of art throughout history isn't particularly artistic (often times being a substitute for what I snap with my camera when visiting people).

      Also, not going to RTFA...

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    15. Re:Bah, postmodern art by chebucto · · Score: 1

      I think you do a good job of enunciating the current definition of art: creation with intent to capture feeling. And the distinction between simple art and 'good art' is one I'd be happy with. Defining what's good and isn't is still a challenge, but in the end there has to be a value judgement placing, say, Monet's works above a single-coloured canvas.

      By this definition, all works of art are intrinsically defensible in that the individuals have a right to creativity ('speech'). But, all works of art are not intrinsically worthwhile or deserving of respect.

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    16. Re:Bah, postmodern art by horigath · · Score: 1

      Cans of shit? We are expected to keep a straight face?

      What does keeping a straight face have to do with art?

      Please don't try to educate me about conceptual art. Maybe instead of telling us about your magic power to determine what art is objectively the best, you should educate yourself about why many people who love art disagree with you.

    17. Re:Bah, postmodern art by markjhood2003 · · Score: 1

      Dang if you don't sound exactly like my grandmother complaining about those no-talent Beatles and any jazz artist younger than Artie Shaw.

      I doubt that there is any such thing as "intrinsic" beauty and art devoid of cultural context. Art is one of the things that defines a culture. Due to the hegemony of classic Western ideals, most people are familiar with the conventions of representational art as practiced by the ancient Greek and Roman sculptors and the painters of the Renaissance and Enlightenment, so most of us can relate to it and experience it as beautiful.

      It doesn't necessarily make sense or look beautiful to someone growing up in a non-Western culture where aesthetics might not be as strongly influenced by a reductionist point of view that can find beauty in compositional rules based on the ratios of small integers. They may not appreciate the skill that it takes to project a three-dimensional scene onto a two-dimensional canvas and the acute observation it takes to emulate the effect of lighting on a variety of surfaces, because such values are not important in their culture.

      Abstract art doesn't make sense to a lot of people because it doesn't try to represent anything; it's just itself, the paint and the canvas and the actions of the painter that brought it into being. It was the product of a culture that was reacting to and trying to move beyond the idea of painting as a skillful representation of something else. It can be ugly or meaningless to someone attached to classical art, but to claim the opposite, that the work of the old masters is intrinsically more beautiful, I think is mistaken.

    18. Re:Bah, postmodern art by chebucto · · Score: 1

      What does keeping a straight face have to do with art? Nothing, unless the goal of the artist wasn't comedy.

      I apologize if it appeared I was trying to lecture you. My only goal was to converse. I don't claim any magic powers to determine what is objectively the best; I only propose that not everything that is called art is art, and that adopting such a position devalues the term.

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    19. Re:Bah, postmodern art by Lucractius · · Score: 1

      Hell, I could probably put a butt-plug on a pedestal with a picture of Lindsey Lohan on it, and call it social commentary about how we have pop culture rammed up our asses. Someone would laugh at it, thereby validating it as art. ;-)

      I'd call it art. But i dont think people should pay $10k for it, nor does it belong in a museum.

      And following on. does the entire icanhascheezeburger network of websites count as art in your mind?
      Can an artist make something & never show it, and have it still considered art? (can the status of something as art be bestowed in absentia of the article itself?)

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    20. Re:Bah, postmodern art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But they're not selling art. They're selling short stories! The BS they told you so that you would be in the right frame of mind to buy something a child could have conceived and a high schooler could execute perfectly.

      At best, it's meta-art, because the purpose isn't to make you think about the question, "what is life," but to make you think about the question, "What is art," which I suppose is something that other artists might appreciate, but the rest of us are only fooling ourselves if we think we can (or even should) enjoy it.

      Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but only the beholder should pay for it. Spending $1.5 Million dollars on a Jackson Pollock isn't the purchase of a painting. It's actually a performance piece which includes the you paying an absurd price tag!

    21. Re:Bah, postmodern art by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      I'd call it art. But i dont think people should pay $10k for it, nor does it belong in a museum.

      Now there's an understatement, but if you go to a modern art museum, you might be surprised at some of the stuff you see -- some of it is creepy, some of it just plain bizarre, and some you're not really sure it's art (I once saw a piece that was the caution wet floor sign and a mop and bucket -- took me several minutes to realize it was being placed out as art).

      And following on. does the entire icanhascheezeburger network of websites count as art in your mind?

      Not necessarily good art, possibly quite derivative, but why not? Some of them are amusing and a little interesting. Most of them are pretty trite, but a few here and there are somewhat artistic.

      Can an artist make something & never show it, and have it still considered art?

      I have stumbled on faces carved in trees quite far off the beaten track. I've seen inukshuk stuck out in the middle of nowhere. There have been never before seen paintings of great artists which have been discovered. People sometimes make amazing sketches they then tear up or never let anybody see. I'm not sure art always needs an observer.

      I'm not saying everything everybody does is 'art', but I'm saying the dividing line can be fuzzy, and almost entirely subjective. One man's stupid cat pictures is another man's art. :-P

      Do you judge by objective criteria? Intent? Affect? Do you judge by commercial or critical success? How many people saw it? It's bordering on metaphysics in some ways, so to me it's one of those things that falls apart the more you try to figure it out.

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  12. "cum satellite"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    do not want.

  13. It made me laugh by rbanzai · · Score: 1

    I don't know much about art but the idea of someone launching random street junk into space as a "satellite" made me laugh, and I think a big part of art is about provoking a reaction.

  14. proof we need to stop copyright by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    proof we need to take money away from idiots

    1. Re:proof we need to stop copyright by Sulphur · · Score: 1

      proof we need to take money away from idiots

      They're working on it, but they are having trouble identifying idiots. They are taking it from everybody instead.

  15. Engrish title? by cpu6502 · · Score: 1

    Shouldn't it be Korean Artist [to Launch]Intentionally Useless Satellite

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    1. Re:Engrish title? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe, maybe not. But the original title was perfectly cromulent English.

  16. ATTN NERDS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Quit hating. You do worse daily.

  17. Bummer by chihowa · · Score: 1

    Too bad we can't put an actual functional amateur satellite up with that launch fee. It's weird that he even made it look like a real satellite. Why not actually put a real satellite up or at least some crazy fantasy design (that's no ping pong ball!).

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    1. Re:Bummer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      amateur radio people have been putting satellites in space for years.

      this slashdot article is extremely misleading. even worse than usual.

      the satellite is functional, it does something. not very much, but it's not just space junk.

      in 2012, Slashdot FUDs YOU.

  18. Re:First Intentionally Useless Post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I will pay you $100,000,000 for the copyright to your post, linux_tom.

    As a collector, I've identified it as one of the first examples of an intentionally useless post on an internet forum.

    Indeed, I find it to be a contemporary reponse to sensualise a holistic signifier without making light of the transforming images seen only as musical moods of the abstract expressionists. The viewer is allowed to morph an intuitive presence which can logically only lead to a deeper venerating psuedo-sculptures usually seen as output of the sequence. This work attempts to encapsulate a collaborative void without ever quite fully transforming interventions often seen as musical moods of the neo-con dadaists. Indeed, it must be an exploration to de-objectify a respective signifier whilst not exaggerating concentrations often seen as excrement of the fluxus movement.

    $100 million is a small price to pay for such a sui generis work.

  19. More interesting than the payload by Stirling+Newberry · · Score: 1

    is getting it into orbit for that little.

  20. Please DOn't Launch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I love the concept and I love the satellite. It is beautiful. What I don't love is actually burning the rocket fuel to launch it into orbit where it will never be seen again. Please skip the last part; it detracts much more from the project than it adds. Keep the project in a perpetual state of acquiring massive amounts of funding to launch it into space, but never do it. Spend the money on top ramen for the homeless instead.

    If this satellite is launched, I might try to do one too. However, mine will contain something that I won't tell anyone about before launch: It'll open up and unfurl unto a net with as large a profile as possible.

    1. Re:Please DOn't Launch by Jeng · · Score: 1

      Please skip the last part; it detracts much more from the project than it adds.

      Without a launch the project is even more pointless.

      Harold Crick must die.

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  21. cum satellite? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "the upcoming launch of an art project cum satellite" WTF?

    1. Re:cum satellite? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cum An English linking word, derived from the Latin word for 'with.' It is used in many place names in England as well as in everyday English - e.g. Prestwich-cum-Oldham

      was that so hard? does your generation really think you're so smart for omitting printed literature?

    2. Re:cum satellite? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would you want to print something if it's already on your screen? Does your generation think it's so smart for wasting paper?

  22. Don't You Wish.. by fm6 · · Score: 1

    You had parents who would lay out $100K just so you can do an attention-getting stunt?

  23. Useless satellite? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So they are going to orbit a kardashian?

  24. Some kids in the future... by gshegosh · · Score: 1

    ...will smile when Debris Section burns this piece of garbage in the atmosphere.

  25. 20 years ago... by ionymous · · Score: 1

    when I was in school, one day in English class we were handed a sheet of paper to write or draw anything we wanted to be sent up to orbit in a space time capsule. I thought it seemed like a bad idea to put things in orbit that don't need to be there, so I drew a picture of Earth with a bunch of garbage cans, garbage bags, and debris floating around it. I wish I could see that picture I drew. Google helped me determine the program was called SpaceArc and the messages were carried to orbit on tape in the DirecTV 2 satellite in 1994. But I wish the contents of the tape were available for viewing online.

  26. Re:First Intentionally Useless Post by Sentrion · · Score: 0

    Too bad this thread is off-topic. I wish I could mod you +5 funny.

  27. nice thought but pointless by frovingslosh · · Score: 2

    Unfortunately, we don't have any weapons that would make it simply not exist, only ones that would break it into lots of small, harder to deal with pieces. Better to target the "artist".

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  28. A good deal by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 1

    This is a bargain as far as useless satellites go.

    At only $100,400, it's about six orders of magnitude cheaper than the International Space Station.

  29. No wifi module? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gee, if he bought a wifi module, and a video cam - he could transmit the satellite moving through space
    at least it would have done something

    1. Re:No wifi module? by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      If it had done something it wouldn't be art! /sarcasm

  30. Why the fuck do you care? by pavon · · Score: 1

    It is certainly important to let and fund anyone who wants to call their self an "artist" to put junk into orbit. And far better to let this jerk, I mean artist, use the funds and the launch space to feel good about himself than to actually put micro-sats or other useful technology into space.

    He didn't use your money, or any government funding, or force anyone to donate who didn't want to. Who are you to dictate how others choose to spend their resources?

    1. Re:Why the fuck do you care? by PPalmgren · · Score: 1

      Because space junk in lower orbits is a real problem. You get too much useless debris in space flying around the earth at thousands of miles an hour without known locations, you can't launch and get off this rock because launching a shuttle is like crossing the jersey turnpike during rush hour.

    2. Re:Why the fuck do you care? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm the goddamn Batman!

      And I don't approve of so called "art" that seems to be the space-equivalent of making a huge raft out of trash, birth control pills, heavy metals and anything that's dangerous to baby seals, and then floating it out into the middle of the ocean... where it can float for a long time letting geeks blink messages on leds from it.

      Seriously, we have a trash-problem in orbit at several levels. Already. It's getting pretty crowded in some places. I don't mind giving scientists their room up there, hell, I encourage it.. but artists? They can stay the fuck in their galleries, or in places where they can actually clean up after themselves.

      Of course if he's planning to go up there with a trashbag and bring it back down for recycling, or track it's decaying orbit and pick up any waste it leaves as it hits if he launches it incompetently, then I'm fine with it.

    3. Re:Why the fuck do you care? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who are you to dictate how others choose to spend their resources?

      Exactly! If someone wants to buy $100,000 worth of thumbtacks to spread out on the nearby freeways or pink plastic to cover an entire island and everything alive on it, who am I to complain?

  31. Mod parent down. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're a moron, broski.

  32. Not that different from ardusat by PhamNguyen · · Score: 1

    This isn't that different from Ardusat, just different branding. Neither is actually useful, but one is branded as "art" while the other is branded as "educational".

    1. Re:Not that different from ardusat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it used to be that smart people liked art.

      perhaps that was because they knew how to interpret it.

      nowadays many smart people treat art like dumb people do, as if it were a dumb thing that they can't get anything out of.

      their loss, i guess

  33. I get it! It's waste of space AND it's space junk! by denzacar · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I am really, really trying to find some kind of justification for this "art" project and I'm coming up with bupkis.
    OK... It does nothing scientific. But it does nothing artistic either.
    It's about as artistic as painting a rock and dumping in the Marianas Trench.
    For something to be considered art, it has to be able to communicate to other humans a message beyond just its own physical existence.

    This satellite is supposed to send messages transmitted to it by blinking its LEDs and "People will be able to see the blinking lights with the naked eye or through a telescope".
    Visible from the Earth's surface. With naked eye. LEDs. A 10x10x10 cm cube. Hanging in low Earth orbit. 600-2000 km from the surface. Right.

    I can't really be bothered to look it up, but something tells me that you can't really see a 10 cm cube, 600-2000 km away, with an amateur telescope.
    Besides, shouldn't Inter-Agency Space Debris Coordination Committee (IADC) "ground" this project?

    Also, WTF is "Science is Fantasy" supposed to mean?
    That science is unattainable and/or imaginary? Not real? With no real function or application?
    Just dumping that "is" and it would make SOME sense. Or reversing the order of words in the sentence.
    This... this is just half-thought through crap.

    All I see here is rich, privileged parents, buying their rich, privileged, spoiled kid his 15 minutes of fame since he can't get there with his own effort and talent.

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  34. Irony by element-o.p. · · Score: 1

    Link at the bottom of TFA: http://inhabitat.com/nasa-solar-powered-micro-satellite-will-clean-space-debris/

    Also, I initially was thinking how it was kind of cool that he was able to build a satellite that he actually intends to launch, even if it's not especially useful. C'mon, how many of us started coding with "Hello World" programs? IMHO, this is kind of like that.

    Then I RTFA'd (don't revoke my /. membership card!). Maybe it's just the author's tone and Song really is a cool guy, but in the article, he just came off...kinda pretentious, y'know? <shrug> Whatever. As others have noted, it will probably deorbit soon enough, and if he can drum up $100K to launch the thing, more power to him, I guess.

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  35. Crunchy space junk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just what we need, launching useless junk to make Earth orbit more dangerous.

  36. What about performance art? by Sentrion · · Score: 2

    I have an even better art project. Find some POS art project that is a total waste of time and money, steal it, and smash it to pieces as performance art before it gets off the ground. Then I'll post the footage on youtube and let viewers try to decide what message I was trying to convey in my performance.

    Seriously, this kind of crap is why I have much disdain for avant-garde, modern, and 'contemporary' art. In general, most of these types of artists tend to be on the far left of the political spectrum (which is ok, but...), they denounce poverty, pollution, and destruction of our environment. But how much destruction is from paint chemicals leaking into ground water? How many starving or improvrished people could be rescued from the grants paid to these "inspiring" artists? How many HFH homes could have been built with the labor and talent of our academic and intellectual leaders of the art world? I don't want to deny them their fun, and I don't know the political views of this artist, but I think we have all seen what I have described.

    As non-artists, non-academics, and non-elites we have been conditioned to believe that we just don't have the intellectual capacity to understand the significance and importance of their great work. All told, most of the "new" art movements from the past 150 years have been a byproduct of delusional, paranoid schizophrenia or other mental illnesses. When crazy people connect with other crazy people, finding someone with the same delusions reinforces their belief that they do not have a mental illness but some profound insight into the nature of the Universe. So we have today an oligarchy of mentally ill cultural elites to whom the rest of the masses aim to aspire to in their aesthetic endeavors, not much unlike the inbred aristocracy that was convinced that they were owed special status in life due to their pedigree. Fortunately a few revolutions (France, America) eventually forced the aristocrats to take a back seat to productive citizens who now set their own destiny, banishing royal life to the back pages of gossip tabloids, somewhere behind part-cow/part-alien boy and the ghost of Michael Jackson. It would be nice one day to see mainstream non-art academics, financiers and art endowments wake up to a revolution of their own to refer these jokers to a different "institution".

  37. Space junk by Bert64 · · Score: 2

    Great, just what we need, another piece of junk orbiting the planet and causing a hazard to other space missions.

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  38. Raspberry Pi Used? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought this was going to be a Raspberry Pi promotion. "And yes he was able to finish it all off with a purchase of a Raspberry Pi! for only 25$ since he didn't need the 35$ one! Raspberry Pi in space!!!!!!"

  39. One small step for man ... by briancox2 · · Score: 0

    ... one more giant leap in the increasingly insignificant field known as "The Arts". "The Arts" used to mean making something of beauty that inspired something uplifting in other people. Today it means a narcissitic exercise in avant-garde.

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  40. Its bad when an artist does it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But its perfectly fine when the militaries of the world clutter up our space with their junk, despite their promises they would never militarize space.

  41. Re:I get it! It's waste of space AND it's space ju by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 1

    Hey, it's the first attempt at space art. Weird as it might be, as long as it won't be in permanent orbit, give the guy his little fantasy.

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  42. Think Phobos Grunt by Steve1952 · · Score: 1

    The Russians had this idea first!

  43. I was wondering why this wasn't tagged Politics. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The first thought that came to mind was, "North Korea is at it again?"

    Surely Kim Jong Un has "virtuoso artiste" as part of his accomplishments.

  44. Re:I get it! It's waste of space AND it's space ju by denzacar · · Score: 1

    Well, it actually isn't the first attempt at space art.
    And it is probably not going to make things much worse as far as the space junk issue is concerned.

    Anyway, I am not about to call to a jihad against him and his pretty unimaginative project, which is more of a publicity stunt than anything else.
    But I do reserve my right to call the spade a spade - or in this case, junk and a lame attempt at fame.

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  45. ahh com on, really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Look, I'm all for letting artists do what they wanna do most of the time, but seriously. There is already several tons of garbage (read shit) from derelict equipment and satelites or other scraps. Enough so that it poses a hazard to both manned and unmanned missions if a piece of the debris should strike something. So It's bad enough sending up actually useful equipment, let alone some useless $400 dollar piece of junk(art, just mean it has no function at all). to top it off basically noone will ever see it unless they know exactly where and how to look. so this is an EPIC FAIL. especially considering the cost to launch this thing into orbit. I mean how much pollution and crap does this contribute, not that I really care. I'm more concerned with sending junk up into space that actually is junk when it's already getting quite crowded up there. It's just one extra danger to astronauts and space programs of all countries.