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Inside a Ransomware Money Machine

tsu doh nimh writes "The FBI is warning that it's getting inundated with complaints from people taken in by ransomware scams that spoof the FBI and try to scare people into paying 'fines' in lieu of going to jail for having downloaded kiddie porn or pirated content. KrebsOnSecurity.com looks inside a few of the scams in the FBI alert, and it turns out it only takes 1-3 percent of victims to pay up to make it seriously worth the fraudsters' while."

158 comments

  1. Scams by Sparticus789 · · Score: 1, Troll

    Scams are only effective if they appear to be true. Would it surprise anyone for the FBI to essentially take bribes (fines) over fake criminal charges?

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    1. Re:Scams by h4rr4r · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yes, me. I got one of these emails, but since I know that is not how the FBI operates I deleted it.

    2. Re:Scams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yes, it would surprise anyone with a brain. Basically that eliminates a huge swath of tin foilers such as yourself.

    3. Re:Scams by Trepidity · · Score: 2

      I'd at least be surprised by the FBI emailing me the offer...

    4. Re:Scams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Hell yes. Unlike some third-world countries, the justice system in this country is not corrupt. They don't just take money with no cause, despite Republican/libertarian protests that the government is running amok.

      I feel the same way about the folks trying to convince me my WOW account is banned, or that I'm somehow in violation of the Mattress Tag law.

    5. Re:Scams by CheshireDragon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Exactly. If they suspect you have kiddie pr0n they are not going to take a bribe and say 'pay up to keep us quiet.' The first time you will even hear from them they will be kicking in your front door, seize you and all your electronics.

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    6. Re:Scams by moeinvt · · Score: 1, Insightful

      "Unlike some third-world countries, the justice system in this country is not corrupt."

      I don't think they would take a bribe to make an arrest, but that doesn't mean they aren't corrupt as hell. How many well-connected elites in the financial sector have been prosecuted for fraud, forgery and perjury? The FBI issued a report in 2003 warning of an "epidemic of fraud" in the home mortgage market, yet no arrests and prosecutions? How many Bush admin officials have been prosecuted for violations of the FISA law, torture, war crimes, etc.?

      Selective enforcement of the law is corruption, and it is absolutely pervasive in our so-called "justice" system.

    7. Re:Scams by firewrought · · Score: 5, Funny

      The first time you will even hear from them they will be kicking in your front door, seize you and all your electronics.

      And it's that sort of personalized attention that makes American law enforcement the best! :O

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    8. Re:Scams by Deep+Esophagus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's why the thought that 1 to 3 percent of the targets are falling for this makes me weep for the collective intelligence of the human race.

    9. Re:Scams by cayenne8 · · Score: 2

      How many Bush admin officials have been prosecuted for violations of the FISA law, torture, war crimes, etc.?

      Same thing could be asked of the current Obama administration's officials.

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    10. Re:Scams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Shhhhh.... You can't tell anyone that Obama's terrorism policies are the exact same as Bush's.

    11. Re:Scams by ideonexus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's easy to laugh and feel superior that a small percentage of people fall for these scams, but what isn't funny is that the people falling for it are mostly senior citizens. Just yesterday my mother-in-law brought me the phone and told me, "It's somebody from Microsoft! They say our computer is infected with a virus!"

      I answered the phone and somebody with an Indian accent told me his name was "Todd Moody" and that our computer was sending error messages to Microsoft. Curious about the scam, I let him walk me through opening the application error log and trying to delete some errors from it, to which he exlaimed, "Oh no sir! You cannot delete the errors! This is very very bad! You have a very dangerous trojan virus on your computer!"

      If I hadn't been there, my mother-in-law would have handed over her credit card information no questions asked. In fact, my father-in-law had done this in the past. One day I'm going to be a senior citizen and my bullshit detector is going to stop working like it does for everyone else. The Federal Government should be putting a stop to this predatory scumbaggery with extreme prejudice.

      When you see this crap, do your civic duty and report it.

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    12. Re:Scams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here, i once recorded just that:
      http://barrystaes.nl/scambait/

      I hope it can be of any use to someone..

    13. Re:Scams by ePhil_One · · Score: 2

      One day I'm going to be a senior citizen and my bullshit detector is going to stop working like it does for everyone else

      Its not that it stops working, its just that its misaligned. You know MS would not call you directly, but Grandma doesn't. The rules we know to protect ourselves are completely alien to someone not immersed in the culture.

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    14. Re:Scams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I got a call like this on the first of April this year.

      Worst April Fool's Day joke ever.

    15. Re:Scams by Carnildo · · Score: 1

      When you see this crap, do your civic duty and report it.

      Why bother? These guys are usually working from countries where the FBI can't touch them. I prefer to play along, doing my best "cheerfully clueless tech-support caller" impersonation. I got the best results by using Win98 and a 101-key keyboard: it took them half an hour to figure out why their directions weren't working, which I'm sure did more damage to their bottom line than any number of complaints to the feds.

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    16. Re:Scams by PPH · · Score: 1

      Unlike some third-world countries, the justice system in this country is not corrupt.

      Its called prosecutorial or enforcement discretion. Both sides make use of it, whether to overlook immigration violations or DoD contractor fraud.

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    17. Re:Scams by KingBenny · · Score: 1

      mh, sounds like the fbi needs to waste a little less on preventive scanning of everything and spend a little more on educating people maybe
      like cheshiredragon here below says, they're not gonna send you a polite trollmail to please pay up.
      i myself used to get a lot of spoofed mails from what looked like my own info@ address trying to sell me viagra and rolexes, just opening up the body showed they bounced all the way from pakistan or somewhere in africa

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    18. Re:Scams by nobodie · · Score: 1

      Story a few months in the past (oh how quickly you forget) about how Nigerian 419 scammers actually continue to use the same tired old tropes on purpose. Their reasoning is that they will not be able to hook in people who can see through their scam, so it is a waste of time and resources to attract their attention. Better to look for that tiny group of people who, for one reason or another, lacks the reality filters to recognize them as scammers and put their time and effort into those poor fools. Thus, the people who will be tricked by an obviously false scam from a phony FBI site is exactly the patsy they are looking for. You (or I hope I) would never be their target to begin with.

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  2. Hah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    My buddy got one of those from watching waaaaayy too much porn, and actually called the FBI who told him it was a virus.

    What it does is lock your screen with an FBI logo and official-looking message, even displaying the output from the webcam if there is one, saying that unless the mark pays $200 or so using a Bitcoin-like form of payment one can get at convenient stores, the user will be arrested for downloading CP and/or "copyrighted material." Certain keys are locked, obviously, so you can't do the 3-finger salute and kill it with the task manager.

    A boot into safe mode and a little MsConfig was enough to fix, though not remove, the malware.

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    1. Re:Hah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds no different from the "software" some media companies bundle with commercial products.

    2. Re:Hah! by dmomo · · Score: 4, Funny

      "my buddy"

      So, did you end up paying?

    3. Re:Hah! by hillbluffer · · Score: 3, Informative

      Here's how to get totally rid of it http://goo.gl/Av1Pm Short answer is, keep your anti-virus up to date!

    4. Re:Hah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      My buddy got one of those from watching waaaaayy too much porn

      No, your buddy got it from downloading and executing malware. You can look at an unlimited amount of porn, but if your policy is that you don't run code that you have reason to trust, then you can't get infections. Porn is still as safe as it has always been.

    5. Re:Hah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Porn-delivered Malware is about on the same level as, while looking for a hooker, being shown a rancid taco and being told it's a vagina, then sticking your dick in it.

    6. Re:Hah! by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It all depends on how well patched your browser and its plugins are...

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    7. Re:Hah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Drive-by infections are quite possible, even before one consider social engineering. Said buddy may well be one of those that insist on still using IE.

    8. Re:Hah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You imagery is so stunning, do you happen to have a newsletter I could subscribe to?

    9. Re:Hah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I tried, but I couldnt log into my T'RAIN account.

  3. Funny how it's not a scam when the lawyers do it by Nyder · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It should all be considered a scam when someone says pay up or I'll take you to court/press charges/sue/threatens you.

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  4. The best defense against scams by operagost · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The best defenses against scams are still the same:
    1. Knowing your right to due process, and
    2. Knowing proper spelling and grammar in your native language.

    I'm continually dismayed that large numbers of people (possessing enough intelligence to use a web browser) don't realize that the FBI using email or popups to demand summary payment of "fines" without due process is implausible and illegal.

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    1. Re:The best defense against scams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You'd be surprised at how ignorant folks are. Particularly older users tend to take real
      appearing emails at face value. I've told my parents to treat ALL commercial emails
      as fake, even if they are from some organization they actually do business with. Call
      the organization 800 number, go to the web page directly (not via "links" in the email). Yes,
      it is a pain/loss of functionality, but so is getting taken, and ignoring them all ends up being the safer
      approach... The above policy started after they got one of the fake anti-virus trojans...

    2. Re:The best defense against scams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Give them a few years. Right now, some bureaucrat is thinking, "This would be a great revenue enhancer. How do I implement this?"

    3. Re:The best defense against scams by dkleinsc · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There's a couple more rules of thumb that help:
      1. It's much harder to cheat an honest person. For example, if you don't download kiddie porn, it's very hard to get you to pay a fine to avoid trials for doing so. The Nigerian prince scam worked only on people who were willing to help somebody commit money laundering.
      2. If it seems fishy, it's a scam. Anyone saying "money for nothing" (who's not a member of Dire Straits) should be suspect.

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    4. Re:The best defense against scams by sl4shd0rk · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm continually dismayed that large numbers of people--

      Oh, so many ways to finish that sentence.

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    5. Re:The best defense against scams by AwesomeMcgee · · Score: 2

      I suspect Dire Straits, to be sure this whole thing wreaks of them.

    6. Re:The best defense against scams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh yes they are. If you think otherwise you don't know much about government, do you? These are the same people that went 'stop LIGHT cameras are a great idea, so how do we make this bring in even more money? Stop SIGN cameras!'

    7. Re:The best defense against scams by asdf7890 · · Score: 5, Interesting
      2. Knowing proper spelling and grammar in your native language.

      There have been suggestions that some of the scammers use this as a mark filter: people put off by the spelling/grammar would be unlilkely to follow through to the end anyway so put them off early so you can concentrate on the others. People who fall for the scam despite the presentation are better quality marks and more more likely to pay out (either because they have done something wrong and are feeling guilty, or because they don't speak the language well enough to spot the telltail problems, or simply because they are just plain thick).

      Though I think it more likely that the simpler explanation (most of the scammers simply fail to create a good presentation in the target language) is more likely at least in most cases.

    8. Re:The best defense against scams by RivenAleem · · Score: 1

      The spelling and grammar mistakes in there are intentional. They want intelligent people to immediately dismiss the scam for what it is and move on. They don't want them to follow up and call the FBI to find out what it is about.

      Someone who is fooled by poor spelling and grammar will likely also fall for the scam itself.

    9. Re:The best defense against scams by Canazza · · Score: 4, Funny

      I got an email saying they'd pay me a million dollars if I helped some arab guy transfer his money.

      Sultan of Swing or something.

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    10. Re:The best defense against scams by dkleinsc · · Score: 1

      Sure it wasn't for Sheik Yerbouti?

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    11. Re:The best defense against scams by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The best defenses against scams are still the same: 1. Knowing your right to due process, and 2. Knowing proper spelling and grammar in your native language.

      I'm continually dismayed that large numbers of people (possessing enough intelligence to use a web browser) don't realize that the FBI using email or popups to demand summary payment of "fines" without due process is implausible and illegal.

      As an American, I will shamefully explain why this kind of thing would work here. First of all, I have noticed a big uptick in the number of people with conservative political affiliations who have an irrational distrust and hatred for governments in general and the US government in particular. Such people do not know anything about due process and they believe every negative story they hear about "big government". They'll easily believe that the FBI would contact people this way.

      Second, just from reading Slashdot it's become clear to me to that the educational system in every English speaking country, yes every one of them, has completely failed its students and nobody anywhere in the English speaking world learns spelling and grammar any more. People think that "prolly" is a real word. People now think that anytime something puzzles you, you just need to add a question mark to it (ie. "I have no idea why the soap was on sale in the store for 25 cents?"). If anything I'm actually a little encouraged that only 3% or so of "victims" are falling for this. I would probably have guessed it would be at least 10%.

    12. Re:The best defense against scams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a couple more rules of thumb that help: 1. It's much harder to cheat an honest person. For example, if you don't download kiddie porn, it's very hard to get you to pay a fine to avoid trials for doing so. The Nigerian prince scam worked only on people who were willing to help somebody commit money laundering. 2. If it seems fishy, it's a scam. Anyone saying "money for nothing" (who's not a member of Dire Straits) should be suspect.

      Righto! cf. http://www.419eater.com/

    13. Re:The best defense against scams by Hatta · · Score: 3, Funny

      The Nigerian prince scam worked only on people who were willing to help somebody commit money laundering.

      I think the Nigerian prince scam works only on people who are too stupid to understand what money laundering is.

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    14. Re:The best defense against scams by bobthesungeek76036 · · Score: 0

      I'm continually dismayed that large numbers of people (possessing enough intelligence to use a web browser) don't realize that the FBI using email or popups to demand summary payment of "fines" without due process is implausible and illegal.

      Just about everyone that watches WWE and has a computer would fall into that category...

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    15. Re:The best defense against scams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      same thing with those cop-less speed traps. If you going above a certain speed over the limit. *click* and now a ticket in the mail.
      I wouldn't put it by them to start setting them up in key areas to take pictures of folks in the front seats and then determine if you are wearing a seat belt. No seat belt...ticket in the mail.

    16. Re:The best defense against scams by CastrTroy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I've heard the Nigerian prince scam is designed to be quite unbelievable because they don't want to waste their time with people who have any kind of common sense. It's too hard to get money from people with common sense. I think the same goes for this type of scam. Target enough people and you'll eventually fall upon somebody who watches kiddie porn. And that person will be easy to get money out of, because they'd rather pay money than face the other consequences.

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    17. Re:The best defense against scams by Algae_94 · · Score: 1

      Now your thinking of Frank Zappa

    18. Re:The best defense against scams by sjames · · Score: 1

      Don't be so sure. Right now there are a number of police departments that receive more funding from asset forfeiture than they do from tax allocation (enough that they would function just fine without tax money). The problem is particularly severe in jurisdictions where the spoils are divided between police, court, and prosecutor's office. Meanwhile, the FBI does not enjoy a pristine reputation in general so there isn't a lot of reason to believe it incorruptible.

    19. Re:The best defense against scams by sjames · · Score: 1

      It is much harder, but not impossible. For example, it's all too believable that a police department would pursue charges on bad evidence against an innocent person. Poor grammar and spelling is also quite believable, but not as bad as the scam mails. The big giveaway though is knowing that the FBI would never use a Chinese mail server for official communication.

    20. Re:The best defense against scams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The question mark thing is great though. Intelligent people can understand the shorthand and fill in the ". Do you have an idea why soap was this price" between the last letter and the question mark and others can sound like Ron Burgundy.

      It's win-win!

    21. Re:The best defense against scams by sowth · · Score: 1

      Your post reeks of self-righteousness. Most anyone being accused of child porn would pay for charges to go away, whether they downloaded any or not. That is an extremely bad charge that could ruin a person's life even if they win the case.

      There are also plenty of Nigerian scams which are not caused by fraud on the part of the victim. For example, one where the fraudster buys something from a victim and sends a fake check for more than the amount, and asks them to deposit it and send the difference back. Most people not knowing the scam will do it.

    22. Re:The best defense against scams by jkflying · · Score: 1

      Never attribute to malice what could otherwise be blamed on incompetence...

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    23. Re:The best defense against scams by wildstoo · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'm continually dismayed that large numbers of people...

      ...exist.

    24. Re:The best defense against scams by operagost · · Score: 2

      Had to look it up in the dictionary! That was almost as embarrassing as when I got the decimal point in the wrong place. I always miss mundane details.

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    25. Re:The best defense against scams by operagost · · Score: 1

      As an American, I will shamefully explain why this kind of thing would work here. First of all, I have noticed a big uptick in the number of people with conservative political affiliations who have an irrational distrust and hatred for governments in general and the US government in particular. Such people do not know anything about due process

      OK... so your contention is that conservatives don't know about due process? I think most do quite well... indeed, they complain about anything that appears even slightly unconstitutional. Or are you saying that only left-wing people know about due process?

      and they believe every negative story they hear about "big government". They'll easily believe that the FBI would contact people this way.

      ... and they would believe it was illegal, and either disregard it or report it to their local authorities, knowing it was a violation of their rights.

      Your post just sounds like another awkward attempt to awkwardly shoehorn a political opinion into an unrelated discussion.

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    26. Re:The best defense against scams by g4sy · · Score: 1

      If anything I'm actually a little encouraged that only 3% or so of "victims" are falling for this. I would probably have guessed it would be at least 10%.

      The summary didn't say 3% fall for the scam. It takes 3% to make it profitable. Your fears might be true: perhaps 10+% are duped.
      Which is a little rediculous. If the costs for sending out email is negligible (even if you have to buy address lists) then hooking 1% or even less would be "profitable".
      Could you continue your enlightening rant on spelling and grammer into the context of reading comprehension? :)

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    27. Re:The best defense against scams by wildstoo · · Score: 1

      awkward attempt to awkwardly shoehorn a political opinion

      Would you say the awkward attempt was... awkward?

  5. I call BS, or Stupid - your choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Step 1
    Find out which binary is running which provides the ransomware message. Rename it. View the hex code and see if it connects to other files or registry entries. Keep searching and identifying the malware parts.

    Step 2
    Rename, Delete

    Step 3
    Get a scan from the free online scanners.
    Keep deleting until the ransomware and all worms and virii are gone

    Step 4
    Use D7

    This stuff happens cause people don't understand how to use their Operating System.
    It's the education stupid. That's not to say you make a mistake once every 5 or 10 years and accidentally delete your partition while partitioning something else. Or you actually run a worm'd up binary. It happens, I have no ego here, EVEN I screw up occasionally. However the difference is I head off to Step 1 above.

    Actually writing the FBI for help? Very stupid.

    1. Re:I call BS, or Stupid - your choice by vlm · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Geeze isn't it simpler to just install linux or get a mac?

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    2. Re:I call BS, or Stupid - your choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Geeze isn't it simpler to just install linux or get a mac?

      I've worked rootkitted linux servers. They aren't above being exploited. The focus for my comment was the windows os, because the OP's Said description was a pop-up, something that linux doesn't do, since it doesn't run windows binaries.

      Well not without wine or a vm..
      I digress.

      There are valid reasons to run windows. You use what works for whatever your goal is. Playing windows, linux, or mac fanboi isn't my style. I don't give a crap what OS it is, I use what works for the goal intended.

      I'd rather use Sony Vegas Pro, than Cinelerra for example. Why? Cause I actually get work done in Vegas. Does that mean I need to hide my windows workstations behind linux firewalls. YES.

    3. Re:I call BS, or Stupid - your choice by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      I have no ego here, EVEN I screw up occasionally.

      Yup, no egotism there, no siree...

      FYI, understanding the fundamentals of how software works (i.e. "View[ing] the hex code") is not a requirement of using a computer, and shouldn't be.

      Equally relevant, being a condescending asshat in regard to your perception of near infallibility isn't necessary either.

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    4. Re:I call BS, or Stupid - your choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's fine, pile it on me.
      I don't have an ego.

      near infallibility is ENOUGH for me.
      If Fravia was raised from the grave he could tear my computer up.
      There are other wizards, you speak the truth.

      While not perfect, my security planning has worked quite well so far.
      Cloned disks, and off disk encrypted password managers tend to keep the ice creams away from the starving.
      Even if you get cracked, you have a small window to replace all your passwords, and thus stop the financial BS.

      Viewing Hex code should be part of computer 101, and so I disagree, it should be equally taught as DOS, or Bash.
      I benefited from it.

      I reply in LOVE not hate.

    5. Re:I call BS, or Stupid - your choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Geeze isn't it simpler to just install linux or get a mac?

      Only if you're a socially stunted geek or one of the sheeple.

    6. Re:I call BS, or Stupid - your choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For the record I have linux boxen (firewall, workstations), I have a unix server (streaming audio), I have people that send me data which comes from mac (final cut). I choose to have sony vegas on a fucking windows workstation, however I also understand the underlying OS in each case.

      I like and so far, continue to like everything.
      The first level logic command OR works with me, and against you, using a modified truth table in this instance.

      I use this or this or this or this or this or that or whatever works to get the goal completed.

      If you think I am a sheeple then explain why do I bother unplugging the tv, and loading drudge, rense, zerohedge, david icke, AJ, we are change or blacklistednews?
      Maybe I think the FRN counterfeit printers are chilax?

    7. Re:I call BS, or Stupid - your choice by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Why is it stupid to write to the FBI for help? Isn't it their job to prosecute crimes that cross the borders of the local jurisdiction, something that is almost certainly the case with such a scam?

      Think of the FBI what you want, but as much as it may anyone surprise, they ain't the bad guys, most of the times...

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    8. Re:I call BS, or Stupid - your choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Step 1 Find out which binary is running which provides the ransomware message. Rename it. View the hex code and see if it connects to other files or registry entries. Keep searching and identifying the malware parts.

      Step 2 Rename, Delete

      Step 3 Get a scan from the free online scanners. Keep deleting until the ransomware and all worms and virii are gone

      Step 4 Use D7

      This stuff happens cause people don't understand how to use their Operating System. It's the education stupid. That's not to say you make a mistake once every 5 or 10 years and accidentally delete your partition while partitioning something else. Or you actually run a worm'd up binary. It happens, I have no ego here, EVEN I screw up occasionally. However the difference is I head off to Step 1 above.

      Actually writing the FBI for help? Very stupid.

      You're absolutely right. My 77 year old mother spends most of her time (now that she's retired) tracing and debugging malware binaries. Please.

      The bullshit you're spewing is about the same as "the problem with air travel is that people don't know how to pilot a 767." Are you really that thick or are you just trolling?

      Posting anon as I'm moderating on this thread.

    9. Re:I call BS, or Stupid - your choice by CheshireDragon · · Score: 1

      Geeze isn't it simpler to just install linux or get a mac?

      This is the dumbest solution to a problem I have ever heard. Err no, I know someone who threw a way a 6mo old comp due to a virus, but this is still dumb. Those OSes aren't above flaws, attacks, the occasional worm. If you read tech news on the occasion you'd know that.
      Each OS has its perks. Linux: web server/hardcore networking shit. Mac: Audio/video and Winders: games, most software that is only programmed for it and for the general 'low watt bulb' population. I really hope you don't do consulting.

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    10. Re:I call BS, or Stupid - your choice by CheshireDragon · · Score: 2

      HEX should absolutely NOT be in a Computers 101 class. I told my mother to take a Computers 101 class to learn about computers. God forbid they even brought the word HEX up in that class. That would confuse the shit out of ANY new user. Especially my neighbor who can't even get the names right. No Ken, it is called a Mouse not a Moose.
      Hex should be reserved for a Programming 101 class. In my 24yrs of doing tech work, not once has a need to view something HEX come up. Only when I go out of my way and want to modify programs to change their expiration date, the ability to unlock the SAVE button, bypass the CD/DVD check or even give myself more time on a level in a game has HEX ever come into play. Joe User isn't doing that. Joe User wants to play games, work on a project from home in Office, print his tax returns or a sales order for his home business.

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    11. Re:I call BS, or Stupid - your choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For the record I have linux boxen (firewall, workstations)

      No you don't, you have Linux boxes.

  6. Spoof the FBI? by delta98 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Poor Hoover must be spinning in his bustier.

    1. Re:Spoof the FBI? by Opportunist · · Score: 1, Funny

      Sucks to be him.

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  7. Same stats as spam ... by gstoddart · · Score: 3, Interesting

    it turns out it only takes 1-3 percent of victims to pay up to make it seriously worth the fraudsters' while

    Isn't this about the same percentage as any spam campaign? That's pretty much why it's still profitable.

    Though, you'd think that most people would realize that law enforcement doesn't simply send you an email demanding you pay a fine or face criminal charges -- there really isn't that option as far as I know. Well, at least not in all countries.

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    1. Re:Same stats as spam ... by EdIII · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Depends on the ransomware. I have run across the FBI thing twice now and the real problem is that the machine had business data. Paying to get access to your business data was the main reason why they were willing to pay.

      These particular variants were making it difficult to locate data since they had silently redirected the My Documents folder. If you could get out of it and back into safe mode you would see your data missing unless the ransomware program was actually running.

      Even more problematic is that some of these programs encrypt the data. Then you really have a problem.

      It's a hard lesson of why you need to keep business machines and fapping stations separate .

    2. Re:Same stats as spam ... by Lehk228 · · Score: 1

      difference is, a typical spam campaign will be for a $30 pack of make your penis huge pills. these are $500 or $1000 "fines" AND the victims are scared, thus less likely to report it or talk about it. Imagine your reaction if a non-technical co worker mentioned at lunch how they bought in to an email real estate offer vs. your reaction if he mentioned "so... the other day i was looking at child porn and the FBI put this message on my computer....."

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    3. Re:Same stats as spam ... by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      vs. your reaction if he mentioned "so... the other day i was looking at child porn and the FBI put this message on my computer....."

      Except for the fact that a tiny fraction of people getting this (if any) would have done so, and would be damned sure they hadn't.

      It's not like they had to target people actually doing this for it to be effective.

      I know if I got an email like that I would immediately know it to be fake. I stumbled on some almost a decade ago when usenet was the wild west -- and I hope to never see it again.

      And, really, who is going to believe the FBI would let you off with a fine? This is something they prosecute quite seriously.

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  8. funny thing about that law by RobertLTux · · Score: 3, Informative

    once you have the mattress home it is legal for you to remove the tag but after that you can't resell the mattress.

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    1. Re:funny thing about that law by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      You can't sell it as a new mattress, I don't believe those tags are required for sales of used mattresses. However some jurisdictions forbid the sales of used mattresses all together.

    2. Re:funny thing about that law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually the only thing that matters is if the mattress is made out of hemp. Fuck the tag. If the mattresses factory is producing hemp mattresses then the FBI will come down with a boot to the neck, just like a poor Amish farmer with raw milk.

      None of this teaches people to operate their OS.
      None of this teaches people to monitor their processes or services.

      If they did these two things, there would be 80% less BS.

    3. Re:funny thing about that law by Eponymous+Hero · · Score: 1

      and they are strictly enforced by craigslist sting operations. there just aren't enough real criminals to go after. i mean, what?

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    4. Re:funny thing about that law by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      However some jurisdictions forbid the sales of used mattresses all together.

      Wow...that's quite interesting, I'd never heard of such a thing.

      I wonder why some areas would ban sales of used mattresses?

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    5. Re:funny thing about that law by mellyra · · Score: 2

      I wonder why some areas would ban sales of used mattresses?

      probably old laws that were meant to reduce the spread of lice and mites

    6. Re:funny thing about that law by kaatochacha · · Score: 3

      You mean beyond that fact that it's absolutely disgusting?

    7. Re:funny thing about that law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "I wonder why some areas would ban sales of used mattresses?"

      Health concerns. There was a major issue with it (or at least a heavily reported issue) in the 80/90s. Not so much with personal sales but with less reputable companies which would take the most rancid, stained, mold/parasite infested and disgusting mattresses and resell them. What idiot would buy a nasty stained mattress you say? Lots of people as the companies in question would replace/sew over the old mattress with a new cover which made it look brand new but still had the contaminated stuffing.

    8. Re:funny thing about that law by Fuzzums · · Score: 1

      More likely a law invented my mattress salesmen.

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    9. Re:funny thing about that law by cayenne8 · · Score: 2

      You mean beyond that fact that it's absolutely disgusting?

      What's so disgusting about it? I've sold some of my old mattresses before....hell, when I was a broke college student, that's how you GOT a 'new' bed.....

      I mean, you *do* look them over first, make sure it isn't dirty and stained, etc...but if it looks clean, what's the problem?

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    10. Re:funny thing about that law by Kalriath · · Score: 1

      Think about what "broke college students" DO on those things.

      That's why.

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    11. Re:funny thing about that law by Firethorn · · Score: 1

      but if it looks clean, what's the problem?

      An absolutely clean 'looking' bed could be completely infested with fleas/mites/bedbugs.

      They probably aren't trying to stop individual sellers who are selling their lightly used mattress because they're moving/bought another. They're after the professional sellers who sow new covers on random unknown mattresses they picked up(sometimes out of dumpsters) while engaging in sanitization/sterilization measures that could optimistically be called 'ineffective'.

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    12. Re:funny thing about that law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Think about what "broke college students" DO on those things.

      That's why.

      You know, there are people who'd actually pay EXTRA just for that!

    13. Re:funny thing about that law by Inda · · Score: 1

      No, no and thrice no.

      Even in hotels I carry my mattress in a second suitcase. And that mattress is then incinerated after each sleep. You can never be too careful. ...and that's a load of bollocks.

      You're correct, there is no problem. Why even entertain the thoughts?

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    14. Re:funny thing about that law by nobodie · · Score: 1

      Bedbugs mostly, they have been discovered to be a major infestation across the US (seriously)

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  9. This has gotten out of hand. by sageres · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Just a horrible observation: this has seriously gotten out of hand and it is getting worse. Back twenty years ago, there were only a limited number of known viruses, that identity definitions / checksums of all of them could have fitted on a single database file big enough for a single floppy disk. Nowdays the combination complicated operating systems with weak security, security bugs on internet software and abundance of poor programmers in the 3rd world countries willing to sell their code of ethics, morals and their mother for two thousand dollars per exploit make it virtually impossible for anti-virus companies to maintain a product and database to keep these off.
    In my experience, my customers in most cases were duped in downloading these pieces of thiefware. My personal thought back than was "I wish I could lock this computer in read-only state so that they can not do absolutely anything stupid except turn it on, browse and turn in back off."

    In light of this there must be a new way of conducting Internet browsing and software management on local computers. My personal thought was a full read-only operating environment periodically verified with full checksum for its integrity, on which any software updates or new software installs are simply impossible / or new installs are allowed based on reputation scores of such software.

    But seriously, are there any schemes or research out there that has been working on the topic of creating a managed secure environment for average consumers?

    1. Re:This has gotten out of hand. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      are there any schemes or research out there that has been working on the topic of creating a managed secure environment for average consumers?

      Yeah it's called a KIOSK. It doesn't work for Everyone. I wouldn't buy it unless I was re-selling it to others.

      If your plan here is some utopia kiosk, perhaps you should state a SINGLE utopia that has ever happened on the history of this planet.
      If anything KIOSK-ing everything is worse than a police state. However I am not above rolling it out to protect Grandma.

    2. Re:This has gotten out of hand. by viking099 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Back when I was working the computer labs at my university, we used a product by Centurion to secure our workstations.

      We would build an image, then lock down this little device installed in the case.

      The computer user never even notices it, and they can write to temp folders and change settings, and everything.

      When the computer is then rebooted, this device just reloads the OS from the "locked" partition, and it's just like it ever was.

      Day to day it was great, but applying updates was a pain because you had to visit each system and unlock it manually. This was 15 years or so ago, so I'm sure they have a better system in place now, but it worked pretty well for our group and the hundreds of computers we maintained.

    3. Re:This has gotten out of hand. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Since the act of browsing requires downloading information to your client, how in the world do you think you can make it "read only"?

      Yes, I know, you'll say, "but the OS is read only, no changes to any system files allowed, and the content is only stored in this one partition that gets wiped when the browser is closed." Sure, that might work, for bare bones content browsing. But think about all the things people expect when they get content from the internet; text, photos, music, video, and you know, actual software. How are you going to keep your system pristine then?

      How about making a copy of your machine state before you browse, then wipe the disk entirely after the browse session, and copy over the prior state? Nope, people still want to retain some of the content they got online, and during the browse session, your machine is still vulnerable to intrusion, and can do things you don't want it to do.

      It's not possible - just like you can venture into the world wearing body armor over a full body condom, but that's not really practical.

      Life is risk. Be moderately careful, and you'll get the things you want, and *probably* won't get hurt. Much. Often.

    4. Re:This has gotten out of hand. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hate to say it, but Apple. No one else gives a shit about the average consumer (personally, I hate both Apple and the average consumer)

    5. Re:This has gotten out of hand. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I noticed nobody commented on you. It frankly pissed me off!

      I think kiosks are a great idea by whoever started it. It will ONLY improve over time. However it doesn't fix the banking system, the markets, nor the US monetary system.

      I loved it (kiosks) in the 80's cause you could avoid the lines in banks on payday on the USAF bases.
      I saw in the 90's the prices were vulture. "Check into Cash"
      Post 911/2k we have accepted the vulture. "No Money Down" "Check into Cash" "Reverse Mortgage"
      Acceptance without fact leads to disaster.

      I believe these hardened kiosks work. they arent tje ones siphoning off trillions
      As with money, only vigilance wins.
      We all get cracked.
      But I like "them kiosks" better than a LINE of stinking hot fellow Agenda 21 suffering people.
      You know the enlisted grunt, retired, and officers on base, everyone else off base
      So, let's just be sure the SOURCE isn't CORRUPT eh?
      If it's so, perhaps they plan WORLDWIDE DOOM e.g. the officials and the corrupt people at the top who they protect using military force.
      Now who's not awake?

      In addition, what be if the electricity goes out? Hmmmm? Oh I'm sorry no 60Hz hmmm. no 50Hz hmmm hmm.
      Better have Value in something other than paper and electronics.

      Even your offline USB password manager is VULNERABLE

    6. Re:This has gotten out of hand. by g1zmo · · Score: 3, Informative

      At my last job in a university library, they used the same approach (but different product) for keeping the public PC stations locked down.

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    7. Re:This has gotten out of hand. by Archenoth · · Score: 2

      It sounds like you may like Deep Freeze. http://www.faronics.com/enterprise/deep-freeze/

      It costs a bit, but pretty much on every restart it will revert any "frozen" drives to their previous state, this is usually done in unison with a second partition that is "unfrozen" so people can save files... And if you want to update your system, you can turn Deep Freeze off temporarily. It also has a user permission system so some people can save files.

      Fantastic for management, and as someone who was on the user end of it for a while, it wasn't that bad because of the unfrozen drive for my files. (You could permanently install with a password if you needed to)

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    8. Re:This has gotten out of hand. by Anguirel · · Score: 2

      Linux Live CDs using RAM Disks have been around for quite some time. No permanent storage required.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_CD

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    9. Re:This has gotten out of hand. by Anguirel · · Score: 1

      Linux Live CDs using RAM Disks have been around for quite some time. No permanent storage required. I'm sure you could manage something similar, but allow for some local storage of documents, or allow USB drives for users.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_CD

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    10. Re:This has gotten out of hand. by CastrTroy · · Score: 2

      This is what Virtual Machines are great at. Have a specific VM that you only use for your banking and other high security sites. Have another VM that you use for browsing dodgy sites that have a high likelyhood of carrying viruses, and have a third one that you use for everyday browsing. Wipe the "bank" VM and start over from a known good state every time if you want. Sure there's probably ways to break out of the VM, but I don't think most hackers have gotten that sophisticated yet, as there are too many easier ways to get money.

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    11. Re:This has gotten out of hand. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Looks like trolls are downmoddin apk's posts that are on topic.

    12. Re:This has gotten out of hand. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, I think a clever application of virtual machines that reset on every restart/session close would be right in line with this. Sure there are some issues, but this is becoming more and more viable with the plethora of cloud services.

      On the other hand, I would never buy into this sort of limited system, but hell, it's perfect for a large number of computer users.

    13. Re:This has gotten out of hand. by metaforest · · Score: 1

      most of the VMs I have used in the last 3 years have checkpointing.

      1 ) Install the OS, patch it and install relevant apps and other immutable components.
      1a) Checkpoint VM image
      2 ) Import Work In Progress from Host environment
      3 ) do your work, browsing, what-have-you...
      4 ) export work products to Host environment
      5 ) suspend VM
      6 ) Restore Checkpoint

      If for some reason your VM doesn't support checkpoints... you could just over-write from a locked copy of the immutable VM image, but then starting up is slower since you'd be cold-booting the working copy of the VM, not waking a suspended VM.

      YMMV.

      BONUS: some savvy (and maybe most dangerous) malware will refuse to infect a VM... because the authors fear having their malware reverse engineered, and traced back to them.

  10. Why some people fall for this by JDG1980 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Several commenters have asked why anyone would fall for this – after all, US law enforcement agencies generally don't just shake people down for cash. But there are two real-world situations the average person might have dealt with that are somewhat analogous to this.

    One is traffic tickets: In most cases, drivers are given the option to simply pay the fine without having to go to court. You can have a full hearing if you want, but most people just pay the fine.

    The other is the legal threats against BitTorrent users, the ones where the MAFIAA sends out letters demanding that the person whose account the activity was conducted from either must pay $1000 or some similar amount immediately, or face a lawsuit for significantly more.

    Now, there are definitely some legal differences there: a traffic infraction is a "summary offense" that doesn't carry the threat of jail time, and the MAFIAA lawsuits are civil cases, not criminal. But most people don't understand these subtleties: to many of them, any scary-sounding authority figure saying "Pay up" is the same thing. Heck, the Milgram experiment showed that you could have regular people deliver "fatal" electric shocks just by having a guy in a white lab coat tell them they had to.

    1. Re:Why some people fall for this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      @1000, it sounds like targeting people
      @5999, with a scope
      @X,000,000,000 with a ICBM
      @ ~ with a nuke plant

      psychopaths are in charge I say. I presume.

      So let's stop them, NO MORE BS

    2. Re:Why some people fall for this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but unless you're in Mexico, a Cop won't ask you to PAY the fine to him directly.

    3. Re:Why some people fall for this by swb · · Score: 1

      Ha, we don't know how often LEO does or doesn't shake people down for cash/drugs/sex. My guess is it happens much more than anyone is willing to admit.

      And there's the percentage of people with non-US life experiences where getting shaken down for bribes is part of the system.

    4. Re:Why some people fall for this by reebmmm · · Score: 1

      This distinction is actually quite blurry for most municipal fines and citations. A number of states, for example, allow you to pay your speeding ticket fines directly at the time of the citation via credit card. How you'd distinguish this case from that case, I'm not sure.

    5. Re:Why some people fall for this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One is traffic tickets: In most cases, drivers are given the option to simply pay the fine without having to go to court. You can have a full hearing if you want, but most people just pay the fine.

      In the US generally, when you get a speeding ticket you can plead guilty or not guilty. If you plead guilty you generally don't have to show up in court. In the state of New York however, you are not told the amount of the fine to be paid when given the ticket. As such, unless you're a moron you plead not guilty and show up at the court so you don't get slapped with a $975 fine for going 67mph in a 55mph zone. Talk about revenue generation scams!

    6. Re:Why some people fall for this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same reason some people would believe a leech sucking on a lamprey attached to a Great White, and respond with code "666" to an email from "Spamcop SBL" (sure, buddy, sure) orginating from, oh, say, mail.newlead.net.

    7. Re:Why some people fall for this by metaforest · · Score: 1

      Many unscrupulous debt collectors pull a similar scam demanding payment on debts they claim to hold. In some cases they buy debts that have suffered serious data-rot and try and pin them on any person with some matching particulars. They get away with claiming that the mark owes them money because some of the particulars match. They are very aggressive, and often call as well as send demand letters that look like legal instruments, or rather vague utility bills worded like final-notice-to-pay.

      If the mark does not do the correct thing: formally challenge the claim with a 'demand for verification of debt' letter, they can be on the hook for a debt that is not theirs.

      There is no legal recourse for this scam(except the challenge letter) since the 'collector' can "innocently" plead that they are pursuing a legitimate debt collection even when they no full well they have bad information, or no legitimate information at all.

      Had this happen to me last year. Their initial assault appeared as email, phone calls, and snail-mail in a daily, incessant, barrage that did not relent until my demand letter arrived in their office. Then they vanished as suddenly as they had arrived.

  11. Language bug in some images posted at botnets.fr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, the scam message is delivered in the local (non-English) language with the local police authority's logo, but some
    of them have a "Federal Computer Crime Unit" or similar in English!

  12. Webcam ransomware by Compaqt · · Score: 1

    I'm surprised there isn't more ransomware that turns your webcam on, perhaps catching you in something you'd rather not have on the interwebs, and blackmails you with that.

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    1. Re:Webcam ransomware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I bet you could even automate it to look for certain body parts using computer vision software.

    2. Re:Webcam ransomware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I fear that some ransomware will actually put some kiddie porn or something on the victim's PC and show it to them, before demanding payment to avoid being reported to the FBI. Even if they know they didn't put it there, they won't know how it got there, and they won't be sure of being able to get rid of it or prevent it being replaced, so they will probably be scared enough to pay up in a lot of cases.

    3. Re:Webcam ransomware by CCarrot · · Score: 2

      I'm surprised there isn't more ransomware that turns your webcam on, perhaps catching you in something you'd rather not have on the interwebs, and blackmails you with that.

      For this reason, I am still amazed that no (well, not many) webcams out there come with a physical shutter that the user can slide closed / open. Why leave it 'looking' at you when you're not using it?

      It's not like people don't know this is possible, it's been used as a premise in enough tv shows...

      Ah well, a sticker works about the same for me...low tech to the rescue! :)

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    4. Re:Webcam ransomware by Lehk228 · · Score: 2

      I just leave my wank sock over it, since the cam is just for chatroulette anyways and i need both for that.......

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    5. Re:Webcam ransomware by asdf7890 · · Score: 2

      To work that would need to be a fairly targeted attack: picking a few marks and working on them. A scatter-gun attack as usually used by scammers will simply alert the world to the problem and make all marks take the "no one will believe you" line, and the more targeted approach would take a lot more time and effort (and ability): while the payout could be more than worth it long term, I doubt any scammer will take the risk of waiting for as long as the scheme could take to "pay out".

      The only case where this sort of attack is a concern IMO is when the attacker is someone that you know, rather than a more remote scammer, who sees reason to be out to get you.

    6. Re:Webcam ransomware by desdinova+216 · · Score: 1

      why not unplug the webcam when not being used?

    7. Re:Webcam ransomware by CCarrot · · Score: 1

      why not unplug the webcam when not being used?

      Fair question. I suppose I should have said "laptop webcams" instead of the more generic term "webcams".

      Indeed, if I need a webcam for my desktop, it isn't plugged in until I use it, and is unplugged right after I'm done. You can't do that with an integrated webcam, and it's getting harder to find laptops or netbooks without integrated webcams these days...

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  13. Woah... by Type44Q · · Score: 2

    ...and it turns out it only takes 1-3 percent of victims to pay up to make it seriously worth the fraudsters' while

    You mean to say that if I demand that a hundred people each send me a lot of money, and one to three of them do... those one to three people are going to... send me a lot of money?? (Is this that "math" thing I've heard so much about?! :p)

    1. Re:Woah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      1-3% of one million people = 10,000 - 30,000 people paying up. If you charge say $500 per person then you end up with $5,000,000 to $15,000,000.Granted it's unlikely that you will get even one million people, your scam would probably be caught on to by then. But if you even a few hundred thousand then your still going to make about one million dollars. Not that I would encourage anyone doing this but there are obvious reasons why someone would be motivated to do this.

  14. Re:Funny how it's not a scam when the lawyers do i by darkmeridian · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The difference between blackmail and settlement is that blackmail requires the threat of doing something ILLEGAL if the demands are not met. Whereas, a settlement offer is the forbearance of a LEGAL right if the demands are met. If someone didn't pay me for my work, for instance, I can send a demand letter asking that he pay me or I will sue him for the money, which is a legal right I have. If I demand money or I will shoot him, that's blackmail.

    The boundary is close when it comes to porno cases. What if the right to sue is clear cut (the Copyright Laws clearly prohibit downloading the material) but the real damage is the damage to reputation? That becomes closer to the situation of, "Give me money or I'll release this sex tape you made" or "Give me money or I'll tell the world about our love baby."

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  15. Re:Funny how it's not a scam when the lawyers do i by HungryHobo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    " If I demand money or I will shoot him, that's blackmail."

    No, that's extortion.

    Blackmail would be threatening to tell your wife about your mistress. Blackmail can include things you would otherwise be perfectly legally allowed to do.

    You may have every legal right to expose the trips made to a bathhouse by a homophobic republican senator but if you demand money from him in exchange for *not* revealing that secret, that's illegal.

  16. Re:Funny how it's not a scam when the lawyers do i by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    I don't know about your country, but in mine, suing someone despite knowing very well that your chances of winning are zero with the intent of browbeating the person sued into submission due to him not knowing the legal system and not being able to afford adequate legal representation IS actually illegal.

    It's called a frivolous lawsuit and if you are a lawyer and tend to do such things too often, I hope you have a plan B for your time after being disbarred.

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  17. They deserve it! by Ravaldy · · Score: 1

    If the people watching kiddie porn end up scammed, I say it's cool!

    1. Re:They deserve it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Umm..... I really think you do not understand what is going on at all.....

  18. Re:Funny how it's not a scam when the lawyers do i by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You've never been to Mexico?

  19. CP and piracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    going to jail for having downloaded kiddie porn or pirated content

    Is anyone else disturbed that they're putting the two together?

  20. Got to love FUD and misdirection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is funny that this gets released right after the FBI gets informed that they had a person who works for the US planting evidence and destroying easy access to the hard drive first - so what does the average IT person do with a hard drive keep it around for fear of data actually being recovered

    Poor Adrian Moser from 2203 9th Ave, Apt 3 (it is an L shaped building) he got caught planting evidence and was sanctioned the bastard was video taped even god I wonder how much damage that would cause the Untied States if that Video Tape was released after his confession of who he worked for was released - damn the US is getting more and more incompetent in the IT department...

    Say I hear there is going to be a massive leak about the whole chemical (as in computers who process information through the use of chemical reactions) computer network - point to Wright Patterson AFB - I am sure I can point to a college in "P"oduck WV that recently got 3 new buildings because the US is trying to locate a rouge chemical computer hidden on the grounds... it would really suck of the bad guys got ahold of it...

  21. Gee, Is this FBI notice from an aol address real? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Got a few of these emails as well. Besides the dubious command (?) of the language there was also the minor detail of the source address. The ones I got were from places like 'aol' or 'hotmail' -- which seemed an unlikely source for a government message of any sort. Then the (snicker, snicker) demand that one open the attached file to read the charges... oh, please! The last one had a faked 'gov' address (didn't agree with the routing info on the email itself but they never fixed the language flaws. Pathetic. I cannot imagine anyone responding... least not anyone I would be interested in associating with...

  22. Re:Funny how it's not a scam when the lawyers do i by sjames · · Score: 2

    The last two examples you made are otherwise legal actions. It is perfectly legal for a woman to name the father of her child. It is not legal to demand money not to.

    It could be argued that a settlement is a payment of actual damages to make the would be plaintiff whole without need for court whereas blackmail is simply for unjust enrichment. However, at some point (such as the RIAA suits) the merits of the case against the defendant fall so low that it becomes indistinguishable from an extortion racket. Further, the payments are documented to not find their way back to the allegedly damaged party, so there is no making whole. But note that the RIAA isn't up on racketeering charges.

    The sad thing is that through uncontrolled legal costs, complete lack of a bullshit filter before those costs kick in, and capriciousness our 'justice' system so perfectly backstops blackmail every day.

  23. What I post works vs. Zeus/Citadel/Ice IX... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Off-Topic Ad Hominem attacks aren't disproving my points:

    "Not because you're a huge jerk. Which you've clearly proven that you are. " - by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 15, @02:10PM (#40999325)

    This "huge jerk" put up material that actually WORKS vs. ZEUS & it's variants...

    Have you? No.

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    "I see you complain about people being out to get you and treating you poorly. " - by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 15, @02:10PM (#40999325)

    No, I am just asking that whoever (you) downmodded my posts make it valid by JUSTIFYING WHY (and not for the bullshit you spouted here) on computing technical reasons...

    (There's NO WAY you can, because what I posted stalls out Zeus & it's variants... period!)

    ---

    "I thought about downmodding you because you repost the same stuff over and over and over. " - by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 15, @02:10PM (#40999325)

    Again - stuff that ACTUALLY WORKS vs. Zeus & other botnets...

    ---

    "In this particular discussion the crap you post is *marginally* on topic, so I left it alone. " - by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 15, @02:10PM (#40999325)

    Marginally? It works to STALL OUT Zeus & its variant botnets... period. You "left it alone" my ass - you downmodded it, and for NO GOOD REASONS (like proving my points wrong).

    You can't prove them wrong: You know it, I KNOW IT, & everyone/anyone else reading here, knows it. Period...

    ---

    "The thousand (two thousand?) word posts you spew generally contain dozens of links to the same information over and over again. Then you *repeat* that information in the same post. " - by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 15, @02:10PM (#40999325)

    That WORKS against this botnet, thus it's on topic (unlike the crap you're spouting here)...

    ---

    "I don't know you APK and have nothing personal against you. I have learned to ignore you -- not because I don't like you or think you're an idiot, but because you don't seem to add anything useful to discussions. " - by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 15, @02:10PM (#40999325)

    Nothing useful? Sorry - but what I put up earlier is ONE HELL OF A LOT MORE USEFUL than the crap I am responding to NOW from you...

    ---

    "Have you ever considered that you might be provoking that reaction? " - by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 15, @02:10PM (#40999325)

    Yea, from 1 of 3 kinds of people only:

    ---

    1.) Malware makers/Botnet herders-masters (for obvious reasons - using custom hosts files mess up their bogus machinations)

    2.) Advertisers (who rob you of CPU cycles, RAM, & other forms of I/O + electricity, via adbanners, as well as screen real-estate viewable)

    3.) Webmasters (disgruntled over losing banner ad views - well, pay more attention to what your site's showing, because many have been INFESTED with malicious code)

    ---

    "I personally didn't downmod you" - by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 15, @02:10PM (#40999325)

    Ahem: (cough)"BULLSHIT"(cough)

    ---

    "I'm not all that surprised that someone did." - by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 15, @02:10PM (#40999325)

    Oh, of COURSE not, considering you're PROJECTING YOU DID!

    ---

    "I thought about downmodding you too." - by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 15, @02:10PM (#40999325)

    Ahem: (cough)"BULLSHIT"(cough) - you're merely "projecting" that you actually did...

    ---

    "I realize that you'll most likely just write me off as someone that's out to get you, but I write this in the hope that one day you'll stop re

  24. Re:To weasels downmodding my 3 posts here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They can't disprove it apk. You're right that it works against zeus botnet families. They know it too and are probably the 3 types you suspect that hate hosts files in adverisers, botnet makers, and webmasters. They don't want others knowing it for various reasons.

  25. Re:Yet another bogus moddown? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They can't disprove it apk. You're right it works against zeus botnet families. They know it and are the 3 types you suspect that hate hosts files in adverisers, botnet makers, and webmasters. They don't want others knowing about custom hosts files for various reasons you stated.

  26. Again: To weasels downmodding my posts here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Hit & run" downmods to my post? Justify it on computing tech grounds (as in mistakes I may have made (none))... because SO far?

    * Face it - You have NO real reasons to downmod me... well, unless you're 1 of 3 types of people:

    ---

    1.) Malware makers/Botnet herders-masters (for obvious reasons - using custom hosts files mess up their bogus machinations)

    2.) Advertisers (who rob you of CPU cycles, RAM, & other forms of I/O + electricity AND SPEED/BANDWIDTH ONLINE - All via adbanners, as well as screen real-estate viewable)

    3.) Webmasters (disgruntled over losing banner ad views - well, pay more attention to what your site's showing, because many have been INFESTED with malicious code)

    ---

    NO questions asked...

    APK

    P.S.=> So, IF/WHEN all you have are bogus "hit & run" downmods of my posts? You make MY point just above, for me... thank-you!

    ... apk/b

  27. Re:To weasels downmodding my 3 posts here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They can't disprove it apk. You're right that it works against zeus botnet families. They know it too and are probably the 3 types you suspect that hate hosts files in adverisers, botnet makers, and webmasters. They don't want others knowing it for various reasons.

    Exactly so. Those scumbag moderators! I bet they have meetings every week to see how they can screw with you APK. I think you should contact the FBI and local law enforcement as these moderator folks are totally trying to make your life a living hell.

    I suggest you start by suing the owners of /. to get the names, email addresses and IP addresses of all the lowlifes who have ever modded you down. Then you can serve them with defamation lawsuits. Those nasty moderators. Who the hell do they think they are? My god -- you're APK for heaven's sake!

    What is more, you should post on every thread about your amazing product because everyone should know all about it so they can protect themselves. Those criminals are really pressing hard because your software has them on the run. You should probably buy a gun to make sure they don't try anything physical.

    Anyway, all I can say is that I admire and respect you for all you've done in the fields of IT and infosec. Without you, we'd be at the mercy of those criminal scumbags! Kudos to you APK!!!
    --BFJ

  28. Re:Funny how it's not a scam when the lawyers do i by jonadab · · Score: 1

    Yes, it's illegal, on paper. However, in order to do anything meaningful about it, the victim would need to be able to take you to court. Among other things, that effectively means he'd have to be able to afford a lawyer. Additionally, it can be rather difficult to demonstrate to the court that the offender _knew_ he wouldn't win the suit and _intended_ to nonetheless force a settlement to which he was not entitled.

    To actually provide the populace at large with effective protection against this kind of abuse of the legal system, all plaintiffs in civil suits would need to be required to pay the defendant's legal fees. (They could then recover their loss if and only if they win the suit.)

    The problem with that, of course, is that most people would no longer be able to afford to enforce their legal rights by filing lawsuits. Thus, instead of allowing the courts to be abused to harass the innocent, you're now effectively denying justice by preventing the courts from being used correctly.

    It's a thorny problem. There's no perfect solution.

    --
    Cut that out, or I will ship you to Norilsk in a box.
  29. Unless I see technical justification for a downmod by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Based SOLELY on computing grounds in some mistakes I made? The rest is utter bullshit.

    APK

    P.S.=> When I see downmods of my posts, or those of others, that aren't based on the subject @ hand (in this case, the Zeus botnet family, which I SHOW how to "nullify" it easily using custom hosts + firewalls rules tables)?

    I know they're utter bullshit!

    They're & usually from someone that just doesn't *like* someone else (which is usually the result of getting their ass kicked time & again by the person they're down moderating, which is their ONLY "effete retaliation" they can hide behind, like a wench might... lol!).

    This is WHY the /. moderation system needs a "fix", so you can confront such "courageous lads" (not) that "hit & run" downmod on bullshit reasons... just to shame their stupid ass!

    ... apk

  30. Re:Unless I see technical justification for a down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Based SOLELY on computing grounds in some mistakes I made? The rest is utter bullshit.

    APK

    P.S.=> When I see downmods of my posts, or those of others, that aren't based on the subject @ hand (in this case, the Zeus botnet family, which I SHOW how to "nullify" it easily using custom hosts + firewalls rules tables)?

    I know they're utter bullshit!

    They're & usually from someone that just doesn't *like* someone else (which is usually the result of getting their ass kicked time & again by the person they're down moderating, which is their ONLY "effete retaliation" they can hide behind, like a wench might... lol!).

    This is WHY the /. moderation system needs a "fix", so you can confront such "courageous lads" (not) that "hit & run" downmod on bullshit reasons... just to shame their stupid ass!

    ... apk

    That's why it's so important that you keep posting about your revolutionary product! Those loser moderators have no shame! Also, it's important to take legal action against these jerks. I propose we set up an APK anti-defamation legal fund to raise money so we can make these bloodsuckers pay!

  31. It's FAR from "revolutionary" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "That's why it's so important that you keep posting about your revolutionary product!" - by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 15, @05:23PM (#41001939)quote>

    See subject: It's just something that makes something IMPOSSIBLE (deduplication/normalization) , possible!

    Easily GUI possible, in the dedup/normalize of 1,000's to MILLIONS of known bad sites-servers/hosts-domains that house & host up malicious content!

    Trust me on this subject:

    I know, I went thru YEARS (my 1st years building up a custom hosts file vs. malicious sites + banner ads & bogus DNS servers as well as botnet C&C servers) doing it manually... was impossible to keep up on.

    Then, I used MS-Access to perform the dedup/normalization, but it wouldn't haul in the data...

    So, hence, why I built an EASY-TO-USE "GUI" model of it.

    The same (almost) can be done with *NIX shell scripts or languages like Python (my nephew & I built such a tool in the latter in fact a couple years back - he did the broad strokes, I added in err-trapping & 'niceties'... was 'ok' but not what folks want & use, today: GUI!).

    APK

    P.S.=> To the rest of what you wrote? Well, I am not sure I agree on some of it:

    "Those loser moderators have no shame!" - by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 15, @05:23PM (#41001939)quote>

    Thing is, I don't *think* it's the mods here (it's trolls with mod points & multiple registered 'luser' accounts)...

    That is, unless the mods are paid by "geeknet" who MIGHT not like the fact I block out ad banners (which IS part of their income I am sure).

    Tough cookies!

    See - banner ads have been infected/infested many times with malicious script, they rob bandwidth/speed & electricity I pay for (CPU cycles, RAM, & other forms of I/O) so... there you are.

    My ca$h, and YOURS as the user constituency here, comes first!

    ---

    "Also, it's important to take legal action against these jerks" - by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 15, @05:23PM (#41001939)quote>

    Ahem: No, that's not necessary - what IS NECESSARY, however, is a fix to the moderation system here so one has the RIGHT to confront those who do "hit & run" downmods based on utter bullshit & NO TECHNICAL INFORMATION BASED ON THE TOPIC @ HAND!

    Fact is, imo @ least? It's the 1 thing WRONG with /. ... other than flocks of trolling scum.

    ---

    "I propose we set up an APK anti-defamation legal fund to raise money so we can make these bloodsuckers pay!" - by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 15, @05:23PM (#41001939)quote>

    Again - not needed: It's impossible for them to "defame" me, since I use nothing but facts for the topic @ hand. What is needed, again, is a FIX to the moderation system here (so one can face detractors who "hit & run" downmod but offer NO reasons based on the topic @ hand, in this case computer tech info., & dust them)...

    I truly DO understand that this site is "news for Nerds" but do YOU ALL HAVE TO ACT LIKE THAT (Nerds, worse than women, but that's the lives you've chosen, but it doesn't mean you have to live it 24x7 doing unjustifiable downmods like women might... lol!)

    ... apk

    1. Re:It's FAR from "revolutionary" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "That's why it's so important that you keep posting about your revolutionary product!" - by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 15, @05:23PM (#41001939)quote>

      See subject: It's just something that makes something IMPOSSIBLE (deduplication/normalization) , possible!

      Easily GUI possible, in the dedup/normalize of 1,000's to MILLIONS of known bad sites-servers/hosts-domains that house & host up malicious content!

      Trust me on this subject:

      I know, I went thru YEARS (my 1st years building up a custom hosts file vs. malicious sites + banner ads & bogus DNS servers as well as botnet C&C servers) doing it manually... was impossible to keep up on.

      Then, I used MS-Access to perform the dedup/normalization, but it wouldn't haul in the data...

      So, hence, why I built an EASY-TO-USE "GUI" model of it.

      The same (almost) can be done with *NIX shell scripts or languages like Python (my nephew & I built such a tool in the latter in fact a couple years back - he did the broad strokes, I added in err-trapping & 'niceties'... was 'ok' but not what folks want & use, today: GUI!).

      APK

      P.S.=> To the rest of what you wrote? Well, I am not sure I agree on some of it:

      "Those loser moderators have no shame!" - by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 15, @05:23PM (#41001939)quote>

      Thing is, I don't *think* it's the mods here (it's trolls with mod points & multiple registered 'luser' accounts)...

      That is, unless the mods are paid by "geeknet" who MIGHT not like the fact I block out ad banners (which IS part of their income I am sure).

      Tough cookies!

      See - banner ads have been infected/infested many times with malicious script, they rob bandwidth/speed & electricity I pay for (CPU cycles, RAM, & other forms of I/O) so... there you are.

      My ca$h, and YOURS as the user constituency here, comes first!

      ---

      "Also, it's important to take legal action against these jerks" - by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 15, @05:23PM (#41001939)quote>

      Ahem: No, that's not necessary - what IS NECESSARY, however, is a fix to the moderation system here so one has the RIGHT to confront those who do "hit & run" downmods based on utter bullshit & NO TECHNICAL INFORMATION BASED ON THE TOPIC @ HAND!

      Fact is, imo @ least? It's the 1 thing WRONG with /. ... other than flocks of trolling scum.

      ---

      "I propose we set up an APK anti-defamation legal fund to raise money so we can make these bloodsuckers pay!" - by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 15, @05:23PM (#41001939)quote>

      Again - not needed: It's impossible for them to "defame" me, since I use nothing but facts for the topic @ hand. What is needed, again, is a FIX to the moderation system here (so one can face detractors who "hit & run" downmod but offer NO reasons based on the topic @ hand, in this case computer tech info., & dust them)...

      I truly DO understand that this site is "news for Nerds" but do YOU ALL HAVE TO ACT LIKE THAT (Nerds, worse than women, but that's the lives you've chosen, but it doesn't mean you have to live it 24x7 doing unjustifiable downmods like women might... lol!)

      ... apk

      You are so right, apk. I wish I could be more like you. Maybe my kids could be more like you. What say you come over to my house and impregnate my wife. She's just a woman so she doesn't get any say. Besides, if she knew it was you she'd be so honored. That way I could keep you close even if you aren't around. Thank you for showing me the light. Maybe you could impregnate my teenage daughter too? Gosh, I'd really appreciate it. I know that you might not want to associate with lesser men than me or the woman/offspring my obviously inferior genetics can get/create, but if I could impose on you to allow me to use your manly seed to impregnate my wife and daughter, I would be even more in your eternal debt.

      Thank you apk for making my life worth living.

      --BFJ

  32. Ahem: "To Each His Own" & Jim Morrison by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    LOL, man... whatever/to each his own (we don't see some stuff the same), & though you mean well (or are just feigning it to troll, seen it before, not original), mind you, ordinarily I don't judge - However?

    Well, to be blunt about it?? I think you're a WEE bit "StRaNgE"... lol!

    It's time for some tunes, & you've "set the tone" on that note (a musical one)... see below for details - especially the 2nd tune!

    APK

    P.S.=> Jim Morrison said it best -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3CHi_9sxj0 in these http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boeCq8mSY5E ...

    ... apk

  33. Re:Funny how it's not a scam when the lawyers do i by PPH · · Score: 1

    Senator XXX bathhouse tapes available on eBay.

    Current bid: $1.00

    Buy it now: $10,000

    --
    Have gnu, will travel.
  34. You guys are forgetful by xate · · Score: 1

    http://it.slashdot.org/story/12/06/20/0424242/why-nigerian-scammers-say-theyre-from-nigeria

    "According to research by Cormac Herley at Microsoft, scammers are looking for the most gullible people, and their crazy emails can help weed out people who are savvy enough to know better. "

    Everyone above this line was either troll or trolled except "tsu doh nimh" which I'm pretty sure is this vietnamese gentleman's real name.

  35. Kiddie Porn and Door Kicking by Firethorn · · Score: 1

    Given the feelings of most Americans, somebody with Kiddie porn is 'more deserving' of an early morning SWAT raid than most drug dealers.

    Personally, I'm more the type of 'station a camera; visit the house when you go to work' type, if there's concern about possible violence. Then I pick you up at work.

    SWAT style invasions will be saved for drug houses* that are effectively never unoccupied, and even then I'd probably wait until it's at 'minimum manning'. SWAT raids on fully occupied dwellings shall be saved for hostage/slave/abuse scenarios where human suffering is highly likely to be reduced if we go in *RIGHT NOW*.

    *I'll note that even though I support the legalization of drugs, said legalization would involve moving distribution to legitimate channels, thus a few drug houses would still need to be busted.

    --
    I don't read AC A human right
  36. Saw a news special on this once... by Firethorn · · Score: 1

    I saw a special on this once. A group went around collecting any old mattress they could find, 'sanitized' it, sowed on a new cover, and resold it.

    The problem was that their 'sanitization'* wasn't enough to stop bedbugs, and their cover wasn't impermeable to them. Most of the beds picked up were infested, and what ones weren't were often infested by contact with the other mattresses.

    I can see a jurisdiction taking a look at the process and banning the business to try to stop the spread of lice/mites/bedbugs. As a moderate libertarian I think it's the wrong move, but I also believe that selling beds very likely to be infested, not warning buyers that they're likely to be infested, and engaging in essentially useless sanitization efforts to be criminal deception. Basically, if you're going to be sanitizing a bed, you'd better sanitize it. Bake it in an 200F oven for 3 days; subject it to a hard vacuum for 48 hours, whatever it takes. But that's expensive, and new mattresses don't cost much more; I could see it killing the business anyways.

    *Which actually consisted of spraying it down with some sanitizer intended for hard surfaces that worked more like febreze than a proper bug killer.

    --
    I don't read AC A human right
  37. Re:Funny how it's not a scam when the lawyers do i by HungryHobo · · Score: 1

    very nice workaround :-D