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Curiosity's Latest High-Res Photo Looks Like Earth

New submitter bbianca127 writes "Curiosity sent a picture down to us, and it looks a lot like Earth. Actually, the picture's color quality has been changed — to human eyes, the landscape would look a lot more reddish. Still, it looks remarkably like the southwestern United States (bringing to mind the Arrested Development quote about how Lucille Bluth would rather be dead in California than alive in Arizona)." Definitely a different sense of the place than the one given by the reddish-brown posters I remember from elementary school.

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  1. Great summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Especially the part that mentions where the photo is from.

    1. Re:Great summary by h4rr4r · · Score: 4, Informative

      Begs the question is more properly used when I say "So now that you stopped beating your wife, how is your marriage?" That begs the question of if you ever beat your wife at all.

      The poster asking about a robot and a mirror should have used "Raises the question" instead.

  2. impossibly obscure, personal cultural refences by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "bringing to mind the Arrested Development quote about how Lucille Bluth would rather be dead in California than alive in Arizona"

    no, actually, sorry, not at all

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    1. Re:impossibly obscure, personal cultural refences by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Almost heaven, Martian winter,
      CO2 ice, rusty frozen water
      Light of Deimos in thin red sky
      Just can't breathe here, think I'm gonna die

      Take me home, Martian road,
      to that place far from home
      Marineris, Mount Olympus
      Take me home, Martian road.

    2. Re:impossibly obscure, personal cultural refences by Jappus · · Score: 4, Informative

      The atmosphere is so thin it's basically vacuum, so the view of the stars should be pretty good. If we could engineer cottonwood trees that thrive in vacuum, high radiation, temperatures as low as -150 celcius, and no water, we'd be good there too. Of course then we'd have to engineer humans that didn't suffer bone decalcification due to the low gravity...

      Snarky as your comment may have been meant, I think you need to check your numbers again what constitutes "so thin it's basically vacuum."

      Mars has an average surface atmospheric pressure of 0.636 kPa. Earth has 101.325 kPa. So yes, while it is 160-times thinner, that's still pretty thick, especially if dust is kicked up. After all, remember that with 1/3rd gravity, much less air friction and no moisture, dust particles can stay afloat for quite some time.

      And then, compare that to the moon, with a pressure of 10^-7 kPa (~1 nPa), Mars still has a 6.36 million times denser atmosphere. And compared to interplanetary space, that's still practically solid, as space has 400.000 times less pressure.

      In other words: If Mars is a near-vacuum at nearly 10^17 times more molecules per cm than interplanetary space, then a snail that moves at only 3*10^10 cm/s.

  3. That's because it IS earth. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    How much more do we need before the public accepts that it's just a few guys driving around Nevada?

    1. Re:That's because it IS earth. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      It clearly is cg. Rocks don't look like that in Nevada.

    2. Re:That's because it IS earth. by girlintraining · · Score: 5, Funny

      How much more do we need before the public accepts that it's just a few guys driving around Nevada?

      I would accept a beer can in one of the photos as evidence.

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    3. Re:That's because it IS earth. by PPH · · Score: 5, Funny

      NASA blew its budget for CG on the ISS. Two guys, a Ford Bronco, a camera, and an unlicensed copy of Photoshop is all they can afford now.

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    4. Re:That's because it IS earth. by jedidiah · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes. But Nevada does have the occasional plant and animal life even once you get out of the city. It's not totally barren.

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    5. Re:That's because it IS earth. by GungaDan · · Score: 5, Funny

      "I would accept a beer can in one of the photos as evidence."

      Sorry, all they've found so far are Budweiser and Coors Light cans. But the search continues.

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  4. third parties? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why is it that people keep redirecting me to a third party site to see the rover images, in stead of linking to the Nasa source?

    1. Re:third parties? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Because NASA doesn't have advertising?

      (Which is a completely wasted opportunity.)

    2. Re:third parties? by realityimpaired · · Score: 5, Funny

      I don't think Opportunity has been wasted at all....

    3. Re:third parties? by element-o.p. · · Score: 4, Funny

      (Which is a completely wasted opportunity.)

      In fairness, they are forsaking their advertising Opportunity out of the Spirit of Curiousity, I suspect ;)

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  5. White-balanced by neoshroom · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's because that photo is the white-balanced version! A white-balanced photo is what the scene in Mars would look like if you literally took the scene, cut out that whole area of ground, transported it to Earth and viewed it under the Earth's sky.

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    1. Re:White-balanced by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Which is useful, because it lets us see things in a more familiar frame of reference. Under the Mars Atmosphere things will look more alien to us making normal stuff seem worthy of extra interest. Making the images more earth like, will help us point out what things are more interesting to look at and what to ignore.

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    2. Re:White-balanced by need4mospd · · Score: 5, Informative

      Science.

    3. Re:White-balanced by Sarten-X · · Score: 5, Informative

      As much as I love the awesome idea of moving a chunk of terrain between planets, I'm going to shoot for an informative mod and answer the question.

      There is a sundial mounted on Curiosity, with a few colored stripes on it. Those stripes' colors (red, green, blue, and yellow) were recorded under Earth's lighting, Now that those same stripes are on Mars, their apparent color change in new pictures is the result of Mars' different lighting. By comparing the stripes' pictures, an approprite transformation can be determined, then applied to other pictures to compensate for the change in lighting.

      We are sure because we're assuming that those stripes' actual colors haven't changed significantly during flight or landing.

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    4. Re:White-balanced by necro81 · · Score: 5, Informative

      On the rover are color calibration targets (here is the one for the rover's arm's instruments). We know exactly what the colors of those targets are supposed to look like, when imaged by the cameras on the rover, under normal Earth-like lighting conditions. By looking at how those targets appear in the images we get back under Mars lighting conditions, we can do two things:

      1) Learn a lot about the lighting conditions on Mars.
      2) Correct the appearance of images we get back to correct for that Mars lighting.

    5. Re:White-balanced by Joce640k · · Score: 5, Informative

      Gee, I wonder if such an image could be available on NASA's web site. Nah, that's unthinkable.

      Oh, wait, here it is: http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/multimedia/images/?ImageID=4431

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    6. Re:White-balanced by holmstar · · Score: 4, Informative

      You would, but geologists wouldn't. They are used to what rocks and minerals look like under our own earthly lighting. As such it makes sense to adjust the color of the image to match earth-normal lighting conditions.

    7. Re:White-balanced by HapSlappy_2222 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Even on earth we have this issue (I've made a fairly healthy living navigating through color space to color space and light source to light source over the years). People seem to forget that our own sunlight can vary during the day, geographical location, cloudy days, etc, and indoor lighting is the beast with a billion backs. Even your own eyes can betray you, needing a moment to adjust, and often one eye sees color slightly differently from the other.

      Color scientists have had an absolute color and light source standard to measure against (CIE LAB) or 40+ years; Mars (or anywhere in the universe that receives light in the visible spectrum) fits just dandy into this model for color transformations, it's just a bit further away than usual. The less light there is to measure, the smaller the total color gamut will be, but you can extrapolate pretty well, if you don't mind some +/- errors along the way.

      Typically, a true simulation would need several hundred color swatches for analysis, plus an iterative scanning approach to nail down the color gamut points that are furthest away (say, blues could be further off than reds, so require more attention for a transform). Still, for a general "this is approximately how it'd look on Earth" a 4 swatch RGBY spectrum is close enough.

      It's something like the difference of having a precision of tenths to a precision of hundred-thousandths, when all you're doing is counting apples. You may be plus or minus a tenth of an apple, but so what?

      The only thing that's a little surprising is that they didn't include a calibrated black strip, but I suppose they didn't really need to account for the variation between deep shadow areas or very dark objects in this case.

    8. Re:White-balanced by arth1 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, you probably would see it more like the white balanced photo than the regular one. Your brain is very good at auto white balance.

      Perceptual re-balancing is very different from absolute colorimetric re-balancing, which is what is used here.
      A late evening shot (which this basically is) looks very different when you balance it against a Gretag Macbeth card than if you balance it according to human perception.

      NASAs goal here is clearly to make the picture as useful as possible to those who study them, not to give the public a "true" image of what we would perceive if we were there. I think there should be room for both.

  6. Why is this a surprise? by d3ac0n · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While there may be a few color differences, one iron and silicate planet is likely to look much like another when there is no vegetation covering.

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  7. Both versions by neoshroom · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here is a page on the MSL's site where you can see both versions of the photo:

    http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/multimedia/images/?ImageID=4431

    One is white-balanced and one colored. The white-balanced version represents what the scene would look like to human eyes under an Earth sky. The colored represents what the scene would look like to human eyes on Mars.

    The point of using white-balanced photos is that geologists are used to looking at rocks on Earth. So when a geologist wants to judge rock characteristics using color, it helps to white-balance it so the color is similar to what it would be if looking at those rocks on Earth.

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  8. Re:Truth by kubernet3s · · Score: 4, Informative

    Yyyyeah...they're not "altering" the photo. What they're doing is balancing the color so that people can know what they are seeing. The reason for this is that the Martian atmosphere has radically different color properties from that of our own. What this means is that visible observations cannot be made reliably: for example, a red rock on mars may not actually be red as we understand the color, and so conclusions geoloists make based on a color may be erroneous, because they are basing those conclusions on colors observed under earth's sky.

    If anyone's interested, another scene is shown with and without white balance here: http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap120815.html

  9. Re:Of course the color was corrected, camera is B& by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Informative

    Not really...

    If you don't mind being unable to take color shots of relatively fast moving things, you can use a conventional greyscale sensor, swap color filters between frames, and then crunch the result into a color image(or, if you have the space and don't mind a moderately complex optics package, you can have three greyscale sensors, each with a fixed color filter). If you need a color image within one frame, you use a fixed bayer(or similar) filter and demosaicing. Eats nontrivial resolution compared to the pure greyscale or swapped filters strategy; but you get everything in one shot and fewer moving parts. Then you have the somewhat oddball Foveon approach, where your greyscale sensors are stacked vertically, and use the different rates of absorption in silicon of different frequencies to do the filtering...

    In very broad terms, they all have the 'greyscale sensors and filters' strategy; but there are a fair few ways to go about it. If you count chemical and biological sensors, you are more likely to find sensor elements that are actually tuned to a specific wavelength, rather than filtered to it; but the final image is still a matter of crunching together results from individual elements that are really only giving you intensity data for a relatively narrow slice of frequencies.

  10. It's been ADJUSTED to look like Earth. by danhuby · · Score: 4, Funny

    From the article:

    > The colors in this image are not what a human standing on Mars would see — the presence of dust in the atmosphere would make the scene appear much redder. Instead, the pictures have been white-balanced to show how it would appear under typical Earth lighting conditions.

    So the story is that a photo of Mars that has been adjusted so it looks like Earth to make it easier for geologists to interpret... looks like Earth. Wow.

  11. Re:What else would it look like? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Gosh, some guy on Slashdot wants to move on. Hey, everybody! Stop testing the MSL! Forget all the calibration tests. Drop the checkout sequences. No need to make sure anything is working right. This guy said go. Just apply all available current to all the wheels. No, there's no time to make a traversability map. All power to the forward shields! Damn the torpedos! Full speed ahead!

  12. Re:Mind blown! by nashv · · Score: 4, Informative

    Obviously this must mean that Martian rocks and Earth rocks share a common ancestor!

    Yes. It does. That common ancestor is called the protoplanetary disc which led to the formation of the inner solar system.

    Now go troll somewhere else.

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  13. I'm not sure Mars would look red to human eyes... by Max+Threshold · · Score: 4, Informative

    When the spectrum of ambient light does not match that of "white" light (which is simply the particular spectrum we evolved to perceive), the eye's photoreceptors become disproportionately fatigued, and perception of the light's color drifts toward white. You can experience this phenomenon yourself if you light a room entirely with red party lights. Soon, your red photoreceptors will become fatigued and the colors of objects in the room begin to appear more normal. I think explorers on Mars would experience the same effect. So photos like this are actually how it would look to them.