Side-Effect of the Apple v. Samsung Trial: Increased Sales for Samsung

New submitter jbernardo writes "There seems to be an interesting side-effect of the flawed jury verdict of last Friday — Samsung sales have surged. Even with the approach of the launch of Apple's new iPhone, the Galaxy SIII is sold out in many stores, and there is a measurable increase in sales, according to Trip Chowdhry, the managing director of equity research at Global Equities Research, cited in Forbes. Maybe Apple really managed to convince its customers that Samsung phones are equivalent or better, so they are being overcharged? Or is it a rush to buy the currently best smartphone in the market in case there is an injunction on its sale in the U.S. any time soon?"

Comments

Streisand effect?

[Reibisch]

At this scale? That'd be interesting.

Re:Streisand effect?

[kthreadd]

Fairly sure it's not because of the trial.
There's a lot of factors to consider.

Re:Streisand effect?

[noh8rz8]

My intuition is that this bump is not due to people switching from apple to Samsung. I wouldn't be surprised if they picked up a couple people who would have otherwise gone htc, moto, etc.

Re:Streisand effect?

[EdIII]

Not really all that many factors.

It is supposed to be a kick ass Android product. Pretty good chance it will be banned from sales in the future.

I can easily see people that might have waited otherwise rushing to get it now before they can't. What's the alternative? Apple??

Yeah, right. There are quite a number of people out there that would sooner die then choose Apple because of their shiny retarded walled garden approach to computing. I'll go back to a clamshell phone before I choose Apple for anything.

I don't know what Apple is thinking here. People that want Apple, largely have it. People that will never choose Apple are not going to embrace them, especially if they approach competition like this. Nobody likes to be forced.

Re:Streisand effect?

[Desler]

How is there a 'pretty good chance' of the G3 being banned when it wasn't ruled infringing and isn't part of the list that Apple is asking to be blocked?

Re:Streisand effect?

[dimeglio]

It's simply, imho, a question of what's the newest and greatest. At this time, Apple has the iPhone 4S and Samsung recently released the SIII. It should be popular since people are attracted to new things. Once the iPhone 5 is out and if it has enough of a cool factor, perhaps we'll see another switch in who's on top...

Re:Streisand effect?

[jedidiah]

Samsung has become more trendy independent of this trial.

The public is fickle and Samsung is their new fad. This was something that you might have noticed before this judgement was handing down. This influenced my local iFan to defect from iPhone to G3.

Access to a Samsung tablet also helped. That access was enabled by the fact that a smaller Android tablet represents more of an impulse buy. It's something that is cheap enough that someone might buy it just to try it out.

Now the iFan wants a full sized Galaxy Tab and doesn't pay much attention to her iPad anymore.

Re:Streisand effect?

[wierd_w]

kettle? black much?

Calling hyperbole on something that could be true, then upping that hyperbole by asserting people who would vote with their wallets are mentally deficient seems a bit.. erhm.... Tacky. No?

Me? I havent liked Apple, ever. Nothing about their products strikes me as being desirable. Then again, I am a total nerd. I would go back to a clamshell too if the only touch devices on the market were made by Apple. I would do it out of spite. Since I exist, it is likely that others exist, so the OP's statement may not be such hyperbole.

What I take exception to is being called mentally deficient. I dont care if Apple's phone came with a hotline app straight to God himself. I wouldn't buy it. My choice to do so is motivated by Apple's (VERY LONG) history of spurious barratry and legal shenanigans. I believe that such litigiousness is the root cause of many of my country's problems, and will not willingly support that behavior. If that means buying an inferior phone, so be it.

Re:Streisand effect?

[Chibi Merrow]

Have you used an S3?

Re:Streisand effect?

[gmack]

The obvious hyperbole aside, unless, of course, you were serious and do know of people with such obvious mental deficiencies, it is a bit rich that you would opt for a phone that is more limited and, likely, locked down than an iPhone.

Likely what? Have you never used a Samsung? It is as capable as any other Android phone I've used. You are free to transfer files over USB.or WiFi and there is nothing stopping you from installing apps without using the app store.

On top of that, they don't lock their boot loader so if you don't like their software rooting or installing a custom version of android is very simple.

How does any of that qualify as locked down?

Re:Streisand effect?

[amRadioHed]

Why do you think Samsung phones being popular is a trend or fad? Maybe they're actually making good phones that do what people want.

Re:Streisand effect?

[Anonymous Coward]

Why do you think Samsung phones being popular is a trend or fad? Maybe they're actually making good phones that do what people want.

Long term, pretty much everything is a fad.

Re:Streisand effect?

[wierd_w]

I didnt say that.

I said I would use an inferior phone. More hyperbole?

Re:Streisand effect?

[steelfood]

Samsung phones have been determined to be equivalent to Apple's iPhone. So you don't have to settle for 2nd best anymore.

Re:Streisand effect?

[CharlyFoxtrot]

Maybe they're actually making good phones that do what people want.

When a recent review for a Samsung tablet by an Android site says something like this I doubt it :

"The build quality. Terrible even by Samsung's low standards. The back is actually squishy, and you can feel it deform while holding it. It's noisy too, the plastic creaks, groans, and grinds when you pick it up. Regular, strong plastic would still be unacceptable when everyone else uses aluminum, but this... this is insulting for a $500 tablet"

Re:Streisand effect?

[atlasdropperofworlds]

> If you would rather die than choosing an iPhone

This is why iHate exists. The blatant inability to comprehend sentences coupled with extremely aggressive vitriol. This is what defines the apple fanboy. This is what alienates others even further from the platform - they don't want to be associated with individuals such as this.

Re:Streisand effect?

[anagama]

Show me the free iphone WITHOUT a contract. A contract phone is not free because you end up paying more for service than on a MTM plan.

mtm
$60/mo, "unlimited" talk/text/web (2 gb @ 4G)
http://prepaid-phones.t-mobile.com/monthly-4g-plans

contract
$69.99/mo, "unlimited" talk/text/web (2 gb @ 4G)
http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/plans/individual-plans.aspx

So over two years, the free phone costs 239.76.

Re:Streisand effect?

[Isara]

It also has a lot to do with brand awareness. Before the trial, Samsung was kind of a "generic" brand, not a hip brand like Apple. Now it's gone up against Apple and has a sheen of the bad boy, and people will remember its name when they go looking for phones.

Re:Streisand effect?

[EdIII]

let alone anyone else, would clearly exhibit a dearth of faculties, as you would be willing to forfeit your existence over something so trivial as a piece of technology.

Your failure is thinking the choice of technology is trivial. It is not trivial, but in fact crucial to our very future. That is not hyperbole.

How we approach computing in the future with respect to freedom, privacy, and anonymity will be a deciding factor in the very nature of freedom, privacy, and anonymity outside of computing.

It is inarguable that our lives in cyberspace and "meat space" are progressively becoming so intertwined as to be effectively indistinguishable. If you want to argue that is untrue, explain how somebody was arrested for a tweet? How the stock markets can lost a half a billion in a matter of moments affecting the economies? How we could have massive power outages due to negligence or malicious hackers? How an incorrectly entered piece of data in an insurance carrier platform can result in suspended license plates and somebody being pulled over and arrested? How child porn could be put on a machine and result in the loss of freedom for an individual?

The walled garden is a very simple paradigm:

1) You own nothing.
2) Your very existence is at the discretion of the garden. Failure to comply with the will of the garden can result in punishment, which can be all the way up to expulsion from the garden.
3) You may only perform actions that are compliance with the will of the garden.
4) You may not perform any actions that could endanger the garden, or make it less "shiny".
5) The garden cannot be wrong.

At first glance that may seem like hyperbole, but is quite accurate.

Now apply that to real life and see if you would not be part of a revolution to overthrow it .

Re:Streisand effect?

[pdabbadabba]

What if I told you that Samsung has also sued its competitors for patent infringement?

Re:Streisand effect?

[amRadioHed]

My Galaxy Nexus has none of those issues and is a solid phone that I'm very happy with. Since my personal anecdote trumps random person on the Internet's anecdote, Q.E.D.

Re:Streisand effect?

[GPierce]

Jobs sunk Apple back in the early 1980s due to his anal-retentive approach to marketing. Large numbers of potential developers took one look at the developers agreement of the time and decide to become IBM PC developers.

If it weren't for Apples superior graphics, the probably would have lost everyone. Similarly, the end-user market rejected Apple because you couldn't install a third-party hard drive. If Apple didn't offer it, you couldn't get it.

There is nothing irrational about refusing to do business with this kind of company. Jobs saved their butt with a truly creative product design - and then proved that in thirty years, he hadn't learned a damn thing. In two years, Android has taken over half the market. In five years, Apple will be back to being a marginal player with about 10% market share. .

Supporting this kind of company demonstrates a kind of mental deficiency. The intelligent rational people will avoid Apple products until we see that Apple has finally learned something and changed it's evil ways.

Re:Streisand effect?

[Anubis IV]

Keep referring to it as "G3" and Apple might have something to say about it. ;)

Re:Streisand effect?

[ilsaloving]

The only reason it's crammed full of garbage is because it's the current top mobile store and everyone wants to try to make a buck.

There is is also a large amount of crap on the android store. And while yes you can use other stores, you also risk installing malicious software. Even Google's store has been hit several times. While Apple's app store is hardly trouble-free, it's still much a much safer option to use if you don't know enough to tell if the app you're about to install is actually legit.

Re:Streisand effect?

[Krojack]

When site review makes comments such as "The back is actually squishy, and you can feel it deform while holding it." I start taking everything else with a grain of salt. To tell if this is true just drive to a store that has them on display and see for yourself.

This is why I also ignore ALL movie critics. They never see things the same as I do.

Re:Streisand effect?

[viperidaenz]

That might depend on the iPhone 5 dock connector. Rumor has it it's going to change and no one will be able to used their old accessories.

Re:Streisand effect?

[Nexzus]

Meh. I have a work supplied S3 that I got after I cracked the screen of my Desire HD.

I like some aspects of the phone - its screen, its speediness (both processing and downloading), its weight.

However, there's a few things that irk me about the stock build (no desire to root it ATM):

• can't disable Confirm Delete prompt in the email app
• no stock music player controls on the lock screen when secured with PIN
• stock web browser can't always wrap text properly
• no comma without longpress on the stock keyboard
• no new email notification if the phone is locked with the email app active
• and Samsung widgets suck ass compared to their HTC counterparts

Yes, I am aware that most of my complaints have the word "stock" in them, and really that's the best feature of Android - its robustness for change. However, I didn't have any of these issues with my bone stock Desire HD, and I wished I was given the option of HTC One X instead of the S3, but oh well. It is what it is.

A phone can have the most impressive specs imaginable, but if you don't like actually using it, what's the point?

Re:Streisand effect?

[beck24]

Anecdotal of course, but I just switched from an iPhone to a Samsung. Knowledge of the potential injunction played a small but not insignificant part, though mostly it was a price vs functionality decision. The Samsung was just the better deal.

Re:Streisand effect?

[msauve]

That didn't mean you couldn't install or use a third party drive. Third parties just needed to provide their own drivers. Although they had better performance, and allowed more drives (and device types) on the bus, SCSI drives were more varied than the ST-506 and PATA drives they overlapped.

Apple simply didn't want to support drives they hadn't done their own testing on, so left it to the third parties to support them.

Regardless, the GP statement that you couldn't install a third party drive was incorrect. By the logic of that claim, PCs wouldn't let you install network adapters, because you had to install drivers, while all Macs came with networking built in.

Re:Streisand effect?

[PeanutButterBreath]

That is true, but how is it relevant?. Parent is concerned that by purchasing apps, he is sending money to apple. I'm pointing out that many apps are free, and he can purchase them without sending money to apple.

It is relevant if the free apps are garbage, and apps worth having require the user to send money to Apple.

And all the default apps are already great, so you can make phone calls, send text messages etc right out of the box.

Wow, out-of-the-box calling and text messaging with a phone? What a coup! I hope Apple got a patent for these innovations.

Re:Streisand effect?

[viperidaenz]

Sweet deal for everyone but the customers. Maybe I should invest in some iPhone accessory companies...

Re:Streisand effect?

[otterpop81]

Show me the free iphone WITHOUT a contract. A contract phone is not free because you end up paying more for service than on a MTM plan.

So over two years, the free phone costs 239.76.

Unfortunately, that doesn't matter to most people because most people don't care what anything actually costs; they just care how much per month it costs, and even that doesn't mater (in this case) because many of those people can't afford to shell out for a phone outright, at least for their definition of the word "afford."

I'd like to see the google-style model of cell phone purchasing take off and get us as a society off this contract business, but if the current product offerings are any indication, that's not what the majority of people want. It's sad really. Most people are perfectly happy for "free" to mean "you pay more every month for 24 months."

People Worried?

[Techmeology]

Law of unexpected consequences: Perhaps people are worried that Samsung devices will become unavailable?

Re:People Worried?

[noh8rz8]

How does it limit customer choice? Samsung will go back to the drawing board and come out with some killer features that don't infringe. Wouldn't that be more customer choice?

Re:People Worried?

[MikeBabcock]

Killer new features on phones that don't infringe on Apple's patents in question (while disallowing prior art as this jury did) would be nearly impossible, considering the actual areas Apple was complaining about.

Icon shape and dispersion? Jeez.

Re:People Worried?

[noh8rz8]

It will limit customer choice in the short term, but in 6 months a diverse phone ecosystem will bloom. Winning.

Re:People Worried?

[CanHasDIY]

It prevents people from buying a phone that has everything that they like about the iPhone, but without being subjected to Apple's walled garden approach.

FTFY - personally, I agree that it's better to not be locked down to what the manufacturer thinks you should be allowed to have access to, but I also understand that's a completely subjective position to hold, so I won't say it's necessarily 'better'; just better for me.

This is exacerbated by Apple's own policies that hinder their customer's ability to make their own improvements to their own property.

Anyone who thinks they actually own any Apple product really needs to give the EULA they agreed to a good, thorough read.

Re:People Worried?

[PeanutButterBreath]

Its about more than the App Store. There are plenty of reasons why someone might want an iPhone-like handset that improves on the iPhone. Different screen size, removable storage, better calling performance, lower price-point, disagreement with Apple's corporate ethic, etc.

Yes.

[JCCyC]

Cue Nelson Muntz laugh.

Bias

[Anonymous Coward]

flawed jury verdict

Apple's new shinny

the currently best smartphone in the market

Whoever wrote this made it a touch too clear their loathing for Apple and preference for Samsung.

Re:Bias

[Anonymous Coward]

Agreed. Here's a wholly anti-Samsung piece to even things out:

http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2012/08/26/devils-advocates-play-up-sympathy-for-samsung-after-apple-trial/

Re:Bias

[Baloroth]

Haha, thanks for linking to that article, it's quite a hoot to read.

if you read anything about the legal skirmish between Apple and Samsung, and replace “patent infringement” with “real estate title arguments,” the entire argument of the IP communists collapses into dust.

"IP communists"? Really? I think that insult is about 30 years out of date. The irony here, of course, is that copying someone else's product and outselling them doing so is perhaps the ultimate capitalist move.

Re:Bias

[Forty Two Tenfold]

Can we all educate ourselves and consequently stop treating "communist" as a pejorative term?

Re:Bias

[djchristensen]

I'm with you. When the most valuable company in the world, EVER, goes whining to the courts because another company has phones with "pinch zooming" and "rubber-band scrolling", I cannot respect that company and will avoid their products. I mean really, how many iPhone purchases honestly didn't happen because Samsung had these features? Certainly they would have played zero role in any decision I have or would have made.

There are four iPods and an iPad in my household, but those are the last Apple products I'll willingly buy (with a wife and kids, can't really say absolutely never). I'll be getting a smartphone and likely a small tablet for myself soon and won't even consider an iPhone or iPad, with Apple's legal behavior being responsible for going from "would consider" to "no freaking way".

Re:Bias

[jc42]

But I can loathe a company that tries to stop competition with frivolous lawsuits, that copies everything and patents the most obvious stuff to stop others doing the same, blocking innovation the same way James Watt's patents blocked the evolution of the steam engine for 30 years.

It's interesting to read comments pointing out what assorted historians have been saying for a long time: The primary use of patent laws has always been to block technical progress. We keep hearing the propaganda (enshrined in the US Constitution, among other places), that patent law is to encourage progress. But the historical evidence is contrary to this.

The only actual use of a patent to to prevent your competitors from using something. Yes, you can use it to extract royalties, but this is just an indirect way of making the products more expensive, and thus interfering with competitors' development and sales.

But more important than price is the effect of multiple patents. The historians' explanation of Watts' delay of the steam locomotive is that a practical locomotive required a number of other inventions in addition to Watt's efficient steam engine. But Watt and several other inventors each wanted to own it all, and refused to license their inventions to each other unless they each got the lion's share of the results. They pretty much all held out until their patents expired. Then, since Watt had the largest bunch of good engineers working for him, he was able to quickly start manufacturing and selling practical locomotives. He became rather wealthy late in life, but could have become rich decades earlier if he and the other inventors hadn't been so greedy, and had agreed to share the proceeds in a reasonable manner.

Part of the history is also the patenting of well-known ideas. But that's a different story from Watt's. It is a lot of what's going on now in the US, as exemplified by the Apple-Samsung case. We have somewhat reduced it to an ongoing series of jokes about patenting a rectangle with rounded corners. But it's a lot more pervasive than that. There was a cute offshoot of this humor yesterday on SMBC, based on the idea of lawyers in India filing suit against the Western computer industry, based on the fact that the number 0 was invented in India, and stolen by Western traders. (Actually, it was stolen by Arabian traders, but that's "Western" to people in India. ;-)

Re:Bias

[msauve]

"the most valuable company in the world, EVER"

You've never heard of the Dutch East India Company, have you?

galaxy s 3 shouldn't be under the banhammer.

[gl4ss]

galaxy s 3 shouldn't be under the banhammer - however it's been on the news due to this a lot.

it's more likely it's something to do with start of school year though.

To ban or not to ban...

[jeffmeden]

Maybe Apple really managed to convince its customers that Samsung phones are equivalent or better, so they are being overcharged? Or is it a rush to buy the currently best smartphone in the market in case there is an injunction on its sale in the US any time soon?"

It's the latter. Hell, I have been asked (as someone who is known for reading a tech blog or two) if one should worry about their *existing* handset being taken away or somehow immobilized, thanks to the verdict. People just don't get what is going on, and some of them who interpreted the news coverage as an ad for Samsung, saw the "banned sales" headlines and rushed out to buy devices. Hey, if they are worth banning, they must be good right? Just like (make-believe) gun bans threatened in the wake of certain political parties, or bans on the sale of incandescent light bulbs. People react strangely, and they almost NEVER react in favor of whatever it is that the government/courts/etc. threaten to, they do the opposite.

Re:To ban or not to ban...

[LynnwoodRooster]

But in the typical consumer's mind, a small 3.5" screen MUST be cheaper than the big 4.8" screen of the S3, thus Apple MUST have a higher profit on the unit - it shouldn't cost the same, the iPhone 4S should be cheaper.

Many factors to consider here...

[cynop]

The trial was only one of the factors to consider here. The overall growth of the android ecosystem should be accounted for. Also keep in mind that smartphone sales are surging overall ( http://arstechnica.com/business/2012/08/more-than-half-of-all-handsets-will-be-smartphones-in-2013/ ) so it makes sense for Samsung's phones to sell more.

It would help to see the recent sales figures of other notable android manufacturers like HTC and LG to decide if the exposure from the trial had a noticeable effect

Fairly sure it's because of the trial

[gentryx]

...and the coverage in the news. Here is a nice story on how people react on the verdict.

Re:Fairly sure it's because of the trial

[BasilBrush]

Very imaginative.

Just bought mine

[Anonymous Coward]

I went and bought a Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 even though it wasn't a part of the lawsuit or a ruling against the Samsung Galaxy Tab line. I had been scouting it out for a few months now. Even though I disagree with the ruling, I wanted to buy it before an increase in price due to licensing fees, in case Samsung decides to license the technologies that were borderline borrowed from Apple.

Oh man, I can't wait for the Apple Shinny!

[InvisibleClergy]

Is it gonna be a tablet? A phone? A prosthetic limb? The iShinny, the new iProsthetic iLimb from Apple.

Scarcity Drives Sales

[torkus]

Title says it all. How many people did you know bought a Wii because they "saw it in stock somewhere" and figured they should get it while they had the chance?

Apple's trying to slam down the banhammer on Samsung so of course it drives up perceived scarcity (or scarcity-to-be). Same reason every single sale is 'limited time, act now or miss out' and so on.

Also keep in mind Apple gave Samsung tons of free publicity. I'm comfortable saying that anyone who uses a cell phone knows what an iPhone is, but until now not as many people knew Samsung sells such 'obviously similiar' products. They sure do now. Oh, and they're cheaper? Wait...maybe I should run out and get one while I still can. People who follow tech trials are also plenty fed up with patent nonsense so heck, let's support the underdog. They tend to innovate better anyhow.

So really, I'm not surprised at all.

Re:Scarcity Drives Sales

[noh8rz8]

How are they cheaper? Apple has phones at $100 / 200 / 300 price points. This is pretty standard across the board.

Re:Scarcity Drives Sales

[CharlyFoxtrot]

People who follow tech trials are also plenty fed up with patent nonsense so heck, let's support the underdog. They tend to innovate better anyhow.

Samsung ... the underdog ? This is a mega conglomerate that had a revenue of $247.5 billion in 2011 compared to Apple's $108.249 billion

What's a 'shinny' ?

[tekrat]

"Even with the approach of the launch of Apple's new shinny,..."

Is this some kind of iKnee replacement? It's a shin-bone that plays music and accesses Siri? I've never of this product.... Please advise.

Re:What's a 'shinny' ?

[strength_of_10_men]

Can't tell if that was an allusion to the Simpsons but it's oh-so-fitting.

Groundskeeper Willy: [gasps] Boy... you read my thoughts! You've got the Shinning.
Bart Simpson: You mean "Shining".
Groundskeeper Willy: [sotto voce] Shh! You want to get sued?

Re:Could that post be more biased?

[jythie]

Yeah, but it is important to many geeks to believe that whatever they personally like is the objective best.. which is why you see so many rants about the inferiority of the competition or how people are only buying the other product because they are brainwashed or stupid or image conscious or any other number of reasons that assist in the speaker having to confront the idea that intelligent people can like different things.

Wow, run on sentence....

Re:Could that post be more biased?

[Nertskull]

I think the implication is to say the phone itself is best based on specs. I agree "best" in terms of which OS you like is subjective. But the physical specs of the phone currently are the best available. That will obviously change soon. But a 4 core 1.4ghz processor vs a 2 core 0.8ghz processor is "better" in terms of core specifications.

The Register says exact opposite

[Sooner Boomer]

On 30th August 2012 00:44 GMT, there was an article on The Register titled "Customers dumping Samsung phones in wake of Apple suit"

Apple CEO Tim Cook might be pleased with the verdict in his company's recent patent legislation against Samsung, but Samsung customers are definitely not, according to the market watchers at mobile phone trade-in firm Gazelle. "Consumers seem to be jumping ship," Anthony Scarsella, Gazelle's "chief gadget officer," told MarketWatch. "We expect this trend to continue, especially with this latest verdict." Scarsella says his company, which buys used mobile phones from consumers, has seen a 50 per cent increase in the number of customers looking to unload Samsung kit since Monday alone. The sudden upsurge in supply has led Gazelle to drop the prices it pays for Samsung mobiles by 10 per cent.

So which is it? Buying or dumping?

Re:The Register says exact opposite

[Shatrat]

Also, consumers selling old samsung phones does not contradict consumers buying new samsung phones.
In fact, I would guess that many of those people bought a Galaxy S3 and then sold their Galaxy 1 or 2.

Re:The Register says exact opposite

[R3d M3rcury]

Both?

Perhaps they're dumping their old Samsung phone so that they can buy something new. Or perhaps they believe they won't be able to legally resell the phone later, so they'd better act now.

Unlikely people are afraid of an injunction

[atlasdropperofworlds]

> Or is it a rush to buy the currently best smartphone in the market in case there is an injunction on its sale in the US any time soon?

No. The S3 is not listed as one of the phones and injunction is going against. It's the S, and S2 variants. The S3, Nexus. and others are in the clear.

Re:Unethical behavior

[shutdown -p now]

I doubt this has much to do with "ethical behavior". More likely, quite a few people have suddenly found out that Apple is not the only choice for smartphones & tablets, and that its competitors are actually good enough that Apple is worried about them.

Fallacy

[Celarent Darii]

This is a classic example of the 'post-hoc' ergo 'propter-hoc' fallacy.

The fact that the trial was against Samsung really has very little to do with how many units they sold. People buy stuff mostly because it responds to a (perceived) need, not because some judge in California thinks they stole something from Apple.

If anything it only gave them free advertising, but that doesn't necessarily lead to sales, especially since the advertising is somewhat negative.

Re:Fallacy

[Nethemas the Great]

This is a classic case of someone with a very modest education--but knows some Latin buzz phrases--trying to reach beyond their resources in an attempt to position themselves as superior.

Apple's Response

[theEnguneer]

According to Apple, this phenomenon is due to the fact that shoppers are actually trying to buy Apple products, but are mistaking Samsung products for them.

Re:Apple's Response

[firesyde424]

I think the parent is being sarcastic, but I seem to remember something very close to that being stated by Apple during the trial. It baffled me when I heard it. Apparently, Samsung has so closely copied some of Apple's devices that people can go into a store looking for an Apple product, walk out of the store with a product that instead of the distinctive Apple logo, has the word "Samsung" on it, and think they have purchased an iDevice.

Re:Apple's Response

[Richy_T]

To be fair, they are Apple users. Or at least would be if they could.

Remember, folks

[ThatsNotPudding]

Just like (make-believe) gun bans threatened in the wake of certain political parties,

Apple phones don't kill people, SAMSUNG PHONES DO.

Other sites report the exect opposite

[CharlyFoxtrot]

Marketwatch sees a completely different phenomenon :

"While many experts predict Apple Inc.’s court victory over Samsung could shake up the wireless industry over the long term, it’s already having an impact on one key area: the resale market.

Since the $1.05 billion verdict Friday — which found that Samsung infringed on six Apple AAPL -1.04% patents — customers of Samsung have been dumping their Android products on at least one major resale site. Gazelle.com reports a 50% increase in Samsung smartphones over the past three days, which has led to a 10% drop in prices for those devices"

Spelling fun - unintended meanings

[zooblethorpe]

There are quite a number of people out there that would sooner die then choose Apple because of their shiny retarded walled garden approach to computing.

This is the first time I've ever heard of Apple being so good that even the deceased prefer Apple products. :-P

I think you meant than (comparative: "A is bigger than B") rather than then (adverbial: "Alice ate, then met Bob").

</pedantic>

I'm surprised at who is now making fun of Apple

[FauxReal]

There's been a new comedic meme emerging, "Anything you do might get you sued by Apple." and people are starting to run with it. Maybe the 1 Billion dollar verdict sounds ridiculous to people who's assets are measured in thousands?

Non-technophile and iphone owning friends of mine are posting memegenerator images or making silly comments about the lawsuit on Facebook. I'm seeing the same stuff from random people on sites like imgur and tumblr. Samsung also just unveiled a new Galaxy mirrorless interchangeable lens (AKA 4/3s AKA 3rd gen) android powered digital camera that some people are excited about.

Personally, I'm not sure on what the reason is but I am surprised at how many people aren't cheering for Apple in this one.

Re:Aside from the obvious "new shiny" stuff

[Citizen of Earth]

On the other hand, the prices of electronics have been known to go down over time.

Re:Walled garden

[Anguirel]

My problem with iProducts is that iTunes is malware, as far as I'm concerned, and Apple expects you to do just about everything through iTunes.

I've found ways around it, eventually, but doing something as simple as importing e-books I'd bought well before the iPhone existed took multiple hours to figure out (for a device marketed as "simple to use, UI-is-everything, it just works"). I tried to add them as "Books" to the device. Nope. Apparently that only applies to the iBooks program, so it has to be in the Apple format already. I tried drag-and-drop. Nope. I looked for other ways to get them onto the device within iTunes and didn't see anything obvious. I ended up using Calibre, a third-party program, to import the books to Stanza. And then discovered that if I wanted to test out a competing e-Book reader app, I need to import the books again, because there's absolutely no data sharing between apps. That's also what clued me in to how to add things in iTunes -- you need to have the app installed first, and import it straight to a specific app.

If you're willing to do everything inside the Walled Garden, sure it works. As soon as you want to step outside, even for data, it's not quite so easy, and can often be quite a hassle.

My advice to Apple

[GrahamCox]

Pare down your legal department to a skeleton staff of just enough to handle the day-to-day needs of a company, and turn the budget over to the developers. You're in a hole. Stop digging. The way to win hearts and minds and customers is to stop being such an arrogant prick of a company and make stuff people want. The whole Mac vs Windows 95 thing is starting to unfold all over again. Have you learned nothing? I'm an Apple developer and have been for a long time (note to readers: this in no way equates with "fanboy". It's my living). Even I'm bored to the back teeth with this case and don't see it doing anything but harm. So, Samsung copied you. Boo hoo. Make something better and people will buy it.

Re:Walled garden

[Karlt1]

"My problem with iProducts is that iTunes is malware, as far as I'm concerned, and Apple expects you to do just about everything through iTunes."

I'm assuming you're talking about the desktop software and not the store, if that's the case....

1. I listen to music via Rhapsody, Pandora
2. I buy e-books via Amazon and read them with the Kindle app
3. I stream movies to my devices via Plex, Netflix, Amazon Instant, Crackle, etc.
4. I backup my phone via iCloud
5. I upgrade my phone over Wifi
6. I buy apps on the phone
7. I buy music on my phone.

"I've found ways around it, eventually, but doing something as simple as importing e-books I'd bought well before the iPhone existed took multiple hours to figure out"

That says more about you, than the phone...easiest way is to e-mail it to yourself, use DropBox, or use iTunes.

" Nope. Apparently that only applies to the iBooks program, so it has to be in the Apple format already. I"

iBooks supports the ePub format and PDFs

" That's also what clued me in to how to add things in iTunes -- you need to have the app installed first, and import it straight to a specific app."

Or email it to yourself.....