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Leak Shows What Could Be Nokia's New Windows Phone 8 Devices
Nerval's Lobster writes "Did images of Nokia's upcoming Windows Phone 8 smartphones leak a few days early? That's the question after a Twitter feed, @evleaks, posted a set of images early on Aug. 31. The first, it claimed, was of the '4.3-inch Nokia Lumia 820,' while the second purported to show the '4.5-inch Nokia Lumia 920 with PureView.' Corporate-sanctioned leaks are a fairly regular thing in the tech world, but they tend to follow well-defined patterns: a public-relations executive — wait, sorry, 'unnamed source' — will email a journalist with an image of an upcoming device, for example, or a disgruntled former engineer will data-dump information onto their blog. Glossy publicity images originating from a new, relatively unknown Twitter feed is less common, although the Twitter feed in question has leaked other images in the past."
MS is not to be trusted? But somehow Google and Apple are paragons of virtue? Sure, it always pays to be skeptical of Microsoft, but no more so than any of the other major players in the phone wars.
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I'm on VMo, and most of their options are POS androids. They have an iPHone but they're like $500. If they had a sub$200 windows phone, I would jump at it. I'm not invested in the android ecosystem, except for angry birds.
True story - I downloaded a game called "plumber pipes" or something like that, where you connected pipe pieces from one end to the other. It had "targeted" ads - they were all for pipes and plumbing equipment!
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OH no they used the round corners that are claimed to be innovated and owned by Apple..!!
did you even bother to look at the link? the 820 has barely rounded corners (bezel is rounded, but front plate is square), while the 920 is right angles. there's more than one way to build a phone!
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non-twitter location for these please?
Some people love to kick a man when he is down, probably because it's hard to disagree with them (he is on the ground, and he got there some how). The same people were probably writing off apple 10 years ago.
MS is not to be trusted? But somehow Google and Apple are paragons of virtue? Sure, it always pays to be skeptical of Microsoft, but no more so than any of the other major players in the phone wars.
They screwed the owners of their last two attempts - Windows Mobile and Windows Phone.
To compare, Apple's iPhone 3GS will get support for iOS 6 - and it was released more than 3 years ago.
So buying a Windows Phone falls into the category of "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me".
What exactly is so bad about it? With the new upcoming update, they've pretty much fixed all the complaints I've ever seen. New hardware should be on par with any other phone, there's a variety of hardware, the app ecosystem is increasing at at exponential rate. At this point, iOS is looking like the least capable of the group. iPhone still don't support external SD cards, and the hardware is limited to exactly what Apple offers. The only thing Apple still has going for it are apps, but that strength is ephemeral, especially when Windows Phone 8 and Windows 8 share a same codebase; I predict many developers of Windows 8 metro apps and games will port them right over to Windows Phone 8.
I hope this isn't the real debut of the Pureview technology on Windows Phone.
With that tiny lens assembly, it seems inevitable if it is the real deal that large compromises will have been made to the image quality.
For those who don't know, the Nokia Pureview technology, currently found only on a single Symbian phone, is a breakthrough in imaging quality on smartphones/compact cameras. It is hands-down the best image quality on any smartphone, it is arguably the very best compact camera in the world, and in some circumstances has even been demonstrated to outperform mirrorless cameras like micro 4/3.
by the way, what is the linked site, anyway? it's like a technology blog, but slashdot branded? when did this happen? http://slashdot.org/topic/cloud/
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Except according to actual WP7 owners, the 7.8 solution is fine: http://www.wpcentral.com/poll-results-majority-windows-phone-users-happy-proposed-78-update
Of 6400 respondants, 54% said they're happy, 20% said they're not but staying with windows phone, 20% said they're not sure, and only 6% said they're leaving Windows Phone.
Personally, I'm happy with the decision. They're moving the platform forward yet still porting features for legacy owners. I bought a Lumia 900 about a month before this news and I'm still happy with it. It does everything I want, and will be getting more features in the future. Most non-hardware related features are being ported back to the Lumia 900. By the time I'm ready for a new phone, Windows Phone 8 will be all the better.
As for you comparison to iOS, my Girlfriend has a 3GS. To say that it runs all the latest apps and the lates OS is a bit misleading, as she's missing features, and many of the latest apps and games built for 4 or 4S hardware cause her phone to lag and many of them just crash randomly. The same can be said for my iPad 1 and apps like Infinity Blade, Netflix, and MLB AtBat 2012. This is almost the same situation Microsoft is giving to Windows Phone users, except they're being upfront by calling it WP7.8 instead of WP8.
Another reason not to bother.. "leaks" = hype
*sigh* just another ad
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I don't trust Microsoft and I don't trust Apple, I have a bit of trust for Google though. Google though has not acted in anticompetitive fashion they have used their patents only defensively. Google gives away the source code for their operating system so if you don't trust them you can read through the source code and compile and modify, or pay someone else to. Lets see Microsoft or Apple* do that.
*no darwin does not count because google givesaway the whole system where apple only years ago gave away pieces. Oh and when are we going to see the arm port?
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I'd certainly accept that Windows Phone 7 owners might legitimately feel screwed, but Windows Mobile owners certainly were not - they had a long run prior to WP7 coming on the scene.
Also, while Apple does tend to release iOS for older iPhones, its a hugely mixed bag - my iPhone 3G was basically unusable after the iOS 4 upgrade, so much so that I looked elsewhere. So yes, Apple might "cater" for older phones, but you had better be seriously careful what you wish for, because theres a difference between something being available and something being nice to use.
These could have been MeeGo phones, with QT and the nice UI from Nokia N9.
I guess MS would have none of that.
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Look at it for a few minutes and then realize... It's slashdot redone in the Metro UI. Muahhhaa! Slashdot has given in!
I love my WP7 phone (currently on Mango -- haven't received the Tango update). I'll go to WP7.8 when it's available and WP8 when ready to renew my phone.
People complain about older devices not getting updates, but every company does it. At some point software surpasses the capabilities of the hardware. It sucks for the Nokia owners, but the other models were old enough that it's not that surprising.
Some people love to kick a man when he is down, probably because it's hard to disagree with them (he is on the ground, and he got there some how). The same people were probably writing off apple 10 years ago.
10 years ago people were saying that Apple didn't have a chance. That's not what he's saying about Microsoft. He's saying 'they can't be trusted, don't give them a chance'. Agree or not, it's a different sentiment (and earned, imho).
My Droid 1 is running ICS and will soon run JB.
That is the advantage of an open source OS.
Except looking at a picture of cell phone is about the same as looking at a generic ATX case and saying "Look at how fast this computer is!"
This bears repeating.
http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2011/11/03/navegante/1320329583.html
MÃ"VILES | Ãsltimos modelos del fabricante
Nokia eligià nombre 'Lumia' pese a saber que significa 'prostituta' en español
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Actualizado jueves 03/11/2011 15:13 horas
El fabricante finlandés de teléfonos mÃviles Nokia decidià bautizar su nueva gama de dispositivos dotados de Windows Phone con el nombre de 'Lumia' pese a saber que ese término significa 'prostituta' en español, informaron medios locales.
Después de que Nokia presentara la semana pasada el Lumia 800 y el Lumia 710, sus primeros teléfonos inteligentes equipados con el sistema operativo de Microsoft, diversos medios de comunicaciÃn, foros y redes sociales calificaron la elecciÃn de este nombre como una "grave metedura de pata" de la compañÃa.
Sin embargo, Nokia explicà que conocÃa esta acepciÃn, aunque finalmente se escogià el nombre porque 'lumia' es "una palabra española muy antigua caÃda en desuso desde hace tiempo".
SegÃn el diccionario de la Real Academia Española, 'lumia' es un sustantivo poco usado y de origen incierto que significa 'prostituta', y al igual que su variante 'lumi', forma también parte del argot urbano. ...
"Los resultados mostraron que mÃs del 60 por ciento de los consumidores españoles pensà que era un gran nombre para un producto de tecnologÃa mÃvil. Les sugerÃa en primer lugar 'luz' y 'estilo', en lugar del otro significado, mÃs oscuro y negativo", explicà la compañÃa en su blog oficial.
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So let's do the math. "More than 60 percent" can mean 66, so let's call it 2/3rds. The other third thinks you have a filthy mouth.
Heh heh
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Look at it for a few seconds and then realize some one sold out to FB timeline...
My Droid 1 is running ICS and will soon run JB. That is the advantage of an open source OS.
What advantage? The iPhone 3GS was released a few months before the Droid and the 3GS runs the latest version of iOS 5 and will soon be running iOS 6.
iPhone 3GS runs like a dog with iOS5 with everything possible disabled. It crashes if Safari has more than two tabs open, although sometimes also one is enough. Everything after iOS4 was a huge downgrade for iPhone 3GS.
What exactly is so bad about it? With the new upcoming update, they've pretty much fixed all the complaints I've ever seen.
Can I now save a draft of my SMS?
I mean, I understand that such a novel feature couldn't be expected in a phone, but maybe Microsoft could be innovative?
Except according to actual WP7 owners, the 7.8 solution is fine
All three of them?
"Google gives away the source code for their operating system so if you don't trust them you can read through the source code and compile and modify, or pay someone else to."
So if Google is all about openness, where is the source code for their search algorithm, GMail, or any of their other software that gives them a competitive advantage?
Of course they give away the source code to Android, it's not worth anything to them. They make no money off of Android and 66% of their mobile profits comes from iOS.
My Droid 1 is running ICS and will soon run JB.
That is the advantage of an open source OS.
What advantage? The iPhone 3GS was released a few months before the Droid and the 3GS runs the latest version of iOS 5 and will soon be running iOS 6.
The 3GS is painfully slow in iOS5. It's good that it works, but users should be warned before upgrading.
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> Of course they give away the source code to Android, it's not worth anything to them. They make no money off of Android and 66% of their mobile profits comes from iOS.
Wait, what? So they spent, and continue spending time and money on developing Android, and then give it away because "it's not worth anything for them"? Dude, I don't know what point you was trying to make, but you're painting them as freaking philantropes right there. "Hey, I've spent lots to build this, but you can have it! Really, I don't mind, it's not worth anything to me!"
Next time better think your bashing^Wargument through.
Why are you making drafts of 160-char messages? That doesn't seem like an even slightly important feature.
With that said, you pretty much can through one of two mechanisms:
Copy the drafted text to the clipboard and then paste it into a text to yourself (yes, you can copy text out of a SMS as well, so it's not that hard to recover) or simply leave the text half-composed, hit the Start button (or press-and-hold the Back button to switch to another app), and when you want to get back to your "draft" just use the task switcher to get back to the still-open SMS session, with your draft text sitting there waiting for you.
The first of these has been possible since NoDo (1.5 years), the second since Mango (1 year).
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My Droid 1 is running ICS and will soon run JB. That is the advantage of an open source OS.
What advantage? The iPhone 3GS was released a few months before the Droid and the 3GS runs the latest version of iOS 5 and will soon be running iOS 6.
The 3GS is painfully slow in iOS5. It's good that it works, but users should be warned before upgrading.
And the Droid 1 is not painfully slow in Android 4 (ICS) compared to the Droid 4?
The Droid 1 suffers even more than the iPhone 3GS. The Droid going from a 550 MHz single core CPU to a 1.2 GHz dual core while the iPhone goes from 600 MHz single core to 800 MHz dual core.
Actually it all depends on the application. I test on a 3GS running iOS 5. Slower but not painfully so. If your app does not take advantage of dual core (or more accurately threading) the boost is not that great. Keep in mind that a snappier more responsive user interface does not necessarily indicate performance. The user interface may update more quickly on a dual core but the task initiated by the previous action may still take about the same amount of time. User interface design and coding is sometimes about manufacturing the perception of performance.
You don't sue someone with no money.
I'm curious to hear your explanation of why the iPhone 4 can't run Siri in iOS5 and how is that different from the Lumia 900 getting the most obvious new feature from WP 8 (the new Start Screen) but not the other - mainly hardware dependent - features?
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Root that puppy and install "Adfree Android" to block most ads from ever becoming an annoyance again.
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My droid 1 is clocked at 1.2Ghz.
The lack of ram is a far bigger issue for the D1 and the 3GS than the CPU.
That's a poll put to the users of wpcentral.com
The contention is that Microsoft screwed over its users, and this assertion is coming from people who a) don't use Windows Phone b) never intended to use Windows Phone c) have a history of campaigning against windows phone and d) have no actual data supporting their assertions. I've presented a survey from users who disagree. In one sentence you assert wpcentral is full of fanboys and only view WP in a positive view, yet in the next sentence you assert that since the numbers weren't overwhelmingly positive it goes to show even fanboys don't like the change. And you call me a spinmeister.
How about reaching the obvious conclusion: that wpcentral is not a site of fanboys and represents a varied opinion. I can't imagine you spend a lot of time there if you think the community is all fanboys. What we are is a community of *users* who, as users, are well aware of the shortcomings and limitations of our platform, and are well aware of what WP8 is bringing to the table. We bought these devices because they fit our needs best, and the existence of another OS in the future does not change the decision we made in the past to go with WP7. When they announced WP8, my Lumia 900 did not suddenly become a worse device, and it will be getting features from WP8, so its lifespan is increased.
And before you say "get her an iphone" let me just say, apple can stuff it where the sun don't shine. MS may be a bad player sometimes, but apple is just a bloody cult.
Good idea. Get a phone from a company proven to misbehave verses a phone that other people like because other people like it.
Have any of you checked the "new digg.com" ? :)
My droid 1 is clocked at 1.2Ghz.
Your 2009 Droid 1 is running at 1.2GHz rather than the 550MHz (underclocked from 600MHz) stated on Wiki and various other sites and the up to 600MHz stated on Motorola's developer site?
The lack of ram is a far bigger issue for the D1 and the 3GS than the CPU.
In terms of RAM the iPhone 3GS has 256MB compared to 512MB in the 4 and 4S. In comparison the Droid 1 has 256MB as well but the Droid 4 has 1GB.
Either way you look at it, CPU or RAM, the Droid 1 to Droid 4 comparison seems more painful than the iPhone 3GS to iPhone 4S comparison.
Yes my 2009 droid is overclocked to 1.2Ghz. I have in fact clocked it up to 1.25Ghz before.
The fact that the iPhone4S is more than a year behind in specs should not be held against the D1. Your examples do more to show how relatively outdated the iPhone 4S is than anything. Hopefully the 5 at least brings a 720p screen.
Also the Droid 4 should not be considered a successor since it has a locked bootloader and a low res screen. At the time the D1 was released it was a high res screen, higher than the 3GS by the way.
The 820 pic looks too much like the HTC HD7 that I'm typing this with.
Strange things are afoot at the Circle-K.
So if Google is all about openness, where is the source code for their search algorithm
Haha. When I see a statement like this, I know I'm being trolled. Good one.
The soylentnews experiment has been a dismal failure.
Your examples do more to show how relatively outdated the iPhone 4S is than anything. Hopefully the 5 at least brings a 720p screen. Also the Droid 4 should not be considered a successor since it has a locked bootloader and a low res screen. At the time the D1 was released it was a high res screen, higher than the 3GS by the way.
The point is not that the iPhone 4S is behind the Droid 4. The claim was made that an iPhone 3GS is painfully slow compared to the current model. My argument is merely pointing out that this is even more of an issue for the Droid 1.
If we accept your argument about the Droid 3 being the true successor then we have a device with the same RAM as the iPhone 4S and a 1GHz dual core CPU vs the 4S's 800 MHz dual core. My point seems to still hold.
Yes Apple seems to be releasing updated hardware months later than Motorola. If the iPad 3rd gen is a clue then a 1GHz CPU and 1GB RAM would be likely for the iPhone 5. I don't think the screen will go 720p. The previous screen update exactly doubled the resolution. That made software compatibility very high as the automatic scaling of graphics worked very well. I suppose they could just run existing apps in a 960x640 subset of the screen with a black frame filling out the rest of the 1280x720 display. That is similar to what happens when running an iPhone app on an iPad.
Personally, I'm happy with the decision. They're moving the platform forward yet still porting features for legacy owners. I bought a Lumia 900 about a month before this news and I'm still happy with it. It does everything I want, and will be getting more features in the future. Most non-hardware related features are being ported back to the Lumia 900.
Enjoy your crippled version of Skype with inability to receive IMs and take calls in the background.
the iphone is finally coming in more than 2 colors!
Well, if they just spent $12 billion on Motorola Mobility, a few million more on severance packages, and pay Apple $100 million a year to be the default search engine on Macs and iOS devices and testified that 66% of their mobile profits come from ios devices, you do the math.
And no MMI is not profitable.
No the droid 3 is not a successor either. It is also a locked down mediocre device. There is no motorola equivalent.
Apple is not months behind they are now at least a year behind. The point is a 3GS is slower than a D1.
I doubt the iPhone5 will have a 1920x1280 screen, but that would be great. The point I was making is the current iPhone screen is a relic and badly needs to be updated. The DPI should hopefully at least stay the same, but the device will be slightly larger.
No the droid 3 is not a successor either. It is also a locked down mediocre device. There is no motorola equivalent.
Apple is not months behind they are now at least a year behind. The point is a 3GS is slower than a D1.
I doubt the iPhone5 will have a 1920x1280 screen, but that would be great. The point I was making is the current iPhone screen is a relic and badly needs to be updated. The DPI should hopefully at least stay the same, but the device will be slightly larger.
The point is a 3GS is slower than a D1.
How is the 3GS slower, the D1 and 3GS have the same CPU and RAM? The D1 CPU is 8% slower and its running Java apps rather than native binaries but that is nitpicking. And no, I do not count overclocking. That is not the user experience that nearly all D1 users had/have. Plus overclocked CPUs, especially severely overclocked like the one described generally have errors. Note that not all overclocking induced errors are obvious, resulting in crashes, etc. Sometimes the CPU simply gives the wrong answer after a specific sequence of instructions. The sequence and errors are different for every overclocked CPU so its not something easily tested for.
I doubt the iPhone5 will have a 1920x1280 screen, but that would be great.
I was not suggesting that. That would seem pointless given that we are already at the limits of the human visual system. 3 to 3GS was a doubling but that would seem to be a one time thing. I'm just arguing that an increase to 720p seems unlikely since it is not a whole number multiple, a 30% taller screen would be needed to maintain pixels per inch and keep unstretched legacy apps just as readable. Yes it would be nice for new apps but I expect too many backwards compatibility problems. Besides, on a 3.5 inch screen can one really see a difference in a video rendered at 960x640 vs 1280x720?
The D1 can be clocked far higher than a 3GS, the D1 can run a stripped version of Android, the D1 can have swap enabled or other such tricks. Yes, testing after overclocking is needed.
To not include those is just apple fanboism. These are real advantages that I use. An open OS has these advantages.
We are not at the limits of human vision. I am human and can see the pixels on an iPhone4S. I can see the difference on 3.5" screens. Hopefully, the iPhone5 will be a little larger though. I think you need a visit to the eye doctor not named jobs.
There is no testing for overclocking. Again, errors can be subtle, a simple incorrect answer and it can be dependent upon instruction sequences. The sequence of instructions can vary, the type of error can vary, the point at which an individual CPU begins experiencing such errors can vary, ... overclocking makes devices unreliable.
There is lots of testing, people have been doing this with desktop CPUs for years.
We are talking about a phone here, not the computer in charge of launching the nukes. If it becomes unreliable clock it down, not a major risk.
Have you never overclocked a desktop CPU?
There is lots of testing, ...
There is lots of inadequate testing, its the nature of the beast with respect to overclocking.
Again. The failure mode is not "works fine" vs "crashes". At some speed a particular CPU will experience failures. These failures will start out quite subtle, literally 2+2=5 sort of stuff and will progress in severity as higher speeds are attempted. Where the subtle failures begin, and where that line is crossed between subtle and crashing, will be different for every CPU. The prerequisites for these failures will differ. A certain sequence of instructions may be needed on one CPU, a different set of instructions on a different CPU. Maybe specific data patterns are required. And by different CPUs I am talking about two CPUs that came off of the same production line, not different makes and models.
Unless you have very sophisticated test apparatus, the sort of stuff only Intel, AMD, etc have, you really can't effectively test an overclocked CPU. All you can hope to achieve is to recognize the CPU that fails earlier and harder than its peers.
The false sense of security in overclocking is in part due to the way CPU vendors once filled orders. For simplicity lets say a vendor offered a CPU in slow, medium and fast versions. The production line only makes the fast version. CPUs that fail testing at fast are retested at medium and slow. Sometimes there would be more slow CPUs ordered than were available, so the company would sell CPUs that actually passed testing at medium or fast as slow CPUs. An overclocker might get lucky. He might buy a slow CPU that actually passed testing at fast. However the overclocker has no way of knowing if this is the case, or if the CPU sold as slow really did fail testing at fast. Again, that failure may only be recognizable by the special testing rig the vendor has, and not by some test suite an end user has.
... people have been doing this with desktop CPUs for years.
And experiencing the exact sort of problems I described. Sometimes aware, sometimes not.
We are talking about a phone here, not the computer in charge of launching the nukes. If it becomes unreliable clock it down, not a major risk.
Still its a hobbyists/hacker thing where unreliability is accepted to a degree. Which is why I don't count overclocking as a performance improving option for the public at large. Another reason I don't count overclocking is that it shortens the lifespan of the CPU. That is another long discussion and I assume I am boring you enough. :-)
Have you never overclocked a desktop CPU?
More importantly I've had experience identifying the subtle sort of problems I described.
The x86 CPUID instruction can return a vendor id string, "GenuineIntel" for Intel CPUs. I've seen an otherwise seemingly working CPU return a vendor id string with a one bit error when overclocked, misspelling the string. I've seen an otherwise seeming working CPU throw a general protection fault when loading an immediate value into a register when overclocked (if you haven't programmed in assembly language just trust me that the preceding is impossible in a working CPU), and dependent upon a certain sequence of instructions. I've seen basic math instructions (ADD, MUL, etc) return erroneous results, causing an array index calculation to go horribly wrong in a seemingly working overclocked CPU. By seemingly working in all these cases I mean the machine booted and appeared to run fine, appeared to run various apps and games fine, but one program or the other would consistently crash or misbehave when overclocked.
So what?
What does this have to do with anything? Yes, over clocking can possibly have repercussions, so can getting out of bed in the morning.
All you are saying is that you are an apple fanboy and will discount anything that is at all modified from the way the one true jobs gave it to you.
So what? What does this have to do with anything?
You asked for my experience with overclocking.
Yes, over clocking can possibly have repercussions, so can getting out of bed in the morning.
You just don't (or do not want to) get it. Its not "can possibly have", its "usually does have".
All you are saying is that you are an apple fanboy and will discount anything that is at all modified from the way the one true jobs gave it to you.
Yeah, demonstrating that overclocking makes CPUs unreliable and shortens their life is Apple fanboyism. That is quite desperate. Given your desperation to cling to the notion that overclocking is good for everyone I suggest you rethink who is the fanboy in this discussion.
Too bad it does not do either of those regularly.
I actually do overclock a D1 and it has been doing fine for years that way.
I am not suggesting anything is good for everyone, but my reality conflicts with your claims.
my reality conflicts with your claims.
Really. How does your reality conflict with the subtle type of errors that I discussed, the simple incorrect calculation rather than a crash? The type of error that goes by unnoticed. Recall the Intel FDIV bug? Overclocking errors can result in errors of that nature but different in their specifics on every CPU.
Because it does not impact my life.
Errors so subtle no one notices them are not important. I am not doing my taxes on my D1. BTW the only reason the D1 was ever clocked down to 550 was for battery life.
Where is the risk? Oh noes my grocery list might be off by 1 carrot!