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Ale To the Chief: White House Releases Beer Recipe
wiredmikey writes "Sam Kass, White House Assistant Chef and the Senior Policy Advisor for Healthy Food Initiatives, after much buzz, today released the recipe for White House Honey Ale and White House Honey Porter, two brews made right on site at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. According to Kass, the White House Honey Brown Ale is the first alcohol brewed or distilled on the White House grounds, as far as they know. "George Washington brewed beer and distilled whiskey at Mount Vernon and Thomas Jefferson made wine but there's no evidence that any beer has been brewed in the White House. (Although we do know there was some drinking during prohibition)," Kass wrote in a blog post. The recipe can be found here along with a short video 'Inside The White House Beer Brewing' which shows the brewing in process. Your tax dollars hard at work yet again!"
Taste the freedom
According to the blog post, Pres. Obama bought the equipment himself, and the staff works on it in their spare time. Now, the video and the blog are taxpayer funded, so there's that. But after seeing that recipe - totally worth it.
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...compared to the recipe for bullshit we got from the last crew that lived at the White House.
The brewing equipment and expenses were paid for by the Obamas personally. The same for all White House meals (I mean the POTUS family's personal consumption, I don't know about state dinners and such): their cost is paid from the POTUS salary. The POTUS is paid pretty well by most people's standards so s/he can afford it.
See: Reuters, "Taxpayers are not footing the bill for the beer, as both the cost of the equipment and the cost of brewing the beer is paid for by the Obamas personally, the official said."
Yeah, well, compared to the wars, prohibition, TSA, etc., it's money well spent.
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This would be a great time for the two candidates to sit down over a beer and talk... oh. Wait. He's a Morman. Oh well. I guess he can drink weak tea. Wait. Sorry. Can't have that either. Caffeine. I guess there's always caffeine free diet Pepsi.
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For those who bitch about this, if the president spent his money collecting stamps or collecting guitars I doubt you would you beat him up over it. But maybe you would: Oh sure he does or doesn't do XYZ, but he buys a Fender amp? You're evil Mr President; what a scumbag. Forget about it. So brewing beer, good for him. There are many people in America who like to brew their own beer. There's nothing wrong with it and nothing wrong with the president doing it on his own time either.
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HuffPo: White House Beer Recipe: Freedom Of Information Act Request Filed For Obama's Brew
As far as hobbies go this one is pretty cool and even a bit nerdy. I've always wanted to brew my own beer, or make my own tequila and I don't even drink.
We like to complain about which stories get posted, and which don't... butI think we can all agree - this qualifies as stuff that matters.
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> Your tax dollars hard at work yet again!"
If they are going to serve beer in the Whitehouse it's much cheaper to brew it themselves then to buy it. About 30 cents for a 750 mil bottle holding the equivalent of two cans. They also don't have to pay the extortionate government sales tax on alcohol. Hey hang on...
http://taxfoundation.org:81/article/state-sales-gasoline-cigarette-and-alcohol-tax-rates-state-2000-2010
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homebrewing
If home-made beer and wine are just fine in this day and age, why does distilling your own whiskey for your own use get you time in the federal prison system? I just want my "Awesome-Swill-From-Dawsonville" party-liquor each New Years without worrying about the BATFE...
Just don't ask about Gitmo
Are they brewing beer at Gitmo as well? (is waterboarding just "soaking the malts"?)
Obama promised a surge into Afghanistan. He promised an eventual pullout from Iraq, and it looks like he's following through - on Bush's schedule.
Congress shut down Obama's attempts to close Gitmo and forbade him from using any federal funds to do just about anything with it. While I wish he'd tried harder, he did attempt it. I'd be more concerned about the continued NSA wiretapping.
The President is not a dictator. People tend to radically overestimate how much the President can really do.
And yes, the same is true for Bush. Bush couldn't have gone to war without Congress. He couldn't have passed the Patriot Act without Congress. He couldn't have passed No Child Left Behind without Congress. He couldn't have racked up massive deficits without Congress. Heck, even today, virtually our entire deficit (that comes from government policy and not the recession) comes from the Bush tax cuts Congress (including Paul Ryan) passed and the wars.
"Look at me, i drink beer just like joe sixpack. Vote for me"
disgusting pandering.
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Dang Slashdot without an edit button. I meant to include this link:
http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/data-chart-center/US-Economy/PublishingImages/20120229_EssentialEcon9.jpg
It shows the sources of the current budget deficits. Keep in mind Paul Ryan, famed serious "fiscal conservative," voted for every single thing in green.
Oh, give it a rest. You've been reciting the same Obama-bashing crap over and over for 4 years now, we've all heard it a dozen times. This conversation is about beer.
Is this as per Obama's response to his Reddit appearance the other night?
Almost like human. Nice try, Mr. alien overlord.
Where there are no burning issues at hand, human interest stories are a good tactic to keep a candidate in the news or at least in Twitterverse. Expect to learn more trivial, but harmless stuff like these "brewed" by the campaign strategists who work behind the scenes.
Somehow this only convinces me that come November a new occupant will fill that hopefully not empty Chair at the Oval Office.
Amazing what the government is able to accomplish now that they've got the budget balanced and a job for everyone that so desires.
Good beer, though, that's something we can all agree on. Well except Mitt Romney. Mormons aren't allowed to have beer. Or coffee. How you're supposed to go about having 5 wives without coffee is beyond me. I'm pretty sure you can't get through 4 years of a presidency without dropping the F bomb at least a couple times, as well, so good luck with that, Mormon-boy. Maybe collecting dildos and leaving them in random places around the White House would help.
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
All of the extract and pellets make this a real beginners brew. They should really step up to all grain brewing. Much better flavor.
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Switch to kegging it ASAP. Bottling, as you probably already know, is the worst part. It's surprising that they do it 5 gallons at a time, just like a typical homebrewer. Don't they serve it at official functions?
... if the president spent his money collecting stamps or collecting guitars I doubt you would you beat him up over it.
Are you kidding? This President has been condemned as "elitist" for his choice of condiments.
Somehow I don't think you're ever going to be President.
At least this ought to help BHO understand the difference of Free as in Beer.
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Perusing the ingredients:
Munich (germany) malt
Hallertauer (again, germany) hops
Kent Golding (UK) hops
Fuggles (UK) hops
Nottingham and Windsor dry yeasts are from Danstar (Canada) and mimic UK strains
I'm surprised they didn't make something with west coast hops & some of the liquid yeasts. The US keepst fantastic yeast banks at White Labs (California/Colorado) and Wyeast (Oregon).
Joe Sixpack isn't brewing their own beer.
I think it's a great message to put out there, especially in economic times like these: "Make your own stuff!" - don't rely on prefabricated products by corporations whose main goal is to maximise profit via incessant ads and vendor lock-in (walled gardens, terminator genes, etc.), not product quality. And making your own beer is actually doable by most people (unlike making your own smartphone OS or life crops).
When will these leaks stop!
For all of the incidents with busts of raw milk and lemonade sales http://www.naturalnews.com/035397_Ventura_county_raw_milk_rampage.html
Why can't he be arrested under the laws too? Brewing in a building held in the public trust...
Next thing you know they will be brewing in courtrooms, libraries, and public schools.
Think of the children!
I've been using this slogan to simplify the Presidential race for friends for a couple weeks now, before reading about the White House beer:
Obama will have a beer with you. Romney won't. Drink beer, vote Obama.
Romney, like his mentor George W. Bush, can't drink beer.
I can't believe more people don't find that disturbing.
I'm very surprised they're only making extract beers on the premises. I figured for the President, they'd be cranking out all kinds of all-grain recipes.
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Jimmy Carter, 39th President of the United States, signed the bill, H.R. 1337, into law in October 1978 legalizing home brewing. Bill 1337, can't make this stuff up folks. :-)
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Romney, like Bush, can't drink beer.
Swedish Vin & Sprit was also built with tax money.
It served us good but was sold in 2008 to Pernod Ricard (for 55 billion SEK = 8.31 billion USD with todays exchange rate, actually Wikipedia says 5.6 billion euro so I guess the SEK value was someones conversion.)
Their most well known brand is/was likely Absolut.
How very noob.
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Congress shut down Obama's attempts to close Gitmo
No, they most certainly did not. The states with federal high security prisons refused to accept prisoner transfers from Gitmo because of the security concerns involved with those particular political prisoners.
Alcohol drinking Muslims. Is that true radicalism or an oxymoron?
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romney to release his tax forms. Then we can find out who is patriotic and who is not.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
Congress shut down Obama's attempts to close Gitmo and forbade him from using any federal funds to do just about anything with it. While I wish he'd tried harder, he did attempt it. I'd be more concerned about the continued NSA wiretapping.
The President is not a dictator. People tend to radically overestimate how much the President can really do.
He could sit on his hands and not approve any legislation until it was shut down. Perhaps he would get overridden from time to time, but it would send a clear message.
Taking guns away from the 99% gives the 1% 100% of the power.
The recipe is pretty straight forward, but what is white house honey? It looks like it is 1 lb of actual honey based on the fact you add it at the end. But is it just normal honey, or is there some special twist that makes it 'white house honey'? Do they have a bunch of bees in the attic?
Sam Kass, White House Assistant Chef and the Senior Policy Advisor for Healthy Food Initiatives, after much buzz, today released the recipe for White House Honey Ale and White House Honey Porter...
I see what you did there.
:) I hope you tell people right up front down at the DMV or any other place you need to get government workers to help you that they have no expectation of having time to themselves since they work for the government/public. Is that what you are saying? As for not expecting privacy when he says something publicly... what? Was there a point there?
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Being a public official as a representative is a full-time job.
Governors, Mayors, senators, cabinet members should be held to a higher standard.
Even when he is out of office when his time his up, he will always be 'Mr. President'.
Alas, as a Libertarian, Mssr. Obama's socialist leanings disallow me from voting for him, but I applaud his choice of quality beverage. Perhaps a good pint of Pliney, or a Firestone Parabola, or Black Butte XXIV, will clear his mind. I'd be happy to volunteer a pint of my excellent Saison or Belgian Quad if it will end America's perpetual war on "whoever we're trying to kill at the moment:"
(Have no fear, I have no such delusions that Mssr. Romney will be swayed by a friendly magic pint - mores the pity...)
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And what happens when the economy keeps getting worse? Or another bridge falls down? It's hard enough to convince the stupid half of the country to do the right thing, but handing ammunition with which to scare them to the opposition is hardly a recipe for success.
Very unexpected for a typically pessimistic crowd. Definitely bookmarking this thread for comparison when a Republican President posts his putting tips or something. I'll bet /. would pounce on that, but you never know... you guys have surprised me before.
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Gotta go off campus several blocks to the 7-11/Circle K. Significant disciplinary offense to get caught bringing it on campus.
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Nice redirection attempt, Mr. POTUS.
If you go to philly, you can go to the "bar" where the revolution was "planned." at this location, you can get the beer recipies that were brewed by washington, jefferson, adams, and franklin (washingtons was the best IMO - franklins tasted like pine needles)
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I think Bush definitely could have gone to war without Congress. He would have suffered a bit of criticism, but he could have done it. Remember, technically he never went to war, he just deployed troops; we haven't declared war on anybody since WWII. Both of the two Bushes each tried to go to war without Congress, then Congress complained, so they took a side-trip to Congress on the way to war. That was perfunctory of them, but nobody would have stopped them if they hadn't done so. Don't you think?
I think Obama could have fought harder to close Gitmo, but it was a boondoggle. He was suddenly faced with the difficult reality of what the fuck to do with a handfull of really pissed off terrorists. You can't kill them, you can't release them, you can't try them, and nobody is willing to take them. The one option is that he could have opened a new facility, also outside of the US, and put them there. That would have been a purely symbolic move, a total waste of time and money -- but I think he should have done exactly that.
Actually I am mad at him for stealing fenders wood and blocking them from building their guitars.
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Congress shut down Obama's attempts to close Gitmo and forbade him from using any federal funds to do just about anything with it. While I wish he'd tried harder, he did attempt it. I'd be more concerned about the continued NSA wiretapping. The President is not a dictator. People tend to radically overestimate how much the President can really do.
He could sit on his hands and not approve any legislation until it was shut down. Perhaps he would get overridden from time to time, but it would send a clear message.
Here's an idea, Congress not passing any legislation in protest of the President not approving any legislation!
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Do people still believe who the President is matters?
Holy shit! Are you serious??? I didn't heard of it when it happened. Seriously??? They had so little to talk about the guy that they went with criticizing his mustard choice?
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Just don't ask about Gitmo
Are they brewing beer at Gitmo as well? (is waterboarding just "soaking the malts"?)
Mmmm beerboarding.
The President is an expensive office. There is a shit ton of money spent on keeping the person in it safe, happy, connected, getting them where they need to go, and so on. The cost of brewing some beer wouldn't even stack up to the salary of a single Secret Service agent, never mind the cost of running something like Air Force One.
There is no real way around it either. Security costs are going to be extremely high because the President is a very high profile target. So you need good security keeping them safe. Some might argue that a lot of the pomp and circumstance should be cut out which would save a bunch but then you have to remember that the President is not just the head of government but also the chief of state, they are the head diplomat. All that pomp and circumstance plays a very useful role in international relations.
So frankly they can charge the cost of brewing beer to the taxpayers, I don't mind at all. It is an expensive office to maintain and there really isn't any other way it can be so long as the US maintains its place of prominence among nations.
The fact is that in 1979 Jimmy Carter lowered taxes by removing levies on adults who wanted to brew their own beer. Can you imagine if we had a tax on people who wanted to make their own macaroni and cheeses in a effort of social engineering to force families to buy the product from the store? Conservatives would go madd. But somehow the government forcing us to buy a commercial product was ok. Go figure. On result partially attributed to this change was a rise in local entrepreneurship in small breweries. Yes, people who once were unemployed due to the religious laws enforced by those who hated capitalism now had a job. Thanks to Jimmy Carter.
Now, not to get chauvinistic, but I am fortunate enough to live in an area with two local breweries. Why is this important? Because the two major brands of beer, Coors and Bud, are not US brands. They are controlled from Belgium and Canada, respectively. I am sure conservatives would argue that foreign ownership of our biggest beers is not big deal, but I would argue that having local expertise and control in all industries is critical. We have seen the damage that losing manufacturing expertise has cost the US. Once it is lost, it is very hard to get back. It is dangerous to pick and choose what is and is not important based on personal superstition.
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I'd vote for him
After all, the President's salary is paid by taxpayers. Now yes, it is kind of silly to take out grocery costs and so on but then the President doesn't need his salary anyhow. It isn't like he's going to run off and spend it on a car or something, what with all the official cars that he really has no option but to use. In terms of after the presidency, the public speaking events and so on pay way more than the presidency itself ever did.
I suppose the theory is to keep him from going buck wild and ordering Beluga caviar as a garnish for every meal or something. Whatever the case, while it is a rather silly, it is inconsequential really.
The President can not deploy troops for more than 90 days without Congress approving it. So even when it isn't called war, the President can't go to war with a country without Congress backing it and financing it.
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... if the president spent his money collecting stamps or collecting guitars I doubt you would you beat him up over it.
Are you kidding? This President has been condemned as "elitist" for his choice of condiments.
Yeah, by a couple of right-wing whackjobs that don't deserve the label 'Republican'. Jesus Christ, if they gotta try crucifying him for eating a fucking hamburger he paid for out of his own fucking pocket, the far-gone Right has serious fucking problems. Course, go after their guy and criticize every fucking move he makes and you're un-American.
FWIW, I don't put ketsup on my hamburgers either. Ketsup belongs on french fries goddammit, just like GAWD ordained in the fucking Bible.
Understanding the scope of the problem is the first step on the path to true panic.
I also distinctly remember them complaining when the Obamas grew some arugula in their gardens. Apparently growing a lettuce commonly used to top soups and pizzas and baked potatoes makes them elitist snobs. And don't forget how they eviscerated Kerry over his windsurfing (an elitist hobby!).
It's effective. Scream and holler about how awful someone is every day, and eventually the hatred starts to rub off on the public.
There was more to Poupongate than a couple of whackjobs. Lots of pundits were making noise. Among the leaders were Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh, both people GOP politicians are loath to offend.
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Two media 'leaders' propped up by their corporado masters. Both have had their share of scandals over the years, but both keep comin back just like zombies. The problem with a legitimate Republican 'pissing them off' is, do so, and they'll campaign for your Tea Party alternative with an axe to grind and zero incentive to learn compromise in order to form a better government. If what you need to get done isn't on their agenda, or if you're on the wrong side of the aisle, yer fucked.
Understanding the scope of the problem is the first step on the path to true panic.
for the last 4 years explains why the country is in the trouble it is.
Not to defend either of those idiots, but they're not propped up by anybody. They have a real ability to rouse the rabble. It's a morally repugnant way to make a living, but there's no doubt that they're good at it — and that a good chunk of America hangs on their every word.
I like to think that most conservatives despise this bullshit, and eventually common sense will return, and we liberals can go back to having honest arguments with them based on intelligent differences of opinion. God help us if I'm wrong about that.
Is anyone else disappointed that the "presidential" beer recipe is an extract recipe instead of all grain?
Dont look at the surveillance network, the military complex, the prison system, the food system, the healthcare system, the fiscal clusterfuck..
Oh shiny.. look beer.
Congress shut down Obama's attempts to close Gitmo and forbade him from using any federal funds to do just about anything with it. While I wish he'd tried harder, he did attempt it. I'd be more concerned about the continued NSA wiretapping.
The President is not a dictator. People tend to radically overestimate how much the President can really do.
He could sit on his hands and not approve any legislation until it was shut down. Perhaps he would get overridden from time to time, but it would send a clear message.
Here's an idea, Congress not passing any legislation in protest of the President not approving any legislation!
My impression of Congress over the last four years is that they have already taken that measure preemptively.
"All these years believing you're the signified monkey, only to find out you're just a big hunk of nobody cares."
WTF? If you were writing a TV comedy and you put that in they'd reject the script for being totally unrealistic.
And has anyone actually tasted standard American mustard? The only difference between it and mayo is that the mayo has yellow colouring in it (the mustard has lots of yellow colouring in it).
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
But he should be.
Somehow I don't think you're ever going to be President.
I'd vote for him before I'd vote for the republicrat or democan "candidate".
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Then maybe he left because he thought better of looking at naked women other than his girlfriend. You know, respected her.
FFS, you hate democrats loathe a nigger president and are apopletic that you bunch of fuckwits spend years giving unearned power and control to the office of president in the blind faith that it would only ever be occupied by you religious whack-jobs (because God wouldn't let you fail).
Liberal, possibly, and only then under the hugely right-wing basis of the USA.
when I was in New England.
Oh yeah, New England, that great center of conservative thought. It is completely disingenuous to blame blue-laws and prohibition on any one party when they are both just as guilty. And so you recognized the one good thing that Jimmy Carter did as president (besides losing a 2nd term), hoo-rah for you. Now if only you liberals would recognize that the rest of your shitty regulations that lock out small business are a bad idea then we would be getting somewhere.
Five wives without coffee is doable.
Five wives without beer, OTOH...
Do daemons dream of electric sleep()?
And I'd rather see politicians compete on who's making the best brew...
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beer than guns. True, you could kill someone with beer, but they'd probably die feeling you were their best friend.
He brews beer. Or more correctly, his paid staff brews beer.
He produces something out of the sweat of his own (staff's) brow. And he made it ... sort of.
He had help in this case, but people (we) paid to help him.
Nice. So he's brewing beer.
What about a recipe for job creation? Of course the federal government isn't in the business of creating jobs. What they are in the business of doing is clearing the way for business to create jobs by lowering taxes and regulation on the businesses, so that their costs drop and they will feel more free to invest in people to grow their business.
Oh, so he's trying to raise taxes on them thar fat cats making over $250k? To give this money to the gub'ment?
Hey ... aren't many of those small businesses with, say, less than 50 people, organized as either LLC or S corps, so they look like flow through entities to the tax man, and the owners, whom as often as not go without a salary, suddenly look like rich fat cats with too much income that needs re-distributin?
Oh ... so the guy doesn't have an economic plan, or a clue for that matter? And the jobs sorta fall naturally from the economics?
But at least he has a beer plan.
Elections have consequences. We need economic development unleashed. We get beer. And other things we cannot afford.
Please ... God ... let us at least start to reverse these consequences this November.
If you use malt extract, you didn't brew it. Somebody else did!
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No. It's just shows what they think of the average voter.
Their opinion could be correct. That'd be unfortunate for the USA, but hey that's the way Democracy works.
No surprise that few self-serving politicians would want a highly educated population. Don't blame them. Life would be much harder for us if chickens, sheep, pigs and cows were much smarter...
Everyone eat a bag of dicks. The the cost person, the I got to see it person.
Given he is implementing policies to the right of Bush, they can hardly criticize him over that. So all the Right have is ad hominem
That wouldn't be halal. No wonder why those inmates consider it torture.
Are you the same Greyfox from Wasilla, AK who used to post on Zoklet?
By a Professor of beer no less! Generally described as beginner beer, nothing special, but nothing bad either.
White House beer review
White House releases home brew recipe
It really is a pretty beginning recipe, but all of you all-grain snobs (I am one) forget that you can make decent beer with extract. Once in a while you even get great beer. Very hard to be consistent though.
All grain is the way to go when you want more control, but who has 4 - 6 hours to brew? I couldn't do that every week.
THIS conservative despises that bullshit. And wishes Mr. Obama well in his new microbrewing career.
What, you call yourself a conservative, and you don't hate everything about Barack Obama? Clearly a CINO!
Seriously, please start a blog or something. We liberals so need rational conservatives to make noise so we can argue about stuff that really matters, instead of obsessing about each other's supposed personality flaws.
They get American mustard from babies. To be fair, they sell the same crap up here in Canada. Difference is we also, or used to, have a tradition of hot mustard on our roasts etc, so know other kinds i.e. Coles, except we don't have Coles but instead of Keans Mustard which has almost exactly the same packaging. But the younger generation is falling into the elitist Dijon syndrome. Probably aided and abetted by Obama, the communist. I prefer hot mustard on everything except maybe a hamburger and hotdog... then Dijon will do. The baby poo mustard if I have to but sometimes I'll just opt out. And I think sir you are disparaging mayonnaise far too much.
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Arugula (a.k.a. Rocket) also makes a great salad on its own and a wonderful side on a mezza platter, with other typically Muslim Obama family favourites such as houmous, falafel and tabbouleh.
Actually, all the money spent by the first family is taxpayer money. Where do you think his salary comes from?