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Raspberry Pi Revision 2.0 Board Announced

An anonymous reader writes "The Raspberry Pi finally saw a release on February 29 this year and is thought to have sold 200,000 units, with a million expected to ship before the year is over. That's a lot of tiny PCs, but it's also been an opportunity for owners to feedback any problems or tweaks they'd like made to the board. The Raspberry Pi Foundation has taken the feedback on board and today announced a revised design is being put into production. The new Raspberry Pi, known as revision 2.0 PCB, is expected to start shipping in the next few weeks. The revision includes a number of changes, but is essentially the same board. To summarize it includes a new reset circuit, a replacement for the reset fuses allowing for more reliable USB hub power, two GPIO pin changes for JTAG debug support, four redundant GPIO signals have been removed, and a new connector has been added for attaching a range of boards including a clock or audio codec. Two of the more easily noticeable changes include a fix that stops the HDMI connection interfering with certain operations of the Raspberry Pi, and the addition of two 2.5mm mounting holes to allow for easier mounting."

155 comments

  1. And also it's now made in the UK by Dave+Whiteside · · Score: 5, Informative

    In Wales by Sony to be exact
    http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1925

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    1. Re:And also it's now made in the UK by pnot · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In Wales by Sony to be exact
      http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1925

      Nice! That would have been a far more interesting headline than "RasPi gets mounting holes and minor bugfixes".

    2. Re:And also it's now made in the UK by QuasiSteve · · Score: 1

      Nice for some because, well, quality production lines so hopefully less of a problem with supply.

      Horrible for others because, well, ZOMG BOYCOTT SONY.

    3. Re:And also it's now made in the UK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Wheee!

      I assume this is to test out the new hardware-based rootkit Sony's been working on? :-D

    4. Re:And also it's now made in the UK by Forty+Two+Tenfold · · Score: 1

      quality production lines

      Aaaaahaaaahahaha! You need to have a serious talk with your dealer, dude.

      because, well, ZOMG BOYCOTT SONY.

      No. It's because, well, fool me once...

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    5. Re:And also it's now made in the UK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's a relief.

      At least it isn't by Lucas Electronics

    6. Re:And also it's now made in the UK by inglorion_on_the_net · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I feel a bit dubious about that. I wasn't too excited about made in the UK in the first place (nothing wrong with capital flow to poorer countries in my book), but it's Sony, too. I really don't want to be putting money in Sony's pockets after the stunts they've pulled in the last decades.

      Will there be an option to buy 2.0s by a specific manufacturer?

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    7. Re:And also it's now made in the UK by pnot · · Score: 1

      Nice for some because, well, quality production lines so hopefully less of a problem with supply. Horrible for others because, well, ZOMG BOYCOTT SONY.

      Naah, it's even good for those people: they can find something to whine about withiout too much effort. Just think how disappointed they'd be if the board were being manufactured from fairtrade components and PCBs made of sustainably harvested pressed hemp, by a local co-operative which shelters kittens and supports the orphanage down the road.

      Sure, there would be an outraged campaign against the fact that the hemp wasn't 100% certified organic, but it doesn't quite have the satisfying ring of ZOMG BOYCOTT SONY.

    8. Re:And also it's now made in the UK by WilliamBaughman · · Score: 1

      I wonder if Microsoft is subsiding Sony's bid to make sure tech enthusiasts won't buy any? Or could the Raspberry Pi be okay because it doesn't have any lithium batteries or rely on any Sony-supplied software or media?

    9. Re:And also it's now made in the UK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. RS are not currently planning on moving production to the UK. From http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/education/376768/raspberry-pi-to-be-made-in-the-uk

    10. Re:And also it's now made in the UK by RDW · · Score: 1

      I assume this is to test out the new hardware-based rootkit Sony's been working on? :-D

      Well, the Sony Pencoed factory is less than 3 miles away from the (Bridgend) location of Fortium Techologies ( http://www.fortiumtech.com/ ), aka 'First 4 Internet', the subcontractor that developed the XCP rootkit for Sony...

      Coincidence, or something more sinister?: http://cardiffskateboardclub.com/2009/08/21/the-longest-conspiracy-theory-in-the-world/

    11. Re:And also it's now made in the UK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what people have been saying since February is proved entirely correct - all the nonsense about some form of unbalanced "import duty" on components was complete bullshit.

      RaspberryPi may be a good thing - the RPi Foundation are not.

    12. Re:And also it's now made in the UK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And maybe Google is there too, targeting ads!
      Put that pipe down, nutcase.

    13. Re:And also it's now made in the UK by WilliamBaughman · · Score: 1

      It was a joke, because, you know, enthusiasts and people who read tech news have become very wary of buying things from Sony (I know I have, except for my TV, and my PS3 (which I suspect is starting to die after 2.5 years of ownership and the Linux option being removed)).

  2. Re:What about development tools? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Can you use this with Visual Studio? As I just love the newest VS.

    I think your question should read: "Can Visual Studio work with open source compilers and tool chains dedicated to ARM via plugins or simple modification?"

    The day we start altering our hardware to work with an IDE is the day I go home and put a bullet in my head.

  3. Still Waiting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    So now that I ordered my Pi, paid for it, and have been waiting for months for it to even ship, they're improving it? Will those of us still waiting get the new board or what's left of the old versions?

    1. Re:Still Waiting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Welcome to tech, bitch.

      :-)

    2. Re:Still Waiting... by ratbag · · Score: 2

      Whilst public moaning in completely unrelated forums may appear to be the best way to expedite delivery, talking to to RS or Farnell will probably yield better results. If you've been waiting months, and you really have paid, then something has gone wrong. I wasn't charged until despatch, and I received the board within eight weeks of first reserving it (not purchasing, reserving). Registered with Farnell/RS 2012-05-08, pre-ordered from Farnell 2012-06-13, despatched and invoiced 2012-07-17, arrived 2012-07-20.

      Of course if you've already talked to the supplier, please disregard my missive. It's merely that every story about the Pi includes at least a couple of people complaining that they've been waiting months. In the early days supply was a problem, now less so.

    3. Re:Still Waiting... by calmofthestorm · · Score: 1

      I got mine two weeks after ordering from Newell or Newark or somesuch. They did tell me 8-10 wks so maybe I just got lucky.

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    4. Re:Still Waiting... by MetalliQaZ · · Score: 1

      They charged me immediately and quoted a ship time of 11 weeks. They missed that deadline already.

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    5. Re:Still Waiting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let me guess, you ordered from RS?

    6. Re:Still Waiting... by MetalliQaZ · · Score: 2

      Yes. Never order from RS. The other vendor has them in stock but RS has held my money since June 29 and wants to ship in October. I consider that "tentative" Fsck them.

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    7. Re:Still Waiting... by Githaron · · Score: 1

      I am also wanting for an order I made months ago. Maybe I should cancel it and order the new one.

    8. Re:Still Waiting... by Githaron · · Score: 1

      They told me 10 weeks and upped it to 15. Why does it even take 10 weeks?

    9. Re:Still Waiting... by ctid · · Score: 2

      I cancelled my RS order on Tuesday morning and ordered from CPC (this was at 10:01am). I received my Pi at about 11am this morning. approximately 49 hours from order to delivery!

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    10. Re:Still Waiting... by inglorion_on_the_net · · Score: 1

      I'm in the same situation you are in, but I am just happy they are improving the board in response to the feedback they received. And so quickly, too. I wish all hardware vendors did that.

      I also really don't feel bad about not getting a free upgrade. I paid my $35 knowing full well that I was paying for an early version that would likely still have some kinks to be worked out. The wait is long, but they told me it would be.

      I feel they are handling this well, and I really hope the Raspberry Pi becomes the roaring success it seems to be on its way to becoming.

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    11. Re:Still Waiting... by MetalliQaZ · · Score: 1

      Yes, I realize now after visiting the RPi forums that RS is crap. Canceling my order.

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    12. Re:Still Waiting... by marcop · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Order from Allied 2.5 months ago. After hearing about the USB and Ethernet reliability issues I decided to cancel (literally this morning). Bought the Rikomagic MK802II instead. I should get it in 2 weeks too.

      Here's a side by side comparison of the MK802 vs the Rasp. Pi.

      http://youtu.be/YKNPnBE-ouI

      From my understanding, the Pi still beats the MK802 on price and GPIO (addressed in the video).

    13. Re:Still Waiting... by mspohr · · Score: 1

      I ordered from Newark on 26 Aug and it was shipped (and charged) 5 Sept.
      My order from Allied on 16 July is still in limbo (not charged and not shipped and no word from them) (I'll probably cancel it once I get my order from Newark).
      So... it pays to shop around.

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  4. Re:What about development tools? by Ash-Fox · · Score: 2

    Can you use this with Visual Studio? As I just love the newest VS.

    You can use Visual Studio to produce code that runs on the Pi, but not run Visual Studio on the Pi.

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  5. It's about time by Cornwallis · · Score: 2

    I can't wait to not see this one.

  6. Re:What about development tools? by Desler · · Score: 5, Informative

    Yes, it can. How do you think Intel's compiler integrates into Visual Studio? You just need to write the plugin for integration and make custom build rules.

  7. It's not truly open... by Dimwit · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My problem with the Raspberry Pi is that it's not truly open - there's a binary bootloader and graphics driver, and the SoC is undocumented. If I wanted to write my own operating system from bootloader to windowing system, I'd have to do a lot of reverse engineering. That's kinda why I'd prefer the Beagle Board.

    (Disasbuse me of this notion if I am wrong.)

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    1. Re:It's not truly open... by tommeke100 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Check out this tutorial for OS development on the Pi : http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/freshers/raspberrypi/tutorials/os/

    2. Re:It's not truly open... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      They got a sweetheart deal from Broadcom back when nobody else would talk to them because they all work there. That lets them sell the board for half of what a 'Bone costs. Now that RPi is world famous and selling hundreds of thousands of units they should find an open SoC.

    3. Re:It's not truly open... by Dan+Dankleton · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's not completely open - but that was never the idea of it. The idea is to get something into the hands of kids to help them learn programming.

      Bare metal programming is possible though, and the system is fairly open.

    4. Re:It's not truly open... by inglorion_on_the_net · · Score: 2

      Check out Olimex: https://www.olimex.com/dev/index.html, particularly the upcoming A13-OLinuXino. My understanding is that they are making hardware that is vaguely similar to the Raspberry Pi, but with full documentation.

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    5. Re:It's not truly open... by Narishma · · Score: 2

      It's as open as any other ARM SoC with an integrated GPU. There's nothing stopping you from writing your own operating system. Many people already are in the process of doing that. The closed bits are only needed if you want hardware-accelerated 3d rendering and video decoding, which aren't necessary for an operating system to work.

      The Beagle Board also has a GPU with closed source binary drivers, I don't see how how it's any different from the Raspberry Pi.

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    6. Re:It's not truly open... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I said this also. But, to be fair, there is NO open source design that allows HDMI. That really sucks in and of itself.

    7. Re:It's not truly open... by robthebloke · · Score: 1

      I think you completely missed the part about 'binary bootloader and graphics driver'. Yes you can write your own OS, but you still have to integrate that binary blob into your code somewhere. The GP is not complaining about his inability to write an OS for it, he's complaining about the fact the binary blob is closed. It's not something that bothers me all that much, but it's something that bothers the GP. Each to their own and all that....

    8. Re:It's not truly open... by Narishma · · Score: 1

      Depends on what you mean by binary blob.

      If you are talking about the firmware, you don't have to integrate it into your code. In fact, it's executed on the GPU before your code gets to run, before the ARM CPU is even started. Think of it as the BIOS on a PC.

      If you were instead talking about the OpenGL ES, OpenVG and OpenMAX closed source libraries, these are user-space libraries that you don't need to have a functional operating system. You only need them if you want hardware accelerated video decoding and 3d rendering, and there are no alternatives that are open in the ARM SoC space that I know of.

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    9. Re:It's not truly open... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    10. Re:It's not truly open... by makomk · · Score: 1

      I'm curious as to where they got the driver code for the USB controller from. There's no usable public documentation for that and probably never will be because it's a third-party IP core.

    11. Re:It's not truly open... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The graphics driver, not just the graphics firmware, is still a binary blob. And it's not just about hardware video acceleration, either. Without the blob, there's no power management for the graphics block on the SoC.

      The RPi doesn't have anything analogous to the BIOS in a PC: The only thing the chip knows how to do is read in an image over SPI and set the program counter to 0, which is analogous to what your PC does when in reads in the BIOS.

    12. Re:It's not truly open... by Required+Snark · · Score: 1
      If you feel that way then why are you even looking at this topic? If you think that the system is unacceptable because it's not "open" enough then don't waste your time on it.

      Personally I like it. I haven't bought one but I will at some point when I have some time to play with it. There are 200000 people who feel like I do and have shelled out real money to get one. They, and people who are thinking about buying one have a reason to comment on board changes, you don't.

      One question: are you a professional whiner, or do you whine needlessly for your own egotistical amusement?

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    13. Re:It's not truly open... by Narishma · · Score: 1

      The only binary blobs there are those I mentioned (the firmware that runs on the GPU and the user-space OpenGL ES, VG and MAX libraries). Everything else is open source. The kernel doesn't have any close source parts.

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    14. Re:It's not truly open... by Dan+Dankleton · · Score: 1

      I apologise for making you sad. Here is a smiley face to hopefully cheer you up: :-)

      The problem is that the family computer is generally something you don't want the kids to mess up, which means they are limited in the things they can try. (I still remember getting told off by my dad for writing a program which poked random values to random addresses when I was a lad.)
      You can mess up the Pi software COMPLETELY and restore it by re-copying it to the SD card.
      You can solder stuff to the Pi and learn how computers interact with the rest of the world - I can imagine parents getting slightly upset if a child did that to their shiny iMac.

  8. Ports by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Still no sign of doing the sane thing of aligning the ports. That means still no clean cases for Pi2.

    1. Re:Ports by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      There is a reason its not as pretty as you would like. It would cost more. If you want a clean case, extend the ports and make one.

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    2. Re:Ports by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would cost more to simply align the outside of the ports? How much more? 25 cents? This is insane.

  9. Still same old non-open source board though... by Maquis196 · · Score: 0

    I appreciate that being cheap is the name of the game for Raspberry, but I wouldn't call this board Debian non-free friendly :)

    1. Re:Still same old non-open source board though... by Maquis196 · · Score: 1

      preview the force luke... damn, meant this board needs a lot of non-free stuff. /me hangs head in shame

    2. Re:Still same old non-open source board though... by droidix55 · · Score: 2

      Hopefully that will change soon with the reverse engineering effort underway: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTE3NTE

  10. Re:Raspberry PI!!!! by Ash-Fox · · Score: 0

    Can I buy one with buttcoins?

    If you can convert them to US dollars.

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  11. cheaper plastic cases please. by SpzToid · · Score: 1

    Hello, I'd like a plastic case, from anyone, that doesn't cost anywhere near the price of the networked/motherboard/CPU powerhouse that is Rasberry Pi. We're talking about molded, (or whatever), plastic. Relatively precision plastic I will grant you, but a small plastic box is The Specification. It doesn't even need to look pretty, just more functional than the cardboard box now in-use. -Thanks, from my entire budget for Rasberries this season.

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    1. Re:cheaper plastic cases please. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/processor-microcontroller-development-kits/7644389/

      £3.99

    2. Re:cheaper plastic cases please. by drwho · · Score: 1

      4 pounds is too much for a hung of plastic. I see no reason why a case can't be 80p....in large quantities. Sure, you could make a case with a 3d printer but it wouldn't be cheap. injection-molding is still the least expensive per unit, but the mold has to be made. These molds can cost lots of money. So, someone needs to invest some money. Perhaps a kickstarter for it?

    3. Re:cheaper plastic cases please. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Temporarily out of stock - back order for despatch 08/10/2012

    4. Re:cheaper plastic cases please. by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      Very much agree. And $8 is probably about the cheapest case I have seen so far. Most of them I see out there are around $15, some as high $25. The computer only costs $35. There's no reason that a plastic case that goes around the thing should be any more than $2. I understand printing these things with 3D printers is expensive. Someone needs to come up with a better solution.

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    5. Re:cheaper plastic cases please. by mspohr · · Score: 1

      Try a Tupperware sandwich container.

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    6. Re:cheaper plastic cases please. by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      I agree. It cost me almost $20 to get an adafruit case. Its nice and all, but its just laser-cut Lexan

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    7. Re:cheaper plastic cases please. by andrewa · · Score: 1

      Yep.. £4.00 is way too much for a bit of plastic... http://www.zazzle.com/funny_geek_pocket_protector_iphone_covers-176575483589021897

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    8. Re:cheaper plastic cases please. by mspohr · · Score: 1

      This is a step up from a cardboard box and it's still dirt cheap:
      http://h2database.com/raspi/

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    9. Re:cheaper plastic cases please. by SpzToid · · Score: 1

      That is pretty darn near perfect! Thanks. One of my Christmas projects is building asterisk servers to run as documented 'answering machines' associated with a www.12voip.com SIP account. Kudos!

      http://nerdvittles.com/?p=1784

      Also, I'm thinking about moving away from a conventional dd-wrt Broadcom router setup and using a Pi as a firewall. Bringing down the cost helps buy a bunch of these, and saves electricity in the long run, and hopefully improves the firewall security too.

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  12. yo dawg! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > the addition of two 2.5mm mounting holes to
    > allow for easier mounting.

    1. Re:yo dawg! by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Because of the lack of mounting holes, it is very hard to design a snug-fitting case for the the first-gen Raspberry Pi. I'm pretty sure the component placement precludes using a rail-mounted design (slide-in) because there are too many components right at the edge of the board. And there are components at every corner of the board. About the only thing I can come up with are flat rubber bumpers where the CE logo is, under the Ethernet jack, and under the video jack, with different-thickness rubber bumpers on top of the USB jacks and the Pi logo, coupled with insanely tight tolerances around the edges of the board to eliminate sliding back and forth.

      I ordered five of these a week ago and learned about the inability to mount them rigidly after I ordered them. They shipped yesterday. I'm not happy. I definitely would not have ordered them had I known that in just a few weeks, I'd be able to get one without this rather serious design flaw.

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    2. Re:yo dawg! by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1

      the OLS (open logic sniffer probe) also was designed and shipped without any mounting holes.

      what is it with very smart hardware guys who MISS THE OBVIOUS things like mounting screw holes?

      I design and build hardware and while I'm not good enough to be a cpu system designer (my digital chops are more modest) at least I would not have omitted the so-obvious mounting holes.

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    3. Re:yo dawg! by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      It's not just the lack of mounting holes. Give me a quarter inch of empty board space all the way around with no components and I don't need holes. Just build a case where the board slides in. The problem with this board design is that it has neither mounting holes nor even one single solitary contact point where you can put physical pressure on both sides of the board in the same spot without knocking components off. Opposite the CE logo are the major power regulating components for the whole board. Opposite the RPi logo are dozens of tiny surface-mount components. The closest you can get to a friction mounting involves removing the GPIO header and/or putting pressure on top of the USB stack (moderately safe) or video jack (moderately safe).

      Or if I knew I wasn't ever going to use the GPIO header on a particular board, I guess I could remove it, cut the traces, and drill a screw hole in the corner where they belong, and another one almost opposite it, between the USB and Ethernet jacks, assuming there aren't any hidden traces in an inner layer of the board that I'm not able to see, but if the last board layer artwork posted (http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/gerbers2.png) is correct, then it's safe to drill there. That said, since I already see GPIO pins that I know are connected, but show no traces, I don't have much faith in that image.

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    4. Re:yo dawg! by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1

      I wish the board was just headers (pin headers) and had options for cables that would be chassis-mount friendly. THAT is how you do a DIY.

      in fact, some would not connect the usb's to anything. some would not care about hdmi (like myself). some would not care about ethernet.

      like the arduino, it should have been 'just pins' and with good idc ribbon cable options to standard connectors such as the rj45 and usb.

      had they done that, it would have been cheaper and they'd have room for holes.

      for these boards, I guess some rubber bumpers that push against the side of the board is the best we can do. mount this inside a box and strain-relief all the existing connections to external connections. PITA but it would at least stand up to some real world abuse.

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    5. Re:yo dawg! by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      In other words, the current design tries too hard to cram too much into too little space. I tend to agree, though for non-case-mounted uses, I could see the compact size being useful. It's definitely a tradeoff.

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  13. Bad USB drivers. by Ostracus · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Has the problem with the USB drivers been fixed?

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    1. Re:Bad USB drivers. by rephlex · · Score: 3, Informative

      I submitted that. No, the problems with the USB drivers have not been fixed but software modifications subsequent to that post have improved the situation slightly for all Raspberry Pi's. Also, the revision 2 boards can supply more current to USB devices which means more of them will work when plugged in directly to the Pi. Unfortunately USB will most likely never work well on the Raspberry Pi due to the sheer difficulty of fixing the vendor-supplied drivers for the Synopsys USB controller which remain very buggy. I doubt the Raspberry Pi Foundation will ever acknowledge this.

    2. Re:Bad USB drivers. by Douglas+Goodall · · Score: 1

      I am really unhappy about the situation. In all respects the raspberry pi experience has been unsatisfying. I ordered one in march which never arrived and I received a refund in august. I ordered one in June which arrived in august. It was Farnell in UK to blame. They ignored dozens of emails from me and eventually agreed to reship my original ordered unit right away, expedited, but wanted my credit card, and this was before they finally gave me a refund. After all that I finally get my unit, plug it in, make an SD card and I discover the USB problem right away. In my case the USB problem manifests as an unexpected keyboard autorepeat which happens every few characters. All of a sudden, away it goes autorepeating my last keystroke dozens or hundreds of times, often only stopping when I hit another key. So there I am editing in vi with a hundred or so lines of carefully entered code (arduously having to back out numerous autorepeated characters) when the "d" key sticks and vi eats up all my text. As far as I am concerned, the raspberry pi is a joke, and not a funny one. The board is totally unusable. The USB problem affects any human interface devices and as well can affect the ethernet interface which is also connected through the USB. So you can't use the keyboard reliably, and you can't shell in with ssh reliably. Just how is anyone expected to work with this device, when it has such an obvious fatal flaw. If the revision 2 doesn't really fix the USB problem, then what is the realistic future of the device. If I understand correctly, thousands of people have paid in good faith, waited months, and have been disappointed when they receive this un-merchantable device. Just in what way is this device supposed to be usable for students, except as an example of a major fail. After all of this, I will NEVER do business with Farnell again, and I have all the expected feelings. The foundation was clueless using a closed, proprietary chip for which documentation is unavailable, this being counter intuitive to the entire open source paradigm. So I sit here with this device which I cannot in good faith resell to get my money back, and the time I waisted is lost forever. Bad business, bad customer support, bad engineering, bad marketing. I can't think of any aspect of this that was actually done well. Very disappointing in all respects. I had the expectations that this was real, and it has only now dawned on me how much trouble they have caused for so many people for what has to be a very small profit. They got their salaries for a while, but the reputation of everyone involved is questionable now.

  14. What is this?!? by MetalliQaZ · · Score: 3, Informative

    After waiting for 11 weeks for my RaspberryPi to ship, then getting an email that they would need many more weeks to supply the orders, they announce a 2.0 revision? How about fulfilling your orders first? They announced to the world months ago that they are producing thousands of units per day and yet I still don't have my order. I really don't like how this company is working.

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    1. Re:What is this?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about fulfilling your orders first?

      How about maybe the people designing the board aren't the same ones sticking shipping labels on the finished product?

    2. Re:What is this?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It sounds like an internal revision. You will probably get a 2.0 board if yours doesn't ship in the next few weeks. This is not a new product release.

    3. Re:What is this?!? by MetalliQaZ · · Score: 1

      RS hasn't shipped it because there was a "delay in manufacturing delivery" (their words)

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    4. Re:What is this?!? by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      I ordered mine from Farnell two weeks ago. They quoted three weeks for shipping. It arrived last week.

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    5. Re:What is this?!? by ctid · · Score: 1

      If you're in the UK, order from CPC. I ordered mine (having cancelled my RS order) at 10am on Tuesday and it was delivered at around 11am this morning.

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    6. Re:What is this?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you sure RS actually makes the boards? The fact that 2-3 designers work on a 2.0 board shouldn't affect the mass production of RPi over at the expensive manufacturing plant that then ships to RS. If they make the board, I'm confused. Why would they need to wait at all? The post seems to indicate they simply submitted new designs.

    7. Re:What is this?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least its better then the pandora hand held. 4+ years after pre ordering one. Still have not gotten it.

    8. Re:What is this?!? by remus.cursaru · · Score: 1

      I've registered with RS on May 5th and I've been invited to actually ordered it on June 20-something. It's September and they didn't dispatched my pie yet so yes, they can keep it. While they brag with extraordinary production capacity and local retailers have boards in stocks, my long gone money didn't brought me a damn board. Thanks for nothing, RS! I want my money back and I'll buy a 2.0 from someone that actually delivers.

    9. Re:What is this?!? by batkiwi · · Score: 2

      You didn't buy it from the rasp pi foundation, you bought it from RS/Farnell/etc.

      It's like blaming MS because your pre-ordered xbox at best buy didn't come in time while gamestop/etc still has tons.

    10. Re:What is this?!? by backwardMechanic · · Score: 1

      Because, you know, while the guys are designing the r2.0 board they're not putting r1.0 boards in boxes and licking stamps?

  15. means mine's gonna finally be on it's way by GLowder · · Score: 1

    Great. This means mine will finally be on it's way. With my luck, I'll get the last shipment that goes out of the now "obsolete" version. I'll then need to order again for a new 2.0 and wait months for it to ship.....

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    1. Re:means mine's gonna finally be on it's way by MetalliQaZ · · Score: 1

      Lesson learned. Don't order from RS online. Newark has over 100 in stock and RS wants to ship my Jun 29th order in October.

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    2. Re:means mine's gonna finally be on it's way by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      I got mine from Farnell in less than a week.

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    3. Re:means mine's gonna finally be on it's way by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      I have received 2 from Newark, both under 2 weeks.

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  16. Dammit by WillyWanker · · Score: 2

    I just bought one a month ago. And NOW they release an updated board? Com'n, you couldn't warn us it was coming???

    1. Re:Dammit by pnot · · Score: 4, Funny

      I just bought one a month ago. And NOW they release an updated board? Com'n, you couldn't warn us it was coming???

      No.

    2. Re:Dammit by WillyWanker · · Score: 1

      But that ignores the "now I'm fucking pissed, will never give you any of my money again, and badmouth you till the end of time" effect that often accompanies the Osborne effect.

    3. Re:Dammit by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      Are you new to computers or something?

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    4. Re:Dammit by WillyWanker · · Score: 1

      You mean like where Intel or AMD will announce new CPU/GPUs many months in advance, so you know what's coming in the future and can decide whether you want to buy their current offerings or wait for the new ones? Those kinds of computers?

    5. Re:Dammit by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      No it doesn't. It's a toss up of two evils, and a few bitching customers is worth not going completely under (the subject of the Osborn effect).

      Mind you if customers really bitched about a lack of upgraded product announcements we'd have no more companies. It's common practice not to announce new products until they are imminently available for exactly that reason.

      We're in the fast paced tech world, and a new model has been released. Unless your old one now magically doesn't work there's really nothing to complain about.

    6. Re:Dammit by WillyWanker · · Score: 1

      Despite being in a high-tech world and the consequences of the Osborne effect not a single tech company makes product announcements like this. Every single one gives many months notice of upcoming new releases. NO ONE does product announcements like this. And for a very good reason.

      To blatantly say "yeah, we have this brand new board that's ready to go, we're just waiting for suckers to buy up all the old ones before we start selling it" is pretty damned stupid. They're sure not going to earn any good will or customer brownie points. They're just going to piss off everyone that bought one in the last month, or have recently ordered one and is still waiting for it to be shipped.

      And I'll complain about anything I want, whenever I want, thankyouverymuch.

    7. Re:Dammit by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Yes well most companies are driven by a profit motive, not a non-profit scraping through products at ludicrously low prices.

      Sorry your 1 month old computer is obsolete. This was quite common a few years ago. But keep complaining, you only sound like a winger who hasn't missed out on anything and is out of pocket for less than a decent meal and a drink.

    8. Re:Dammit by WillyWanker · · Score: 1

      The price is irrelevant. It's the principle. You don't milk people for money like this. It's bad form, it pissed people off, and pissed off people have long memories.

  17. UK 2.0 by drwho · · Score: 4, Funny

    I am happy that the Raspberri PI has updated the UK to version 2.0. UK v 1.x was getting long in the tooth.

    1. Re:UK 2.0 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      tl;dr version: More rights to corporations,surveillance, less privacy and rights to citizens. ;)

    2. Re:UK 2.0 by mickwd · · Score: 1

      Great. Do you know if they've fixed the weather?

      And what about the motorway throughput? Is it really a driver problem?

  18. Release date? by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    After not being able to get the first, when may I expect to be unable to get that one?

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    1. Re:Release date? by Joce640k · · Score: 2

      I don't think you tried very hard.

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  19. still can't get the last model by deathguppie · · Score: 2

    Really doesn't matter to me since I had to sign up on a waiting list six months ago, then wait ten weeks after payment for shipment then just recently received an email stating that the order would be delayed. If I can't get the first revision a second one is simply meaningless to me.

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    1. Re:still can't get the last model by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Informative

      cancel your order and get it from MCM.. in stock and I'm getting them 2 days after ordering.

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    2. Re:still can't get the last model by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exact same situation here, and it pisses me off. This is a neat concept that is being dragged down by a crappy distribution model and poor execution.

  20. How about the A board first? by Lumpy · · Score: 1

    I have been waiting for the A board to be released. I want the 1/2 power use and all the useless stuff removed.
    Please guys? release the A board soon! I have an alarm clock project and a car stereo project that is dying for the A board.

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    1. Re:How about the A board first? by ctid · · Score: 1

      In today's announcement about UK manufacturing, they stated that the Model A would be available before the end of the year.

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  21. only way to tell... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    per the article is 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' but why not just look for the two new holes?

    1. Re:only way to tell... by Ignacio · · Score: 1

      How is software supposed to look for the holes? With the camera which a) may or may not be connected, and b) may or may not be pointed at the board?

  22. Ewww by DeathToBill · · Score: 3, Funny

    There's so much I love about this. Seeing British-designed products being produced in Britain. It just feels right. I love the educational aims of the RPi. I love the hacker culture around it. I love the ethical sourcing and the informal PR of the RPi foundation. It's all so good.

    And then... it's produced by... Sony. Yuck.

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    1. Re:Ewww by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least its not semi vaporware/rip off like the pandora hand held. If you were a preorderer you had a 50% chance of either getting one, or them running with your money.

    2. Re:Ewww by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes! Britain, Britain Uber alles! Sieg Hello!

  23. interesting i guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wondering why I ordered mine months ago and it may not ship until next month. I am sad. I should get a 2.0 board for my woes.

  24. Would like a hardware revision... by macromorgan · · Score: 1

    ...rather than simply a layout revision. While I like my rPi currently, I'd love to have more RAM, a faster processor, and a better graphics chip. Of course doing so would probably cause the price to blow past the current $35. Maybe they can add a revision "C" to their lineup?

    1. Re:Would like a hardware revision... by Immerman · · Score: 1

      The problem is that doing so would fragment the development base while the project is still getting off the ground, with all the "cool" stuff going just to the higher end boards because the developers can't be bothered to do the more difficult optimization to let their projects run well on the more limited hardware. Despite the popularity among the hobbyist crowd the project's primary focus is on delivering a low-cost computer to allow accessibility to budget constrained educational institutions, and the like. You can't reasonably expect a non-profit to sacrifice their primary goal for the sake of one segment of the hobbyist crowd.

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    2. Re:Would like a hardware revision... by Narishma · · Score: 1

      There are no plans for upgraded hardware. The most they will probably do is move to a 512MB RAM chip when it starts being less expensive than the 256MB chip they are using now.

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    3. Re:Would like a hardware revision... by makomk · · Score: 1

      They've already fragmented the developer base slightly. This board revision rearranges which GPIO pins correspond to which pins on the GPIO header; unless software developers go to additional effort to detect the board revision and use the correct GPIO definitions, software developed to use the GPIO interface on the newer revision won't work on the older and vice-version.

    4. Re:Would like a hardware revision... by Immerman · · Score: 1

      True, but the I'd bet that the GPIO pins are only used by a fairly small percentage of the hobbyists, it's basically a fringe feature added for them because it added virtually nothing to the unit cost while increasing the hobbyist appeal (which is sort of their bootstrap market)

      There's also the fact that it's trivial for a developer accessing the pins to detect the board revision, a matter of a couple lines of code, whereas it can take considerable effort to squeeze a demanding application down to run on a significantly slower processor or fit in half the ram.

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    5. Re:Would like a hardware revision... by batkiwi · · Score: 1

      The software will work, you'll just need a breakout cable (which you already need anyways) which swaps the pins into the correct place for whatever interface board you'er using.

      But simply detecting the RPI revision would be easy as well.

  25. Re:What about development tools? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Visual Studio = Microsoft, closed-source stuff and just plain evil with lawyers
    Raspberry Pi = Linux, open-source stuff and just happiness with rainbows

    Leave your nerd card at the door and never come back here.

  26. Wonderful News by formfeed · · Score: 1

    Now all the blogs can add a new story on how to connect an arduino to your Raspberry PI v2 ..

  27. Re:What about development tools? by jason.sweet · · Score: 0

    Visual Studio barely runs on my i7.

  28. Re:Who cares? No really. Raspberry Pi is ALL HYPE. by Hatta · · Score: 2

    I mean come on, what can you even do with this board that you can't do with a Mac Mini?

    You can't fit a Mac Mini into a cigarette box and run it off of 5 volts all for less than $100.

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  29. Re:What about development tools? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    New Account: Check
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  30. Picaxe by slashmojo · · Score: 2

    I gave up trying to get a RaspberryPi long ago. I was looking forward to it for months, I had such plans for it, but it's one hurdle after another to actually buy one. I check back every few months to see if anything changed - today I looked again and what do I see in the availability column? "Awaiting delivery". Wonderful..

    I'll just go back to tinkering with a picaxe instead.. it was cheap and easy to get and easy to make it do cool stuff even though I know nothing about about electronics. It may not run linux but it plugs into my ubuntu netbook and can be programmed with basic. It's actually fun, unlike the Pi which so far is just an exercise in frustration.

  31. Re:What about development tools? by KiloByte · · Score: 1

    qemu+wine are ----> over there. Although a hog like Visual Studio would take ages to even start.

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  32. really, you can make an x86 computer for $35? by Chirs · · Score: 1

    Since the RPi *is* a computer, I assume you meant an x86 computer.

    Where exactly can you find one for $35 that has GPIO pins, runs linux, and has HDMI, USB, and gigabit ethernet?

    1. Re:really, you can make an x86 computer for $35? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      gigabit ethernet, which model are you looking at?

      http://www.raspberrypi.org/faqs

  33. change suppliers by Chirs · · Score: 1

    Some suppliers are shipping immediately, others are on back order for some unknown reason.

  34. mac mini? really? mini costs 17x as much by Chirs · · Score: 1

    So the first thing you can do is buy 17x as many of them. You also get GPIO pins for hardware projects.

  35. Hard to get? by FrostedWheat · · Score: 1

    These are not difficult to get now, except if you order from RS. They're the only supplier that has failed to deliver one within a week. CPC and Farnell are pushing them out pretty quickly now. Not sure about Maplin.

  36. Re:Raspberry PI!!!! by danomac · · Score: 1

    Yes, but how many nuggets will that be?

  37. Re:Who cares? No really. Raspberry Pi is ALL HYPE. by Jae686 · · Score: 1

    +1 troll.

  38. as well as by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    useful I/O, and all the external connections COMING OFF ONE EDGE OF THE BOARD

  39. There are better products than the Pi by popo · · Score: 1

    It's slightly bewildering how the Pi has such a massive following. There are many other competing devices (many of which have cases and aren't just boards) which cost roughly the same price. And there are devices which are truly open, which the Pi is *not*.

    Ultimately it comes down to marketing and PR... and Slashdot.. which loves the Pi.

    But clearly you're going to get more bang for your buck with a product built outside the UK, where wages are some of the highest in the world. And you're going to have a hell of an easier time developing for a platform which uses truly open standards.

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    1. Re:There are better products than the Pi by batkiwi · · Score: 2

      What's good about the pi:

      -easy to use GPIO libraries were available day 1 (this is lacking on a LOT of the ARM SoC implementations)

      -they worked pre-release with the XBMC to ensure that a "functioning" media center was available day 1

      -tiny, cheap, powerful "enough" (you'll find better bang for buck, but not generally "cheaper")

      -HDMI and ethernet onboard. Many don't come with either, requiring an adapter card

      It's not perfect, but it is in a bit of a "sweet spot" for hobbiests who need a bit of power and a bit of easy.

  40. Connectors by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

    They've made a new board but kept the positions of the USB/Ethernet misaligned. Good one.

    1. Re:Connectors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, first thing I noticed as well. If they couldn't align them by placing one further back then why couldn't they move the other one out? The way it is now the "form factor" only "saves" a sliver of PCB and nothing at all is gained. It doesn't fit in an Altoids tin, or a cigarette pack, (or a wallet lol), and it doesn't come with any kind of simple rugged enclosure so nothing would be lost at all.

      Another thing is whether the revision combined with the quantitative change should have introduced PoE right now. Why wait if you're making changes anyway? The profit margin should allow it.

      I like the Raspberry Pi concept and in many ways it's a tremendous achievement but whoa there's way too many warning flags for me personally so far. On their own they're not deal-breakers but together they tip the scales into "wait and see", in order of appearance;
      - Broadcom, yeah well not a favourite blob-producer^Wcompany but it's where Eben works and they've shown a nicer side so that one passes.
      - ARM vs. Flash might get some ppl annoyed but that's how the world is, Adobe is keen on killing Flash and a lot of folks will wonder what they were thinking these days when html5 seriously fucks everything up big time (hate Flash? Wait and enjoy as everything becomes "Flash-like" but with far less actual user control/discrimination/containment relative to retaining actual/usable access).
      - software bugs, ok that's to be expected, wait USB bugs? Power bugs? Oh...
      - physical bugs, ok fixed now, let's wait and make sure.
      - cultish/mindless "yes-itude" with a dash of overly sensitive censorship, ok at this point a month or so back I started getting a bit troubled. This stuff easily destroys communities.
      - Sony... oh my dear god... I'd rather it have a "made by Satan" stamp on it :D

      One cannot trust Sony! It doesn't help if they have nice products or good quality controls or nice anything since they CAN NOT BE TRUSTED! And no it doesn't help that 99.9% of morons don't know better. "Hell yes!" I'll even trust PLA-owned* Chinese companies more: none of them have been proven to do what Sony did and what Sony did should have made Sony bankrupt in hours; they are damaged goods.

      * People's Liberation Army: the army of the Chinese Communist Party.

      Despite all this it will still be "good enough" for introductory educational markets (just as the less than stellar BBCs, Spectrums, and Acorns were) and will likely occupy the same kind of niche over time (and do lots of good) before dying somewhere in the early 2020ies, but that's not why I was interested in the first place since I already own several unencumbered computers.

      Despite what the Raspberry foundation thinks it was NOT the educational markets that gave them this initial success; it was price and promise.

    2. Re:Connectors by marto · · Score: 1

      It would seem they're (the Pi foundation members) are politely asking those denouncing Sony in their comments section to stop.

    3. Re:Connectors by Douglas+Goodall · · Score: 1

      Sony, oh blah... I am boycotting Sony after my experience with the PS3's. I bought two so I could run Linux and learn about Cell programming. An obvious case of bait and switch. I don't trust anything having to do with Sony, and I am even making an honest attempt to avoid paying for their movies. Why doersn't Sony put a battery on the pi, so it can explode?

  41. Re:Who cares? No really. Raspberry Pi is ALL HYPE. by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

    Apple host their own websites on servers running Linux. Can they not afford better software from themselves?

  42. Have they fixed it yet? by Trogre · · Score: 1

    Have they yet replaced the defective closed-architecture chips that required binary-only drivers?

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  43. Re:What about development tools? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We get your point but please don't shoot yourself: if you think it through altering hardware to work with IDEs (or similar) is almost the norm.

  44. Re:What about development tools? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

    It can. There is a clang plugin for Visual Studio which can generate ARM binaries. If you have the correct headers and build project settings, it will generate binaries for the RPi. However, it will not use clang for syntax highlighting, so if you write C99 / C11 or GNU-flavoured C++ then the syntax highlighter will become confused, as will the autocompletion logic. There is also nothing on the RPi that speaks the (undocumented?) protocol that VS uses for remote debugging, so you won't get to use the integrated debugger. So, while it will technically work, there it won't really be an IDE anymore, just a pretty crappy text editor (once you break autocompletion and syntax highlighting, it will be quite frustrating to use). You'd be better off with Vim and the clang plugin - at least then context-sensitive autocompletion will work...

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  45. Quality? Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Having worked at a company where our PCBAs were made in England (Leicester) with a 50%+ reject rate at the dock due to quality issues I can debate the statement about the production lines.

  46. Not wary... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I won't buy sony. period.