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Raspberry Pi Revision 2.0 Board Announced
An anonymous reader writes "The Raspberry Pi finally saw a release on February 29 this year and is thought to have sold 200,000 units, with a million expected to ship before the year is over. That's a lot of tiny PCs, but it's also been an opportunity for owners to feedback any problems or tweaks they'd like made to the board. The Raspberry Pi Foundation has taken the feedback on board and today announced a revised design is being put into production. The new Raspberry Pi, known as revision 2.0 PCB, is expected to start shipping in the next few weeks. The revision includes a number of changes, but is essentially the same board. To summarize it includes a new reset circuit, a replacement for the reset fuses allowing for more reliable USB hub power, two GPIO pin changes for JTAG debug support, four redundant GPIO signals have been removed, and a new connector has been added for attaching a range of boards including a clock or audio codec. Two of the more easily noticeable changes include a fix that stops the HDMI connection interfering with certain operations of the Raspberry Pi, and the addition of two 2.5mm mounting holes to allow for easier mounting."
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http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1925
who where what when now?
Can you use this with Visual Studio? As I just love the newest VS.
I think your question should read: "Can Visual Studio work with open source compilers and tool chains dedicated to ARM via plugins or simple modification?"
The day we start altering our hardware to work with an IDE is the day I go home and put a bullet in my head.
So now that I ordered my Pi, paid for it, and have been waiting for months for it to even ship, they're improving it? Will those of us still waiting get the new board or what's left of the old versions?
You can use Visual Studio to produce code that runs on the Pi, but not run Visual Studio on the Pi.
Change is certain; progress is not obligatory.
I can't wait to not see this one.
Yes, it can. How do you think Intel's compiler integrates into Visual Studio? You just need to write the plugin for integration and make custom build rules.
My problem with the Raspberry Pi is that it's not truly open - there's a binary bootloader and graphics driver, and the SoC is undocumented. If I wanted to write my own operating system from bootloader to windowing system, I'd have to do a lot of reverse engineering. That's kinda why I'd prefer the Beagle Board.
(Disasbuse me of this notion if I am wrong.)
...but it's being eaten...by some...Linux or something...
preview the force luke... damn, meant this board needs a lot of non-free stuff. /me hangs head in shame
Hello, I'd like a plastic case, from anyone, that doesn't cost anywhere near the price of the networked/motherboard/CPU powerhouse that is Rasberry Pi. We're talking about molded, (or whatever), plastic. Relatively precision plastic I will grant you, but a small plastic box is The Specification. It doesn't even need to look pretty, just more functional than the cardboard box now in-use. -Thanks, from my entire budget for Rasberries this season.
You can't be ahead of the curve, if you're stuck in a loop.
Has the problem with the USB drivers been fixed?
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After waiting for 11 weeks for my RaspberryPi to ship, then getting an email that they would need many more weeks to supply the orders, they announce a 2.0 revision? How about fulfilling your orders first? They announced to the world months ago that they are producing thousands of units per day and yet I still don't have my order. I really don't like how this company is working.
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Great. This means mine will finally be on it's way. With my luck, I'll get the last shipment that goes out of the now "obsolete" version. I'll then need to order again for a new 2.0 and wait months for it to ship.....
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I just bought one a month ago. And NOW they release an updated board? Com'n, you couldn't warn us it was coming???
Hopefully that will change soon with the reverse engineering effort underway: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTE3NTE
I am happy that the Raspberri PI has updated the UK to version 2.0. UK v 1.x was getting long in the tooth.
After not being able to get the first, when may I expect to be unable to get that one?
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Really doesn't matter to me since I had to sign up on a waiting list six months ago, then wait ten weeks after payment for shipment then just recently received an email stating that the order would be delayed. If I can't get the first revision a second one is simply meaningless to me.
once more into the breach
I have been waiting for the A board to be released. I want the 1/2 power use and all the useless stuff removed.
Please guys? release the A board soon! I have an alarm clock project and a car stereo project that is dying for the A board.
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There's so much I love about this. Seeing British-designed products being produced in Britain. It just feels right. I love the educational aims of the RPi. I love the hacker culture around it. I love the ethical sourcing and the informal PR of the RPi foundation. It's all so good.
And then... it's produced by... Sony. Yuck.
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...rather than simply a layout revision. While I like my rPi currently, I'd love to have more RAM, a faster processor, and a better graphics chip. Of course doing so would probably cause the price to blow past the current $35. Maybe they can add a revision "C" to their lineup?
Visual Studio = Microsoft, closed-source stuff and just plain evil with lawyers
Raspberry Pi = Linux, open-source stuff and just happiness with rainbows
Leave your nerd card at the door and never come back here.
Now all the blogs can add a new story on how to connect an arduino to your Raspberry PI v2 ..
I mean come on, what can you even do with this board that you can't do with a Mac Mini?
You can't fit a Mac Mini into a cigarette box and run it off of 5 volts all for less than $100.
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I gave up trying to get a RaspberryPi long ago. I was looking forward to it for months, I had such plans for it, but it's one hurdle after another to actually buy one. I check back every few months to see if anything changed - today I looked again and what do I see in the availability column? "Awaiting delivery". Wonderful..
I'll just go back to tinkering with a picaxe instead.. it was cheap and easy to get and easy to make it do cool stuff even though I know nothing about about electronics. It may not run linux but it plugs into my ubuntu netbook and can be programmed with basic. It's actually fun, unlike the Pi which so far is just an exercise in frustration.
qemu+wine are ----> over there. Although a hog like Visual Studio would take ages to even start.
The creatures outside looked from Alt-Right to Antifa; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
Since the RPi *is* a computer, I assume you meant an x86 computer.
Where exactly can you find one for $35 that has GPIO pins, runs linux, and has HDMI, USB, and gigabit ethernet?
Some suppliers are shipping immediately, others are on back order for some unknown reason.
So the first thing you can do is buy 17x as many of them. You also get GPIO pins for hardware projects.
Because of the lack of mounting holes, it is very hard to design a snug-fitting case for the the first-gen Raspberry Pi. I'm pretty sure the component placement precludes using a rail-mounted design (slide-in) because there are too many components right at the edge of the board. And there are components at every corner of the board. About the only thing I can come up with are flat rubber bumpers where the CE logo is, under the Ethernet jack, and under the video jack, with different-thickness rubber bumpers on top of the USB jacks and the Pi logo, coupled with insanely tight tolerances around the edges of the board to eliminate sliding back and forth.
I ordered five of these a week ago and learned about the inability to mount them rigidly after I ordered them. They shipped yesterday. I'm not happy. I definitely would not have ordered them had I known that in just a few weeks, I'd be able to get one without this rather serious design flaw.
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the OLS (open logic sniffer probe) also was designed and shipped without any mounting holes.
what is it with very smart hardware guys who MISS THE OBVIOUS things like mounting screw holes?
I design and build hardware and while I'm not good enough to be a cpu system designer (my digital chops are more modest) at least I would not have omitted the so-obvious mounting holes.
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These are not difficult to get now, except if you order from RS. They're the only supplier that has failed to deliver one within a week. CPC and Farnell are pushing them out pretty quickly now. Not sure about Maplin.
How is software supposed to look for the holes? With the camera which a) may or may not be connected, and b) may or may not be pointed at the board?
There is a reason its not as pretty as you would like. It would cost more. If you want a clean case, extend the ports and make one.
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Yes, but how many nuggets will that be?
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It's not just the lack of mounting holes. Give me a quarter inch of empty board space all the way around with no components and I don't need holes. Just build a case where the board slides in. The problem with this board design is that it has neither mounting holes nor even one single solitary contact point where you can put physical pressure on both sides of the board in the same spot without knocking components off. Opposite the CE logo are the major power regulating components for the whole board. Opposite the RPi logo are dozens of tiny surface-mount components. The closest you can get to a friction mounting involves removing the GPIO header and/or putting pressure on top of the USB stack (moderately safe) or video jack (moderately safe).
Or if I knew I wasn't ever going to use the GPIO header on a particular board, I guess I could remove it, cut the traces, and drill a screw hole in the corner where they belong, and another one almost opposite it, between the USB and Ethernet jacks, assuming there aren't any hidden traces in an inner layer of the board that I'm not able to see, but if the last board layer artwork posted (http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/gerbers2.png) is correct, then it's safe to drill there. That said, since I already see GPIO pins that I know are connected, but show no traces, I don't have much faith in that image.
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I wish the board was just headers (pin headers) and had options for cables that would be chassis-mount friendly. THAT is how you do a DIY.
in fact, some would not connect the usb's to anything. some would not care about hdmi (like myself). some would not care about ethernet.
like the arduino, it should have been 'just pins' and with good idc ribbon cable options to standard connectors such as the rj45 and usb.
had they done that, it would have been cheaper and they'd have room for holes.
for these boards, I guess some rubber bumpers that push against the side of the board is the best we can do. mount this inside a box and strain-relief all the existing connections to external connections. PITA but it would at least stand up to some real world abuse.
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useful I/O, and all the external connections COMING OFF ONE EDGE OF THE BOARD
It's slightly bewildering how the Pi has such a massive following. There are many other competing devices (many of which have cases and aren't just boards) which cost roughly the same price. And there are devices which are truly open, which the Pi is *not*.
Ultimately it comes down to marketing and PR... and Slashdot.. which loves the Pi.
But clearly you're going to get more bang for your buck with a product built outside the UK, where wages are some of the highest in the world. And you're going to have a hell of an easier time developing for a platform which uses truly open standards.
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In other words, the current design tries too hard to cram too much into too little space. I tend to agree, though for non-case-mounted uses, I could see the compact size being useful. It's definitely a tradeoff.
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They've made a new board but kept the positions of the USB/Ethernet misaligned. Good one.
Apple host their own websites on servers running Linux. Can they not afford better software from themselves?
Have they yet replaced the defective closed-architecture chips that required binary-only drivers?
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It can. There is a clang plugin for Visual Studio which can generate ARM binaries. If you have the correct headers and build project settings, it will generate binaries for the RPi. However, it will not use clang for syntax highlighting, so if you write C99 / C11 or GNU-flavoured C++ then the syntax highlighter will become confused, as will the autocompletion logic. There is also nothing on the RPi that speaks the (undocumented?) protocol that VS uses for remote debugging, so you won't get to use the integrated debugger. So, while it will technically work, there it won't really be an IDE anymore, just a pretty crappy text editor (once you break autocompletion and syntax highlighting, it will be quite frustrating to use). You'd be better off with Vim and the clang plugin - at least then context-sensitive autocompletion will work...
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