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Chinese Students Say They Are Being Forced To Build Your Next iPhone
pigrabbitbear writes "Now that Apple is putting the finishing touches on the most anticipated smartphone in history, Chinese students are again being pressed into service on the factory line inside the largest single internship program in the world. This according to two separate stories in the Chinese press. A report today in the Shanghai Daily says that hundreds of students in the city of Huai'an were forced to help fulfill iPhone 5 orders starting last Thursday. Classes in town had allegedly been interrupted as a result, since the two-month long internships would fulfill the students' need to 'experience working conditions.'"
...so it evens out in college.
//never actually worked in the food service industry
///maybe a small regret in my life
I swear they give me mod points to shut me up.
Based on which measurement?
It's not about students applying to foxconn for a part time job. It's about the univeristy they work for ordering students who had no previous relations to foxconn to go work there and suspending classes as a result.
Did you read TFA? "A student [...] said 200 students from her school had been driven to the factory. [...] Several other students from at least five colleges backed up what she said, saying they were being forced to work for 12 hours a day. [...] Foxconn was badly in need of 10,000 workers but students were looking forward to returning to classrooms to continue their academic studies which had been seriously disrupted." How is this a routine event?
Almost all of us have done it. I'm certainly no fan of Apple but this appears to be making something out of a routine event.
You call a government program to meet manufacturing quotas for the purpose of moving large amounts of money from the US to China by mandating the participation of students on factory assembly lines a "routine event"? No, cpu6502, that is not at all something that "almost all" of us have done.
No independent confirmation; "someone posting under the name of Dalingzhuimengnan said" and "radio reports" and statements from Universities about internships ... all the links lead back to one Shanghai Daily article. This "journalism" needs fact checking and verification. It may be true or it may not. Time will tell. You may now resume backing Apple as if the other phones made in China wouldn't use similar tactics if they could get away with it.
Actually no other phone/tablet has so many preorders and so much rush to get it on the day it becomes available. So yeah there is no sudden spike for other companies, and they dont need to bring in temporary students to fill the rush.
Does that mean there's a labor shortage in China? If so, then things are about to get interesting.
Seriously here, when will the world wise up to the fact that "cheap cinese labor" has costs that don't tabulate out cleanly on expense sheets and quarterly reports?
Is getting your technology for fractions of a cent per transistor worth.... this?
Do the affluent of today not know that this kind of despotism breeds civil unrest, government oppression, and the degredation of what it means to be a human being?
Do they even care?
A worker's paradise indeed. Does anyone know of any electronics makers who don't abuse another country's willingness to throw its own people under the bus for money?
Different countries have different labor situations. Protest with your wallet, or lack thereof.
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China isn't really like north america or europe in this regard. I wouldn't be surprised if the entire government in the area (district or even prefecture) is actually just an extension of foxconn (legally, officially), and if you're at their school you can be told to work at their factory, they pay for it after all. You can't take one of their products into their town, you can't set up a vegetable stall without their permission and in their town etc. This isn't some mom and pop little GM assembly plant with 6000 employees. This is a small factory with only 40 000 workers that they need to expand (http://www.tuaw.com/2012/05/21/foxconn-building-new-production-line-for-apple-products/ )
Conceptually it's much like factory towns elsewhere, with varying degrees of official backing, and institutionalizing who actually runs the show.
There is also, in china at least, some measure of communist collective effort and coercion still. This has to be done, so we all pitch in to do it, because it's for the good of the country, or else. And to some degree they're right - without a strong collective effort they wouldn't be where they are. Of course if they cared about their workers they'd be paying a lot more than 250 dollars a month, but lets not go crazy here, you need to keep costs down to stay competitive.
The government can always conscript you and and then send you to work digging trenches, fighting wars or building schools if they want. Normally rich countries don't resort to that in all but the most extreme circumstances, but for china a million iphones probably brings in 10 or 15 million dollars (http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2012/01/31/how-much-of-the-iphone-is-made-in-china/). That's a lot of money, especially since, if you look at the first link I had, they're talking about only a 56 million dollar factory. There is a strategic interest in doing whatever it takes to meet that demand rather than risk letting somewhere else pick up the sales - and that's only direct wages for the phone assembly, there's all of the components manufactured in china as well - and they want to be seen as doing whatever it takes to keep it that way. China is taking 'being accommodating to business' as far as you can take it without outright allowing slavery - and that is deliberate.
What sort of university is that?!
A university in a totalitarian country? E.g., it was traditional in the countries of the Eastern Bloc for (state-owned) schools to send pupils to do "voluntary work" for the (state-owned and fairly inefficient) agriculture. Technically, nobody forced the students to do that, but you know...the universities could accommodate only so many students, they had to pick...see where the whole thing is going?
Ezekiel 23:20
The slaves of Terra are being summoned again to fulfill the species needs.
why students for a job that does not need college and make it in to a internship that is no pay / way under min wage.
also 6 days a week a 12 hours a day is a full time job with overtime and not a part time internship.
This a intern abuse at it's extreme.
Now if the school is really looking out for the students they should makeing it so that the intern are learning about there field and are not just being used as full time extra hands.
Wikipedia: "At the time it was evident that Edina was still a farming town, since school vacations coincided with spring planting and fall harvesting so the children could help in the fields."
19 USC 1307:
All goods, wares, articles, and merchandise mined, produced, or manufactured wholly or in part in any foreign country by convict labor or/and forced labor or/and indentured labor under penal sanctions shall not be entitled to entry at any of the ports of the United States, and the importation thereof is hereby prohibited, and the Secretary of the Treasury is authorized and directed to prescribe such regulations as may be necessary for the enforcement of this provision. ...
'Forced labor', as herein used, shall mean all work or service which is exacted from any person under the menace of any penalty for its nonperformance and for which the worker does not offer himself voluntarily. For purposes of this section, the term "forced labor or/and indentured labor" includes forced or indentured child labor.
Anyone now has the right to file a complaint that could result in all iPhone 5 units incoming to the US be impounded at U.S. customs. This includes competitors.
So is an education. Unfortunately, classes are being cancelled so students can be illegally forced to work in an assembly plant.
But then again, if work experience is so valuable, maybe we should shut down Harvard and MIT for a week each semester so the students can get some highly valuable work experience at a world class establishment like McDonalds or Walmart. What do you think?
Unpaid internships are the new black (market labor).
One political party wants to repeal minimum wage laws, child labor laws, and the entire category "labor laws".
Take a good look at what happens when you have a government that wants to "unleash business". And polish that resume, or you might not get that unpaid internship (I wonder if they give them free pizza).
Who's calling the shots in China? Hu Jintao or Apple?
In related news, Mitt Romney sees cold fusion as the future of "basic science", so clearly things are looking up here in the 'States.
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Students were pulled from their classes, forced to work 12-hour shifts, and punished if they protested or tried to leave. None of this was voluntary, and all of it highly illegal even by Chinese law. The students were paid a very nominal amount, but were billed for room and board which clawed that money right back to the factory, meaning this is a "Sixteen Tons" situation where the students didn't actually get paid.
As for the "work experience," it consisted of snapping parts together and filling boxes. The students were studying Law and English. The factory work had no educational value of any kind, not are any of the students getting the references or connections customarily associated with internships.
Are you getting this yet? The students were grabbed from school, shipped to the factory and made to work 12-hour shifts. No one had agreed to any of this. Anyone who talked back or tried to leave was punished.
The nicest label you can slap on this is "impressment," which is just a fancy way of saying slavery. So let me get this straight. A national healthcare plan is "enslaving doctors," but grabbing kids out of class and forcing them to work 12-hour shifts without pay is "valuable work experience?"
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I wouldn't be surprised if the entire government in the area (district or even prefecture) is actually just an extension of foxconn (legally, officially)
It's a communist regime, no matter how capitalistic they might seem, it's still the same, meaning, your statement is actually backwards, foxconn and every other chinese company is in fact an extension of the government. This isn't an assumption, but fact.
In the East European countries, under the communist rule, this happened all the time, and at a much grander scale. You finished high-school or whatever, you were assigned a job. If they needed a mechanic, then you were a mechanic, if they needed someone to push carts around, then that's what you would do. That you were studying to become a doctor or a teacher or something else, it really didn't matter that much.
That's the reason half the population lives in towns, because most of them were forcibly moved to be become a ready source of labor.
It's kind of sad to see that kind of regime in today's age and most people raise so much fuss about some minor complaint regarding their favorite toys, when they do so much worse to others ...
Don't get me wrong, I may dislike the current type of "democracy", but only because I've lived the alternative.
I see, most of the drones here do not.
As more and more of USA industry is nationalized this is exactly where we are heading.
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Since Obama's inauguration we've seen a huge drop in public sector employment and an increase in private sector employment. In other words, industry is less and less nationalized on our current trajectory.
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China doesn't have an adversarial and independent press (though God knows it could be argued the US doesn't have one anymore either). When things like this happen, the best you're going to get are strangled, scattered reports in fitful sporadic bursts, as happened in our own (US) revolution.
Responsible journalism would involve a reporter going out to investigate the reports and interview the people on the scene. The government won't allow it. So now you're in a similar situation where the police get a call about a wife beater. They go to the accused man's house and find there's blood on his sleeveless t-shirt, they can hear sobbing inside, but he won't let them in the door. Suddenly you have to take those few scattered reports a lot more seriously.
Various students are reporting they've been pressed into service by a dictatorial government. The dictatorial government in question isn't allowing anyone to investigate their claims. The government's behavior in and of itself tends to corroborate the students' reports, especially given the previous history of the factory in question.
He put his boots up on the table and made a face. "The sig," he smirked. "You can waste your life in search of the sig."
probably comes from the same factory as the iphone, or if not, then the factory down the street, and since nobody is putting pressure on Samsung to 'clean up its supply chain' (since its in Korea after all) then Samsung does not hire inspectors to go harass factory managers to clean up their act.
... we, university students (personal experience), but also, I've heard more seniour people in "intellectual" line of employment were forced in the Fall to go help our collectivized farmers pick up potatoes and do some other harvest-related work. (Kartoshka! ;-) )...
I do not know if, given my current line work, I would enjoy assembling high-tech stuff more than that (and would definitely learn more from it), but, overall, I, personally, did not mind at all, it was an excuse to live outside the control of our parents (for those of us who did not go to school in another city/lived in dorm which was less common than in this country), get as drunk as our farmer hosts, shmooze with girls, etc. ;-) As to actual work -- my buddies and myself self-organized to proclaim that we are going to do actual "hard" work, loading bags of potato on trucks, while the rest do "easy" part, pick and load the bags... Of course it would take much more actual time to fill a bag than to throw it into the truck, the rest we spent hanging out and baking potatoes!
Somehow I think that efficiency necessary to assemble iPhones would preclude those Chinese kids to have any good times though, but do not think that it was/is not common in "Communist" countries.
(And, no, we did not get paid, unless you could a bag of potatos which you might or might not sneak back home at the end).
Paul B.
iPhone purchasers will be ok with it.
Oliver's law of assumed responsibility: If you're seen fixing it, you will be blamed for breaking it.
That should be: "Sadly, the Obama does not consider Game Mastering in their employment statistics."... it started out as "is not considering", and I messed up the editing.
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"Almost all"? Time to live in the now! Because it looks like you're from the 80's or somethin'. A majority of European countries have professional armies today.
Isn't it more of a capitalist dictatorship? With a communist system, you usually had state-set goals for the economy.
They decided that the country needed X pieces of Y, then made the (state owned) companies produce it. With China, it's the other way around. The companies decide what they can market, then the government makes the people work for the companies. It's actually just highly evolved capitalism. The Chinese managed to skip the period in which the workers think they are free, and go straight to the endgame where they are little more then slaves to their corporate overlords.
You cannot ascribe collective motivation to individuals
Actually, you can. Different cultures approach shared sacrifice very differently. The japanese particularly are much much more about 'your role in society' than 'how you benefit from society' the way we are in north america. Quebec (the french speaking part of canada) is actually very collective relatively to the rest of north america because they view themselves, or at least the french within quebec, view themselves as this pocket of french culture resisting english encroachment. That has worked very well for them in gaining control of their language, culture and establishing rights for themselves in the same sense. But it hasn't worked out fantastically well economically.
I realize where you're coming from with game theory - but some countries have made a very long term very deliberate effort to overcome people behaving in their own interest at everyone else's expenses.
You mean RIM? BioWare? Bombardier? ATI?
Without a doubt, the oil industry has been a disaster for canada. We went from being a manufacturing economy producing almost 50% more cars per capita than the US, to a place where making cars is becoming too expensive.
It's economy is still based on oil and logging.
I realize the US perception of canada is out of date, but that's 100 years out of date. As I say though, oil causing us a lot of grief, it's good for newfoundland because there aren't a lot of them, but it's driving up the dollar.
It is silly to say that Canada is doing better than the USA when Canada is essentially completely dependent on it's proximity to the USA:
No, we aren't dependent. We're close, that means it's convenient to buy and sell from the US. We also recognize that this plan isn't working out, and it's time to move on. That's why we're building east west oil pipelines for example. If we weren't close to the US we'd be doing the same thing as Australia, who isn't near anyone, and trading with anyone.
even though Canada has vastly greater natural resources per capita than the USA.
In places no one lives. Not really a fair comparison.
In global rankings such as HDI we are about the same
On healthcare, wealth distribution we're doing better. On HDI we are in a statistical tie. If you are going to be in the wealthiest 1% so to speak you want to be in the US. If you want to be anyone else, you're better off in canada. By a long shot.
I may not like our conservatives, but we don't have a political party that has institutionalized living in a fantasy land the like the republicans, we've actually had healthcare for years. We no longer have groups of people fighting over basic issues, like access to abortion, or the right to vote, because we're all in this together, and we've moved on from that nonsense. We don't throw huge numbers of people in jail because we actually make decisions based on evidence, not based on some misguided notion of justice.
Money isn't everything, but even in that we're doing better - because we had more regulation, and more socialism than the US in 2008.
Sure, but 'Internship' doesn't necessarily mean they get pay, they just get credit.
My wife is Chinese and during college all students do an internship where they work on a factory floor, or on a farm, or do a stint in the military. She worked in a car factory in Tianjin, installing door handles. She was paid the same as the factory workers, which was not much in those days, but enough to live on.
This is even showing up in newspapers in China and on China National Radio, which is state-controlled. The state-controlled media point out that Foxconn is run from Taiwan. The city government of Huai has stepped in and send some of the students back to school.
Somebody should raise enough hell to have IPhone 5 shipments seized at US Customs while this issue is resolved. Customs can hold them up to 3 months for investigation.
... they should petition their government about that.