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Intel Predicts Ubiquitous, Almost-Zero-Energy Computing By 2020

MrSeb writes "Intel often uses the Intel Developer Forum (IDF) as a platform to discuss its long-term vision for computing as well as more practical business initiatives. This year, the company has discussed the shrinking energy cost of computation as well as a point when it believes the energy required for 'meaningful computing' will approach zero and become ubiquitous by the year 2020. The idea that we could push the energy cost of computing down to nearly immeasurable levels is exciting. It's the type of innovation that's needed to drive products like Google Glass or VR headsets like the Oculus Rift. Unfortunately, Intel's slide neatly sidesteps the greatest problems facing such innovations — the cost of computing already accounts for less than half the total energy expenditure of a smartphone or other handheld device. Yes, meaningful compute might approach zero energy — but touchscreens, displays, radios, speakers, cameras, audio processors, and other parts of the equation are all a long way away from being as advanced as Intel's semiconductor processes."

144 comments

  1. SWEET! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I can't wait to overclock those chips so high that I need liquid cooling! Sounds like a fun project.

    1. Re:SWEET! by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      I can't wait to overclock those chips so high that I need liquid cooling! Sounds like a fun project.

      Wearable computers with liquid cooling? No sweat!

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  2. Almost? by nukenerd · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Almost" ?? As in "I almost saw one camel today"?

    1. Re:Almost? by bongey · · Score: 4, Funny

      Schrödinger's camel ?

    2. Re:Almost? by RicktheBrick · · Score: 1

      So I guess that would mean a supercomputer like the latest IBM supercomputer would run in the average home on a wall socket. Now that would take a lot of improvement in the next 8 years.

    3. Re:Almost? by robthebloke · · Score: 2

      I'm still waiting for that 10Ghz Pentium 4 they promised.....

    4. Re:Almost? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was my thought. For many applications a low speed lower power consumption thing is a good thing. But there are still plenty of common applications that would be better of using 65w of electricity and using the reduced energy consumption for more cores or more power.

      Also, isn't this the same Intel that fails to understand that ARM is going to be very important in the future? AFAIK they're the only ones that aren't licensing the technology.

    5. Re:Almost? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

      Also, isn't this the same Intel that fails to understand that ARM is going to be very important in the future? AFAIK they're the only ones that aren't licensing the technology.

      Intel purchased 'StrongARM' from DEC ages ago(back when DEC still had things you could purchase), took it through a few generations under that name and then as 'Xscale', and then sold it to Marvell 6ish years ago(with the possible exception of one flavor that they use on their RAID boards, I can't remember).

      They still have an ARM license, they just aren't terribly motivated to use it. x86 doesn't have too many friends; but it certainly has a lot of customers, and Intel has somewhat... limited... incentive to march into the business of being yet another SoC shover as long as they can get away with the margins on their x86s parts and supporting silicon.

    6. Re:Almost? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They still have an ARM license, they just aren't terribly motivated to use it..

      Understand that in a company full of microprocessor designers, that the idea of paying for someone else's processor design was a huge fly in the ointment. The pressure from below to get rid of it and instead sell home grown low power designs was enormous. This weeks IDF is showing some of the fruits of that decision.

    7. Re:Almost? by froggymana · · Score: 2

      But there are still plenty of common applications that would be better of using 65w of electricity...

      Such as heating water for coffee or cooking breakfast?

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    8. Re:Almost? by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      Not to mention Intel knows what many here refuse to accept...ARM doesn't scale well.

      Sorry but its true, to get an ARM chip that does the IPC of even a first gen Core Duo you end up blowing the power envelope all to hell. It would be like taking a Yugo and getting it to go 120MPH. Sure its possible, but the gas mileage that the car was built for goes right down the shitter.

      As we've seen on the Intel side with Atom and the CULVs and the AMD side with Bobcat its simply easier to scale down X86 and still get great IPC than it is to scale up ARM and not blow the power budget. And Intel knows that given the choice of crazy battery life but slow as XMas VS crazy speed with not as great battery life? People tend to pick the speed and who can blame them?

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    9. Re:Almost? by somersault · · Score: 1

      Except multi-core ARM is plenty fast enough for phones, tablets and other low power applications right now. Power draw is still a much more important factor there too. There's no way in hell I want an x86 based tablet anytime soon when ARM/Tegra devices can drive full HD screens smoothly and give me 11 hours of battery life.

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    10. Re:Almost? by morgauxo · · Score: 1

      Maybe that is ok right now but given the time it would take to design and market the chip, tool the factories and actually get production going... by then you will expect more from your devices.

    11. Re:Almost? by morgauxo · · Score: 1

      No way, you are much better off just doing that directly with the natural gas that somebody would have used to produce the electricity.

    12. Re:Almost? by somersault · · Score: 1

      I'm not saying that Intel should head this route, I'm just saying that I'm happy with the mobile ARM devices that we already have. They are superior to x86 in every way that matters for a mobile device.

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    13. Re:Almost? by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      But you are comparing with devices I bet you haven't even tried...have you even tried one of the new Atom or Bobcat units? I have an AMD E350 in my EEE and its fricking great, it gets nearly 7 hours surfing time on a device that weighs less than 2 and a half pounds, does full 1080P over HDMI, even plays L4D and GTA:VC (it would probably play the others in the series, I just don't have them) and it does so without ever getting more than slightly warm to the touch, never uncomfortable on my lap.

      And that is just today's chips friend, Bobcat II is gonna have sub 6w dual cores WITH that 6w also including a nice AMD Radeon GPU, the quads are shooting for a sub 9w, and of course since Intel is ahead on the shrinks they are talking sub 3w Atom duals that will do full 1080p and both will run ALL your X86 software no problem.

      So again we are seeing as AMD and Intel actually begin to care about TDP that its simply easier to scale down X86 while still curbstomping ARM when it comes to IPC. That doesn't mean ARM doesn't have a place, I seriously doubt anything will replace ARM in embedded and PMPs, but its easy to see a future where you can grab a sub $300 tablet that will let you run Windows, Linux, or BSD in full X86 while still getting good battery life and more importantly actually being enjoyable to use. Try loading a flash page on an ARM Android unit and it feels like you are running a P2 on the modern web, whereas I watch videos all day long on my Bobcat with full hardware acceleration and its smooth and still gives me room to multitask.

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    14. Re:Almost? by somersault · · Score: 1

      It won't be the Atom that is doing the HD decoding. Tablets and smartphones can play 1080p video and GTA fine. Flash works fine on my tablets too, but I prefer to avoid it even on the desktop.

      I have no idea why you are saying that x86 tablets will "actually be enjoyable to use", have you ever used a decent Android tablet? It sounds a bit hypocritical after asking if I have used Atom devices. I have an Aom netbook, but not a modern one.

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  3. "meaningful" by Hazel+Bergeron · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My Psion Series 3a computed "meaningfully" on a couple of AA batteries for days.

    1. Re:"meaningful" by 0123456 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Indeed. By the time we can do today's 'meaningful computation' for almost no energy, the definition will have changed to make it as 'meaningful' as what we used to run on a 6502.

    2. Re:"meaningful" by Earl_Parvisjam · · Score: 2

      Oh yeah? Well my Cassio calculator watch computed meaningfully for two years on the same battery, back in the 80's. Intel's just jealous.

    3. Re:"meaningful" by Hazel+Bergeron · · Score: 2

      Well my Tetris watch is still computing meaninglessly.

      No, I lie, I think I traded it in nineteen eighty-something. Can't remember for what, though. I hope it was good. I miss that watch.

    4. Re:"meaningful" by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      I make data loggers that run for five or more years on a single C cell battery. Zero energy and useful work mean quite different things to different people.

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  4. Release the source by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hope Intel that releases the source of the crack that they are smoking.

    1. Re:Release the source by Alex+Belits · · Score: 0

      I hope Intel that releases the source of the crack that they are smoking.

      They license it from Microsoft.

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  5. why not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Computation is zero energy, for sufficient values of zero.

  6. nice (an nitpick) by DMiax · · Score: 5, Insightful

    touchscreens, displays, radios, speakers, cameras, audio processors, and other parts of the equation are all a long way away from being as advanced as Intel's semiconductor processes

    It may not be possible at all to lower the power consuption of certain devices below a certain absolute threshold. No matter how advanced, a WiFi device has got to consume at least the power needed to reach other devices. A backlit screen will use at the very least the power it emits in light, etc... It is not simply a matter of technological advances.

    That said: amazing prospect. Hope it's not just bold claims no substance. It would really be fantastic.

    1. Re:nice (an nitpick) by arbiter1 · · Score: 2

      I would guess its intel talking about cpu side of things, the rest they don't really have control of R&D wise cept wifi on laptops but intel has some some decent power saving on wifi side of things in their chipsets

    2. Re:nice (an nitpick) by Idbar · · Score: 1

      Overall, you're right. I wonder if they can also be thinking about the "perceived" power consumption. I'm guessing the phone tower transmitting to you may also transmit enough power such that it can power your phone for long enough, and even re-charge it if the whole system is efficient.

    3. Re:nice (an nitpick) by timeOday · · Score: 1
      Wifi could probably use much less power if it were able to dynamically steer a high-gain antenna towards the base.

      Or maybe devices could use optical signaling instead. Imagine if the device used modulation of a mirror (perhaps by putting an LCD in front of it) so it could do bidirectional communication using only reflected energy (sapping only a tiny amount of energy for the modulator). This could be done opportunistically; if you're indoors and one of these IR transceivers is overhead use that, otherwise fall back to wifi; otherwise fall back to a radio cell.

      I guess my point is some of these "hard physical limits" can become insignificant if you have enough infrastructure.

    4. Re:nice (an nitpick) by aNonnyMouseCowered · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "A backlit screen will use at the very least the power it emits in light, etc... It is not simply a matter of technological advances." Our technologically won't be sufficiently advanced unless it's as energy efficient as nature. How much energy does a bioluminiscent fish consume? I often read about the brain being compared to a light bulb, and not just because of the Edison "invention" connection. Cellphones already consume less energy than a 5W lightbulb but are nowhere near as powerful as the MacDonald's-powered supercomputer inside our heads. Maybe the trick isn't getting as near to zero energy as physically possible but making our information devices sophisticated enough to recharge itself using whatever "free" energy source is available, be that the heat and radiation of the sun, the kinetic energy of a jogger, or the mere act of carrying the cellphone in your pocket while walking on the way to the office.

    5. Re:nice (an nitpick) by petermgreen · · Score: 2

      Radio losses are a bitch, only a tiny fraction of the original energy is left after a typical radio path.

      So if you try and power your device over radio you end up with a tiny fraction of the original energy, then losses in conversion and then a tiny fraction of what is left after those losses getting back to the base-station. I'ts just not practical except for very short distance links to very low power devices (think: rfid tags).

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    6. Re:nice (an nitpick) by Immerman · · Score: 1

      The brain really isn't remarkably energy efficient - sure it compares favorably to current tech, but its lead is shrinking rapidly. After all it's responsible for roughly 20% of your body's total energy consumption, which assuming a BMR of 1300 kCalories/day that's an average energy consumption of almost 13W. And I've heard that championship-level chess players can burn as many as 5000kCal/day during a tournament, which would suggest an additional 180W of average energy consumption, with peak consumption probably being at least 2-3 times that.

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    7. Re:nice (an nitpick) by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 1

      They would need to have more than control of the R&D of the wifi chips they would need control of laws of physics. emitting a wifi radio signal requires significant energy expenditure because you are emitting that energy.

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    8. Re:nice (an nitpick) by kaiser423 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      RF Engineer here. Let's put this in perspective. Your typical cell phone will receive somewhere around -50dBmW maximum. That's typically 4-5 full bars of reception. My phone is sitting next to me right now running -88dBmW, and that's two bars.

      So, let's say that you're receiving that -50dBmW signal. -50dBm is -80dBW. Let's convert that straight to Watts now, so 10^(-80/10). That's 1e-8 Watts, or 80 nano-Watts. Good luck charging your phone with that.

      That's also why you see RF being used everywhere. The dynamic range is huuuuuuuuge! Your cell phone can transmit +30dBm or more, and you can reliably receiving -80dBm. So, you're able to transmit Watts pretty easily, and receive nano Watts pretty easily. Yea, path loss can be a lot, but you've got a lot of headroom to deal with. That's just in the palm of your hand. Add in big, megawatt amplifiers and huge dishes with large, sensitive electronics and it's no wonder that we can reach out billions of miles. Really mind-boggling stuff if oyu stop to think about it.

    9. Re:nice (an nitpick) by godrik · · Score: 1

      I am sure there is bottom limit that we will not be able to pass. But how low is that limit actually? We are pushing the efficiency of all our technology way down. in recent screen technologies: LCD, LED, e-ink. Recent storage technology: flash, SSD, NVRAM.

      Making smartglasses flash with a raspberry pi, the glasses are tainted with a e-ink type of display (is that possible on glasses? I don't know the technology enough), the storage is on a SD card, and the input control is a microphone. That could in total cost less than 10W. Ok there is no networking included in that, I don't know much about lower power network interfaces, but bluetooth is cheap and you have a phone in your pocket (if you have fancy glasses, you most likely do have a fancy phone in your pocket).

      We are not that at "no measurable power footprint", but we are getting pretty low.

    10. Re:nice (an nitpick) by O('_')O_Bush · · Score: 1

      Rapidly shrinking in comparison to standstill, sure, but what does that matter in comparison to a technology lightyears away? We are still 15-30 years away from being able to model the synapses, maybe 50 from the full brain. And even then, without supercomputing, it would be drawing on the GW scale.

      Our brains are the product of many millions of years of design improvements, as the less efficient the brain is, in power or power usage, the smaller the chances of survival. I doubt we will ever reach brain efficiency on silicon.

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    11. Re:nice (an nitpick) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A backlit screen will use at the very least the power it emits in light

      So why back light the screen? An eInk screen uses no power to display. It only consumes power to change the display. The current problems are that color is expensive (will probably improve over time) and that screen changes are slow (has also been improving). This has left it to a limited set of uses, mainly for ereaders, which display the same screen for some time. Amazon just released a front lit version which still uses less power when lit than a back lit screen.

      It seems possible that eInk will continue to become cheaper, faster, and use less power. It may even be possible to make the contrast high enough that additional lighting is not needed (glow-in-the-dark ink?). You are probably right that this is not possible with a backlit screen, but why do you need a backlight? That's only one possible technical implementation to meet your needs.

      Your point about WiFi is better, although there is probably a lot of room for improvement there as well. Most devices probably do not need to be connected most of the time. Many devices are stationary and do not need WiFi (my Nintendo Wii uses WiFi but my TiVo is connected via wire and right next to it). If Bluetooth becomes ubiquitous, it can replace WiFi for many applications. Yes, range is more limited, but with ubiquitous connections, you don't need range.

    12. Re:nice (an nitpick) by Nemyst · · Score: 1

      Sometimes I think it might actually be a good idea to find a way to "power" your devices using your own energy - so finding a way of converting ATP into electricity for electronic devices. Out of juice? No problem, just eat a sandwich and you're good to go!

      As a bonus, you'd be able to say you lost weight by running folding@home. Solves obesity problems and advances science!

    13. Re:nice (an nitpick) by scheme · · Score: 2

      The brain really isn't remarkably energy efficient - sure it compares favorably to current tech, but its lead is shrinking rapidly. After all it's responsible for roughly 20% of your body's total energy consumption, which assuming a BMR of 1300 kCalories/day that's an average energy consumption of almost 13W. And I've heard that championship-level chess players can burn as many as 5000kCal/day during a tournament, which would suggest an additional 180W of average energy consumption, with peak consumption probably being at least 2-3 times that.

      That's wrong. Triathletes and cyclists doing long races can go through 5000kCal/day. Chess players don't come close. They're around 100-120kCal/hr at most.

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    14. Re:nice (an nitpick) by Noughmad · · Score: 1

      But with more sensitive receivers, the transmitter has to emit less energy. So improvements are possible.

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    15. Re:nice (an nitpick) by ArsonSmith · · Score: 1

      I'm not fat, me electronics just have a long battery life.

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    16. Re:nice (an nitpick) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For WiFi you could imagine the device figuring out where the connection point is and using a beam directed specifically in that direction, instead of sending a wasted signal in all directions. The screen doesn't need to be backlit, though you could imagine a wifi connection (again with directed beam) to an implant in your brain that makes you see a bright screen even though it isn't actually bright - or maybe there is no screen at all, you just see one. Or the whole thing could be running in your head in the first place. You could also have a laser from the room shine into a place on the device and that light could be used - though that's essentially drawing power from outside the device, so you could consider that cheating, but I think cheating is fine. Wireless charging could be used to run devices indefinitely that require power but don't have any battery We are no where near the end of what nature will allow.

    17. Re:nice (an nitpick) by wvmarle · · Score: 1

      A backlit screen will use at the very least the power it emits in light, etc..

      The problem is that we're still stuck with backlit screens.

      The next logical step is that the back light can go, like in current e-ink. Sure there's quite a way to go, but I'm positive we'll eventually get there. A display that has vivid colours, fast refresh rates, no afterglow, and uses ambient light (reflective) to be readable. Power consumption: almost zero.

    18. Re:nice (an nitpick) by wvmarle · · Score: 1

      Why not just use a crystal receiver? No batteries needed, no charging, gets all the power from the radio mast.

      May not work so well on mobile phone frequencies and so, but then the never-recharge feature should trump that minor inconvenience! AM radio ftw :-)

    19. Re:nice (an nitpick) by wvmarle · · Score: 1

      Not sure how much the brain uses but it's probably an order of magnitude more.

      And when it comes to computing, computers win. When it comes to pattern recognition, brains win. Just have to use the best tool for the job.

    20. Re:nice (an nitpick) by wvmarle · · Score: 1

      I've never seen a chess player, also not a top grade one, sweat as much as say a cyclist. Or a marathon runner. If your brain starts using 180W, that's a lot of heat being produced (all energy used will end up as heat). Plus the normal 50-100W to keep your body working, and you'll get really hot really fast.

    21. Re:nice (an nitpick) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You'll hit the noise floor anyways at some point, more sensitive or not.

    22. Re:nice (an nitpick) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We are still 15-30 years away from being able to model the synapses

      What? I don't know where you've been hiding, but out in the real world we're already modeling things like the cerebellum and other parts of the brain.

    23. Re:nice (an nitpick) by YoopDaDum · · Score: 1

      There is a minimum noise floor level in any system (thermal noise). This puts a lower bound on the useful sensitivity as there no point in going much under this floor. And current implementations are very close. So here again, we have a close physical boundary that limits possible gains.

    24. Re:nice (an nitpick) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a matter of the energy levels required for such passive receivers. You simply can't run a crystal receiver (at a useful data rate) at the power levels a cellphone operates at. Additionally, the crystal receivers you're probably thinking about work for AM signals- which when designed for a crystal receiver (using say 30% modulation, so you have a strong carrier) are not nearly as efficient as a modern waveform. Trying to use no-power receivers means you have to change the transmitters around- usually to much higher powers- and since the power scaling is multiplicative, if you need say, 10 dB more signal at the receive, you need 10dB more power at transmit. Not a lot when you're talking about a little couple hundred mW cellphone transmitter- but when the base station is already high power, it just gets silly.

      Another way of looking at it is, even if you got a passive receiver- what about transmit? A smartphone that isn't two way isn't much use. Generally speaking, the energy required to demodulate and receive the signal is much much less than what is needed to transmit. A good comparison might be to RFID- which use scavenged RF power to do the transmit back- and lab quality ones doing this are in the microwatts of input power range- a thousand times more than the nanowatts your cellphone uses. Imagine changing your 100W cell phone tower down the road to a 100KW transmitter- that's on the power level of an AM nationwide broadcast.

    25. Re:nice (an nitpick) by gr8_phk · · Score: 1

      It may not be possible at all to lower the power consuption of certain devices below a certain absolute threshold. No matter how advanced, a WiFi device has got to consume at least the power needed to reach other devices. A backlit screen will use at the very least the power it emits in light, etc...

      But you don't need WiFi all the time and there are non-backlit displays - which are improving but not ready for video yet. Other things like touch-screens will probably find a way to reduce power consumption when they become a larger percentage of battery drain - I have no idea where those stand today.

    26. Re:nice (an nitpick) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How much energy does a bioluminiscent fish consume?

      Definitely more than it emits in light. The laws of physics cannot be broken. Ever.

      Of course, there's another answer to the backlit screen claim: It makes the unspoken assumption that screens must be backlit (or more generally, light emitting). Maybe most screens of the future will be an advanced form of e-ink. You know, the thing which is used on many ebook readers, and which uses zero energy to provide a static image. Of course you still need light (and thus energy) to read it, but at least during the day this energy is provided by the sun for free (and right in the needed form, as visible light).

    27. Re:nice (an nitpick) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cellphones already consume less energy than a 5W lightbulb but are nowhere near as powerful as the MacDonald's-powered supercomputer inside our heads.

      I think you underestimate the computing power of modern cellphones (or, alternatively, overestimate the computing power of a human brain). The human brain is totally unimpressive when it comes to raw processing power (e.g. GFLOPS/s) or energy efficiency (e.g. performance per watt): where it IS impressive is in its absurd parallelism and its dynamic (self-programmable) nature.

      A brain is more of a transputer than a computer: it's a whole different computation paradigm and comparing the two (brain vs computer) is often like comparing apples to oranges.

      If our brains were REALLY much more powerful than computers, then why are we using computers for heavy-computation jobs, rather than just doing it all mentally?

    28. Re:nice (an nitpick) by Immerman · · Score: 1

      Not claiming my numbers are correct, I have no idea where I even heard them, but that study appears to be looking at average chess players - probably whichever random college students were willing to sign up for the study. I would suggest that the neural activity of such players during a game likely have as much in common with a world-class chess master as a bunch of random students walking to class have with a triathlete running a race.

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    29. Re:nice (an nitpick) by Immerman · · Score: 1

      Yes, but we're not talking about modeling the synapses, we're talking about producing a comparable amount of computation ability. Modeling the brain is analogous to making an emulator - and I'll invoke the old saw about how emulating an Atari 2800 required a pentium-class machine possessing an order of magnitude more raw horsepower because of it's specialized chips. Now consider the brain, which by comparison makes an Atari and x86 look essentially identical in comparison - it's a massively parallel array of hundreds of different types of neurons, each possessing a tiny amount of memory and computation power and an immense communication array (I believe the average is something upwards of 1000 connections each). All operating asynchronously with analogue processing. Emulating such hardware with clocked digital processors will likely take several orders of magnitude more processing power than the original and still only be a rough approximation.

      As for the millions of years of design improvements on the brain, no argument there; however, evolution is blind and extremely vulnerable to local maximums, and every brain on the planet is descended from one of only a small handful of basic architectures that were initially selected for their effectiveness in networks consisting of only a handful of neurons, if that. To optimize beyond the capability of those basic architectures would require discarding millions of years of optimization to start essentially from scratch, something I doubt any species could survive. Having a mind guiding the process makes such things possible.

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    30. Re:nice (an nitpick) by dargaud · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I once read the introduction to a "sport encyclopedia" where the author gave a long winded definition of what a sport is (mostly based on 'team' and 'opponent'). He concluded by saying that according to his definition, chess playing is a sport and mountain climbing isn't. As a mountain climber I had a big 'fuck you' for him: a sport is simply an activity that makes you sweat. A lot. And it's not because chess player stink under the arms that they fit _my_ definition.

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    31. Re:nice (an nitpick) by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      A backlit screen will use at the very least the power it emits in light, etcâ¦

      Yabut, what if you made a screen that only directed light at the viewer, instead of in all directions? Wouldn't that be much lower power (and arguably more secure for eavesdropping but one couldn't necessarily rely on that)?

      Since this whole thread is discussing not-invented-yet technology, who knows how it would work? Something similar to the cube corner reflectors, but aiming towards the eyes of the person currently viewing the screen?

    32. Re:nice (an nitpick) by tjb · · Score: 1

      You can still usefully transmit information below the noise floor - the shannon theorem is C = B*log2(S/N + 1). That +1 is very important when transmitting on extremely noisy channels.

      Transceiver design for that sort of channel is... challenging, but certainly possible.

  7. Sidestepping? by Riddler+Sensei · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I wouldn't say that Intel is sidestepping those problems because they're not THEIR problems to address.

    1. Re:Sidestepping? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I wouldn't say that Intel is sidestepping those problems because they're not THEIR problems to address."

      Proper use of "they're" and "their" one word apart in the same sentence.

      Am I really still on the internet, or does the matrix have me?

      Kudos to you, sir.

  8. I seriously doubt this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They will find a way to measure it.
    Besides, once you reach the point where improving processor efficiency leads to negligible improvements in overall power consumption, the focus will shift to improving the other components, and it won't be worth the cost to further improve the processor.

  9. Concept from Sci-Fi by Stiletto · · Score: 1

    Sounds like he's talking about "localizers". Probably similar stuff found in other books as well.

  10. Color e-ink. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm just waiting for color e-ink.
    Now _that_ will be some major change in everything.

    1. Re:Color e-ink. by cykros · · Score: 1

      Even better: Bio-luminiscent color e-ink, to remove the need to use as much power for a display that is yet still visible in the dark (though to be fair, there are some VERY energy-efficient booklights on the market which do the job well enough, even if a bit clunky). As for what kind of stimulus would be needed to trigger the bioluminescence, well, that's beyond my knowledge.

  11. I'm more optimistic by SoftwareArtist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yes, meaningful compute might approach zero energy — but touchscreens, displays, radios, speakers, cameras, audio processors, and other parts of the equation are all a long way away from being as advanced as Intel's semiconductor processes.

    I think the author misunderstood what "ubiquitous" means. It means you can put serious computing power anywhere, including in places that don't have displays, cameras, etc. He's just thinking, "How far can they reduce the power use of my existing smartphone?" The real question is, "What completely new types of devices become practical when computing requires hardly any power at all?"

    Also, the situation is better than he suggests. Bright, super high resolution LED or LCD displays take a lot of power, but eInk displays use hardly any power at all. That's why battery life is measured in hours for an iPad and in weeks for a Kindle. LTE radios use a lot of power, but 3G is fine for most applications, and even 2G is more than sufficient in many cases (not for web browsing, but for a device that just needs to exchange limited data with the outside world).

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    1. Re:I'm more optimistic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Counter point: I work in the utility industry, which is rolling out well over a million smart meters. (does that count as ubiquitous?)
      Each of these meters has a 3G cell phone to call home, to report meter readings & the like. 2G would be cheaper, but the cell companies can't promise that 2G wi be around for the life of the meter (under 10 years).
      Also take into account remote firmware updates, and 2G just won't cut it

    2. Re:I'm more optimistic by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      Smart meters have the advantage of being on-grid pretty much by definition. On-grid electricty is cheap.

      off-grid small scale electricity is far more expensive. You either use primary batteries (only practical for very low consumption levels) or you use rechargable batteries and try to find some way to recharge them (not cheap to set up).

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    3. Re:I'm more optimistic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There already exist microcontrollers that use less than a few uA of current.

      http://www.microchip.com/pagehandler/en-us/technology/xlp/

          * 30uA/MHz power usage
          * 9 nA sleep mode

      That is low power. That is 284mAh per year in sleep mode. Or less than 1000 mAh/year running at 1MHz.

    4. Re:I'm more optimistic by RightSaidFred99 · · Score: 0

      2G is fine for remote firmware updates unless you need _instant_ remote firmware updates or your firmware is 2 gigs of data.

    5. Re:I'm more optimistic by Kjella · · Score: 1

      I think the author misunderstood what "ubiquitous" means. It means you can put serious computing power anywhere, including in places that don't have displays, cameras, etc. He's just thinking, "How far can they reduce the power use of my existing smartphone?" The real question is, "What completely new types of devices become practical when computing requires hardly any power at all?"

      Well, as a counterpoint I would say we could have turned everything connected to the AC grid into "smart" devices already, but despite many, many house of the future concepts pretty much everything I see in stores is regular old dumb devices anyway. So yes maybe with extremely low power we could turn everything into a "smart" device, but I still have my doubts that we actually will.

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    6. Re:I'm more optimistic by gbjbaanb · · Score: 1

      +1. TFA shows an image with power consumption moving from Mainframe through mobile to "ubiquitous" computing - ie they are just working on ever smaller, energy efficient chips that are underpowered.

      It does not mean your mainframe will suddenly be able to run your .NET GUI applications over the cloud using the latest SOAP protocols without using energy, but instead tiny devices will be providing tiny bits of data with limited processing capabilities. In many respects, this is exactly what we need for a huge range of computing tasks. so my spectacles could have a tiny chip in them to give me notification popups on a HUD, but I'd probably need something bigger (eg my mobile) to actually read the mail, and something bigger still to view the attached powerpoint.

    7. Re:I'm more optimistic by evilviper · · Score: 1

      Try playing a video on your e Ink display, and let me know how that works out for you.

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  12. Humans are expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "touchscreens, displays, radios, speakers, cameras, audio processors"... i.e., things humans require to exchange information.

    Meanwhile, the things computers need to exchange information remain cheap.

    When bio-brains are more expensive than other, more powerful brains, things do not bode well for hu-mans!

  13. Surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The reading comprehension ability of most /. editors is such that I am surprised the headline wasn't "Zero-point Energy Powered Computers Nearly Here"

  14. Near zero energy cost == singularity by greg_barton · · Score: 2

    When people think of the limits of strong AI (if they do at all) they generally focus on how complex it must be to create.

    Complexity, however, is not the limiting factor. It is the fact that existing computers, compared to the brain, are energy hogs of epic proportions. The brain's energy use is on the order of millions of times more efficient than even the most power stingy CPU. Even of we knew how to accomplish strong AI we couldn't power the computer capable of supporting it.

    That is, however, unless Intel reaches it's goals.

    1. Re:Near zero energy cost == singularity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bullshit? Aren't basic super computers (pick any from the Top 500) massively better than estimates for human computation? Isn't there consumption measured in the kilowatts/low megawatts? Total US power production is in the gigawatts. You are off by several orders of magnitude.

    2. Re:Near zero energy cost == singularity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Our brains are very similar to other animals. I wonder how much of our brain is tasked with doing things that we really don't NEED strong AI to be doing - for example walking around, breathing, regulating our stomachs, sensing what's touching our skin, smelling things, survival reflexes. I wouldn't be surprised if what we consider to be "higher thinking" is really only done by a small proportion of our brain and is only consuming a small proportion of the total energy of the brain. If it is 0.1%, you could cut off 3 orders of magnitude from your estimate, though it might also be 10%, I don't actually know. Does anyone know? I'd be happy with a computer that computes at 1/1000 speed of a human as long as it was as smart as a human. That could be a factor of a million in power consumption right there. Also, I'd be happy with an AI that consumed a MW of power, which gives you, what another 10^5? I think power consumption is simply not relevant at all to the issue of creating strong AI - it is only relevant if you want to put one of those in every pocket or something like that. The issue is what algorithm you make the AI with. If I had to guess, I think that we have far more than enough computation power available to support strong AI, we just don't have the software.

    3. Re:Near zero energy cost == singularity by greg_barton · · Score: 1

      How can one have common sense without experiencing the common?

      And we certainly don't have the software. What I'm saying is that even if we did we couldn't run it. But maybe once our computers are power stingy enough we will be able to.

  15. Reversible Computing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    According to Ray Kurzweil, reversible computing can consume essentially zero energy.

    1. Re:Reversible Computing by hajus · · Score: 1

      I've been following Kurzweil for years, and I've familiar with reversible computing, but I've never heard of him commenting on that topic. His arguments mostly stem from exponential growth of power. Citation? I'd like to read his words.

  16. Like it isn't already ubiquitous by kilodelta · · Score: 1

    If I cast a net 10 feet around me I have 9 devices with CPU's in them. Only two of them are full up computers. Another two are smartphone. So the other five are my amateur radio gear, cable box, Wii, Xbox and TV.

    Interestingly the kitchen and dining room are the only areas with the fewest CPU's in it. The office has a half dozen ATMega's as Arduino platforms, a TI Chronos Watch, Stellaris Robot, MPS430, and the oddest of all the CPU in the Western Electric 1D2 pay phone I own.

    1. Re:Like it isn't already ubiquitous by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 1

      you might want to check the kitchen again your oven might have one if it is digital, your microwave probably has one. hell my blender has one. they may be crappy 8 bit ones but they are cpu's. (then you have got your FreeBSD toster)

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  17. Thermodynamics by tsotha · · Score: 1

    Aren't there some fundamental physical limits on how low your energy usage can be for a given amount of information based on thermodynamics? Is it just the case that they're way, way less than what we're using now?

    1. Re:Thermodynamics by gotfork · · Score: 4, Informative

      Aren't there some fundamental physical limits on how low your energy usage can be for a given amount of information based on thermodynamics? Is it just the case that they're way, way less than what we're using now?

      For any sort of data storage the energy barrier between the two states needs to be large enough that the system doesn't thermodynamically fluctuate between them very often. In practice, this means that the barrier needs to be several times larger than kb*T where kb is the boltzman constant. For computation there's not any hard and fast rule about the energy required, but there's lots of practical ones...

    2. Re:Thermodynamics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    3. Re:Thermodynamics by TeknoHog · · Score: 2

      For any sort of data storage the energy barrier between the two states needs to be large enough that the system doesn't thermodynamically fluctuate between them very often. In practice, this means that the barrier needs to be several times larger than kb*T where kb is the boltzman constant. For computation there's not any hard and fast rule about the energy required, but there's lots of practical ones...

      Actually, there is a very similar limit for computation. In most of our computing, we destroy a lot of information, and thus entropy is created. For example, adding two 64-bit numbers to produce a third one -- you've just lost 64 bits of information. For each bit lost, you generate about kb*T of heat.

      The general idea to counter this problem is called reversible computing, but I'm not sure how it would work in practice, as you'd have to store a lot of useless information.

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  18. Zero energy consumption... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I predict zero energy consuming *everything* by 2020, since all the lights and energy production is going to collapse by then anyway.

    Well, I guess you could count burning wood in fireplaces to stay warm after the zombie apocalypse as energy consumption, eh?

    1. Re:Zero energy consumption... by rrohbeck · · Score: 1

      Well you can always use Solar or one of these.

    2. Re:Zero energy consumption... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sure it works, but who wants to carry wood with them when backpacking? In my part of the world, it's illegal to collect wood for fires. And during some parts of the year it's illegal to have a fire at all.

  19. Glasses by Dan+East · · Score: 2

    Regarding energy requirements for a display and touchscreen, those are both greatly reduced with glasses (which, owing to their small size, are also the devices for which low power consumption is most important). Glasses are much closer to the eye, and ideally can direct the light directly to the eye. Modern displays are designed for maximum angle of visibility - they spew light over 180 degrees, on purpose, so they can be viewed from almost any angle. They are inefficient by design. So glasses can use much, much less power for display because they can be optimized in a number of ways.

    Obviously glasses cannot make use touchscreens either, but instead use voice input, accelerometers, etc, which are hardware that require very little power.

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  20. I call marketing BS by rrohbeck · · Score: 1

    Cutting down power consumption by some factor == "Almost zero"?
    This reduction in power will easily be made up for by more and bigger applications.
    I think this is a shot against ARM. If anybody should talk about low power computing it's them. ARM with new tech like 22nm 3D multi-gate transistors will be *really* low power. Not Haswell & co.

    1. Re:I call marketing BS by RightSaidFred99 · · Score: 0

      Only, well, ARM doesn't have that tech and won't for years. Intel owns the low power future because it's mostly about manufacturing technology, and they have it.

    2. Re:I call marketing BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What the heck...

      ARM licenses their designs to whoever wants to build the chips. So if you are a manufacturer that has the manufacturing technology you speak of, you license the ARM core and build away.

    3. Re:I call marketing BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the point you seem to have missed is that only Intel has that technology. They have a massive lead in manufacturing over the rest of the industry and while I don't know the future, I feel comfortable stating that chances are they're working very hard to maintain and even increase it.

    4. Re:I call marketing BS by rrohbeck · · Score: 1

      Others are only a couple of months behind. TSMC and GloFo are working furiously on their new processes.

    5. Re:I call marketing BS by RightSaidFred99 · · Score: 0

      Oh bullshit. TSMC and GloGo are at least 2 years behind, and closer to 3 or 4. Don't let their useless half nodes fool you.

  21. well by Charliemopps · · Score: 1

    There are plenty of alternatives to audio and video that use very little power. The kindles e-ink screen for example... there's progress in delivering audio directly to the skeletal structure of your head, therefor using far less power. Wifi, GPS and cellular signals are where the real problems lay.

  22. I thought that it could be theoretically computed by mark-t · · Score: 2
    What the minimum amount of energy to perform a calculation was. I forget where I saw it, but I seem to remember it having to do with an equivalence of energy to information, which is to say that a certain (non-whole) number of bits could be represented per unit of energy. A minimum amount of energy it would require to reliably change a single bit can be reasonably be derived from this. Using a turing machine to model a calculation and counting the cycles that it takes to complete, you could then calculate the minimum amount of energy needed to perform that calculation.

    Although for trivial operations, the energy requirements are absurdly tiny fractions of a joule, I might suggest that for modern complex computing that we perform today, those minimum energy requirements aren't going to be anywhere as near to zero as they expect.

    The only way it will really "approach" zero, is if we start demanding less from computing devices. This may be happening in some areas already, but I wouldn't say it's a ubiquitous phenomenon.

  23. Let's be pedantic by symbolset · · Score: 1

    Computation is zero energy, for sufficient values of zero.

    Since the energy inputs and outputs of digital computation are necessarily equal for all forms of computation not involving fission, fusion, zero-point energy, quantum teleportation, black holes and other such esoteric things in the computation process, yes, computation is zero energy. I would wager that the entire amount of energy created or destroyed in the process of computation by humans in all of history wouldn't amount to an entire Joule.

    Computation does now require converting energy from electrical energy format to thermal energy format though. Since quite a lot of electrical energy is used to create thermal energy in the regular course of business naturally this means that peak computation electrical energy efficiency can be improved not just by increasing the computations per KWh but also by putting the computation in the place where you wanted the thermal energy anyway, or using the thermal energy once you have it for some other purpose. That way you get to use the same watt twice at no additional cost. Fortunately Intel is already on this one too.

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    1. Re:Let's be pedantic by grep_rocks · · Score: 1

      A plausable limit to computation per unit power could be derived from looking at biological systems, the human brain is estimated to be capable of 100 Million MIPS based on comparisons between the human retena and computer systems emulating that behavior the if the energy consumption of the brain is 100W then it is about 1 Million MIPS/watt would be a good measure of entitlement

  24. When you say "zero" by Hatta · · Score: 4, Informative

    You don't really mean zero. There is a fundamental minimum amount of energy it takes to do a calculation. When Intel says "almost zero energy computing" how far over this limit are they actually talking about? 101% of the Landauer limit? 200%? 1000%?

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    1. Re:When you say "zero" by MyLongNickName · · Score: 1

      Well, considering:

      "Theoretically, roomtemperature computer memory operating at the Landauer limit could be changed at a rate of one billion bits per second with only 2.85 trillionths of a watt of power being expended in the memory media."

      Even if we approached 1 million percent of the fundamental minimum, we'd be doing pretty well.

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    2. Re:When you say "zero" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Neat! I didn't know about such an idea before, thanks for sharing. Time for some napkin math.

      If DDR3 can do 12,800 MB/s, we're talking in the neighborhood of 13,421,772,800 bits per second, we're in the 10e-12 neighborhood of kilowatt hours. Even if they're a million or a billion times worse than this (and you're considering CPU local cache is even a thousand times faster further), it's gonna be super cheat, less than 1 KWH -- typically $0.08 cents per kilowatt hour here in the US. I'm not sure how many other bits have to get toggled for that memory to have changed (local caches, busses), but at this point it'd be worth it to compute the waste-heat from the resistance in the wiring in the motherboard.

      The real question is, what will this do to BITCOIN?????

    3. Re:When you say "zero" by Namarrgon · · Score: 1

      Then again, there's a lot of interest in reversible computing, which sidesteps Laundauer's limit to some extent.

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    4. Re:When you say "zero" by godrik · · Score: 1

      of course there is a lower bound to the energy you need. But low energy enough that body heat or ambient temperature powers it is close to zero enough for me. That is what they are talking about: so low that the actual value does not matter.

    5. Re:When you say "zero" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed, although you strictly need infinite energy for it to work as erasure always incurs a thermodynamic cost.

    6. Re:When you say "zero" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The real question is, what will this do to BITCOIN?????

      Nothing (directly), since it doesn't speed up computation, it just lowers energy usage.

    7. Re:When you say "zero" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless your computers are for one-time use only, you will eventually have to destroy the information, because otherwise it will soon fill up all your memory.

  25. Who forgets history is condemned to repeat it by Tijaska · · Score: 1

    When John von Neumann and his colleagues announced the world's first general purpose programmable vacuum tube computer he was asked how many the world might need, and guessed about 24. He was right and he was wrong. 24 of those machines would have handled most of the serious number crunching then taking place. But the machines brought about a radical reduction in the cost of computing, and demand exploded.

  26. run on zero energy by rossdee · · Score: 0

    In other news, the next republican administration has plans to repeal the Laws of Thermodynamics.

    1. Re:run on zero energy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean, the conservatives will repeal conservation of energy?

  27. Jevons paradox says by doug141 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    this may cause an increase in energy used for computations. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jevons_paradox

    1. Re:Jevons paradox says by BlackPignouf · · Score: 2

      Exactly my thought:

      Look! Those glasses only use 0.1 Watt for computing, that's almost-zero-energy-we-re-gonna-save-the-world-with-our-super-green-glasses!
      Guess what? If those cool but kinda useless devices didn't exist yesterday, you didn't exactly save energy.

    2. Re:Jevons paradox says by HungryHobo · · Score: 1

      unless their presence allows someone to save energy in some other way.

      if the map in your glasses mean you don't take a wrong turn and end up having to drive 15 minutes back then they've just saved lots of energy.

      if the cell phone you carry allows you to call the delivery guy and let him know the order has been cancelled before he gets somewhere with a landline then you've just saved the energy cost of moving a truck miles.

      if that computer system in the warehouse tracks items better than a human operator then you've just saved the energy that would have been wasted when the paperwork for a pallet full of stock is lost and it goes bad before anyone notices.

      that video link and high bandwidth connection may take a bit of energy but if it means one engineer doesn't need to catch a plane out to fix a problem in a factory somewhere then it's energy cost gets paid back a hundred times over.

      a Google search uses just about the same amount of energy that your body burns in ten seconds but if you save a trip to the library or avoid a pitfall in some project as a result it can save a massive amount of energy overall.
      http://googleblog.blogspot.co.uk/2009/01/powering-google-search.html#!/2009/01/powering-google-search.html

  28. Heating homes via computers by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 1

    "Since quite a lot of electrical energy is used to create thermal energy in the regular course of business naturally this means that peak computation electrical energy efficiency can be improved not just by increasing the computations per KWh but also by putting the computation in the place where you wanted the thermal energy anyway, or using the thermal energy once you have it for some other purpose. That way you get to use the same watt twice at no additional cost."

    A related idea I had:
    http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2344998&cid=36859662
    "(I'll give away an idea here as a patent-preventing disclosure that I've been hoarding. :-) You could have this or any other local industrial process be thermostat controlled (or predictively controlled, or timer controlled, or some combination), so if your house or facility needs more heat you run the process; and if your building is hot enough for your needs, you don't run it, thus using local industrial-like processes to regulate your homes climate. For processes that absorb heat you could do the inverse for air conditioning. You can do that with networked computers too, so if you need heat you do local computation for the network, if you don't need heat, you shut those processors down. Special processor units or industrial process units for various purposes could be designed to replace regular electric baseboard heaters or central furnaces. So, essentially, industry is running for no extra energy charge where people use electricity to heat, and it runs at a subsidy where people use currently cheaper ways to heat like oil or gas or wood. And sometimes you might want to produce stuff anyway, and so you would need to dump the waste heat or use it in some other way or store it in some thermal storage system like a water mass or sand mass or phase changing salts or other such system, with the stored heat being used as part of the thermoregulatory planning. Of course, if you insulated your home well, you might not need a furnace, so there are economic limits to this idea as people improve their infrastructure in other ways...)
            This would totally change how agriculture was done. Instead of having lunar moonscapes like Iowa is part of the year, people would just produce their own agricultural liquids in neighborhood facilities or at home, using the local waste heat for other purposes as well. Most agricultural lands could be returned to wilderness. The total energy bill for a home might not go up very much using the above idea for thermostatic regulation. "

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    1. Re:Heating homes via computers by symbolset · · Score: 2

      You should probably patent that.

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    2. Re:Heating homes via computers by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 1

      Too late. :-) But it has been disclosed so that others can not patent it.

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    3. Re:Heating homes via computers by WillAdams · · Score: 1

      Interesting. This also ties in nicely to the problem of waste heat from human technology being a bounding limit --- see ``Exponential Economist Meets Finite Physicist'':

      http://physics.ucsd.edu/do-the-math/2012/04/economist-meets-physicist/

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  29. Think orders of magnitude... by Esteanil · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Smaller. Smaller. Smaller.

    Smart Dust, is what we're talking about - or at least the early iterations.

    Weather sensors that flutter in the breeze and scavenge enough energy to remain active and transmitting at most times - and the swarm *always* transmits.
    Flow control sensors that oil companies continually release into their pipelines to ensure that if there's a leak they'll know where it is in milliseconds - there's transmitting sensors outside the approved geometric area.
    Microscopic "Sniffers" released into the wind, measuring and reporting the amounts of cannabis, cocaine, explosives, dangerous chemicals...
    Sensors to detect fire. Sensors to find out if the gas tank in that burning building is leaking at all. Just point into an air current (strong fan or wind) and let them fly from your hands.
    *True* microsatellites, measured in single-digit centimetres or even smaller. (I think there's a minimum useful size for a satellite, but it's greatly related to how many of them there are, also... You could have a continual swarm reaching through the low-energy planetary transfer network keeping in contact with quite small satellites in a mesh radio network).

    Making Smart Dust *safe* might turn out to be more of a challenge, though... :-)

    But "really-really-low-power computing"... Alongside bio/nano-tech convergence it's the beginning of the real microbots:
    Invisible cameras, as a perfect 3D image of your head emerges from the small swarm of the tiniest insects you've seen hover around your head.
    Robots navigating through your bloodstream, tiny as hell - yet you've somehow ended up with the processing equivalent of your (2012) mobile phone coursing through your veins and working on any health problems you have (mostly by monitoring, at least at first).

    I'm sure you guys can come up with more stuff. Please reply if you've got any ideas :-)

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    1. Re:Think orders of magnitude... by Esteanil · · Score: 1

      Small correction: The Interplanetary Transport Network, not the low-energy planetary transfer network :-)
      Bit tired now, good night folks.

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    2. Re:Think orders of magnitude... by davester666 · · Score: 1

      Hilarious.

      1. Technology like this will first be used for surveillance by the gov't, because the drones they want to use now are too noticeable. It also might accidentally go places where they can't legally go, such as in your home ["but your Honor, we can't control that the defendant left his window open and some of our VideoDust happened to blow in and record his drug deal"]

      2. There will always be better idiots. Like Enbridge's Michigan oil spill, where an alarm went off [hello, we have an oil spill], and the operators instead noticed that the pressure in the line was going down [also an excellent hint that there is an oil leak], but came to the decision that they should pump more oil into the line faster, to get the pressure back up.

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    3. Re:Think orders of magnitude... by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      Cars. With this tech you could have the car covered in micro-sensors that would send info that would allow the car to constantly adjust everything from how much air is in the tires to how tight the shocks are, all to give the car maximum mileage and safety.

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    4. Re:Think orders of magnitude... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Even if you ignore the complexity of the sensor system (which is supposed to be self-managing anyway) there is still the complexity of the rest of the system to be considered. The only production vehicle I'm aware of which has been sold with tire inflation any time recently is the H1. Very few vehicles have active damping. We have the technology to monitor and adjust those things in realtime now, and furthermore, sensing is not the problem. The actuators and their associated hardware are.

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    5. Re:Think orders of magnitude... by morgauxo · · Score: 1

      Now if you can just get that computer-brain interface perfected you could have smart dust that makes one see things when inhaled. Oh.. wait.. I see what you are really after here!

    6. Re:Think orders of magnitude... by morgauxo · · Score: 1

      Why would they bother? Do they even have to pretend they tried to follow the law any more when it comes to surveillance?

  30. Overflow? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Their next few chips will consume so much energy that the energy counter to will overflow. I hope it's signed, then we can get some free energy until the exploit is fixed.

  31. They should patent that idea by Tony+Isaac · · Score: 1

    Never mind that they haven't done it yet, or that the idea may be just pie in the sky. They had the idea first, so they should patent it. That way, if by some miracle somebody does do it one day, they can sue the pants off of them. That seems to be the way things are done these days.

    1. Re:They should patent that idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There exists prior art in the form of ARM cpus.

    2. Re:They should patent that idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, all you have to do to have your point of view is myopically ignore reality and replace it with your own preconceptions based on information gathered by participating in echo chamber discussions that similarly ignore reality.

      It's really super advanced ignorance. You should explain why you're smarter than everyone else for having that opinion, as well. It's important to season your ignorance with arrogance.

  32. Oculus Rift? by DarwinSurvivor · · Score: 1

    Why would the Oculus Rift need this type of low power consumption? They do know it gets "plugged in" right?

  33. Battery life declining by Animats · · Score: 1

    Then how come the newer iPhones have worse battery life than the old ones?

    1. Re:Battery life declining by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They went with ARM instead of Intel.

  34. Re:I thought that it could be theoretically comput by TuringTest · · Score: 1

    You wouldn't use a Turing machine to model the minimum energy need of calculations, as they are woefully inefficient; in the same way that you wouldn't model addition representing the naturals through the Successor function.

    The Turing machine was (is) a reasonably good tool to create proofs for the existence (or nonexistence) of computations, as it provides a quite simple and general computation model, easy to work symbolically with. But near the minimum use of resources, it isn't.

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  35. Re:I thought that it could be theoretically comput by Kjella · · Score: 1

    A minimum amount of energy it would require to reliably change a single bit can be reasonably be derived from this. Although for trivial operations, the energy requirements are absurdly tiny fractions of a joule, I might suggest that for modern complex computing that we perform today, those minimum energy requirements aren't going to be anywhere as near to zero as they expect.

    It's the Landauer's principle but it's an extremely low limit. To quote WP:

    At 25C (room temperature, or 298.15 kelvins), the Landauer limit represents an energy of approximately 0.0178 eV, or 2.85 zJ. Theoretically, room-temperature computer memory operating at the Landauer limit could be changed at a rate of one billion bits per second with only 2.85 trillionths of a watt of power being expended in the memory media.

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  36. Tesla Energy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How much Tesla Energy, electricity harvested from background could be produced and how does this compare the consumption requirements, to drive micro circuits.

  37. Low energy != ubiquitous by fa2k · · Score: 1

    It doesn't follow that computing becomes ubiquitous when the energy use goes to zero. What's missing is the *price* of the chips. It's not like it's going to be magically cheaper to make a low-power i7 than to make the current one. In fact, even with the current power usage, you could stick an ARM chip in almost anything and have it do useful calculations. I mean, it's not the *power* that prevents us from having internet-connected light switches, locks, smoke alarms etc. now. You could have "the internet of things" making a comeback, now that we have the address space. The "thing" is either going to be hooked up to Ethernet, in which case power is not an issue (PoE), or it's going to be limited by the power use of a radio.

  38. Needs Abiabatic Logic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's a circuit family called "adiabatic logic," which could be used to create ultra-low-energy chips. The problem is that they're slow, which won't be a problem in 2020 because they'll be fast enough by then. There are other challenges, which have kept these chips out of industry. I really don't think we'll see them by 2020.

  39. Almost zero-energy is when the robots take over by jrincayc · · Score: 1

    About the only advantage that neurons have over transisters is energy consumption. Compare the amount of energy that a computer takes that is computationally equivelent to a human (20 watts versus millions of watts): http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=computers-vs-brains

  40. Ready for cyborg implants by Khashishi · · Score: 1

    One of the difficulties of implantable cyberware is supplying power to the devices. There are ways of harnessing energy from glucose within the body, but these are limited to something like microwatts. If "Almost Zero" means less than a few microwatts, then maybe we can start seeing some implanted computers for medical purposes.

  41. Re:Almost? (4 GHz Pentium X) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the year twenty-twenty, a computer will churn one EFLOPS (using a million cores) and consume only 100 megawatts of energy, and it will cost less than a gigabuck.