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Cameras To Watch Cameras In Maryland

Cornwallis writes in with a story reminding cameras everywhere that just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't watching you. "Many people find speed cameras frustrating, and some in the region are taking their rage out on the cameras themselves. But now there's a new solution: cameras to watch the cameras. One is already in place, and Prince George's County Police Maj. Robert V. Liberati hopes to have up to a dozen more before the end of the year. 'It's not worth going to jail over a $40 ticket or an arson or destruction of property charge,' says Liberati."

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  1. um... by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 5, Funny

    That's a race condition if I ever saw one...

    1. Re:um... by MitchDev · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Or wear masks. Dith the camera, we're sick of Big Brother. We're disgusted with the Police State America is descending in to. The terrorists won. There hasn't been a major terrorist attack on US soil since 9/11. Because of DHS and/or the TSA? No. The terrorists achieved their goal on 9/11, for the past 11 years they've been laughing as America destroys itself over that one day of attacks...

    2. Re:um... by Blue+Stone · · Score: 3, Funny

      One possible future: two giant cameras watching each other.

      (While everybody goes goes about their lives, unhindered).

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    3. Re:um... by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Maybe dress up in your best black ninja gear...out of a car parked out of range...and use some nice, super high powered hand held lasers, and burn out the CCD's on the cameras...?

      Not that I've given any thought to this in the past...or.....anything....

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    4. Re:um... by BlueStrat · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The sad part is, these people, will pass blame for their actions onto the government, rather than taking responsibility for what they've done, and feel completely justified in doing so. The response to this will be the government putting up more cameras...

      Well, the blame IS largely on the government, as often these camera programs are slipped in "under the radar", so to speak, as most city/county councils/governments are aware that in many cases most of the constituents are against them. Also to blame are judges that are fine with witnesses that can't be cross-examined (the camera) used to "prove" guilt.

      Maybe these camera-snipers would be more effective if they changed targeting priorities to the government officials responsible for pushing these programs and accepting them as legal proof of guilt, if they refuse to listen to their constituents when they object to Big Brother style surveillance? The camera system makers/contractors and the Feds are throwing a lot of gold at these officials to adopt camera surveillance and enforcement systems, so lacking gold, maybe the populace should throw hot lead instead?

      Thomas Jefferson and his contemporaries knew that government, despite their best efforts to keep it in check, would grab more and more power and confiscate ever more of the people's wealth. They envisioned the citizens rising up using the 2nd Amendment and forcibly "downsizing" the government every few decades. According to TJ and his buddies, we've been slacking at decorating the trees in the town square and downtown D.C. with government officials swinging by their necks at the end of a rope.

      Just sayin'...

      Strat

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    5. Re:um... by grantspassalan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Nobody needs to get violent. There still is this thing called a ballot box. Anyone who has voted for an incumbent official no matter where or when is part of the problem. Don't hang the unresponsive officials, but just vote them out and let them get a real job in the private economy, if they can find one.

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  2. Excellent! by rastoboy29 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is obviously the right way for our society to go.

  3. Except... by rwven · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There's no possible way someone would think of destroying the camera-observing-camera BEFORE the speed camera.

    Then you end up with TWO broken cameras, and didn't accomplish anything.

    1. Re:Except... by metalgamer84 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Common sense never seems to be a factor in these "bright ideas" that some panel of people came up with. Wasting money is what they do best, fixing problems is the least of their concerns.

  4. The proper way to handle speed cameras by jrmcferren · · Score: 4, Informative

    Simply burn them. Here are burnt Gatsos in the UK: http://www.speedcam.co.uk/gatso2.htm

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  5. In Soviet Russia... by Guano_Jim · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...camera watches camera!

    In the United States, it's the other way around.

  6. Re:But... by Megahard · · Score: 3, Funny

    It's cameras all the way down.

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  7. Gee, that really increases the difficulty by oic0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If anyone sees you destroying the thing you're going to get in trouble anyway, so we are assuming the people are doing it when no one is around. In which case, wear a mask, park where the thing cant see your car, and walk right on up to it lol.

  8. First of all by king+neckbeard · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The camera watching cameras are an easy target, and I don't think people really buy the safety crap anymore. Its a money making teacher and we all know it

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  9. get rid of all the cameras by Dan667 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    getting rid of revenue cameras would be easier instead of watching Americans like paranoid communists.

  10. Re:But... by dmacleod808 · · Score: 3, Funny

    hey man, we heard you like cameras, so we put a camera on your camera.

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  11. Re:But... by kilfarsnar · · Score: 4, Funny

    Who watches the cameras that watches cameras?

    Voyeurs and Xzibitionists.

    Yo dawg! We heard you like cameras. So we put a camera on your camera, so your camera can watch your camera!

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  12. Re:But... by DJRumpy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I would have to agree that you are putting way too much faith in us. I used to work at Mobile before it merged with Exxon, and it was right off the interstate. It was fairly common for bullets to hit the glass as high as the 14th floor.

    People love to shoot at things that irritate them, and these cameras are nothing more than revenue machines.

    "It costs us $30,000 to $100,000 to replace a camera. That's a significant loss in the program. Plus it also takes a camera off the street that operates and slows people down. So there's a loss of safety for the community," says Liberati

    Considering far too many of these speed cameras and the associated street lights they monitor, have been caught shortening yellow light times beyond federal standards to 'catch' people running the light, I would question their motives.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6he1M5wexic

  13. Re:Good. by kilfarsnar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The law is the law, and if the speed limit is 55 or 60 inside Baltimore City then that's what the drivers should be doing. If they find that objectionable rather than destroy the cameras, they should be lobbying to have the speed increased to 65.

    Except that my observation is that almost everyone wants to drive above the speed limit. If almost everyone wants to do something, should it be illegal? Perhaps yes, but I think it's a good question to ask.

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  14. Re:But... by Ambvai · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's cameras all the way down?

  15. Re:But... by EdIII · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It can more simple than that.

    RC Helicopter. Just create a payload with a strong magnet. Fly by, stick it to the camera, and detonate. Small controlled explosion with no collateral damage. Even better, just design something to block the camera itself. Sticks on and is passive. No damage to anything.

    What about high powered lasers? Cameras can't be watching everywhere. Set a laser up to hit the camera over a longer period of time and it will be slow damage, but ultimately very effective. Has an added bonus that anybody caught while the camera was an impaired can effectively argue against the ticket due to the damage.

    I'm all for civil disobedience and the destruction of these cameras, but that's not an excuse to break out the ol' RPG.

    What would be the optimal solution is actual mass protests. Have real human beings blocking cameras and sensors with their own bodies. That stops the cameras from functioning and has the added benefit of a quite visible protest.

  16. Re:Who watches the watchers? by crakbone · · Score: 3, Insightful

    An automatic speed bump would work with an instant penalty be easier to setup, cheaper, and would not need you to go down to a courthouse to contest. Do you really want to trust the safety of your children to a company that gets paid more if you go past the speed camera?

  17. Re:But... by ahem · · Score: 4, Funny

    I think he was actually saying that many folks are wearing incorrectly sized leiderhosen.

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  18. Infinite Recursion by Slashdot+Parent · · Score: 4, Funny

    That's a race condition if I ever saw one...

    Sounds more like an infinite recursion, if you ask me:

    installMonitoringCamera(Camera cameraToMonitor) {
            Camera monitoringCamera = new Camera(cameraToMonitor);
            monitoringCamera.monitor();

            if(monitoringCamera.observesSomeAssholeSettingFireToMonitoredCamera())
                    installMonitoringCamera(monitoringCamera);
    }

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  19. Re:Blind the camera by nschubach · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Besides... do you think they'd show everyone how to defeat a law enforcement device?

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  20. Police Brutality Cameras to Follow by ohnocitizen · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Many police officers find civil liberties frustrating, and some officers take out their rage on citizens. But now there's a new solution: cameras to watch the police.