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Google Bans Online Anonymity While Patenting It

theodp writes "'It's important to use your common name,' Google explains in its Google+ ground rules, 'so that the people you want to connect with can find you.' Using a 'secondary online identity,' the search giant adds, is a big Google+ no-no. 'There are lots of places where you can be anonymous online,' Betanews' Joe Wilcox notes. 'Google+ isn't one of them.' Got it. But if online anonymity is so evil, then what's the deal with Google's newly-awarded patent for Social Computing Personas for Protecting Identity in Online Social Interactions? 'When users reveal their identities on the internet,' Google explained to the USPTO in its patent application, 'it leaves them more vulnerable to stalking, identity theft and harassment.' So what's Google's solution? Providing anonymity to social networking users via an 'alter ego' and/or 'anonymous identity.' So does Google now believe that there's a genuine 'risk of disclosing a user's real identity'? Or is this just a case of Google's left hand not knowing what its right hand is patenting?"

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  1. Prior Art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I claim it.

    1. Re:Prior Art by bug1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Prior art: Yahoo lets you create a separate identity and avatar for commenting on news stories. This identity is separate from my real identity which is reserved for sending emails.

      Which their deep packet inspection is perfectly capable of monitoring.

      Its difficult to be anonymous to the the government, much harder to be anonymous to the corporation.

      But given those limits, the corporations could allow us to be anonymous to each other, but whats the point, its corporations and government that have all the power in society.

  2. Oh, Google is fine with anonymity... by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...so long as they alone know who they really are so the data aggregated goes in the right buckets.

    Nothing's stopping Google+ from offering a secondary ID you can become, while Google still knows who you are.

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    1. Re:Oh, Google is fine with anonymity... by bedroll · · Score: 3, Informative

      Nothing's stopping Google+ from offering a secondary ID you can become, while Google still knows who you are.

      A brief read of the patent tells me that this is exactly what Google has patented. It's a system in which a single identity can be used to generate anonymous secondary ones. In that case, Google, and anyone able to subpoena them, would know who the anonymous secondary identity is but third parties wouldn't be privy to the link between accounts.

    2. Re:Oh, Google is fine with anonymity... by Khyber · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "In that case, Google, and anyone able to subpoena them, would know who the anonymous secondary identity is but third parties wouldn't be privy to the link between accounts."

      You don't know what public records are, do you?

      Look up the court case. Filings will be made as to proof of the owner of the 'anonymous' identity for purposes of proper serving of subpoenas and warrants for arrests.

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    3. Re:Oh, Google is fine with anonymity... by denis-The-menace · · Score: 3, Funny

      This way, when you commit a thought crime they know that it's you and not someone who got your password.

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    4. Re:Oh, Google is fine with anonymity... by CanHasDIY · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ...so long as they alone know who they really are so the data aggregated goes in the right buckets.

      Nothing's stopping Google+ from offering a secondary ID you can become, while Google still knows who you are.

      Except for people like me who would leave if we had to interact with "MonkeyFucker-69" and the rest of their ilk. Some of us like the higher level of civility that results from real names.

      From my experience, anonymity has little to nothing to do with civility; I used to regularly post commentary on the website of my local (Gannett-owned) newspaper. Recently, they (as required by Gannett) went from an anonymous, PHPbb based system to linking comments to Facebook profiles - they, too, claimed that it would lead to "increased civility." however, this has been anything but the case. Sure, there are less vitriolic comments, but that's not because people are being less uncivil, but rather a side effect of the push for real names driving many, many of the regulars from the site, myself included.

      Adjusted for volume, the amount of hatefulness on said newspaper forum hasn't gone down one bit, and I would wager that acts of incivility have increased a fair amount. The only 'advantage' to people being forced to use their real names is that if they piss another person off, that person now knows who's house to firebomb.

      Not a feature I would tout.

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    5. Re:Oh, Google is fine with anonymity... by cpu6502 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      >>>Some of us like the higher level of civility that results from real names.

      Unfortunately multiple studies have shown using Real names doesn't make conversations more civilized. It just invites more revenge scenarios from those who feel insulted & strike back in real life. So real names actually make things worse.

      Anonymity is also important for one's longterm sanity. Nothing sucks more than to have an employee dig-up an old postings from 1990-something and say, "Do you really feel Michael Jackson should have been castrated for his abuse of children? I'm sorry but we can't hire such a vocal person. You would be a liability for our company."

      A worse scenario is if the government comes after you because they think you might be a terrorist. "What did you mean when you posted in 1997 that you think Clinton should be shot for raping Monica Lewinsky?" - Remember a guy just recently spent 4 nights in jail for saying things far less damaging on non-anonymous facebook. Anonymity goes as far back as the Founders who posted anonymous flyers in order to avoid arrest by the UK Government. It protects you from blowback from those desirign revenge.

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  3. real identity by skyggen · · Score: 5, Funny

    How can they know who the real me is when I can even answer that question without having a quorum among myself.

  4. Re:This BANS others from OFFERING anonymity by discord5 · · Score: 4, Funny

    You cycle through sockpuppet accounts faster than a d&d party through cheetos. Have you tried being less obvious about it, or does your employer not offer you that kind of training?

  5. Exactly why I'm not on Google+ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "There are lots of places where you can be anonymous online. Google+ isn't one of them."

    Yes, that's why I'm not on Google+ or Facebook.

  6. Re:This BANS others from OFFERING anonymity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This prevents nothing from anyone, really. It's only corporations who have to play in the little corner they painted themselves into.

    Meanwhile the hacker community, hobbyists and all the netizens boldly go where no man has gone before, regardless of what some lawyer says or thinks they're entitled to!

    The patent system has lost its meaning. It's no longer an incentive to create. The single inventor could never afford to patent something, or to defend it in court. The big ones can. Thus patents create artificial barriers of entry and stifle innovation.

    Furthermore, patents are now simply legal weapons used to cement monopolies and prevent innovation from disrupting established revenue streams from stagnated giants who output more Powerpoint fluff than actual progress.

  7. Useful google+ information by ubergeek65536 · · Score: 5, Informative

    To delete your profile:

            Sign in to your Google profile.
            Click Edit profile.
            Click the About tab.
            Click Delete profile and disable Google Buzz completely.
            Click Yes, delete my profile and posts.

  8. Google Does Not Believe by Bob9113 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So does Google now believe that there's a genuine 'risk of disclosing a user's real identity'? Or is this just a case of Google's left hand not knowing what its right hand is patenting?

    Google does not believe. They do not believe in protecting anonymity, nor in advancing reliable identities. Google wants money and power. There was a time when it was reasonable to think that Google believed in things, that they wanted to do good, but those times are gone. Google wants to make money on anonymity because they want to make money, not because they believe free speech depends on anonymity. They want to make money on reliable identities because they want to make money, not because they believe identities should be reliable. They want to make money on being the only one who knows the real identities because they want to make money, not because they believe one company should be the sole authenticator.

    Most sufficiently large corporations have no beliefs. "I want as much stuff as I can get" is not a belief. Beliefs are things for which you are willing to make deep sacrifices. When a company sees that the patent system is broken and its public response is that they need to get more aggressive about patents, it is a clear statement that they lack motives outside of acquisitiveness and will-to-power. Avarice is not a belief, it is our default state when we choose not to elevate ourselves above the animals. Google does not believe.

  9. But fake names are OK if you're the boss by rudy_wayne · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Or famous.

    The executive in charge of Google+ is Vic Gundotra. But his name isn't really Vic. Mr. Gundrota is Indian and his real first name is Vivek. Yes that's right. The person mandating that you must use your real name, is using a phoney name.

    Then there are the celebrities, like Fifty Cent and Lady Gaga who are allowed to use their fake names.

    Google gets a +1 for hypocrisy.

  10. And the pendulum swings by Solandri · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Once upon a time, when I first got on the Internet (late 1980s), there was no anonymity. Sysadmins voluntarily adhered to a policy where each user's online identity and their real identity were linked. If someone ever found a way to break this link, it was considered a bug which needed to be fixed. It was staunchly enforced by admins who believed the net would devolve into a morass of misbehavior if people were allowed to post anonymously.

    There were a few people running their own servers who bucked the trend, but it wasn't until AOL joined USENET that pseudonyms became a fact of life on the Internet. AOL allowed each account to have up to 5 usernames, ostensibly for families sharing a single AOL account. Obviously these extra usernames were quickly taken up by people wishing to post things online anonymously, which was good for free speech. But not surprisingly, spam was invented shortly thereafter.

    All that's happening now is that the pendulum is starting to swing the away from anonymity as netizens struggle to figure out the best balance between real names and pseudonyms. The people at the pro-anonymity extreme won't like it, just like the people at the pro-real-name extreme didn't like it in the early 1990s. But as with most things the best balance is probably somewhere in between.

  11. Re:This BANS others from OFFERING anonymity by poetmatt · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Really, you respond with another sockpuppet?

    Is google suing over anonymity? Is this article even factual?

    Answer to both : no.

    If you assume his argument is even remotely valid you've simply started with an invalid premise.

  12. Re:Youtube by hazah · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You're not their customer.

  13. Re:Sigh.. by jamstar7 · · Score: 3, Funny

    On IRC nobody knew Beth14 a Detective with the NYPD Vice Squad..

    Ah, the heady early days of the Internet, where men were men, so were most of the women, and those horny 14 year old virgins wanting to come out to my house to fuck me stupid were FBI agents wanting a quick and dirty arrest...

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  14. Behead those who insult the prophet by gelfling · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Thank you for pointing us in their general direction.

  15. Re: while ________ still knows who you are by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm confused. Why doesn't AOL have colossal prior art on this?

    They had a Master Account system with subsidiary names. For those who are too young and need to Get Off Your Lawn, it was Dad who had the Master account, and then we young'uns had all the subsidiary names. (Sometimes several per person!) This was fairly important for RP in the Red Dragon Inn, etc. I hadn't gotten into bulletin boards by then, but it still held. But if you got too nasty, one of the Moderators would report you, and it would trickle up the food chain.

    So not knowing Patentese, how did poor ol' faded glory AOL not even get a few bucks of licensing rights?

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  16. Why bother when you can by Safety+Cap · · Score: 4, Informative
    autofill from the Fake Name Generator ?

    Ms. Concepcion L. Garcia
    1769 Clearview Drive
    Centennial, CO 80111
    Phone: 303-721-9441
    DOB: October 31, 1929
    Email Address: ConcepcionLGarcia@teleworm.us
    (etc)

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