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Cheap, Portable Ultrasound Could a Be Lifesaver .

ericjones12398 writes "Every year, around 250,000 women die due to complications from pregnancy and childbirth. New research developing cheap, portable ultrasounds could help reduce that number. From the article: 'Although diagnostic imaging is scarce in much of the developing world (mostly related to cost and portability), ultrasound imaging is a feasible technology for prototyping in low-resource settings such as developing countries. Indeed, many notable technology giants, such as GE and Siemens, are working on low-cost portable ultrasound models. GE’s Vscan is a handheld, pocket-sized visualization tool that allows for non-invasive ultrasounds. Mobisante, a startup in Seattle, takes portable ultrasound technology one step further with the MobiUS SP1 system, an ultrasound that wirelessly connects to the Internet or a smartphone for viewing results at an affordable price tag. By comparison, the large, clunky ultrasound machine most people associate with hospitals can cost anywhere from $32,000-$160,000.'"

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  1. Could be a lifesaver for men too by s0446 · · Score: 4, Funny

    So you know when it's the time to run away.

    Ba-dum-ttsshhh

    1. Re:Could be a lifesaver for men too by davester666 · · Score: 1

      Hint: If you are so fat that you can't tell whether you are pregnant or not, see a doctor, and if not pregnant, go on a diet until you can tell the difference.

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  2. by comparison by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    an ultrasound that wirelessly connects to the Internet or a smartphone for viewing results at an affordable price tag. By comparison, the large, clunky ultrasound machine most people associate with hospitals can cost anywhere from $32,000-$160,000.'"

    So compare ??? to $32,000-$160,000

    1. Re:by comparison by Qzukk · · Score: 2

      Gizmodo has it:

      The best feature may be its price which is surprisingly low. Each [mobiUS] unit costs $7,495 which is slightly less than GE's mobile ultrasound machine, the GE Vscan which costs $7,900. And now after eight months of regulatory testing, the mobiUS is finally available for purchase.

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    2. Re:by comparison by cryptizard · · Score: 1

      According to the article, about $64.

    3. Re:by comparison by gmack · · Score: 1
    4. Re:by comparison by sjames · · Score: 1

      And so now that the machine is down to 1/4th the price, the bill for it's use will....probably go up.

    5. Re:by comparison by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And if it's cheap-or-none, with a life in the balance, you can get a poor res usb one on amazon for like $40.

    6. Re:by comparison by mspohr · · Score: 1

      Yes, in the health care field, prices never go down even as "new wonderful exotic technology" becomes common and cheap to implement.
      In addition, once every doctor with dollar signs in his eyes has one of these, they will start doing them on everyone, regardless of benefit to the patient so there will be lots more procedure billed. This means that doctors can buy bigger boats!

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  3. women by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It could also increase the number of gender-specific abortions.

  4. Money better spent by sunking2 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Education so they don't get knocked up in the first place. I'm not sure how you address famine by increasing the rates of overpopulation.

    1. Re:Money better spent by s0446 · · Score: 1

      And why should I wear condom when having sex? It takes away all the fun.

    2. Re:Money better spent by Maximum+Prophet · · Score: 2

      Education so they don't get knocked up in the first place. I'm not sure how you address famine by increasing the rates of overpopulation.

      Increased certainty.

      By making family planning realistic, and less of a crapshoot, 3rd world women don't have to have as many babies.
      Subsistence farmers have always had to maximize the number of children in order to survive.

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    3. Re:Money better spent by Aguazul2 · · Score: 2

      Perhaps instead it will be used to abort more female babies, which will reduce the population, perhaps drastically. (Apart from leaving a generation of frustrated men). This already happens, BTW, in both India and China.

    4. Re:Money better spent by mr1911 · · Score: 5, Funny

      And why should I wear condom when having sex? It takes away all the fun.

      You do not have to wear a condom. Your hand cannot get pregnant.

      The earlier post was referring to those that have sex with women.

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    5. Re:Money better spent by Hartree · · Score: 1

      "And why should I wear condom when having sex? It takes away all the fun."

      Yup. Changing diapers at 3 am is such fun.

    6. Re:Money better spent by MysteriousPreacher · · Score: 1

      Hows the food at the Ecuadorian embassy?

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    7. Re:Money better spent by tibit · · Score: 2

      It is fun if you want it to be :)

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    8. Re:Money better spent by MysteriousPreacher · · Score: 1

      It'd be a stretch to see the minority vagina phobia of the western fundamentalists (and their like-minded fundie immigrant friends) translate in to a broad movement to abort girls. Not impossible, but pretty unlikely for the foreseeable future.

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    9. Re:Money better spent by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      Clearly you've been up changing diapers at 3am far too many times, you're getting delusional.

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    10. Re:Money better spent by Hartree · · Score: 1

      "It is fun if you want it to be :)"

      Uh... Sorry. Not my particular kink.

    11. Re:Money better spent by tibit · · Score: 1

      If you get into a routine and do it when the baby is fed (say before feeding), and that should normally happen on fixed schedule -- at least at night, then it's no biggie. I'd fall right back to sleep afterwards. The whole feed-change thingo shouldn't take longer than 15-20 minutes when a normal baby is past the first week or two. It sure is a whole another ballgame if you have a preemie, cleft lip, etc. 20 minutes up every 3 hours -- nothing to complain about. Key rule: after feeding and burping, put the kid down. No arguments about it. They'll learn very quickly that screaming at that point is useless. Never took longer than 72 hours after birth, anyway.

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  5. and also.... by TheCarp · · Score: 1

    who knows what else will happen from making this cheap and portable?

    Sadly because it will be called a "medical device" real innovation with them will be limited since they will be hard to get ahold of cheaply to play with (its a medical device afterall)

    However.... I have to wonder how many random uses an ultrasound imaging device would have, if you took off the "medical device" label and let people have at it.

    Even in medical fields, I have had an ultrasound, turns out you can use one to look through the liver at the heart. There is no reason to expect these will only help pregnant women, or be limited to old uses that had cost and availability of equipment factored into justification as to whether to use them.

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    1. Re:and also.... by Maximum+Prophet · · Score: 1

      Market it as a veterinary device.

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    2. Re:and also.... by boristdog · · Score: 1

      Also handy for finding kidney stones.

    3. Re:and also.... by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

      What? Your rant makes little sense. We've had small, portable ultrasounds for years. Looking at TFA I'm not seeing much of a breakthrough - they're perhaps a bit cheaper, a bit better but I don't see the breakthrough. You can buy second hand portables for a couple of grand.... No, you don't need a really expensive or sophisticated machine to do routine obstetrics work and there are thousands of cheap, used and entirely functional ultrasounds running around. It's not the lack of technology that causes much of the 'third world' medical problems. It is the social, political and economic structures that limit creation of any sort of useful infrastructure to use the technology.

      You can go buy one off the Internet without a medical degree - you just need a valid credit card. You can't charge people to have their gall bladders looked into. At that point you are 'practicing medicine'. But you can run around and impress your friends should you be so inclined. You can be as innovative as you like. That's not the problem at all.

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    4. Re:and also.... by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      turns out you can use one to look through the liver at the heart

      If your heart (or liver) is in the wrong quadrant of your trunk, you have yourself some serious problems...

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    5. Re:and also.... by sl149q · · Score: 1

      It just means that you'll have to buy it from an eBay seller in Hong Kong or Dubai.

  6. Selective abortions by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Cost is not the only issue. Ultrasound equipment is severely regulated in some countries because it is used for gender identification that results in selective abortions. When my wife was pregnant in Shanghai, we had to go to a special hospital for foreigners to get an ultrasound.

    1. Re:Selective abortions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I was going to post the exact same thing - about abortions not about your wife. But mine had the much better Subject line that these people should have tattooed on their foreheads "UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES"

    2. Re:Selective abortions by Hatta · · Score: 1

      Rather than banning ultrasounds, how about we subsidize the production of girls? Use the carrot, not the stick.

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    3. Re:Selective abortions by nospam007 · · Score: 1

      "Ultrasound equipment is severely regulated in some countries because it is used for gender identification that results in selective abortions."

      You mean mostly in the 2 only countries who have over 1 billion citizens?
      What's wrong if the populace eliminates the breeders? No matter for what reason.
      Think of it as evolution in action.

    4. Re:Selective abortions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sexually frustrated men fight. Not immediately but if they see no hope of getting time with a woman for long enough. Some join the army and get into wars, some form gangs, some quietly become rapists (those with a predilection to). Evolution in action I'm afraid. Look at sheep, cattle, horses or lions for a hint as to how deeply this is ingrained in our genome. Combat is a means of rebalancing the population toward the species-optimal sex ratio.

    5. Re:Selective abortions by elucido · · Score: 1

      Sexually frustrated men fight. Not immediately but if they see no hope of getting time with a woman for long enough. Some join the army and get into wars, some form gangs, some quietly become rapists (those with a predilection to). Evolution in action I'm afraid. Look at sheep, cattle, horses or lions for a hint as to how deeply this is ingrained in our genome. Combat is a means of rebalancing the population toward the species-optimal sex ratio.

      Men in poverty do the same thing. Send some women over to China along with some cash.

  7. It needs to be said by Coward+Anonymous · · Score: 1

    Instead of facilitating the addition of millions of babies into poverty, perhaps a much greater emphasis should be placed on preventing their conception.

    1. Re:It needs to be said by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Instead of facilitating the addition of millions of babies into poverty, perhaps a much greater emphasis should be placed on preventing their conception.

      One of the best ways to encourage women to have fewer babies is to make them feel more confident that those fewer babies are going to be healthy.

    2. Re:It needs to be said by Coward+Anonymous · · Score: 1

      I think the population explosion in poorer countries over the last 50 years pretty conclusively shows that to be false.

    3. Re:It needs to be said by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes indeed, because women always have 100% free choice in when they want to have babies.

      Especially in pro-choice America.

      But ESPECIALLY in third-world countries.

    4. Re:It needs to be said by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      I think the population explosion in poorer countries over the last 50 years pretty conclusively shows that to be false.

      There is a very strong correlation between child mortality and birthrate. When war or famine kills children, women tend to have even more children to compensate. The country with the highest birthrate in the world is Niger, which is currently experiencing both a famine and a civil war.

      When UNICEF installed wells to provide clean water in many African villages, rates of childhood diarrhea fell, and the birthrate fell right along with it, and fell by more than the mortality decreased. The birthrate in neighboring villages did not fall. There is plenty more evidence showing similar results for vaccinations, anti-malaria bed nets, nutritional programs, literacy programs, and even electrification (kids are much healthier when they don't inhale soot from candles and cooking fires). All of these things reduce population growth.

    5. Re:It needs to be said by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're right. The GP forgot the other major predictor of low birthrates: civil rights and education for women.

  8. Invasive? by gtirloni · · Score: 2

    "GE’s Vscan is a handheld, pocket-sized visualization tool that allows for non-invasive ultrasounds."

    I can only imagine the military-grade ultrasound cannon required for an invasive ultrasound exam.

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    1. Re:Invasive? by Maximum+Prophet · · Score: 1

      "Invasive" ultrasound can be used to break up kidney stones. Much, much, louder than the imaging version.

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    2. Re:Invasive? by aztrailerpunk · · Score: 1

      I can only imagine the military-grade ultrasound cannon required for an invasive ultrasound exam.

      The TSA has already ordered $3 billion worth of the Vscan - MGUC

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    3. Re:Invasive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/003779.htm

    4. Re:Invasive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is it any good for tormenting dogs? Some bastard keeps letting theirs shit right in front of our outside door.

    5. Re:Invasive? by nutgirdle · · Score: 0

      Some anon already mentioned this, but there is such a thing as trans-vaginal and trans-esophageal (even experimental trans-urethral!!!) ultrasound.

    6. Re:Invasive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think a pellet rifle would do the job far more effectively. Especially if you hit the owner instead.

    7. Re:Invasive? by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      I'd rather they ultrasound me than use one of those scanners. From my understanding ultrasound does not utilize radiation.

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    8. Re:Invasive? by logistic · · Score: 1

      "GE’s Vscan is a handheld, pocket-sized visualization tool that allows for non-invasive ultrasounds."

      I can only imagine the military-grade ultrasound cannon required for an invasive ultrasound exam.

      No cannons ( they didn't say invasion ultrasound...) but :

      Transesophageal echocardiograpy (heart) : http://pie.med.utoronto.ca/TEE/TEE_content/TEE_standardViews_intro.html

      Endobronchial ultrasound (lung and mediastinum) : http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/455720_7

      Endoscopic ultrasound (pancreas liver etc) : http://www.asge.org/patients/patients.aspx?id=380

      Intravascular ultrasound (coronoary arteries etc) : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intravascular_ultrasound

      Transrectal ultrasound(guess) : http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/457757-overview

      As mentioned by others trans vaginal is pretty common.

      Most of these are usefull technologies but not the priority for resource constrained environments. The device featured in the TFA is intriguing. The question is how flexible a crystal they'll put in it, eg how specialized a device will it be will it see only very shallow structures only deep? Can they make a device at this cost with a useful resolution? The answer is probably yes but it will be interesting to see.

    9. Re:Invasive? by thomasw_lrd · · Score: 1

      They also have one for early preganancy tests that is inserted into the vagina. Much easier to see a baby in the first 8 weeks with this kind. It's very invasive looking.

    10. Re:Invasive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, this is opposed to the invasive equipment under development for the TSA where they shove it up your hoo hoo to check for bombs and drugs and mexicans.

    11. Re:Invasive? by smellsofbikes · · Score: 1

      "GE’s Vscan is a handheld, pocket-sized visualization tool that allows for non-invasive ultrasounds."
      I can only imagine the military-grade ultrasound cannon required for an invasive ultrasound exam.

      Since none of the other commenters replying seem to have yet touched on this, I was involved in the design and manufacture of ultrasound imaging devices that were fed into the femoral artery and snaked up to image the heart from the inside, aka invasive ultrasound.

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    12. Re:Invasive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can only imagine the military-grade ultrasound cannon required for an invasive ultrasound exam.

      Actually, they use basically the same equipment for many invasive procedures. It's about where the transducer is placed. For example, getting a Trans-abdominal US to see your baby, or a Trans-thoracic echocardiogram (TTE) to look at your heart simply involves placing the transducer across the skin. However, the pictures you get by this can be distorted by all the tissue in between. A commonly used technique for heart visualization is a Trans-esophageal echocardiogram (TEE), which involves you needing to basically swallow the transducer so that it can echo the heart with almost nothing inbetween, thus a clearer picture.

    13. Re:Invasive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's more than invasive "looking"...

  9. Ultrasound is not expensive by kheldan · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I used to work for an ophthalamic ultrasound company. The hardware itself doesn't need to be expensive if you want basic functionality; it can be done in a USB-attachable box and run on any Windows machine. What makes devices like this expensive is the FDA (and it's equivalent agencies in non-U.S. countries) and all the extensive testing that needs to be done before they'll approve the device for sale. For ophthalamic ultrasound, I believe it cost something on the order of $50000US to perform all the testing that the FDA required before it could be legally sold. Other countries would require their own testing. All of this ends up driving the cost up. Of course the mere fact that it's a medical device means that the manufacturers jack the price up to make a gigantic profit off it, because doctors don't have much choice of where to buy their equipment, too.

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    1. Re:Ultrasound is not expensive by Overzeetop · · Score: 2

      If it makes you feel better, the cost to test/approve a "new" engineered item for use in residential construction, the costs are similar - $50,000-$100,000 - to complete all of the required testing and documentation (ICC-ES) for nearly "automatic" approval by code officials.It's all about the guarantee of safety, and it's partially because there is no one holding the bag when things go wrong. Nobody will (actually, no one can) put their livelihood on the line to vouch for it.

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    2. Re:Ultrasound is not expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      YES. And you can build a baby-incubator from Toyota parts.

      All you do is give up reliability, calibration, redundancy, traceability. All the stuff that makes FDA-blessed stuff cost 10x or more.
      You can also buy knockoff medicines. Let your radiologist diagnose you on a iPad screen. QA is for pussies.

      (Have done medical software before)

      Actually I don't like govt controls --I'd rather shop amongst Consumer Review or Kosher certifications. But realize *why* some stuff costs more, whether organic, halal, or fda-approved.

    3. Re:Ultrasound is not expensive by olau · · Score: 1

      If you can sell a lot of them 50k USD isn't really that much. I think you're right the big price is because this is not marketed to consumers, it's marketed to the health sector where people are used to pay a lot of money for their equipment.

    4. Re:Ultrasound is not expensive by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      I was at a company with a relatively inexpensive and portable ultrasound system that could be docked to larger cart and with image quality equal to top end systems. They're still around but it's not a great time to be a medical device company. At the time though many hospitals were stopping all capital purchases even for cheaper and better equipment. Most competing portable ultrasounds were lower quality and stuck with a flatter "laptop" form factor which really hurts in a lot of technical ways as well as usability (you can't use them easily in the field w/o a table). It is kind of sad that the market is dominated by giant multinationals that create mediocre equipment lacking in innovation.

      Used to be at a company too that was acquired by Siemens (after I left) so that they could get a respected name to put on their average machines, and over time it dragged down quality and morale.

    5. Re:Ultrasound is not expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, if you are in a sector where one faulty diagnose can cost you 100.000 or even millions of dollars in legal costs, it makes quite a lot of sense, economically, to stear clear from the low-cost innovative start-up, and shell out (too much) for a respected brand name.

  10. So they can then starve to death? by gelfling · · Score: 1

    Sounds like half a plan.

  11. Easy by srussia · · Score: 2

    I'm not sure how you address famine by increasing the rates of overpopulation.

    The same way you eliminate bugs by not writing software in the first place.

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  12. Excellent products by Valor958 · · Score: 1

    With all the advancement in the medical industry, I honestly find it somewhat surprising this has taken so long to come about. There are a lot more implications than just pregnancy observation this device could work for. These could be issued to Military Medics and First Responders for more accurate treatment and diagnosis on the spot. They could also be used in other emergency situations to address concerns from injury prior to opening the person up. Specifically, car accidents and from the military standpoint gunshots and concussive force damage (IED blasts do more than visible damage with the shock impact on the body). Ultrasounds technology has a lot more uses than that.. Google for more examples if you need more convincing lol.
    The prices on current commercial ultrasounds vary so wildly in the article due to the varied models and types available. The cheaper ones are probably entry level models for clinics, etc. The more expensive models can utilize both invasive and non-invasive examinations and would include the ‘4D’ ultrasounds as well.
    Hopefully the low cost will also lower the cost to the consumer/patient in that more ultrasounds can be counted on insurance and at a lower overall cost. I know several people who could only get 5 ultrasounds covered before it came out of pocket. Out of pocket, ultrasounds add up quickly to be very expensive. For high risk pregnancies they are an absolute must as well.

    1. Re:Excellent products by Valor958 · · Score: 1

      ...and for all those commenting about this contributing to overpopulation or mocking China's gender identification practices, I don't really see how that fits an article like this. Then again, how rarely does a /. comment section actually stay ON topic or relevent?
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    2. Re:Excellent products by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With all the advancement in the medical industry, I honestly find it somewhat surprising this has taken so long to come about.

      It's from at least 2010, not that that was oh so long ago.

      GE Healthcare launches portable ultrasound device
      http://www.bizjournals.com/milwaukee/stories/2010/03/01/story9.html?page=all
      Date: Sunday, February 28, 2010, 11:00pm CST - Last Modified: Thursday, February 25, 2010, 3:38pm CST

      "GE Healthcare isn’t the first to bring a hand-held ultrasound device to market. Siemens AG introduced a similar scanner in 2007. Other medical equipment manufacturers have followed with similar products."

    3. Re:Excellent products by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      Indeed. If China wanted to use these, they wouldn't need us for it.

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  13. Chooicing to cause a poplulation drop by oxnyx · · Score: 1

    While I disagree personally with not chooicing to have a baby due it "likely" gender. As a historian I feel that long term it could work out. If the population becoming to ratio one way then the value of the smaller group tends to increase. This can be seen in tradions of a "bride price" ie the man has to pay the bride's family. Having a shortage of woman could also force there to be a drop in the population. As an added bouns drop number of woman below that of men tends to cause wars which also tend to kill lots of the poplulation. It's not a nice way to get the population down but it does give all though men not getting any something to died for.

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  14. A neat toy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think I'd be able to find several kinky uses for transvaginal ultrasounds.

    1. Re:A neat toy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think the ultrasound part matters at that point.

  15. Get Rid of Stupid Laws Instead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Our first child was in a hospital. It was the worst delivery she ever had--misplaced spinal line, back spasms, nearly 20 hours in labor, and finally a c-section that left her drugged up and unable to properly care for the newborn.

    After that, we said "fuck the hospital" and did everything at home. By ourselves.

    The one thing we can't do at home--due to idiotic laws--is get an ultrasound.

    We've always wanted to get one a week before her due date to see if there will be any complications and to see if the baby is in position. But our state says a doctor is the only person qualified to use an ultrasound. Ok. So send me to a doctor. Nope. Not unless your 'baby doctor' refers you. Well--we don't have one. (With our second baby, we said we were doing it at home and the 'baby doctor' threatened to have us arrested for child endangerment for not using a hospital.) So no way in hell can we get an ultrasound.

    Cost of first child (hospital birth): $32,000
    Cost of three additional children (all born at home): $125 in bulb syringes, blankets, a scale, a 'homebirth certificate' with footprints, etc...

    1. Re:Get Rid of Stupid Laws Instead by tibit · · Score: 1

      Just buy an ultrasound on eBay and learn how to use it. No, you don't need to have a prescription for it or anything. Say you're buying it for use in engineering. It'd have cost you way less than one hospital childbirth.

      I don't know where you are, but in the U.S. home childbirths aren't unheard of. Get a midwife and do it at home, the ob-gyn has to respect your wishes in that regard. You could have made a lot of fuss about those child endangerment threats, in the U.S. at least.

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    2. Re:Get Rid of Stupid Laws Instead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Cost of child born at home to parents who didn't know enough to know they had a problem: $1,000,000. In the first year. Friend/colleague who is a high risk OB (and supporter of home birth, FYI) sees them with growing regularity.

      I'm not against home birth, either. Just make sure there's someone there who knows how these things are supposed to go and knows enough to raise the red flag.

      see if the baby is in position
      You have a spouse with a history on complicated delivery and you want to do this at home as VBAC and think that knowing the fetal position will give you an assessment of the risk of the delivery? Would you know how to read an ultrasound? Would the information you could glean from the ultrasound make you change what you were going to do? Would you know how to do a Leopold?

      Glad you were successful (I'm sure you would have detailed how poorly your outcome was, if so too) but you are playing with some risks that you might not be aware of.

    3. Re:Get Rid of Stupid Laws Instead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cost of first child (hospital birth): $32,000
      Cost of three additional children (all born at home): $125 in bulb syringes, blankets, a scale, a 'homebirth certificate' with footprints, etc...

      Your problem isn't the ultrasound, your problem is your society which believes universal health care is a socialist affront to money over everything.

    4. Re:Get Rid of Stupid Laws Instead by HeckRuler · · Score: 1

      Well your first problem right there is that you have 4 children. Holy shit dude.
      The second problem here, for anyone that follows your footsteps, is that while the typical birth is perfectly possible at home, any complication quickly goes from "that's troubling" to "oh shit everyone is dead". I mean, for your three home births did you have to deal with twins? 12lbs babies? Premies? Breech births? C-section? How quickly could you hook up an apnic baby to a ventilator? Because you're going to lose the baby if you're not quick enough. And for a lot of these scenarios, you're going to lose the mother as well.

      This is why healthcare for the healthy is cheap.

    5. Re:Get Rid of Stupid Laws Instead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The GP is from Strawmania? Well, his English is excellent.

  16. Tricorder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Tricorder Please"

    Red Shirt passes tricorder...

    "No!!!.. A Medical Tricorder you dolt!!!"

  17. Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why do humans focus on saving lives instead of preventing the creation of lives that need saving? We have enough people on the planet. There's no shortage of humans. Why are we expending so many resources towards preserving their numbers?

    1. Re:Why? by thomasw_lrd · · Score: 1

      It's a genetic imperative. Intellectually, we know there are too many people on the planet, but deep down in our genes, we have been programmed by millions of years of evolution to procreate to levels that will make the decimation of the human species impossible. Once we have reached the limits of the resources of this planet, we will travel to other planets. Thereby ensuring the human species is impossible to wipe out.

  18. Too bad about electricity and training to use it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It requires a trained technician to interpret those much-fuzzier-than-current-technology images. Training and retention of said technician will be 8x-400x the cost of the unit, plus implementation. There's the electricity infrastructure problem, too. (You know, for turning it on, keeping it charged, etc.) Oh, and what about the medical infrastructure to support treating whatever is found by the ultrasound? Sorry that you have a placenta previa, there's nothing we can do about it here or within 100 miles, or that you can afford to pay for.

    This thing (and similar units) is basically a twin-fetus detector, and an extremely expensive one at that.

  19. It sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It sucks people die but 250,000/year.... Here is some numbers

    3 Births Every Second
    180 Births Every Minute
    10,800 Births Every Hour
    259,000 Births Every Day

    Give it two days and all those babies and all those mothers are replaced by the numbers (not callously).

  20. $7900 by denzacar · · Score: 5, Informative

    And that's the "buy now" price for the "Interson SeeMore USB Portable Ultrasound Abdominal Probe".

    On the other hand...
    As someone who had 3 different ultrasound diagnoses, to the same heart condition, by 2 specialists - which in the end turned out to be of viral origin (they were literally chasing shadows); and who later had a dubious privilege of fixing and editing hundreds of ultrasound photos for an ultrasound textbook, with each step done according to the instructions of an instructor/teacher with some 40 years in the ultrasound diagnostic - price of the equipment is not the biggest obstacle in getting the ultrasound "to the masses".

    It's training and experience.
    And you need literally years of both to start making your ultrasound guesses educated.
    Cause without both extensive training with an experienced ultrasound technician AND years of experience in doing ultrasounds of that particular section of human body - that whole "subjective interpretation of an objective method" thing amounts to just guessing.

    There's an episode of House where this is nicely demonstrated by House and Wilson trying to figure out if Cuddy's daughter has swallowed a coin.
    On ultrasound it might be a dime, or it may just be an air bubble.

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    1. Re:$7900 by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 2

      I got an echocardiogram this morning. I'd been waiting for the appointment since January.

      So yes, I agree, it's about training and experience.

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    2. Re:$7900 by denzacar · · Score: 1

      I'd been waiting for the appointment since January.

      Hope the results were favorable.

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    3. Re:$7900 by sl149q · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I was getting an Ultrasound directed procedure done a year ago and commented to the Doctor doing it that the very expensive (I think GE) device he was using would be available as a dongle and iPhone app within a year or two.

      He bristled at the suggestion saying that it wouldn't replace his decade of experience using them and interpreting the results.

      I can sympathize to a certain extent. But I suspect that there are still a vast range of simple procedures that could be helped with this type of device. That over time more MD's (especially in the 3rd world) will gain experience (the hard way by simply using them.)

      And since these are connected to devices with amazing amounts of CPU power machine based diagnostic tools will also be just around the corner.

      There will still be the hard corner cases where only an experience and well practiced professional should be using this or something more expensive to figure something out (the "House" scenarios.) But there will also be a much better care at lower cost for a wide range of things.

    4. Re:$7900 by camperdave · · Score: 4, Funny

      There's an episode of House where this is nicely demonstrated by House and Wilson trying to figure out if Cuddy's daughter has swallowed a coin. On ultrasound it might be a dime, or it may just be an air bubble.

      Radio Shack sells metal detectors for about $100.

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    5. Re:$7900 by denzacar · · Score: 2

      There will still be the hard corner cases where only an experience and well practiced professional should be using this or something more expensive to figure something out (the "House" scenarios.) But there will also be a much better care at lower cost for a wide range of things.

      Actually, the House scenario I mention above is a VERY simple and a very typical case.
      A kid swallowing a coin. Two doctors suspecting just that.
      They do an ultrasound - and they can't agree if what they are seeing is a coin or a pocket of gas.

      It is a diagnostic method highly dependent on subjective interpretation. I.e. Trained intuition based on expert training and experience.

      That over time more MD's (especially in the 3rd world) will gain experience (the hard way by simply using them.)

      Without actual expert guidance and additional diagnostic methods such as X-ray only experience they will gain is in writing death certificates - cause they'll be doing a lot of faulty and unnecessary operations based on worse than guesswork.
      Why worse? Because it will be guesswork backed by authority of technology.
      As a bonus, use of such devices will drain what little there's left of the communal medical resources - as bad diagnostic will have them chasing imaginary diseases and injuries.

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    6. Re:$7900 by denzacar · · Score: 1

      They were trying to hide the fact that the kid may have swallowed a coin while they were babysitting her.
      Knowing that she has swallowed a coin doesn't really help them as they were working with that conclusion from the start.
      The question was is the coin in a safe place (i.e. it will come out soon on its own) or could it possibly cause a health problem for the kid.

      Also, how to get it out without Cuddy finding about it.

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    7. Re:$7900 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or they use the MRI.

    8. Re:$7900 by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 1

      Thank you. The cardiologist will get the results soon, I'll find out in a week.

      They let me leave, so that's a good sign. ;) "Oh, hang on a moment, I just have to get...a...cardiologist. Try to stay calm."

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    9. Re:$7900 by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      Wonder what they're looking for. I recently had a stay in an ICU. My cardiac echo was read within just a few hours after getting it with ~8 hours notice. Of course, presenting with a complete heart block generally gets you moved up to the front of the queue.

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    10. Re:$7900 by TheSwift · · Score: 3, Informative

      There's an episode of House where this is nicely demonstrated by House and Wilson trying to figure out if Cuddy's daughter has swallowed a coin. On ultrasound it might be a dime, or it may just be an air bubble.

      While I've heard that some House episodes are very educational, I can tell you that that House episode was just another medical TV show keeping the public sufficiently ignorant of medicine to ensure that we'll always need health professionals. What the HELL were they doing getting an US!?! I work in an emergency department and anyone with eyes can tell the difference between a foreign body and an air bubble on an X-ray. To my knowledge US is never used to evaluate for foreign body.

      Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_body_in_alimentary_tract

      GI tract example: http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/776566-overview - Is it a nail, or an air bubble???

      However, just because US aren't useful for evaluating foreign bodies it doesn't mean that the technology isn't extremely promising for other factors of disease or (in the case of the article) complications with pregnancy. Can you imagine if these were widely available how easy it would be for a soon-to-be mother to learn the basics on what to look for to prevent a serious complication? Think about how many books and media a pregnant mother reads and intakes to educate themselves on pregnancy to ensure they have a healthy 9 months? If a 3-hour class was offered to mothers about how to look for an US complication and a hand-held US machine was loaned to them for their pregnancy, I'm confident that nearly all would jump at the opportunity. It wouldn't be training them to diagnose themselves or their babies with any disease it would be like, "If you see your baby's umbilical cord wrapped around his neck and you feel funny, then you should probably come see the OB/GYN immediately." That's something you could teach in a 3-hour class.

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    11. Re:$7900 by godel_56 · · Score: 1

      Actually, the House scenario I mention above is a VERY simple and a very typical case. A kid swallowing a coin. Two doctors suspecting just that. They do an ultrasound - and they can't agree if what they are seeing is a coin or a pocket of gas.

      It is a diagnostic method highly dependent on subjective interpretation. I.e. Trained intuition based on expert training and experience.

      Metal detector? :)

    12. Re:$7900 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Meh, just have em put a handful of those little neodymium magnets in their mouth and hold 'em upside-down. Should be fine.

      Not sure why everyone says I'd make a terrible father. I'm an excellent problem solver.

    13. Re:$7900 by Agripa · · Score: 1

      Damnit camperdave, they are doctors, not engineers.

    14. Re:$7900 by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      For the cost of a flight to Bangkok, $400, and three hours of your time, you can have an EKG, stress test, blood/urine/stool tests, abdominal ultrasound, and a handful of other tests. That three hours includes the time required to process the lab results and have a consultation with the doctor. (Bumrungrad Hospital's health check program.)

      Just did mine yesterday. When you factor in lost time at work trying to get all the visits and tests complete, the $1,600 with the flight isn't that bad.

      Abdominal ultrasounds are pretty interesting.

    15. Re:$7900 by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      Biggest challenge after interpreting the results is to know where to point it and what needs further analysis.

    16. Re:$7900 by dbk25 · · Score: 1

      Not if they are unsure whether the kid swallowed metal.

    17. Re:$7900 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better solutiuon is that by a British company RDT (remote diagnostic technology) the portable bit is basically a terminal which sends the info back to a remote expert - it is used on airplanes etc and includes a defibrillator etc etc. Meant to allow people with little or no medical expertise act as a pair of remote hands for an expert

    18. Re:$7900 by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 1

      I could also take the Clipper down to Seattle and get it done at a private US clinic. Takes a weekend, a couple hundred, and I've got a full set of diagnostics.

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  21. In America... by Fished · · Score: 1

    In America, the cows get ultrasounds. What a country!

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  22. Unless you are an un-born girl in China by 1967mustangman · · Score: 1

    It will be interesting to see how this factors into the gender selection battles in China. It is currently illegal in China to perform an ultrasound or a sonogram for purposes of telling the parents the gender of the child. There are clandestine ultrasound techs who drive around with the machines in their trunk and flee when the cops catch wind of what is going on. This could turn all of that on its head.

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  23. Prenatal care? by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 1, Interesting

    During the recent healthcare debates in the USA I was stunned to read how many American women deliver babies with zero prenatal care - They present at emergency in labour and it's the first time they see a doc. Blew my mind that that sort of thing could go on in 'the greatest nation on earth.' Sounded more like The Sudan to me.

    1. Re:Prenatal care? by magarity · · Score: 1

      During the recent healthcare debates in the USA I was stunned to read how many American women deliver babies with zero prenatal care - They present at emergency in labour and it's the first time they see a doc. Blew my mind that that sort of thing could go on in 'the greatest nation on earth.' Sounded more like The Sudan to me.

      During the recent healthcare debates I was stunned to read that despite every state (not "most", "every") already having a Medicaid program including prenatal care a lot of low income people just don't know any better and show up at the emergency room during labor to see a doc for the first time. Yes, the USA definitely needs to address this serious problem by adopting a nationalized health care system.

    2. Re:Prenatal care? by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      What your saying is that despite the fact that pregnant women are already covered by Medicaid, we should use the fact they are too irresponsible to get prenatal care as an excuse to nationalize healthcare?

      Just so we know where you are coming from.

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    3. Re:Prenatal care? by magarity · · Score: 1

      The last sentence of my comment was heavy on the sarcasm to counter whatever was going on in the last two sentences of the comment to which I was responding. Does he expect pregnant women to be dragged in for prenatal care by the prenatal care police or was whatever he reading spun in such a way as to give home the mistaken impression low income pregnant women didn't already have a government provided means for prenatal care?

  24. Needed: low-cost 3D ultrasound by Animats · · Score: 1

    At the high end, there's 3D real time ultrasound. This builds up a 3D image from multiple scans from different directions. The ultrasound part of this is no more complex than the basic machines. The 3D part is knowing where the sensor is and software to build up a 3D image. 3D images are much easier to interpret than simple reflection images, and you can rotate them and look from another angle.

    So what's needed is a handheld device with a position tracking system. You could probably kludge something together with a 6DOF INS (an accelerometer and rate gyro chip) and a mouse sensor to track movement along the body. The rest is software.

    1. Re:Needed: low-cost 3D ultrasound by SnowDog74 · · Score: 1

      This isn't needed so much as adequate training... a good radiologist/ultrasound technician can identify defects/anomalies in a 2D planar image. If more complex imaging were required, it wouldn't do the patient much good without being near a Level 1 trauma center fully equipped to actually do anything about it. And even then, three dimensional ultrasonography is very low in detail. There's not a tremendous amount more diagnostic information you'll gain, versus sending them to an L1 trauma center equipped with MRI.

    2. Re:Needed: low-cost 3D ultrasound by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      I've used a few of these, even on portable machines. Can do it easily without high accuracy, because if you don't scan slowly most of the image is interpolation anyway.

      Though to be fair, diagnostically the 3D part is relatively small. For obstetrics it seems to be a big hit to provide screenshots for expectant parents, often as just the last step after the real exam is over. The market for 3D was much smaller outside OB.

  25. Then there would be less girls by bubblegoose · · Score: 2

    In third world countries, where they need the boys to work the fields, they would abort a girl at the first chance. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/9103831/In-the-third-world-unwanted-baby-girls-disappear.-Its-called-gendercide.-And-its-happening-in-this-country-too.html

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    1. Re:Then there would be less girls by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 2

      Women say: "My body, my choice." Nobody can tell them otherwise when they decide to have an abortion. They can have one at any time, for any reason, or no reason at all.

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    2. Re:Then there would be less girls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fucking women. We gave them the right to vote and it's been a slippery slope ever since.

    3. Re:Then there would be less girls by HeckRuler · · Score: 1

      And yet girls right now earn more income in the factories in Shenzhen than boys. Give it time, all things balance out.

    4. Re:Then there would be less girls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fucking women.

      Good luck with that. 20 years after all the girl babies are aborted, you'll be stuck fucking blowup dolls.

    5. Re:Then there would be less girls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I mean the funny part is families having girls will probably get great deals from prospective suitors, think about. I have 2 of 20 daughters for 200+ men in the area. What do you as a young man have to offer me??? No doubt that sounded barbaric by "more civilized" standardizes but in these areas it was the tradition up to now that fathers give money to husbands to help them take care of their new wives. But the problem is that people won't realize the cultural shift that will come down them like a tidal wave. Well, actually it already starting in many regions.

    6. Re:Then there would be less girls by schlachter · · Score: 1

      darwin will take care of this...

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    7. Re:Then there would be less girls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      for 99.99% of pregnancies, they already had their choice.

      And their choice was: "I'll let this dick Inside because it feels good, even if i risk get pregnant, the pleasure now is worth it."

      I know, because i've had 2 kids this way. it just too much fun to stop. i mean we could have stopped, but decided against it.

      If you dont want to conceive, use contraception.

      i know a girl who was a failed abortion. she survived, missing an arm though. She pretty happy about being alive she does not want to die and doesn't think she would be better off dead even though she's suffered a bit, orphan, one arm etc.

    8. Re:Then there would be less girls by TheSwift · · Score: 2
      Do you really think that a significant amount of people in third world countries would get access to hand-held US (and know how to use it!) before they had access to an OB/GYN who could give them a sonogram anyways? The latter would, of course, thus allow them to determine the sex of their child and so have the same result.

      Yes, that's already happening every day in China, but I personally, don't think hand-held US aren't going to make it happen any faster. Why would anyone spend $7000 on a hand-held US when they could go get a sonogram for $200? (Source: http://children.costhelper.com/ultrasound.html)

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    9. Re:Then there would be less girls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ahem. Not for long.
      (Think about it, and then slap yourself for even suggesting it.)

  26. Thank you Ultrasound! by Saija · · Score: 1

    Thanks to this technology and a good gynecologist my wife and I were informed that our little daughter have spina biffida, this helped the doctors to program a C Section to my wife and decide the best action to follow. Right now my baby is 19 month old and doing great!
    Thank you technology and thank you science and medical advances!!

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  27. Ultrasound has many applications by SnowDog74 · · Score: 1

    The thing lacking in both the original article and the comments here (except for a few) is that ultrasonographic imaging has many diagnostic applications outside of neonatal care. Cardiopulmonary medicine, nephrology, hepatology, endocrinology, gastroenterology... the list goes on. All of these applications would make low cost, portable ultrasonography extremely beneficial in third world and developing countries.

    1. Re:Ultrasound has many applications by elucido · · Score: 1

      The thing lacking in both the original article and the comments here (except for a few) is that ultrasonographic imaging has many diagnostic applications outside of neonatal care. Cardiopulmonary medicine, nephrology, hepatology, endocrinology, gastroenterology... the list goes on. All of these applications would make low cost, portable ultrasonography extremely beneficial in third world and developing countries.

      It can also detect signals through walls such as keystrokes.

  28. the $65 one is the real news here by Chirs · · Score: 1

    The really big deal is the one from the Newcastle team that they estimate will cost $65. That's orders of magnitude less than the other "low-cost" devices around.

    Even with degraded accuracy, having _some_ imaging capability is almost certainly better than having none.

  29. Any technology by Russ1642 · · Score: 1

    Make ANY medical technology cheap and portable and it'll save lives.

  30. Sonic Screwdriver by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can you sonic me, hunny?

  31. You can buy one today by olau · · Score: 1

    My gf had a baby last year so I actually went looking for this to see if you could buy them cheap from Hong Kong. As it turns out, you can in fact buy the USB gadget with the actual hardware, the problem is that you also need some software to do the imaging, and they generally sell that with a netbook in one ugly looking package. The cheapest online quote I found was something north of 8000-10000 USD.

    But you can buy it. So I don't think the hardware is actually the problem. It's just a question of the current customer base being doctors with lots of money to burn. I'm sure that if these were marketed with micro USB and an iPhone/Android app to pregnant consumers, the prices would be in the range 100-500 USD. Assuming ultrasound is not harmful if overdone, I actually think this could be good business. Prospective parents spend a lot of money on baby-related stuff.

  32. Quite contrary... by denzacar · · Score: 2

    Even with degraded accuracy, having _some_ imaging capability is almost certainly better than having none.

    Having "some" ultrasound diagnostic capability of questionably quality is WORSE than having none.

    First, you have to realize that the problem with ultrasound diagnostic is not in the lack of equipment.
    Its in the lack of experts. And you really need EXPERTS, not technicians. Why?

    Well, its the second thing - without years of expertise it is just a guessing game.
    And experts become experts after years of training and experience of ultrasound imaging and diagnostic - on a very specific part of the body.
    It's one of those "more art than science" things.
    They are looking at shadows and reflections from inside of a living, moving 3D object - trying to make out a detail which would indicate some possible medical condition for that particular region of the human body.

    Give a low capability device to someone with an "ultrasound course" and all you'll get is more faulty diagnoses, more "inconclusive" results and more work for the ultrasound specialists due to such ultrasounds.
    You might as well equip each doctor with a portable machine that goes "PING!".

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    1. Re:Quite contrary... by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      As a screening tool you worry about false negatives more then false positives and specific diagnosis.

      I'm talking about a tool that can say 'there is something wrong' before someone walks for days to go to a hospital. The experts are at the hospital.

      Like any forecasting tool, it's utility will be about not raising false alarms (which will get it ignored in the future) while not missing real problems.

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      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
  33. Cheap Does Not Mean Diagnostic by krisdickie · · Score: 2

    I have worked in this exact field for 12+ years (see www.ultrasonix.com) - started as a software developer, and now involved with internal/external research and product development for the past 5 years. What the article fails to mention is that, sure there are a lot of low cost options in the market, there always have been and always will be - but their diagnostic capabilities are so inferior, that to try and address problems like pregnancy complications may be pointless. Obstetrical ultrasound is one of the most in-depth examinations that sonography can provide, and I doubt that with current technology the article is referencing (@ $100) that anything diagnostic can be achieved to help save the lives. I.e. why waste money and training time on an inferior technology, when perfectly capable ones already exist for a relatively low price already when pegged against other imaging modalities such as CT/MR/PET, etc. To give an idea, a $10,000 system is a low-cost ultrasound device these days (article references GE's V-Scan and Siemens P10 that fall under this category). These devices can definitely help see the fetus and help with very specific diagnoses, but if I knew my wife was at risk of complications, I would be appalled if she were scanned with a device like this when getting screened, so I just can't imagine that $100 technology will provide anything useful, even in 3rd world. I do believe that we'll have a ~$1000 scanner on the market, that's smart-phone sized and will provide wonderful diagnostic images, but probably not for another 10 years or so. And even in this case, it would be limited to specific exams. It would be interesting if the Newcastle group disclosed more information on their proposed technology in any case - always looking forward to the future of looking inside our bodies!

  34. Obligatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1. Invent one of those ultrasound transponder chip thingies
    2. Bake it into the iPhone 6
    3. ??????
    4. Profit!!!!!!!!!!

  35. Spot on, buddy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As a sonographer of "medium seasoning", say 4-5 years of experience, you get it.

    No matter how cheap you make the tech, if you can't drive it it's not going to get you where you want to go. It may lead you well off in the wrong direction.

    Most doctors I work with (aside from radiologists of course) won't come near an ultrasound image to interpret it, nor will they touch the machine. Being able to perform a worthwhile sonogram typically requires 2 years of full time schooling, 75% of the time spend hands on scanning patients. Tack on another couple of years of practice, as mentioned above on a specific body part or area of focus, to have any real proficiency.

    Sorry you had to edit all those images, they seem to choose the oldest, crappiest possible for textbooks, and for the boards.

    1. Re:Spot on, buddy by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      Sorry you had to edit all those images, they seem to choose the oldest, crappiest possible for textbooks, and for the boards.

      Makes sense to me. Who knows what kind of instrument quality you'll find in the field. Best to know how to use and interpret results from old junk. If you get on a latest and greatest machine, that's a bonus.

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  36. Not just for pregnant mothers. by TheSwift · · Score: 2
    A useful hand-held US machine could assist in a variety of ways in the healthcare profession. It would mean that trained doctors without access to other, larger equipment (remote places) could reliably diagnose or rule out appendicitis (among many other disease processes). If paramedics were trained on the machine, they could quickly establish peripheral IV access to administer medication in life or death situations.

    I work an emergency department with an emergency physician who uses a "large, clunky US machine" to evaluate for countless disease processes quickly in pt's rooms. He and many other progressively minded physicians would jump at advances in this technology that would make it easier to use them to use.

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  37. Surprised doesn't seem to offer DICOM capabilities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    According to the Vscan Technical Manual, images are JPEG, movies are MPEG-4, and audio annotations are WAV, and I didn't find any references to a capability for DICOM support. Granted, these formats are probably the most convenient for and will probably serve the immediate needs of their likely target audience, but it would also be an obstacle to getting these files into an EHR. In addition, you (at least appear to) lose the benefits of embedded demographic and other metadata. Perhaps their intent is to follow-up at some point with DICOM support (probably in their Gateway software).

  38. How is this new? by cowtamer · · Score: 1

    These guys have been around for quite a while:

    http://www.telemed.lt/main_en.htm

  39. Ultrasound machines = awesome by 16Chapel · · Score: 1

    Strange to hear the current ultrasound machines being described as 'clunky' - the one at my (NHS) hospital where my wife got her scans was pretty awesome. The level of ergonomic & functional design that went into it was fantastic, and the operator knew exactly what she was doing. The machine had clearly been designed in collaboration with the end user, as it had e.g. cubby holes for gel bottles and all smooth easy-to-clean surfaces. The nurse had one hand on the scanner, and the other on a trackball with which she was marking up the images as she took them - the images zipped to the side of the screen in a nice thumbnail list as she took them, and everything worked really well.

    Considering how often bespoke technology workplace seems to be poorly thought out or just generic stuff pressed into service, I was very impressed.

  40. And noone mentions the other use for this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do a google search for Ultrasound Male Contraceptive.
    Apply to important regions, like a massage, and after a few massages, condoms are only to prevent disease.