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Austrian Skydiver Prepared to Leap From Edge of Space

Cutting_Crew writes "Austrian skydiver Felix Baumgartner will attempt a supersonic free fall on October 8th as the worlds highest skydive. According to the Christian Science Monitor 'The current record for world's highest skydive stands at 102,800 feet (31,333 m). It was set in 1960 by U.S. Air Force Captain Joe Kittinger, who serves as an adviser for Baumgartner's mission. If Baumgartner succeeds on Oct. 8, he will break not only that mark but also the sound barrier, becoming the first skydiver ever to fall at supersonic speeds, Red Bull Stratos officials said. During the July 25 jump, Baumgartner's top freefall speed was 537 mph (864 kph) — about as fast as a commercial airliner.' Let's hope that the weather on the 8th is as good as they hope for. It would be awesome to have a real time camera feed from his helmet."

97 comments

  1. My first thought was by MarkRose · · Score: 4, Funny

    That's one record that's sure to fall!

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    1. Re:My first thought was by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 5, Funny

      My first thought was: "Edge of space? I hope he doesn't cut his feet!"

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    2. Re:My first thought was by guttentag · · Score: 2

      My first thought was: "Edge of space? I hope he doesn't cut his feet!"

      The edge of space, you say? I hope he doesn't fall the wrong way! Which could very well happen since the edge of space is invisible and all.

    3. Re:My first thought was by busyqth · · Score: 1

      I'm just wondering when someone's going to try a base jump from the ISS....

    4. Re:My first thought was by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 4, Funny

      space has edges? oh, there's so much I don't know about astrophysics. why didn't I read that book by the wheelchair guy!

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    5. Re:My first thought was by Amouth · · Score: 3, Informative

      given the option i'd do it, same as a one way trip to mars

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    6. Re:My first thought was by r1348 · · Score: 1

      One centimeter too high, and he would just float away...

    7. Re:My first thought was by khallow · · Score: 0

      There's no reason for the one way trip from the ISS being as final as the one way trip to Mars.

    8. Re:My first thought was by LinuxIsGarbage · · Score: 1

      If you're given the option, do the base jump from ISS BEFORE the one way trip to mars.

    9. Re:My first thought was by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 2

      First tricky part is de-accelerating from orbital velocity.

    10. Re:My first thought was by skovnymfe · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't there be that whole issue with atmospheric re-entry and burning up, if you were to jump from the ISS?

    11. Re:My first thought was by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      I'm just wondering when someone's going to try a base jump from the ISS....

      All that lateral velocity is bound to make the experience a real blast...

    12. Re:My first thought was by lxs · · Score: 2

      Except for the whole burning up in the atmosphere part. Orbital velocity can be a PITA.

    13. Re:My first thought was by khallow · · Score: 1

      Except for the whole burning up in the atmosphere part. Orbital velocity can be a PITA.

      You might recall that the skydiver is allowed to bring a parachute so they don't have to die during each jump they make. The orbital equivalent would be something man-portable, perhaps a combination of heat shield ("thermal protection system") and parachute (something to slow you down without killing you). It's a tough engineering problem not an inevitable trip to the afterlife.

  2. and this proves what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    how stupid one can try to be and live to tell about it right?

    1. Re:and this proves what? by Alien+Being · · Score: 1

      I hope so.

  3. My mama always said... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "Stupid is as stupid does."

    1. Re:My mama always said... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes, she said that while sucking your little penis.

  4. make a wish by Eddy_D · · Score: 5, Funny

    I see a bright future for this man.

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    1. Re:make a wish by Grayhand · · Score: 0

      I see a bright future for this man.

      I'm sure he'll be a shooting star.

    2. Re:make a wish by Type44Q · · Score: 0

      I'm sure he'll be a shooting star.

      Great, more brilliant proposals that he jump from the ISS. :p

  5. Sonic Boom? by tomhath · · Score: 1

    Not sure I'd want to be that close to one. But maybe it'll be behind him. Or maybe he'll explode. We'll see.

    1. Re:Sonic Boom? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The air will be so thin when he's at that speed that the shock-wave will be negligible if not non-existant.

    2. Re:Sonic Boom? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As long as he goes head-first, he should be ok...except for the sudden stop at the end.

  6. I don't care for the EXTREME one-ups-manship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Kittinger was a pioneer and serving a purpose. He had an equipment failure and proceeded with the mission anyway. In silence at the edge of space he saw all the Earth at once.

    Half a century later, an energy drink company thinks they can put themselves in the same league as that by going higher? Maybe they should go to 31,334 meters just to be EXTREME dicks.

    1. Re:I don't care for the EXTREME one-ups-manship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      31,337 FTW!!!

    2. Re:I don't care for the EXTREME one-ups-manship by Alien+Being · · Score: 3, Funny

      0xDEADBEEF

    3. Re:I don't care for the EXTREME one-ups-manship by fifedrum · · Score: 2

      Kittinger is an actual hero. He should be celebrated up there with the pioneers of flight from the Wright brothers to the Astronauts in American history books, indeed world wide. He didn't just do it first. He did it first and he repeated multiple jumps. He suffered discomfort and injury. And he volunteered.

      His service after those jumps was just as hero worthy, hell, his life after retiring from the military, with the first solo Atlantic crossing and other records places him in the books, yet again.

      He's one of the last true aviation pioneers, if you ever get a chance to meet him in person, have him sign his own autobiography, it is an interesting read to say the least.

    4. Re:I don't care for the EXTREME one-ups-manship by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

      In defense of the energy drink company... most of the stunts they sponsor were from people who were going to do the stunt anyhow. They are just providing some cash to get it going in return for sticking their logo on it.

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    5. Re:I don't care for the EXTREME one-ups-manship by GLMDesigns · · Score: 1

      amen to that

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  7. are there two categories here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Those who live and those who die (but make a record never the less)!

  8. Dr Danger. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If a body breaks the sound barrier, will his limbs come off?

  9. Heh by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

    Let's hope that the weather on the 8th is as good as they hope for...

    I just hope that if he gets too hot during re-entry he can unzip his suit!

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    1. Re:Heh by mspohr · · Score: 1

      ... or open window

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    2. Re:Heh by Meshach · · Score: 1

      Let's hope that the weather on the 8th is as good as they hope for...

      I just hope that if he gets too hot during re-entry he can unzip his suit!

      Maybe there will be precipitation and rain will not be the only thing to fall.

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    3. Re:Heh by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      Maybe there will be precipitation and rain will not be the only thing to fall.

      You hoping for a golden rainshower? :p

  10. When the hell... by Ashenkase · · Score: 1

    are we EVER going to see video of ANY of his attempts? Does anyone have any links to ANY of his free falls? I know Red Bull wants to market the sh%t out of this but at least give us some spoilers.

  11. Austrian space program. by formfeed · · Score: 2

    If this attempt is successful Austria will reveal the other part of their space program:
    a vertical tunnel down the Grossglockner mountain with a bottle of propane at the bottom.

    1. Re:Austrian space program. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's always enough money for tunnels in Austria...

  12. Re:Dubious source by busyqth · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You went to the Christian Science Monitor to get the information on the current altitude record? You're going to get your statistics from the people who think dinosaurs and humans coexisted? Good luck with that.

    I don't think you know what Christian Science is.

  13. Good Luck! Dumbass! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So many cheaper ways to off yourself!

  14. Re:Dubious source by mordjah · · Score: 2

    Undo mod

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  15. Obligatory Link to Kittinger Footage Music Video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    One of my favorite music videos, Boards of Canada - Dayvan Cowboy, starts out with footage from Kittinger's 1960 jump:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrBZeWjGjl8

  16. It'd be awesome to have a real time camera feed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Good luck with that, Red Bull haven't released any of the footage for the warm up jumps other than a few teasers, let alone streaming/televising a dangerous stunt (for want of a better word) live.

    If anything went wrong their corporate image would take a big knock so I assume they'll wait until they know it's a success before announcing it and then they'll probably see how they can best 'monetize' the footage.

  17. Can a body take it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think bigger issues than breaking the record, are the capabilities of the human body

    1) How will the human body cope with the insane pressure and temperature buildups at his head (assuming here he's going to go head first)
    2) I'm assuming he'll have a regulated air supply of some kind, but how will this be affected by 1
    3) etc

    captcha: ascender

    1. Re:Can a body take it by Grayhand · · Score: 1

      I think bigger issues than breaking the record, are the capabilities of the human body

      1) How will the human body cope with the insane pressure and temperature buildups at his head (assuming here he's going to go head first) 2) I'm assuming he'll have a regulated air supply of some kind, but how will this be affected by 1 3) etc

      captcha: ascender

      Actually the stresses would be roughly the same as the one back in the 60's. The real stress isn't in the upper stratosphere it's as the atmosphere thickens so going further out wouldn't add to the stresses. Terminal velocity still applies so he will max out before he hits maximum stress. Really the limiting factor is the Van Allen Belt. Odds are the suit he's using wouldn't be enough and he'd cook but it starts at a 1,000 kilometers so he won't even be close to it.

    2. Re:Can a body take it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Breaking the sound barrier in air that thin is cheating

  18. Re:Dubious source by Eseell · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The CSM has only financial links to Christian Science, and generally has better science journalism than the mainstream media. That isn't a particularly high bar to clear, but don't let the name put you off.

  19. Austria! Well, then. G'day mate! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Let's put another shrimp on the barbie!

    1. Re:Austria! Well, then. G'day mate! by FBeans · · Score: 1

      You have 0 score. I'm sure if the people with the mod points weren't so 'dumb and dumber', you'd probably have a few more!

  20. Sure to make an impact! by CuteSteveJobs · · Score: 2

    > "It would be awesome to have a real time camera feed from his helmet."

    Hopefully out of respect to his family the news channels will edit out the last minute.

    1. Re:Sure to make an impact! by phme · · Score: 1

      As long as they leave the sound on:

      "And wow! Hey! What’s this thing suddenly coming towards me very fast? Very very fast. So big and flat and round, it needs a big wide sounding name like ow ound round ground! That’s it! That’s a good name – ground!
      I wonder if it will be friends with me?"

      And the rest, after a sudden wet thud, was silence.

  21. Sad, IP even touched this story by rolfwind · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What's sad is at the end of the story:

    Baumgartner and his team had originally hoped to attempt the record jump in 2010, but they were delayed by a legal challenge that claimed the idea of the dive was suggested to Red Bull by California promoter Daniel Hogan. That lawsuit has been settled out of court, and the mission is moving forward.

    God, we really built an entitlement society. People now think that a concept farts out of their brain, that it must be a) unique and b) theirs for all eternity. Now it seems the old adage of "Genius: one percent inspiration and 99 percent perspiration" should be changed to "Genius: one percent inspiration. Sue the suckers who put in the 99 percent perspiration."

    1. Re:Sad, IP even touched this story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously? This is how it has always been. You build up yourself and then pay shit to the person under you doing all the work.

    2. Re:Sad, IP even touched this story by TheLink · · Score: 1

      Yeah, ideas are a dime a dozen. I can come up with hundreds or thousands of ideas.

      Remember that self inflating tyre thing? That's definitely an innovative idea. But the tricky thing? Building a tyre that self-inflates, and still is as safe, long-lasting, etc as a current tyre. You have to figure out how to self-inflate but still not pump too much water into the tyre in very wet weather. And test to make sure everything works fine even after thousands of miles of potholes and bumps. And test to see that when it fails it doesn't fail too badly.

      Pretty easy to go: "transporter" or "warp drive". Building one is a whole different thing. From what I see the patent docs never have all the details required, so the justification for patents that a patent helps others build it later is bullshit.

      They should only pay that Daniel Hogan guy on condition he does the jump- but with no help from them. He has to arrange it all himself.

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    3. Re:Sad, IP even touched this story by triclipse · · Score: 2

      One percent perspiration, 99% litigation.

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    4. Re:Sad, IP even touched this story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Or even simpler: "Genius: one percent inspiration and 99 percent ligitation"

  22. Just don't jump up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You might land on the moon. Thats some SILLY HEIGHT to be dropping from.

  23. Re:Dubious source by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    I don't think you know what Christian Science is.

    Sounds like an oxymoron to me.

  24. Dooooo Iiiiiiittttt! by Impish · · Score: 1

    C'mon, who could possibly say this isn't cool? As far as I can tell it is 100% useless (somebody please tell me how this will further science) but damn, given the opportunity, who wouldn't?

    1. Re:Dooooo Iiiiiiittttt! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Me. I prefer to spend my last few decades on Terra Firma & go out with a whimper, not a bang!

  25. SNL Reference by WinstonWolfIT · · Score: 1

    In future news, Felix Baumgartner dead at age 43.

  26. How is less than 1/3 to Kármán line the by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1
  27. Eaten by secret Nazi space sharks over Austria by leftie · · Score: 1

    Nobody told Baumgartner about the Secret Nazi Space Shark lab still in low orbit over Germany near the Austrian border.

    1. Re:Eaten by secret Nazi space sharks over Austria by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everyone knows they're on the dark side of the moon.

  28. Phree Phall 2 Urph by ozonearchitect · · Score: 0

    he's unna pulla edge o' space time warble & do a Jodie Foster Contact to another dimension & get stuck a few minutes before free falling back to da urph but nobody will believe him.

  29. CSM has a good reputation for scientific journalsm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I am obliged to say, as a devout atheist and sometime christian-bater, that CSM actually has pretty good science journalism. They're nothing to do with scientologists, if that's what you were thinking of

  30. Wait a minute! by PPH · · Score: 1

    If he jumps out over Australia, won't he be going the wrong way?

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  31. Re:Dubious source by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm sorry but the name does put me off, science is science, as soon as you put Christian in front of it, to me at least it is no longer proper science. It raises connotations that it is "science" with religious overtones. On principle I stay away from any religion, Christian or not.

  32. iron man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    has tony stark been consulted about this?

  33. you'd have to jump REALLY hard by Immerman · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It would be a cool way to commit suicide, I'll give you that.

    The ISS is 230 miles up and you'd fall most of the way in vacuum, gaining 2.6kJ/kg of kinetic energy - meaning you'd be going around mach 7 when you hit the atmosphere With a good enough wing suit you *might* be able to spend enough time decelerating in the far upper atmosphere to avoid incinerating on reentry.

    But to actually jump from the ISS you *start out* moving at 17,000mph(mach 22) - to reach the Earth you'd have to jump hard enough to neutralize enough of that velocity so that your new orbit intersected the atmosphere, but 200 miles is a fairly minor adjustment to a 4000-mile orbit, you might only need to shed a mach number or so, which you'd get back with interest as you fell. At that kind of speed you need to go to pretty extreme lengths to slow down - either a seriously large sturdy wing that can keep you in the far upper atmosphere shedding speed for a long time, or a serious heat shield. And I think either of those probably disqualify it from being considered a base jump.

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    1. Re:you'd have to jump REALLY hard by SternisheFan · · Score: 1

      It would be a cool way to commit suicide, I'll give you that.

      Here's a story about a woman who wasn't suicidal, she jumped 990 feet base jumping, which did her in. This guy jumping from orbit will most likely live. Go figure. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/sweden/9548436/Pregnant-base-jumper-died-instantly-after-freefalling-990ft-on-final-leap.html

    2. Re:you'd have to jump REALLY hard by Immerman · · Score: 1

      Read more carefully - the likely suicide part would be re-entry. This guy is NOT jumping from orbit - he's jumping from near-orbital altitude, which is a COMPLETELY different thing. Being at low-Earth orbit altitude you have a ton of potential energy that will be translated into speed (kinetic energy) as you fall to the surface. Actually being in orbit means you *start out* with roughly 10x as much kinetic energy as that potential energy - which translates to hypersonic speeds. Shedding that much energy before you hit the lower atmosphere and incinerate is a *major* challenge, probably one not possible without extensive aerodynamic hardware.

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    3. Re:you'd have to jump REALLY hard by SternisheFan · · Score: 1
      Does this stunt HAVE to be done? I mean, if he lives, yes he gets the record for highest jump with hi tech protective equipment. If he dies, he's wasted his life over a stunt that HE DIDN'T HAVE TO DO!

      It's kind of like using steroids to enhance your sport playing ability. Should your records truly count, or should there be an asterix after his name.

      I hope he makes it unhurt and all. I don't see how it's worth risking your life for.

    4. Re:you'd have to jump REALLY hard by LongearedBat · · Score: 1

      Well... base jumping doesn't require that you land, just that you jump from a great altitude. And the highest base I can think of is a space base. I mean, that's just poetic.

  34. Next Time, Do It In A Wingsuit! by Greyfox · · Score: 1
    And be the first guy to travel to another continent with your wingsuit!

    Well probably not. I reckon you'd probably lose a lot of altitude before you could get any air under your wings. You'd have a fuck-ton of air speed to play with once you did, though! Maybe you could make the jump across the Bering Strait or the English Channel. I think it'd suck to try to work a wingsuit around a bulky-ass spacesuit, but it would be a pretty cool jump! And I won't sue you if you steal my idea!

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    1. Re:Next Time, Do It In A Wingsuit! by the_other_chewey · · Score: 1

      Actually, the same guy has already done the English Channel by wingsuit.

  35. not supersonic by dutchwhizzman · · Score: 2

    The speed he will be falling at will be higher than what would result to "supersonic" speed at ground level. However, with the thin atmosphere being so thin high up, he will not actually reach the speed of sound.

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    1. Re:not supersonic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Actually the speed of sound only depends on temperature. The higher the temperature, the higher the speed of sound. he speed of sound DECREASES up to the tropopause (usually between 25000 and 35000 feet) after which it slowly increases in the stratosphere, but not quite up to sea level temperature.
      So if you fly a speed in m/s that's faster than sound at sea level it will certainly be faster anywhere else below 50km.

    2. Re:not supersonic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is a common misconception. The speed of sound does change with altitude, but is more commonly expressed as a function of the temperature: sqrt(gamma*R*T)
      So sonic velocity falls as you move up through the troposphere, but then increases again through the stratosphere. The reduction in density with altitude just means that the drag force he experiences decreases with altitude, allowing him to reach a higher 'terminal' velocity at altitude - supersonic in this case, if all goes as planned. As he descends further, density and drag force increase, so his descent velocity will decrease to subsonic again.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_sound#Speed_in_ideal_gases_and_in_air

  36. Re:Dubious source by FishTankX · · Score: 1

    This may be flame bait, but i'm pretty sure Newton was one of the most fanatical (I'm pretty sure today he would be regarded as a Christian Fundie) scientists in the world. And yet, his advancements are extremely important to our modern understanding of the earth. Just because some people may have ulterior motives for pushing a particular theory doesn't mean all contributions they make to science are instantly invalidated.

  37. Re:Dubious source by TheLink · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sounds to me like you're staying away from religion for religious reasons ;).

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  38. Nesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nesting

  39. Fat chance by Viol8 · · Score: 1

    They'll probably release 10 seconds of it and the rest you have to pay $$$ for the DVD. The fact that they're making a big thing out of it but giving away nothing I suspect means they'll find people giving them the finger when they actually try and sell any footage.

  40. Re:Dubious source by Viol8 · · Score: 2

    Newton didn't peddle his science as part of his religion. A rather important difference.

  41. go out with a bang by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    a sure way to, "go out with a bang".

  42. Re:Dubious source by Q-Hack! · · Score: 2

    Newton didn't peddle his science as part of his religion. A rather important difference.

    Actually, quite the opposite it true. Much of his writings center around the notion that a monotheistic God is the masterful creator whose existence could not be denied in the face of the grandeur of all creation. --plagiarizer from the Wikipedia on Newton's views of religion.

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  43. Re:Dubious source by Hillgiant · · Score: 1

    Perhaps he gave up religion for Lent?

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  44. typical weeny responses from slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if this dude wants to throw his huge balls into space and risk life and limb do us all a favor and reserve your chickenshit comments for your morning stuart smalley pep talks. this guy is a hero. now get back to your sitcoms.

  45. Ob by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    If Baumgartner succeeds on Oct. 8, he will break not only that mark but also the sound barrier.

    ... and if he fails, he'll break every bone in his body.

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  46. Re:Dubious source by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1

    Yup. Newton was, for example, quite clear on his belief that the only thing keeping every thing in the cosmos from eventually glomming together due to gravity was God occassionally making an adjustment. He was also quite taken with alchemy.

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  47. it's true then.... by tfrasher · · Score: 1

    ....Red Bull does give you wings

  48. Re:Dubious source by RudyHartmann · · Score: 1

    Christian Science is like Grape Nuts. It ain't Science and they ain't nuts.

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  49. Re:How is less than 1/3 to Kármán line t by mcgrew · · Score: 1

    Nah, it's 88.3 Mz!