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Microsoft Patents 1826 Choropleth Map Technique

theodp writes "A newly-granted Microsoft patent for Variable Formatting of Cells covers the use of 'variable formatting for cells in computer spreadsheets, tables, and other documents', such as using the spectrum from a first color to a second color to represent the values in or associated with each cell. Which is really not a heck of a lot different from how Baron Pierre Charles Dupin created what's believed to be the first choropleth map way back in 1826, when he used shadings from black to white to illustrate the distribution and intensity of illiteracy in France. By the way, beginning in March, the U.S. will switch from a first-to-invent to a first-to-file system of granting patents. Hey, what could go wrong?"

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  1. I reject your patent, M$. by Yuff · · Score: 5, Interesting

    How can We The People put an end to this nonsense? They are not patenting, so much as stealing. How can we petition the US PTO to have a patent re-examined and to have the a$$wipe who accepted the patent application be fired for incompetence?

    1. Re:I reject your patent, M$. by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 2, Funny

      How? I don't know, how many US Senators do you own?

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    2. Re:I reject your patent, M$. by X0563511 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The patent is on how to do it with a computer; which is a different thing.

      No, it isn't.

      This is why we can't have nice things.

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    3. Re:I reject your patent, M$. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If that patent actually contained source code, maybe you'd have a point. It likely doesn't though.

    4. Re:I reject your patent, M$. by localman · · Score: 2

      Please tell me this is an example of Poe's law. Please.

      I "invented" this years before they did. There are no technical details that are not obvious to a person having ordinary skill in the art.

    5. Re:I reject your patent, M$. by fustakrakich · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How can We The People put an end to this nonsense?

      Haven't you heard? It's legal to vote the incumbents out.. The 98% of voters and the folks complaining here who reelect these people ought to try it some time. The results might surprise them, pleasantly or otherwise, but until they make a feeble effort at it, they can't possibly know.

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    6. Re:I reject your patent, M$. by tolkienfan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The patent system grants monopolies on machines in order to encourage people to put in the effort to invent. They are supposed to have time to earn back the money spent inventing.
      This patent covers something which isn't new, and probably cost more to patent than to "invent" since it already existed.
      It also doesn't achieve any if the original goals of the patent system.

      And just because someone takes an existing method and patents executing it on a computer that doesn't make it new or novel or worthy of protection.

    7. Re:I reject your patent, M$. by Entropius · · Score: 2

      Grandparent is being snarky, satirizing all of the patents for "X on a computer!" or "X on the internet!", where X is a well-known thing.

    8. Re:I reject your patent, M$. by DM9290 · · Score: 1

      The patent is on how to do it with a computer; which is a different thing.

      yeah cuz its so hard to do things with a computer.

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    9. Re:I reject your patent, M$. by wierd_w · · Score: 1

      ... how is this semantically different from the "X with a digital clock!" And "X with a built in radio!" That happened in the 70s and 80s?

      Didn't it get shown that simply adding (random X) to (Known product Y) does not constitute a new invention?

    10. Re:I reject your patent, M$. by qweqazqsc · · Score: 2

      There are multiple processes available to kill this patent (reexamination, post-grant review, inter partes review). However, they are all fairly expensive.

      We are talking the government here. Mistake happen. If we are gutting the government for incompetence, the PTO is really not my top concern.

    11. Re:I reject your patent, M$. by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 3, Funny

      Hey, give them a break!
        They're running it on Windows, after all.....

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    12. Re:I reject your patent, M$. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's the old calculus: X+(known product Y) = (known product XY) and you only pay for the X component. With the new
      "math" they can do this: (known product Y)+(new patent) = 0 and so: (new patent) = - (known product Y).

    13. Re:I reject your patent, M$. by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Expensive?

      http://patents.stackexchange.com/

      Knock yourself out.

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    14. Re:I reject your patent, M$. by sonamchauhan · · Score: 1

      Quick: someone tell the IPhone 'Flashlight app' guy to patent his amazing invention ... its done with a computer.

      Reminds me of a cartoon where a hobo looks in amazement at a neighbouring hobo with a sign saying 'beggar.com' and a queue of banker-types lined up to give him money.

    15. Re:I reject your patent, M$. by chrismcb · · Score: 1, Insightful

      No, it isn't.

      This is why we can't have nice things.

      You HAVE nice things.

    16. Re:I reject your patent, M$. by Inf0phreak · · Score: 2

      No. The patent system grants monopolies in order to encourage people to share the knowledge that goes into the things they invent. The fact that there is money to be had from licensing patents is an incentive against people locking up their inventions as trade secrets that die with their inventors.

      Of course with software patents that sort of doesn't work because you can keep the actual implementation of your idea under wraps, so society doesn't really benefit much from granting a monopoly in this case.

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    17. Re:I reject your patent, M$. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Now instead of attacking a drug you cherry picked, try attacking something like insulin.

    18. Re:I reject your patent, M$. by tolkienfan · · Score: 2

      Sharing was also a goal, true.
      But without an invention there isn't anything to share.
      It's not terribly relevant considering it wasn't secret to begin with.

    19. Re:I reject your patent, M$. by tolkienfan · · Score: 1

      Actually, the patent is supposed to give enough detail that someone else can implement it.
      Of course, there is so much legalese and obfuscation that the inventor may not even understand it.

    20. Re:I reject your patent, M$. by Phil06 · · Score: 2

      Back in the 80s I wrote a tip that was published in PC Magazine showing how to trick the new Excel spreadsheet program into having conditional color formatting, they later added this as a feature. Where are my royalties!

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    21. Re:I reject your patent, M$. by oursland · · Score: 1

      That's a great argument against ever trying to improve the status quo.

    22. Re:I reject your patent, M$. by Mathinker · · Score: 1

      I think he meant better things, but it didn't have the same linguistic punch.

    23. Re:I reject your patent, M$. by cyclomedia · · Score: 1

      Yeah and I'd go further than that what with the fact that a LOT of things are software and a lot of other things are "a chip"... Take for example the iPhone, we had touch screen PDAs for at least a decade before that, yet apple just* stuff in a GSM chip and suddenly it's a new invention?!

      Someone takes a phone and stuffs in a CCD chip ... Someone takes a camera and stuffs in a wifi chip.... Someone takes a TV and adds an RJ45 socket and an IP stack...

      This is NOT invention. This is digital Lego

      * yes yes, antenna, sim card, etc, but you get the idea = Modules

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    24. Re:I reject your patent, M$. by hankwang · · Score: 1

      There are multiple processes available to kill this patent (reexamination, post-grant review, inter partes review). However, they are all fairly expensive.

      Normally, a patent application is published 18 months after filing, well before the patent is granted. Why do I never read here about attacking silly patents when they are still an application?

      About this patent: when I saw the slashdot summary, I hoped that it was a bit exaggerated and that the patent claims actually were much more narrow. But no, the essential part of claim 1 is actually:

      A computer-implemented method for formatting a range of cells according to a spectrum of cell formats, .... for each respective value between the minimum value and the maximum value, causing a processor to apply, to the cells of each respective value, a respective cell format ....

      In plain English: automatic color-mapping cells based on a range of numeric values corresponding to a range of colors. To me, this sounds rather obvious: I did once search for such a feature in Excel (or was it LibreOffice?) and was irritated that I had to make a verbose list of conditional formatting (if value > 0 and < 1, then green; if value >=1and <2, then cyan, etc.).

      But apart from the question of obviousness, which is a bit subjective, I wonder whether the claims cannot be attacked directly for unambiguous prior art. The word 'cell' does not seem to be defined strictly as applying to spreadsheet cells, since the patent summary talks about "cells in spreadsheets, tables, and other computer documents", where the term "document" is not defined. If e.g. MatLab files or finite-element model files can be considered as a special kind of documents, that would immediately invalidate claim 1.

      Unfortunately, if you invalidate claim 1, the following claims may still be valid. They treat cases where the numerical value of a cell is not color-coded, but e.g. as little bar or pie charts.

    25. Re:I reject your patent, M$. by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      How can we petition the US PTO to have a patent re-examined

      The simple answer is to sue to have it invalidated. If someone wants to do so I have some prior art from not that long ago that should invalidate their patent. It even has colored cells, although not in a spreadsheet fashion, but does use the value for a cell and start and end color transitions. As an added bonus it is date and time stamped by a reputable source. I have a really crappy one that stated going towards this from even earlier but yet still provides useful information.

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    26. Re:I reject your patent, M$. by Theaetetus · · Score: 1

      Grandparent is being snarky, satirizing all of the patents for "X on a computer!" or "X on the internet!", where X is a well-known thing.

      The ones that don't exist?

  2. Time to return to 13 yr patent 17 yr copyright by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It is time to go back to a 13 year patent and 17 year copyright cycle, with a renewal of patent available only to a Natural Person (e.g. not a fictional Corporation) holding a patent for one period, and with copyright renewable only by the Natural Person who authored the work, in 17 year periods, assignable to one spouse, children or heirs (other than Fictional Persons such as Corporations), until said person is deceased for three years.

    If it worked for our founding fathers, who didn't have the Internet, and thus had longer lag times, it should work for America.

    Exisiting patent and copyright grants should be allowed to conclude their grant cycle, provided it is less than or equal to said period, with the holder reverting to the Natural Person at the expiry of such lease. But not created and renewed.

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    1. Re:Time to return to 13 yr patent 17 yr copyright by b4dc0d3r · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "If it worked for our founding fathers..." is a terrible argument. Even when you're trying to say that things get old faster so they same time period is effectively longer.

      I take the opinion that most of the copyright-based industries are actually false economies. They have built up a business model based on the scarcity of a tangible object (vinyl or paper), and expect to continue that via artificial scarcity. It doesn't make any sense.

      The duration argument has already been made. Optimum length for a copyright for both the owner and society as a whole is 14-17 years, depending on who you ask. It has nothing to do with the circumstances long ago. We adjust as times change.

      http://arstechnica.com/uncategorized/2007/07/research-optimal-copyright-term-is-14-years/

    2. Re:Time to return to 13 yr patent 17 yr copyright by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Maybe just abolish the system altogether and replace it with nothing.

      http://levine.sscnet.ucla.edu/general/intellectual/against.htm

    3. Re:Time to return to 13 yr patent 17 yr copyright by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Agreed, with the exception of the "Natural Person" language. "Person" should cover it quite nicely. And we can reinforce the point by sending anyone--particularly, but not exclusively, any judge or politician--who claims that corporations are people to labor camps in some American version of Siberia, say North Dakota, where they will be clothed in rags, housed in huts, fed on gruel, and worked to the edge of death. When their sentences are up, we can ask them if they understand the difference between corporations and people yet.

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    4. Re:Time to return to 13 yr patent 17 yr copyright by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Both arguments work. But the insanity of continuing with our out of control system is just that - insanity.

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    5. Re:Time to return to 13 yr patent 17 yr copyright by westlake · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It is time to go back to a 13 year patent and 17 year copyright cycle, with a renewal of patent available only to a Natural Person (e.g. not a fictional Corporation) holding a patent for one period, and with copyright renewable only by the Natural Person who authored the work.

      Say goodbye to the corporate research lab pioneered by Edison, Steinmetz, Westinghouse. How much of a debt does the geek owe to AT&T and Bell Labs, Xerox and PARC?

      The geek doesn't like to see himself as a small part of some larger corporate entity.

      But in the real world that is how the big jobs get done.

    6. Re:Time to return to 13 yr patent 17 yr copyright by retchdog · · Score: 1

      i don't disagree, but isn't 13 years of patent implicitly much longer now than it was then? i mean, it would take years for an invention to be produced in any quantity and finally make it across a few states. since an invention can nowadays be fabbed up within a week and sold in millions within a month, i'd say that the patent term, adjusted for production and innovation rate, should be on the order of months.

      however there is perhaps greater risk today (there isn't, but then again we've also become much more risk-averse), so maybe we should be generous and leave the patent term at a year (with extension for a second year), at least for software and electronics.

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    7. Re:Time to return to 13 yr patent 17 yr copyright by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

      I am sorry, but ACs are clearly not Natural Persons and thus have no say in either Copyright or Patent.

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    8. Re:Time to return to 13 yr patent 17 yr copyright by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

      After long thought, I am not going to agree to allowing AIs, ACs, Cyborgs (we have a cool seminar on advanced robotics and remote imaging this Thursday at 3:30 pm), or Robots to be included.

      Or Corporations.

      But I like your idea of a Gulag for Corporate Believers.

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    9. Re:Time to return to 13 yr patent 17 yr copyright by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

      True. Good argument. Time to market, time for distribution, even the money markets work faster in venture financing than they used to.

      However, I think sticking with a base 13 and base 17 cycle grants us a reasonable time period. When looking at pharmaceuticals, and medical devices, the human trials period can be many years in duration.

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    10. Re:Time to return to 13 yr patent 17 yr copyright by DMUTPeregrine · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Corporations are Soylent Green.
      Made of people is not the same as people.

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    11. Re:Time to return to 13 yr patent 17 yr copyright by Dishevel · · Score: 1

      Well while I see your point on the whole "Corp as a Person" thing it started out so that a company could own property so that it could continue on and it made growth and continuance easier.
      Just removing person hood from corporations would be bad. You have to change the law so that corporations can own property.
      Then I would want every company to have a "person responsible" for the company. this is a person who...
      A) Makes the largest percentage of the companies profit or its largest salary.
      or
      B) The person who has control over the company as a whole.

      This person would be the one to go to prison or be put to death for the crimes of "The Company".

      Then you can yank person hood from companies.

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    12. Re:Time to return to 13 yr patent 17 yr copyright by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 1

      Just removing person hood from corporations would be bad. You have to change the law so that corporations can own property.

      That's what the law always said, at least until the idea of corporate personhood was invented. Corporations are legal entities to which we grant certain privileges, some of which happen to correspond to the rights of people: owning property, signing contracts, etc. Corporate personhood is a completely unnecessary addition.

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    13. Re:Time to return to 13 yr patent 17 yr copyright by retchdog · · Score: 2

      yeah, patent term should scale with how regulated the industry is. pharma is an extreme outlier and should be handled separately.

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    14. Re:Time to return to 13 yr patent 17 yr copyright by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Say goodbye to the corporate research lab pioneered by Edison, Steinmetz, Westinghouse.

      We already have.

      How much of a debt does the geek owe to AT&T and Bell Labs, Xerox and PARC?

      See above. Time to stop dreaming about the glory days, because they're gone and not coming back.

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    15. Re:Time to return to 13 yr patent 17 yr copyright by ultranova · · Score: 1

      And we can reinforce the point by sending anyone--particularly, but not exclusively, any judge or politician--who claims that corporations are people to labor camps in some American version of Siberia, say North Dakota, where they will be clothed in rags, housed in huts, fed on gruel, and worked to the edge of death. When their sentences are up, we can ask them if they understand the difference between corporations and people yet.

      So basically, you're saying that anyone who thinks that corporations are (legal) persons should be sent to concentration camps?

      Do you get paid by corporations? Because you certainly sound like a discredit shill. You, and all like you - whether you're paid or just plain evil - are part of the problem. The problem being that humans are willing to do bad things to other humans in the name of profits, ideology, religion, or whatever. And when they do, you? You're right there, waving cheerfully as the newest bunch of victims is shipped off. Fuck you.

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    16. Re:Time to return to 13 yr patent 17 yr copyright by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

      Interesting point. Yet, when we allow exemptions and exceptions, we find that they are always used as justification to extend more exemptions and exceptions to other non-worthy classes.

      Better to keep to a Golden Mean, or median, and let the chaff fall by the wayside.

      Other countries get along with far shorter periods for their pharma and medical patents.

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    17. Re:Time to return to 13 yr patent 17 yr copyright by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 2

      I hate to have to be the one to inform you of this, but corporations were invented by the Romans for the purpose of being considered a person under the law. "Corporations are people" has been the quick legal definition of what a corporation is for over two thousand years.

      I hate to have to be the one to inform you of this, but asserting a thing doesn't make it so. Evidence?

      This is why the founding fathers used language like "Natural Persons" to distinguish living people from fictional legal entities.

      When and where did they do that, exactly? The phrase doesn't appear anywhere in the Declaration of Independence or in the Constitution. OTOH, the latter document refers to "person," "persons," and "people" repeatedly, with no indication whatsoever that these words are supposed to refer to anything other than actual living, breathing human beings.

      Protip: don't be this guy.

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    18. Re:Time to return to 13 yr patent 17 yr copyright by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 1

      I was mostly joking. No, I don't seriously want to throw them in gulags, if for no other reason than that countries which do such things tend to be pretty crappy places to live. I do, however, quite seriously think that acceptance of the doctrine of corporate personhood ought to be a deal-breaker for anyone seeking judgeship or elected office.

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    19. Re:Time to return to 13 yr patent 17 yr copyright by retchdog · · Score: 1

      bullshit. different fields have different timescales. yes, there are dangers involved, but what we have now is totally broken. two of your patent generations ago i was using a fucking commodore 64.

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    20. Re:Time to return to 13 yr patent 17 yr copyright by retchdog · · Score: 1

      to clarify, shortening the term is just one solution.

      the other solution is to be much more vigilant in terms of prior art and non-obviousness. this will never happen, so adjusting the terms is all we have left.

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    21. Re:Time to return to 13 yr patent 17 yr copyright by MrL0G1C · · Score: 2

      Optimum length for a copyright for both the owner and society as a whole is 14-17 years

      There is a very terrible downside to your argument, that is, 1980's music would become free, perhaps an exception clause for that decade should be built in.

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    22. Re:Time to return to 13 yr patent 17 yr copyright by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

      If it worked for our founding fathers, who didn't have the Internet, and thus had longer lag times, it should work for America.

      Yep; And flintlock muskets worked pretty well for our founding fathers, who didn't have the Internet, so they should be all America today needs too, right?

      Well, there are marauding bands of wild turkeys endangering the Mid-West and South, but them's make good eating.

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    23. Re:Time to return to 13 yr patent 17 yr copyright by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      After long thought, I am not going to agree to allowing AIs, ACs, Cyborgs

      What do you have against cyborgs, you insensitive clod? You would restrict my rights just because I'm not 100% human? You must not realize that there's a good chance you have a grandparent who is a cyborg. I'm a cyborg because of a device implanted in my left eye that gives me better vision than yours. Other cyborgs have pacemakers, artificial joints, and cochlear implants.

      You will be assimilated. Especially if you're a runner (dumbest possible form of excersize) -- you'll need new knees and hips before you reach my age.

    24. Re:Time to return to 13 yr patent 17 yr copyright by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

      My knees are perfectly fine.

      Mild to moderate exercise is the key, however.

      None of my grandparents were cyborgs, they just had good DNA.

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    25. Re:Time to return to 13 yr patent 17 yr copyright by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      There is a very terrible downside to your argument, that is, 1980's music would become free, perhaps an exception clause for that decade should be built in.

      Although I appreciate teh humor, I must pedantically point out that every decade has had shitty music. 70s? Disco, for example... but then again, that was the decade of Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd. The 80s music only seemed worse than disco because you were watching empty-v, who played the worst music on the planet.

      If I were going to pick the decade of the shittiest music, I'd pick 2000-2010. I've heard very little new music this century that doesn't suck donkey balls.

  3. First-to-file isn't a problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    By the way, beginning in March, the U.S. will switch from a first-to-invent to a first-to-file system of granting patents. Hey, what could go wrong?"

    The entire rest of the world works just fine using first-to-file for patents. The US is an anomaly with first-to-invent.

    1. Re:First-to-file isn't a problem by ThatsMyNick · · Score: 4, Informative

      Exactly. Prior art is still considered when awarding a patent. If the map really is prior art, the patent can be invalidated (through courts or through the patent office). What first-to-file solves is having two inventors almost simultaneously filling for a patent. They may have never heard of each others work, and it becomes difficult to find who really invented it first. The only sane thing is to award it to the first person to file.

    2. Re:First-to-file isn't a problem by reebmmm · · Score: 2

      Agreed. First-to-file is a bit of a misnomer. It's more like a first-inventor-to-file regime. If anything, the first-inventor-regime is actually more protective because it has an absolute novelty requirement. If someone else publishes before you file, you get nothing. You get no grace period over someone else publishing, using or marketing an invention -- you do get a grace period with respect to your own publication.

      There is not going to be a rush to the patent office to file a patent on sex.

    3. Re:First-to-file isn't a problem by Narrowband · · Score: 1

      Thanks, this is actually pretty informative. I had actually been thinking over the implications of a first to file system in the sense of truly first to file, without prior art being considered... and taking out a patent on "a process of generating heat by igniting combustible materials" (read: inventing fire) was starting to sound appealling.

      I was in the process of thinking up arguments for defending the invention on grounds that wasn't obvious (whole generations of early man probably lived without it) and that nobody had yet filed a claim on it, when I read your post.

    4. Re:First-to-file isn't a problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Get rid of them all. Time for new system: First to sue!

    5. Re:First-to-file isn't a problem by Drishmung · · Score: 4, Insightful
      You appear to inhabit a different dimension to mine, for in mine, first to invent seems to most benefit big, rich corporations. Are you arguing that the current system is NOT broken? Are you arguing that 'first to file' as used everywhere else in the world is better than 'first to invent'? The evidence for this is?

      The patent system is broken. Making 'first to file' is not going to fix the whole thing. It probably won't make any significant difference (other changes are needed as well), but it won't make it any worse or any more corrupt.

      Start by throwing out business process patents, then software patents. That will fix a lot. I'm almost persuaded that we should just abolish patents altogether, because I don't see much economic justification for them. Are the big companies, at least the ones that actually make something, going to stop innovating because of a lack of patents? Really? REALLY?

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    6. Re:First-to-file isn't a problem by ultranova · · Score: 2

      If the map really is prior art, the patent can be invalidated (through courts or through the patent office). What first-to-file solves is having two inventors almost simultaneously filling for a patent.

      /blockquoteA>

      If two inventors simultanously apply for the same patent, shouldn't it be denied of the basis of obviousness?

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    7. Re:First-to-file isn't a problem by Desler · · Score: 2

      Yeah because first-to-invent has really stopped all those megacorps from getting tons of patents, right?

    8. Re:First-to-file isn't a problem by codepigeon · · Score: 1

      > the patent can be invalidated (through courts or through the patent office)

      Sooo, with the first to file system, it is not only first-to-file, but first-to-file-with-the-most-money to tie you up in years of litigation before you give up. Sounds great.

    9. Re:First-to-file isn't a problem by greenbird · · Score: 1

      What first-to-file solves is having two inventors almost simultaneously filling for a patent. They may have never heard of each others work, and it becomes difficult to find who really invented it first. The only sane thing is to award it to the first person to file.

      Huh. I would have thought the only thing to do in that case is to reject the patent as obvious to someone skilled in the art. But I guess that's just me.

      [shakes head in amazement] What have we gotten to...

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    10. Re:First-to-file isn't a problem by catmistake · · Score: 2

      By the way, beginning in March, the U.S. will switch from a first-to-invent to a first-to-file system of granting patents. Hey, what could go wrong?"

      The entire rest of the world works just fine using first-to-file for patents. The US is an anomaly with first-to-invent.

      The only trouble with the America Invents Act of 2011 is it is not an Amendment to the Constitution, which it needs to be in order to change the original text of the Constitution which clearly specifies (re: "Inventors") the "first to invent" system over the "first to file" system. What could go wrong is the first time the first-to-file system is challenged in court it will necessarily be declared unconstitutional.

    11. Re:First-to-file isn't a problem by thirtyfour · · Score: 1

      So if two companies set out to solve a problem and eventually develop the same solution after each investing thousands of man-hours and millions of dollars in R&D, you think that means the invention was obvious? Really?

    12. Re:First-to-file isn't a problem by WillerZ · · Score: 1

      The only trouble with the America Invents Act of 2011 is it is not an Amendment to the Constitution, which it needs to be in order to change the original text of the Constitution which clearly specifies (re: "Inventors") the "first to invent" system over the "first to file" system.

      No it doesn't. It specifies that the rights over their discoveries shall go to the Inventors but it nowhere specifies the process that inventors shall be required to undergo to secure those rights.

      Under first-to-file as it is practiced elsewhere it is still illegal for anyone other than the inventor to secure a patent on a discovery. It is really a very minor change which only makes a difference in the case of near-contemporaneous discoveries. It mostly benefits accidental inventors who are less likely to be able to provide any evidence for the date of invention than the industrial-scale patent-generators who receive most patents.

      A secondary effect which may turn out to be rather more important is that the current US system requires that you file within 1 year of the discovery or never file for patent protection; so an invention cannot be kept a trade-secret and used for 40 years before being patented by that same person/corporation when they feel there is a risk of someone else working it out, effectively securing them a 65-year monopoly. First-to-file elsewhere generally allows this; I am not familiar with the US statute in question.

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    13. Re:First-to-file isn't a problem by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      You appear to inhabit a different dimension to mine, for in mine, first to invent seems to most benefit big, rich corporations. Are you arguing that the current system is NOT broken? Are you arguing that 'first to file' as used everywhere else in the world is better than 'first to invent'? The evidence for this is?

      I think he was arguing (at least I would argue) that the current system is broken, and the changes that will be implemented will have the effect of making it far MORE broken. So it's not like it works fine now, just that it can (and will) get worse.

      Hey, at least under first-to-invent, a smaller company that invented has first-to-invent as a defense if it is sued. At least you could bring up prior art. Now there is nothing, nothing stopping the big corporations from getting everything they want, all the time.

    14. Re:First-to-file isn't a problem by Drishmung · · Score: 1

      Hey, at least under first-to-invent, a smaller company that invented has first-to-invent as a defense if it is sued. At least you could bring up prior art. Now there is nothing, nothing stopping the big corporations from getting everything they want, all the time.

      Prior Art still exists. That has not changed at all.

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    15. Re:First-to-file isn't a problem by redlemming · · Score: 1

      Huh. I would have thought the only thing to do in that case is to reject the patent as obvious to someone skilled in the art. But I guess that's just me.

      And how would this policy make more money for patent lawyers or provide better job security for the folks making decisions at the patent office than the current one?

    16. Re:First-to-file isn't a problem by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      You are right, after seeing the other explanations, I retract my statement.

  4. This is old stuff by cvtan · · Score: 1

    I remember doing this in Excel ten years ago to make semiconductor device wafer maps and crude gray-scale images. You change the color palette to add more gray levels and then use conditional formatting to color the cells. Ta Da! An image! A patent on a fancier version of this is obvious so there should be no patent. Pfft!

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  5. I already "invented" this in 2005 by localman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When I was working on internal sales tools for a company that sold shoes, I created a heat map of their sizing grid: I colored each data cell a lighter or darker shade depending on the sales number in that cell. It was so exciting and original that I think a couple people said "thanks, that's neat" before we moved on.

    How the hell did this get patented, and how can I submit my prior art to invalidate it?

    We've been experiencing this corruption of the patent system for over a decade now. It costs our nation millions and millions of dollars. Is there any serious effort to fix it?

    1. Re:I already "invented" this in 2005 by EmagGeek · · Score: 1

      I have you beat by four years. In 2001, as part of my Master's research, I was plotting power supply efficiency against two variables, using different colors to represent different efficiency values. Sorry, patent is really OURSES!

    2. Re:I already "invented" this in 2005 by qweqazqsc · · Score: 1

      Why do you automatically assume it was corruption?

      More than likely, it was just a poor job by some junior examiner.

      I never understand why people are so surprised that the PTO screws up so often. They are a giant bureaucracy that has to handle a really complex job.

    3. Re:I already "invented" this in 2005 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Conditional formatting - the feature this is patent is discussing - was released in Office '97.

    4. Re:I already "invented" this in 2005 by belgianguy · · Score: 1

      www.askpatents.com seems to be your best shot at getting Prior Art visible to the shamefully incompetent USPTO. They pay their employees peanuts in comparison to this thievery and have them stamp away at anything really, creating IP worth millions in lawsuits and fees from almost nothing. And they expect the system to correct their mistakes instead of fool-proofing or advancing their own methods.

  6. Re:Pillage and Plunder! by viperidaenz · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    If you don't like it, move to another country.

    Oh wait, the rest of the world already does it that way.

  7. Poster is a moron who doesn't understand Patents by CajunArson · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is Slashdot where every grandmother who can't write her own kernel drivers is considered sub-human scum but where IT geeks who barely made it through community college consider themselves experts on patent law.

    Once and for all: First to file only applies when two different parties each file a patent application that covers the same subject matter within a short time period of each other (less than one year for all effective purposes in the U.S.

      First to file does *NOT* change the rules on prior art and actually makes it *harder* to overcome prior art because there is no longer an ability to swear behind the filing date of the patent.

      Other countries including Europe (you know, that magical perfect continent where nothing bad ever happens because it isn't the U.S. and that we should all just try to be like?) ALREADY USE FIRST TO FILE.

    I haven't read the patent in question (but then again neither has the poster with a trained eye), but just because Microsoft is doing something that has some similarity to an existing mapping technique does NOT mean that Microsoft's technique is the same!

    In much the same way that engines for cars already exist, it is perfectly possible to get a patent on an improvement to an engine even though engines existing all the way back in 1846!

    Now please return to the standard recycled bigotry that passes for discussion on this site these days.

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  8. Re:Pillage and Plunder! by DM9290 · · Score: 1

    If you don't like it, move to another country.

    just boycott american products.

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  9. Your strawman is on fire by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

    Other countries including Europe (you know, that magical perfect continent where nothing bad ever happens because it isn't the U.S. and that we should all just try to be like?) ALREADY USE FIRST TO FILE.

    Whose ever said that Europe was magical that way? Certainly, some people have said some aspects of the European patent system (specifically, the fact that it doesn't recognize software patents) are superior, but that's pretty far from saying it is "magical" or "nothing bad ever happens", even in the narrow domain of the patent system.

  10. Why first to file crap in summary by bloodhawk · · Score: 5, Informative

    Why bring up first to file in the summary? it is completely irrelevant, first to file doesn't mean prior art is ignored or that you can just go patent someone else's ideas. It merely means if 2 people/organisations are working in secret on their invention then it is whoever patents it first that gets the patent not whoever can spend huge amounts of lawyers and paperwork to try and show they had the idea 5 minutes before the other person.

    1. Re:Why first to file crap in summary by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      If anything, the current system is broken in that someone willing to spend enough and lie, could file every patent the day after it was filed and claim they invented it first, but didn't file it earlier.

      With first to file, you are incented to file as soon as you can, not to wait for anything, as someone could file for something similar or overlapping before you, and you don't get the patent. Incenting early filing is what it's supposed to be doing.

  11. Absolutely ridiculous by abhi2012 · · Score: 1

    This is like patenting the layout of a chess board. Absolutely ridiculous!

  12. This is absolutely ridiculous by dread · · Score: 1

    1: There is a ton of prior art in general
    2: There is a ton of prior art for Excel specifically

    Exhibit a) Microcharts from Bonavista Systems, released in 2006 or even earlier (http://www.juiceanalytics.com/writing/microcharts-a-different-take-on-excel-charting/)
    Exhibit b) EVERY OTHER BI TOOL IN THE UNIVERSE

    How incredibly incompetent are the people at the Patent Office? There is a mandated discovery process after all. What the hell is going on?

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  13. FTF : I win by Fuzzums · · Score: 1

    As inventor, life gets more interesting. Just publish your inventions.
    If somebody files a patent that involves your invention, tell them you want your share of the money or you'll have their patent invalidated by prior art.

    Oh, and tell them win-win and Ying Yang as well :)

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  14. Fuck the patent office by AndyKron · · Score: 1

    Ya, Fuck the patent office.

  15. Re:Prior art by cvtan · · Score: 1

    Isn't this exactly a false color image like the IR imaging folks do all the time? Or a colored map showing rainfall levels or...etc. etc. etc.

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  16. Re:First to file -- horrific rip-off from Open Sou by Alain+Williams · · Score: 1

    As soon as the first to file system goes in place, it will be the end of line for all Open Source projects,

    It should not, if something is released Open Source then that will count as ''publication'', ie demonstrable prior art; thus anything that comes after that should not be patentable. The problem is in ''should not'', the patent examiners don't have enough time (and finding something in some Open Source bit of code will take a looong time) and I believe that the patent office is paid by patents granted - so has motivation to grant patents and let people battle it out in court; but court is do stupidly expensive.

  17. Hey, what could go wrong? by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

    Nothing. It is "first inventor to file". Under the present system if two inventors file for a patent on the same invention the one who invented first gets the patent: the order of filing is irrelevant (provided it was "timely" and the inventor "diligent"). Under the new system if two inventors file for a patent on the same invention the one who filed first gets the patent: the order of invention is irrelevant. Thus there will be no more lawsuits in which inventors strive to convince the court that they thought the widget up first and then worked diligently to reduce it to practice right up to the date they filed and therefor deserve the patent even though the other guy filed first. However, you still must be prepared to prove that you invented it independently.

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  18. Re:so what by oxdas · · Score: 1

    Apparently it isn't just computer nerds. Appeals court judges and Economics professors also believe our industry is "special" and patents are failing the industry.

    http://www.becker-posner-blog.com/2012/09/do-patent-and-copyright-law-restrict-competition-and-creativity-excessively-posner.html

  19. Pixmap by lahvak · · Score: 1

    Hm, seems to me like they reinvented pixmap.

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  20. Idea! by evenmoreconfused · · Score: 1

    At the risk of giving away a possibly lucrative idea, my plan is to patent the use of a gavel to bring order to courtrooms. Hopefully, this will allow me to collect royalties for every day of all the various trials I have to attend defending my patent: the more they fight, the more they pay.

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  21. In bed by goombah99 · · Score: 1

    This is like the secret fortune cookie decoder. add "in bed" after the phrase. Always works. IN this case it's take any known thing and add "using a computer".

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  22. Why the need to be first in the first place? by aNonnyMouseCowered · · Score: 2

    "...they had the idea 5 minutes before the other person."

    And that is what needs to be fixed in the patent system, short of abolishing altogether. Why do patents have to winner-takes-all when the historical record is full of examples of parallel inventions and discoveries, like the wheel, caculus or the theory of evolution? Why can't patents be awarded like the winners of sports competiton or American Idol, where even those who didn't place first gets a diminishing share of the prize money?

    1. Re:Why the need to be first in the first place? by Theaetetus · · Score: 1

      "...they had the idea 5 minutes before the other person."

      And that is what needs to be fixed in the patent system, short of abolishing altogether. Why do patents have to winner-takes-all when the historical record is full of examples of parallel inventions and discoveries, like the wheel, caculus or the theory of evolution? Why can't patents be awarded like the winners of sports competiton or American Idol, where even those who didn't place first gets a diminishing share of the prize money?

      Because patents aren't an award or reward for winning a competition. You're thinking Nobel prizes. Patents are a temporary monopoly granted in exchange for an inventor disclosing their invention. Once it's disclosed, we don't care about any other inventors, because the public now has access to it (which is also why you can't disclose an invention publicly, and then get a patent on it later, after the one year grace period). So, only the first to file gets the monopoly.

    2. Re:Why the need to be first in the first place? by aNonnyMouseCowered · · Score: 1

      That part about "disclosing" would eliminate a whole lot of patents. What do you need to disclose about an Apple-style design patent?

      This also doesn't eliminate the OP's comment about inventions made "5 minutes before the other person". Let's say, I invented Gadget X while Inventor Y has a pending, unprocessed patent application for it. If inventor Y's patent is eventually approved, I now have to license Gadget X from him despite the fact that I didn't benefit from any of his disclosure.

  23. Re:Pillage and Plunder! by Desler · · Score: 2

    You do realize that the whole rest of the world is on a first-to-file system for patents already, right? theodp is an idiot an a troll who doesn't understand what the "first-to-invent" and "first-to-file" part even means. It's about when there are patent applications from two parties for the same idea. It has nothing to do with prior art.

  24. More than the sum of its parts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You seek to mislead.
    First to file *IS* a problem, because you can always make an 'invention' new by differentiating it under appeal, eliminating the prior art.

    e.g. "Choropleth ON A COMPUTER" and if that's been patented, "Choropleth on a COMPUTER WITH WINDOWING OPERATING SYSTEM", and if that's been patented, "Choropleth on a COMPUTER RUNNING A SPREADSHEET IN A WINDOWING OS"

    None of these can be blocked by the Choropleth.

    Also the patent office can't consider trade secrets during development, so the patent system favors the vague early patent not the person actually making a working invention who then patents the finished *working* invention.

    So you can look at what's being developed in the world right now: computer vision, and slap in a load of vague patents covering those: "Computer vision used to identify Train and Buses and show a map of their route on your visor" and bingo you've prevented one use of any future computer vision system without doing any more work than you'd put into a Slashdot post!

    The Supreme court ruled that obviousness requires an invention be "more than the sum of its parts". The Federal Appeal court overturned that, it argued "to prevent hindsight bias" you could patent simple "X on Y" even if X exists and Y exists and X on Y is just X on Y the same as it was on X on Z.

    So prior art is a joke, and the recent change, means the most important prior art (the prior art being made at the time the patent is applied for) is completely ignored.

  25. Stealing ? by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    They are not patenting, so much as stealing.

    I have a deep suspicion that the United States government is actually encouraging the act of stealing by maintaining the patent system.
     
    By filing a patent on a technique somebody had invented some 186 years ago Microsoft (and the United States Government) is essentially telling people to steal as much as they can, before someone else steals it from you.
     
    BTW, has anyone patented the compass yet?
     

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    1. Re:Stealing ? by JasterBobaMereel · · Score: 1

      Can I be first to file on the design of the US patent system then band USPTO from using it?

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    2. Re:Stealing ? by warichter1 · · Score: 1

      BTW, has anyone patented the compass yet?

      Having seen a number of articles on the state (or lack thereof in regards to the patent system), the question becomes how many times has the compass been patented and how many compass manufacturers are forced to pay loyalties to patent trolls on these bogus patents? Would think that by now that patent office should have a database to track patents or if one exists, write a search for duplicate records!

  26. Um... by Tenebrousedge · · Score: 1

    ...American version of Siberia, say North Dakota...

    Hi! I can see Russia from somewhere in the US, and I don't think it's North Dakota.

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  27. Re:Poster is a moron who doesn't understand Patent by Malenx · · Score: 1

    Ah Europe, where everything is so jacked up and tied together that we consider the entire continent a singular country.

  28. Re:First to file == forced to file by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It's a joke; it's pure class warfare. Doesn't matter if you invented it, if you can't afford to patent it, then fuck you.

    AAAAAARRRRRRGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
    So many fucking morons equating first-to-file with the end of the novelty requirement and the death of prior art?

    The ignorance, it burns.

  29. Hello Industrial Espionage by wakeboarder · · Score: 1

    With the patent switch now companies can steal IP and make it theirs. We should just get rid of patents altogether, although the sycophantic lawyers and there money will never let that one fly.

  30. Re:Poster is a moron who doesn't understand Patent by greenbird · · Score: 1

    First to file only applies when two different parties each file a patent application that covers the same subject

    Once and for all: If 2 people file for a patent at the same time it should be taken as pretty strong evidence that it's obvious to someone skilled in the art. So unless you're an idiot that thinks the patent system actually serves some useful purpose as it's currently implemented first to file just makes a bad system worse.

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  31. Re:First to file == forced to file by konekoniku · · Score: 1

    And I don't think he realizes that the EU he wants to move to now adopted the first-to-file system long before the US did....

  32. It's obvious to people WITHOUT ordinary skill... by langelgjm · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There are no technical details that are not obvious to a person having ordinary skill in the art.

    I'm not a programmer. I was a social science major in undergrad. My languages of choice are Perl and Visual Basic for Applications.

    Why do I open myself up to the scorn of the /. community by revealing these facts? Because just this summer, I was about to implement EXACTLY what this patent describes when I was happy to find that the functionality already existed in Microsoft Excel. Thanks, Excel, for saving me some time. You deserve credit for that. But a patent? 20 years of exclusivity?

    If the idea to do this, and the implementation (gee, look at maximums and minimum, set up a color scale or other visual indicator corresponding to certain values) was readily accessible to me (a person WITHOUT ordinary skill in the art), there is no reason this should have been granted a patent.

    As the summary suggests, the claims seem broad enough that some of them (1, 8, and 15) might be invalidated by chloropleth mapping techniques present in GIS software.

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  33. Why didn't you read the patent, then? by langelgjm · · Score: 1

    Seriously, the claims aren't that had to understand, even though they're drafted in legalese that intentionally obscures how trivial the "invention" is.

    Claims 1, 8, and 15 of the patent are broad enough that they very well could capture a chloropleth map. After all, a chloropleth map is really just a bunch of "cells" (regions) that you're assigning visual cues (colors) to based on a value they're associated with.

    Maybe, just maybe, some of the finer dependent claims would meet the threshold of patentability, but the broader claims are obvious to anyone who's done more than dabble in Excel VBA.

    IANAL (thank God), but FWIW I have taken IP law courses at one of the top two law schools in the country.

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  34. Re:Slashdot, please stop!! by redlemming · · Score: 1

    You CAN'T know what the scope of a patent is without reading the claims, and without parsing every word and every piece of punctuation in the claims in order to determine just what features are being claimed. In some cases, you can't know what patent actually covers without reviewing the prosecution history that led up to the final issued version. Seriously. And you can't have any idea about the relevant issues from simply reading the title of a patent and a one-paragraph summary by a person who thinks that, because he or she is a whiz at C++, that he or she can understand patent claim language (assuming that he or she even read the claims, which is unlikely).

    You are completely missing the point here. If, as you describe, someone has to parse the patent document and study it and any associated legal history for weeks or months on end, in order to understand it, then that neccesarily requires a LARGE time commitment.

    If large numbers of patents are being issued, even if those patents represent really new ideas (which most of them don't) then we will end up expecting people to spend not just LARGE amounts of time, but HUGE amounts of time studying patents, as every potentially relevant patent must be studied in excruciating detail and we get a multiplication of the time per patent with the total number of patents. This time, of course, is time that can not be spent developing a person's own ideas.

    Given the number of patents issued in a typical year, it is becoming more and more likely that doing this properly would leave no time left to do anything else! This is an enormously inefficient use of a person's time, and it is inappropriate for government to expect this from people.

    Human time has value, because the human life span is precious, and in fact, far too short for most individuals to get anywhere near their full potential.

    That doesn't stop people from wanting to try to do as much with their lives as possible, and that in turn is why so many people on Slashdot and elsewhere are objecting to the current system.

    The behavior that you are seeing does not reflect ignorance, rather, it reflects an insight into what is actually happening now, and into a dangerous long term trend, that seems to be eluding you.

    Recognition of the value of human time is why human societies (at least those with separation of church and state) treat actions such as kidnapping and murder as crimes -- the persons commiting these crimes are stealing a precious and irreplacable portion of a person's life.

    It is not a legitimate role of government to become a contributor to the very abuses it is supposed to prevent, by acting in a manner that requires people to give up large portions of their lives, or face severe legal and financial consequences, when they are just engaging in things that should be considered reasonable conduct.

    This is stealing a portion of a person's life, just as the kidnapper or murderer does.

    In practice, given what a mess the patent system currently is, we can expect most people doing creative work to simply ignore the whole system, develop their own ideas, and hope that nobody else already patented the very same ideas they came up with on their own! This in turn means that ordinary people have to live in fear of an unreasonable (and in a free country, illegitimate) legal system. The legal system (and those who uphold it) becomes the enemy, instead of being a tool to limit the damage sociopaths can do to others (which is what legal systems should be focusing on). This sort of thing will invariably do tremendous long term harm to society.

  35. Hey... by poofmeisterp · · Score: 1

    Hey, what could go wrong?

    Patent pending on the bonding of proteins to polypeptides for the purpose of amino acid creation and use.