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Seafood Raised on Animal Feces Approved for Consumers
If you are a seafood lover and wish that you could eat more fish raised on pig feces, your dreams are coming true. Due to fierce competition in the Chinese tilapia industry, farmers are increasingly switching to feces instead of commercial feed. From the article: "At Chen Qiang’s tilapia farm in Yangjiang city in China’s Guangdong province, which borders Hong Kong, Chen feeds fish partly with feces from hundreds of pigs and geese. That practice is dangerous for American consumers, says Michael Doyle, director of the University of Georgia’s Center for Food Safety. 'The manure the Chinese use to feed fish is frequently contaminated with microbes like salmonella,' says Doyle, who has studied foodborne diseases in China."
They don't give a fuck. Why do you think all their shit (accidental pun) is so cheap? Whatever it takes to squeeze a nickel even if it means killing some workers or customers.
I swear to God...I swear to God! That is NOT how you treat your human!
Anyone with a dog has probably seen it eat, literally, crap.
Heck, honey is basically bees throwing up for you.
In the real world, animals are messy critters that eat a lot of stuff you would never eat yourself, some of which you would not survive eating.
In the end it's a good reason to wash and cook food properly before eating, but not necessarily something to panic over, even practices that sounds as odd as this.
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...this tuna tastes like pig poo
We can make ourselves resistant to this and other bacteria and viruses. Then we can go back to the old days, and empty our pisspots out in the street and mix it up with the horse shit. It'll make a nice yummy meal and you can wash it down with some great mineral water
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
Don't worry - the free market will work all of this out!
Actually, i don't, providing that we -the consumers- are informed (like we are now), so we -the consumers- can choose if we want feces with our fish (i dont't mind so mutch, but i understand that it's a matter of taste) - way better than a non free market where your only option would be...
Will people please stop shit-talking this revolutionary new system? I mean, I don't give a crap if people act like turds and blame fish for salmonella. These days all people do is dump on new ideas and flush them down the toilet rather than give them a chance. Either we can tuck our turtle heads back into the shell or we can embrace this new technique. Pass the tilapia!
... fish are animals too!
'The manure the Chinese use to feed fish is frequently contaminated with microbes like salmonella,'
Nothing ODD there.
Could this get any more disgusting? Or dangerous?
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
I think the answer to that is a firm Yes!
what do you think those bottom feeding insects of the sea eat in the wild.
They eat nutrient-rich excrement that floats about in the water.
Why do you think that prawns aren't kosher, or halal (which is basically the same thing) for that matter?
Ok, first we had Mad Cow Disease, which proves fatal to humans if you get it. For those too young to remember, it was caused by "enriching" cow feed with ground up sheep offal in order to recicle the waste, increase the protein content of the feed and increase the profit to the farmer. This caused the bugs to get into the cows brains and turn them to mush. Called Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy in the cow flavor, Kreutzfeld-Jakobs syndrome in human flavor, basically turns your brains into a bloody sponge full of holes, then you die inevitably, be it cow or human.
Wait for the upcoming Mad Fish Scare. Just remember every time your MacFish stick or burger tastes like shit.
From the article:
"Ngoc Sinh has been certified as safe by Geneva-based food auditor SGS SA, says Nguyen Trung Thanh, the company’s general director."
"SGS spokeswoman Jennifer Buckley says her company has no record of auditing Ngoc Sinh."
In other words, the article claims that Ngoc Sinh Seafoods Trading & Processing Export Enterprise is using repulsive and unsafe practices, and lying about having been inspected. Bloomberg is accusing them of a crime. The Slashdot headline, on the other hand, converted this into "Approved for Consumers" - accusing a different group, the regulators, which appear to be innocent.
If you've eaten industrial meat, you've eaten something fed by crap (literally or otherwise):
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-greger-md/mad-cow-disease-california_b_1450994.html
http://www.ucsusa.org/food_and_agriculture/science_and_impacts/impacts_industrial_agriculture/they-eat-what-the-reality-of.html
http://www.treehugger.com/health/chickens-fed-caffeine-banned-antibiotics-and-prozac-often-without-the-farmers-knowledge.html
Yummy!
In some parts of China, there are so-called Pig toilets.
This makes for some interesting cycles!
1) Human defecates in pig toilet after eating fish and/or pig.
2) Pig eat human crap and defecates.
2a) Pig gets butchered and sold as food for PROFIT! Go to step 1.
3) Fish eats pig crap.
4) Human eats fish.
5) PROFIT! Go to step 1.
(The use of night soil in China has been omitted for the sake of simplicity.)
Just say they come in "dingleberry sauce", it'll sell.
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How about this? http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2010/03/21/chinese-cooking-oil-made-from-sewage/
Or this: http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2010/05/04/chinese-sewage-celery/
(Note site sidebars and some other articles contain NSFW content)
This kind of thing seems to just be SOP in China.
I went into a restaurant where they serve this. When I red the menu I shouted "bullshit!"
The waiter said "Would madam like a large portion or a small one?"
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Tilapia is just fish for people who don't like fish.
It is bland, with hardly any taste. I prefer fish that actually tastes like, you know, fish.
Feeding tilapia manure will probably increase its flavour.
This makes me think $15/lb for local cod at Whole Foods isn't so unreasonable.
after all, mushrooms are raised on horse crap.
And which country outsourced its production to China? Oh wait, American CEO's and shareholders did that for the benefit of their customers and workers.
Nobody forced America to buy crap from China.
MMO Quests are like orgasms:
You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
Our oxygen is plant shit, the co2 is other peoples shit, your vegetables grow on shit, your meat eats shits, you cook it on farts, you walk on shit and some of us consider clothes made from shit to be the height of luxury.
It is a shitty world and it worse for those who believe in homeopathy.Water has memory? Oh good, so does it remember having been pissed out billions of times over the lifetime of the earth? And if water has memory, why doesn't it remember the time it was beer!
MMO Quests are like orgasms:
You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
That practice is dangerous for American consumers
but the rest of you can go fuck yourselves ;)
systemd is Roko's Basilisk.
And? You haven't been in the countryside for a while, or did everyone in the US switch to artificial fertilizers to grow seeds and such?
A few years ago on a whim I bought some generic branded local supermarket Stop & Shop seafood and came up with an upper body skin rash for a month. Later looked at the label and the stuff was made in China. Later found that there was a bunch of seafood enriched with some kind of a protein additive causing such bad allergic reactions to people that show up as an upper body skin rash just like I had. I had and still have no seafood allergies at the time and ate and still eat tons of seafood at restaurants weekly and sushi of all kinds, never have any bad results.
Last few weeks I tried to expand my home diet to include more seafood and looked at my new super market chain called Kroger and found that all of their generic fish was imported from China, including freezers full of tilapia and other fish. I could not find any non-generic seafood in this store that wasn't from China. Decided not to buy any this time around after I learned my lesson the last time. I had to travel to their competitor HEB to find some non-Chinese seafood and luckily found some Alaskan salmon at a hefty price.
I wish America would get it's shit together and wake the fuck up and stop importing food from China because of the horrible abuses of the environment that that country is perpetrating in the name of capitalism and profit and complete disregard for environmental and human safety as long as their shit infested products sell.
China will cut its own dick off in the name of profit and sell it to anyone willing to buy a small fried spring roll.
Considering they already make oil from sewer waste... adding more crap to their table won't change much.
Now they are copying US regulator practice.
While Prawns are not Kosher according to Jewish Dietary laws (something about shell fish not having horns?...I dunno, anybody wanna clarify?), *ALL* seafood, (from prawns to sharks to sea cucumbers and what-have-you) is deemed Halal according to Islamic Dietary laws; heck the laws are *staked* in favour of sea food vs land meat; no ritual regarding sacrifice, no restrictions either. I can go to any fish serving place and eat their produce, no questions asked.
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To human knowledge, Mad Cow disease (prions) is pretty unique. It is stable at hundreds of degrees. For everything else, boiling water will kill it. Our ancestors used fire for a reason instead of eating everything raw.
Your seafood's always been eating fish shit. Your vegetables are grown in shit. I'm sorry this is a shock to people.
"dangerous for American consumers"
Was this deliberate? Why "American consumers" and not just "consumers"?
I've said for a long time, that the 'nanny states' (my own, UK, but including to an extent the US and many other so-called "first world" countries) are breeding a population that is BOUND to get seriously hit, eventually, with some fairly innocuous disease. The regulation and utter paranoia and fud in the food industry lends itself to only one thing - a population that's completely lost it's immunity to such diseases.
Ask yourself - why a brit in Africa could likely go blind, or worse, drinking tapwater while the locals drink it with impunity. Ask yourself why a brit (substitute any aforementioned nanny state here) spends the first week of his exotic holiday eating imodium and sitting on the shitter, if he's not careful what he eats and drinks.
Your immunity is being seriously compromised by your own governments, people. Your government sponsored paranoia over germs and bacteria could kill you one day, for the opposite reasons you think.
Use part of the waste stream to make biogas.
Use this to pastuerise the rest before feeding.
I won't eat seafood. I refuse to eat anything that swims in it's own bathroom.
ESAD. :)
I once worked for a guy who had "ESAD" printed in the lower left of his business card (he had, you might say... anger issues). Had to ask him what it meant, he told me, but that he tells his customers that it's an acronym for, "Excellent Service And Dependability". But that's not what you meant, huh? :-)
You obviously suffer from some kind of U.S. envy.
I saw an episode of Dirty Jobs where Mike worked at a fish farm.
It was a 'green' (brown?) part of the relatively-closed process that the last step in in the chain was Tilapia that ate the waste of all the other fish and then were sold for food.
They were quite proud of it, actually.
-Styopa
It's possible that there are specific problems in this case (someone else on the thread mentioned liver flukes being a danger), but the general "oh no, they're growing things with shit!" reaction is silly. People who buy organic produce pay a premium to have their food grown using shit, a.k.a. "natural fertilizers." Either it's the more obvious kind (farm animal or similar manure), or it's compost -- which is just worm and bacteria manure from digesting plant matter, mixed with the bits that didn't get eaten.
Heck, alcohol is basically the waste product of yeast cells digesting sugars.
Again, I'm taking issue with the overall "eww" reaction, not this specific instance. I don't want feces in my food directly, but whenever we eat something that was alive, feces was consumed somewhere along its food chain. I don't want to eat rotting carrion, either, but the vegetables I ate today probably drew nourishment from a little bit of it, even if it was only dead earthworms or insects.
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...but I'll pass on it now.
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"Fishmeal can be made from almost any type of seafood but is generally manufactured from wild-caught, small marine fish that contain a high percentage of bones and oil, and is usually deemed not suitable for direct human consumption. The fish caught for fishmeal purposes solely are termed “industrial”.[3]
It is the reason why commercially raised fish, and Vietnam raised commercial fisheries in particular, have been called unsustainable by environmentalists. They have been using extremely fine nets which catch everything, mashing it up into fish-meal, which if commercialized broadly would make the oceans a bigger desert. While we are right to have concerns about this, "recycling" is actually always better than "mining", and reusing lost protein in excrement is better than catching smaller and smaller "fishmeal" from nature.
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Seafood Raised on Animal Feces Approved for Consumers
How dare they feed this shit to fish. If this shit was approved for consumers, then we consumers should get to eat it, not some lousy fish! I expect PETA is behind this making sure the carp get the crap instead of us!
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You better stop eating vegetables too, then. They subsist on a steady diet of shit.
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the Chinese assure us that it "tastes like chicken."
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First thing that comes to mind is South Park.
Corporations try to sell ship. The solution isn't to legislate the corporation, but to simply not buy their shit.
Read the labels on the box, especially if it's the cheapest shit in the store. There's a reason that shit is cheap!
You've eaten Talipilia? What do you think they eat? Yep,SHIT! Nothing new under the waves
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I have one word to add this conversation: manure.
manure (noun): material that fertilizes land; especially refuse of stables and barnyards consisting of livestock EXCRETA* with or without litter.
*i.e.: cow sh*t.
You can eat raw steer manure and live. (Well, at my farm you could, I would hesitate about CAFO waste.) Bird shit is chock-full of dangerous pathogens, you don't want the chicken coop anywhere near where the other critters live. Fresh air, sunlight, and happy composting organisms are used to convert nasty poop back into wholesome dirt that will grow safe edible food. Always wash your hands after you touch a bird. Wetlands- nasty, stinky swamps, are where water gets cleansed of pathogens and purified so that normal fish can live in it. Tilapia can live in warm, nasty water, but it would make them unsafe to eat.
They feared that it could be used to suppress protest or support unpopular rule.
Does your local Wal-Mart store have badges on the bags of frozen tilapia that says which ones were raised on shit and which ones weren't?
Amazing how people are apparently ignorant of how biology works.
100% of your food grows from recycled feces. What the heck did you think happens to fecal matter after it's excreted; you think it is put on a rocket and shot to Aldebaran? This is the ecological cycle; input goes to output which is recycled back into the organic chain.
Water too (or whatever it is you drink): It's all been cycled through the bladders of countless animals.
You want only carbon that has never passed through the digestive tract of an animal? Move to a different planet.
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Worried about bugs in your seafood? COOK IT PROPERLY and you don't have any worries.
Get real folks, EVERYTHING that lives lives on shit, directly or indirectly. That's why cooking over fire was such a revolutionary breakthrough a couple of tens of thousands of years ago. Ate any mushrooms lately? I have news for you....
All the fungi that I am aware of (I am not a mycologist) are very specific about the medium that they will grow in. Certain types of dead wood, certain types of manure, &c. I am not aware of any edible fungus which is harvested from avian feces. Please cite.
I do prefer to wipe the horse manure from the mushrooms I put on my pizza, though many don't bother.
They feared that it could be used to suppress protest or support unpopular rule.
Dead alligator bits. Old turtles. Vulture feces (It was bad going in!). Pig feces would be an improvement.
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I remember a Dirty Jobs episode where Mike Rowe was at a fish farm that recycled their water.
They used tilapia/carp to eat the poop.
Here's a clip of the show on youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGoR4dbE1os
Regardless, stay away from fish harvested by Chinese. They are either grown in poorly maintained farms, or fished from endangered parts of the ocean where fisheries are nearly depleted.
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Corrected that for you. It's already understood that feces come from animals, last time I checked.
I lost my appetite for imported Chinese products long ago.
OTOH http://news.discovery.com/human/cow-dung-medicine-spiritual-india.html, tastes vary.
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They feared that it could be used to suppress protest or support unpopular rule.
I thought people (Americans, even) had been eating catfish for centuries...
Well that settles it, I'm going vegetarian. Oh wait.... (Clearly there are not a lot of farmers on /.)
I didn't realize that tilapia were reaise in a sea, I didn't realize that china had an inland sea, so there is more that pig fesces in this feed, maybe bull** as well
Fucking idiot.
Your lovely so-called "free market" is hideously imbalanced in favor of those with wealth and thus power.
and die!
1) Integrated aquaculture is a very old concept. Combining livestock with fish rearing has been in practice for hundreds of years in South and South-East asia. 2) Tilapia is not seafood.
Correct me if I'm wrong - doesn't American law require labeling of where the fish is packed, not where it is caught/grown?
Dogs are stupid. Cats and pigs don't eat their own shit.
I would say the ability and willpower to be able to eat your own feces makes them superior to you or I. After all, if they can do so without consequence it's one more thing they can eat that you cannot (although usually it's not their own shit they are eating).
Honey is quite safe - some people actually use it as an antibiotic on cuts.
Of course it's safe, it's just the manner in which it is produced many would find disgusting and some would probably stop eating honey if they knew - despite as you say Honey being one of the safer things to eat.
Why not just point out that alcohol is yeast-piss?
I would have had I remembered that.
We grow crops with shit too
Exactly, thanks for the support. These all reinforce my main point that there is often a disgusting element to the many foods we eat, yet people continue to consume them. Fish eating manure is no different.
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Tilapia in the US are commonly raised in tanks with other fish specifically because tilapia are happy to consume the waste of other fish species. This reduces the load on on the filtration systems used.
You better stop eating vegetables too, then. They subsist on a steady diet of shit.
But they don't ingest it, which makes a huge difference.
You aren't going to slice open a tomato and find actual manure in it. Pathogens found in manure, and in the guts and bloodstreams of animals fed manure, are less likely to survive the process of their original host being synthesized in to vegetable matter.
Comparing manure used to fertilize plants and manure fed to animals is specious.
Yeah, I get that it is "icky" but really what is the issue here. Sure it has salmonella but I was under the impression that raw shellfish had that anyways. Its not like shellfish doesn't already eat the shit off of the bottom of the ocean/bays.
People want their shellfish, people want their shellfish cheap, well someone found a way to make it on the cheap. I will continue to eat it, I will just make sure to pay more attention to preparation.
You can eat raw steer manure and live. (Well, at my farm you could, I would hesitate about CAFO waste.) Bird shit is chock-full of dangerous pathogens, you don't want the chicken coop anywhere near where the other critters live. Fresh air, sunlight, and happy composting organisms are used to convert nasty poop back into wholesome dirt that will grow safe edible food. Always wash your hands after you touch a bird. Wetlands- nasty, stinky swamps, are where water gets cleansed of pathogens and purified so that normal fish can live in it. Tilapia can live in warm, nasty water, but it would make them unsafe to eat.
This is seriously, dangerously, wrong. With a background in microbiology, I can assure you that there are all sorts of really nasty human pathogens that can colonize the bovine digestive tract without bothering the cow much. The prime example that comes to mind is enterohemorrhagic E. coli, which you really, really, don't want. Oh, and by the way, it has an infectious dose as little as one organism, versus tens of thousands for something like Salmonella. Don't eat cow shit.
Seller: come and get your fish & shit?
customer: I'll take one... wait! what did you say?
Seller: don't worry, you will get fries with that
customer: Oh, ok. I thought you said something else
Why not take those talapia and use them to feed the hogs? Fish flower could be used to create chicken feed as well. It does tend to take care the the pig waste lagoon problem.
Not only is the shit contaminated with disease causing microbes, it is also contaminated with shit.
But it's American corporations that just can't wait to shove this shit down our throats.
And if you don't think they've already shoved plenty of similar shit down our throats, you hav enot ben paying attention.
We have the most adulterated food supply in the world here in the US. We don't even have the most basic right, to know everything that's IN the food we buy. Our labeling laws have given the US food industry unprecedented control over our lives and health.
It's time American consumers demanded full food disclosure. The dirty little secret of the food industry needs to be told.